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    LY 25 years after the defeat of the Equal Rights Amendment, feminists and their political supporters, who now control Congress, are back at it. Last month, the constitutional measure, now dubbed the Women's Equality Amendment, was reintroduced in the Senate and House, and its prospects, according to one advocate, "are better now than they have been in a very, very long time."

    But ERA Retro is doomed.

    The amendment, which was born around the time that women were given the right to vote, was first introduced in Congress in 1923. For nearly 50 years, all subsequent Congresses had the good judgment to leave it buried in committee.

    In 1971, the women's liberation movement burst on the scene and became the darling of the media. Its leaders demanded a gender-neutral society in which men and women would be treated exactly the same, no matter how reasonable it might be to respect differences between them. The amendment, which states that "equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex," was the chosen vehicle to achieve this goal.

    A radical feminist organization called the National Organization for Women stormed the halls of Congress and forced a vote on the Equal Rights Amendment. Only 24 members in the House, and eight in the Senate, voted against it. On March 22, 1972, Congress sent the amendment to the states, which had seven years to ratify it.

    The Equal Rights Amendment had a righteous name and incredible momentum. Who would oppose equal rights for women and men? Support was bipartisan, with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and then-Alabama Gov. George Wallace among its endorsers. Three presidents — Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter — signed on. Within the first year, 30 of the 38 states needed for ratification passed it, many without holding a hearing on the legislation. The Equal Rights Amendment was actively supported by most of the pushy women's organizations, a consortium of 33 women's magazines, numerous Hollywood celebrities and virtually all the media.

    The opposition was totally outmanned. We had no Rush Limbaughs, no Fox News, no "no-spin zone" to challenge the need for the amendment. We had no Internet, no e-mail, no fax machines to help rally an opposition.

    But the Equal Rights Amendment was rejected. We kicked off our Stop ERA campaign, launched in February 1972, with an article I wrote: "What's Wrong with Equal Rights for Women?" Over the next 10 years, nearly 100 issues of my Phyllis Schlafly Report were devoted to exposing the bad effects of the amendment.

    While claiming to benefit women, the ERA would actually have taken away some of women's rights. We based our arguments on the writings of pro-ERA law professors, among them current Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The amendment would require women to be drafted into military combat any time men were conscripted, abolish the presumption that the husband should support his wife and take away Social Security benefits for wives and widows. It would also give federal courts and the federal government enormous new powers to reinterpret every law that makes a distinction based on gender, such as those related to marriage, divorce and alimony.

    Throughout the 1970s, we presented legislators with our arguments. I testified at 41 state hearings. Meanwhile, the pro-amendment crowd could not show how the ERA would confer any benefit on women, not even in employment, because employment laws were already gender-neutral.

    In 1977, ERA advocates realized that they were approaching the seven-year time limit three states short of the 38 needed for ratification, so they persuaded Congress to give them $5 million to stage a conference, called International Women's Year, in Houston. The conference featured virtually every known feminist leader and received massive media coverage. But it backfired. When conference delegates voted for taxpayer funding of abortions and the entire gay rights agenda, Americans discovered the ERA's hidden agenda.

    A couple of months later, a reporter asked the governor of Missouri if he was for the ERA. "Do you mean the old ERA or the new ERA?" he replied. "I was for equal pay for equal work, but after those women went down to Houston and got tangled up with the abortionists and the lesbians, I can tell you ERA will never pass in the Show-Me State."

    With the expiration clock ticking — March 22, 1979 — and ratification uncertain, feminists appealed to Carter and Congress for a time extension and won. The ratification deadline was extended to June 30, 1982.

    The American people were so turned off by the extension that no additional state ever passed the ERA. In Idaho vs. Freeman, a federal court ruled that the time extension was unconstitutional and that states could constitutionally withdraw their previous support. Five did.

    The Supreme Court subsequently ruled that the lawsuit was "moot" because the ERA had not been ratified by either the original deadline or the extension.

    ERA supporters repeatedly tried to revive the amendment, reintroducing it in Congress in 1983. But the House rejected it. They then tried to persuade individual states to pass the ERA as state constitutional amendments. They got nowhere.

    The current plan to revive the amendment is so outrageously dishonest — for instance, backers say both previous time limits can be ignored, that prior court rulings are irrelevant and that the previous state ratifications are still valid — that it's a wonder anybody could argue it with a straight face. No matter its new name, the same text that has been voted