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    Supreme Court Ruling Exempt or Non Exempt

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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2018 - 8:59 PM ET #1

    So when you bring your car into a dealership to have warranty work or a part replaced you most likely first meet with a service adviser who generates the paperwork to get the ball rolling.

    The court ruled 5 to 4 that these advisers are actually"salespeople" & are exempt from overtime pay requirements. This impacts over 18,000 dealerships nationwide.

    Judge Clarence Thomas wrote "the ordinary meaning of "salesman" is someone who sells goods/services & that service advisers "do precisely that."

    Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote that "because service advisers "neither sell nor repair automobiles" they should not be exempt from overtime payments." 

    What say you? Exempt or non exempt? 
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    So when you bring your car into a dealership to have warranty work or a part replaced you most likely first meet with a service adviser who generates the paperwork to get the ball rolling.

    The court ruled 5 to 4 that these advisers are actually"salespeople" & are exempt from overtime pay requirements. This impacts over 18,000 dealerships nationwide.

    Judge Clarence Thomas wrote "the ordinary meaning of "salesman" is someone who sells goods/services & that service advisers "do precisely that."

    Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote that "because service advisers "neither sell nor repair automobiles" they should not be exempt from overtime payments." 

    What say you? Exempt or non exempt? 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2018 - 9:47 PM ET #2

    Depends. Do they work on commission? Are they required to work extended hours or is it a choice?
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    Depends. Do they work on commission? Are they required to work extended hours or is it a choice?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2018 - 10:05 PM ET #3

    Ask Scalia about what is reality about this... 

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    Ask Scalia about what is reality about this... 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2018 - 10:09 PM ET #4

    Ginsburg has obviously never taken a car to a dealership.  The job of a service advisor is precisely to sell or up sell you more goods and services.  I only use a dealership for recall purposes exactly for that reason.
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    Ginsburg has obviously never taken a car to a dealership.  The job of a service advisor is precisely to sell or up sell you more goods and services.  I only use a dealership for recall purposes exactly for that reason.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2018 - 10:15 PM ET #5

    I'll agree with Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg ..they are advisors not salesmen..

    The primary mission of a service advisor is to ensure that every customer is driving a safe and reliable vehicle.


    The job duties of an Auto Service Advisor may include: Greeting customers and scheduling service appointments. ... Writing service orders and descriptions of problems and repairs. Translating customers' repair problems into standard repair terminology. Explaining repairs to customers.

    Their mission has absolutely nothing to do with selling a customer something ............
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    I'll agree with Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg ..they are advisors not salesmen..

    The primary mission of a service advisor is to ensure that every customer is driving a safe and reliable vehicle.


    The job duties of an Auto Service Advisor may include: Greeting customers and scheduling service appointments. ... Writing service orders and descriptions of problems and repairs. Translating customers' repair problems into standard repair terminology. Explaining repairs to customers.

    Their mission has absolutely nothing to do with selling a customer something ............
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2018 - 10:24 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    I'll agree with Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg ..they are advisors not salesmen..

    The primary mission of a service advisor is to ensure that every customer is driving a safe and reliable vehicle.


    The job duties of an Auto Service Advisor may include: Greeting customers and scheduling service appointments. ... Writing service orders and descriptions of problems and repairs. Translating customers' repair problems into standard repair terminology. Explaining repairs to customers.

    Their mission has absolutely nothing to do with selling a customer something .....e.......

    Not true at the 3 dealerships I have used lately.  Chevrolet, Audi and Subaru dealerships in my town operate the same way.  When I need a vehicle repaired I want to talk to the mechanic, not a “service advisor”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    I'll agree with Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg ..they are advisors not salesmen..

    The primary mission of a service advisor is to ensure that every customer is driving a safe and reliable vehicle.


    The job duties of an Auto Service Advisor may include: Greeting customers and scheduling service appointments. ... Writing service orders and descriptions of problems and repairs. Translating customers' repair problems into standard repair terminology. Explaining repairs to customers.

    Their mission has absolutely nothing to do with selling a customer something .....e.......

    Not true at the 3 dealerships I have used lately.  Chevrolet, Audi and Subaru dealerships in my town operate the same way.  When I need a vehicle repaired I want to talk to the mechanic, not a “service advisor”.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2018 - 10:31 PM ET #7

    The ones at the Supreme Court level have to sell them selves to approval papas the unts are muted by their actions in Vegas guess they are the seventh grade in their thinking... they face the mortality their bodies were promised... and no conjuring of a bank ( Ruth’s own words) will save em 

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    The ones at the Supreme Court level have to sell them selves to approval papas the unts are muted by their actions in Vegas guess they are the seventh grade in their thinking... they face the mortality their bodies were promised... and no conjuring of a bank ( Ruth’s own words) will save em 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2018 - 10:48 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    Not true at the 3 dealerships I have used lately.  Chevrolet, Audi and Subaru dealerships in my town operate the same way.  When I need a vehicle repaired I want to talk to the mechanic, not a “service advisor”.


     Probably because of the foreign influence ..with Germany and Japan and GM becoming China Motors ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    Not true at the 3 dealerships I have used lately.  Chevrolet, Audi and Subaru dealerships in my town operate the same way.  When I need a vehicle repaired I want to talk to the mechanic, not a “service advisor”.


     Probably because of the foreign influence ..with Germany and Japan and GM becoming China Motors ..
     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2018 - 12:31 PM ET #9

    I've always thought that when the service adviser reminds me that  I'm due for an oil change, he's providing me service & not selling me something.

    Similarly when my doctor says let's take a blood test. He's not selling me anything but rather looking out for my well being. 
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    I've always thought that when the service adviser reminds me that  I'm due for an oil change, he's providing me service & not selling me something.

    Similarly when my doctor says let's take a blood test. He's not selling me anything but rather looking out for my well being. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    I've always thought that when the service adviser reminds me that  I'm due for an oil change, he's providing me service & not selling me something.

    Similarly when my doctor says let's take a blood test. He's not selling me anything but rather looking out for my well being. 

    Let’s try an example........ (I have more if needed)

    Take my Suburban into the Chevy dealership for some recall work on some wiring.  When I return the “service advisor/salesman” proceeds to tell me my steering linkage is shot and would I like them to fix it.  I politely tell him no I will deal with it later.  I drive right over to my mechanic and have him put it on the rack and tell me if this needs to be fixed.  The answer was no and I drove that Suburban without changing it for 70k more miles before I traded it in.  They earn a commission on the sell and up sell and if not they should find a new dealership to work for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    I've always thought that when the service adviser reminds me that  I'm due for an oil change, he's providing me service & not selling me something.

    Similarly when my doctor says let's take a blood test. He's not selling me anything but rather looking out for my well being. 

    Let’s try an example........ (I have more if needed)

    Take my Suburban into the Chevy dealership for some recall work on some wiring.  When I return the “service advisor/salesman” proceeds to tell me my steering linkage is shot and would I like them to fix it.  I politely tell him no I will deal with it later.  I drive right over to my mechanic and have him put it on the rack and tell me if this needs to be fixed.  The answer was no and I drove that Suburban without changing it for 70k more miles before I traded it in.  They earn a commission on the sell and up sell and if not they should find a new dealership to work for.
     
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    What that dude did was deceitful & I would have ripped him a new one.

    I'd also bring it to a different dealership for future recalls.

    I'd also let the Chevy headquarters know about the incident. Some organizations still do care about their customers because they know one unhappy customer tells 10 others who tell 10 others.

    Also found it interesting that the justices voted right down party lines.
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    What that dude did was deceitful & I would have ripped him a new one.

    I'd also bring it to a different dealership for future recalls.

    I'd also let the Chevy headquarters know about the incident. Some organizations still do care about their customers because they know one unhappy customer tells 10 others who tell 10 others.

    Also found it interesting that the justices voted right down party lines.
     
     
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    A buddy of mine worked at the local Subaru dealership here.  He was the head mechanic and had been with them for 18 years.  New owner came in and wanted more money churned from the service dept.  He refused and quit.

    Dealerships make the bulk of their money on service.  Remember the 3k mile oil change?  Unless you drive in horrible conditions or use garbage oil you are wasting money changing it every 3k.  I use synthetic in all my vehicles and go 5-7k depending on conditions.

    Here’s another scam.  The 30, 60 and 100k checkups and the check engine light would come on?  They will tell you all the things that should be replaced even if nothing is wrong. They use the “manufacturer recommended” line of crap.  You know the old saying “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”.

    It is the job of the service advisor/salesman to churn sales.  That’s what they get paid to do as annoying as it is.
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    A buddy of mine worked at the local Subaru dealership here.  He was the head mechanic and had been with them for 18 years.  New owner came in and wanted more money churned from the service dept.  He refused and quit.

    Dealerships make the bulk of their money on service.  Remember the 3k mile oil change?  Unless you drive in horrible conditions or use garbage oil you are wasting money changing it every 3k.  I use synthetic in all my vehicles and go 5-7k depending on conditions.

    Here’s another scam.  The 30, 60 and 100k checkups and the check engine light would come on?  They will tell you all the things that should be replaced even if nothing is wrong. They use the “manufacturer recommended” line of crap.  You know the old saying “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”.

    It is the job of the service advisor/salesman to churn sales.  That’s what they get paid to do as annoying as it is.
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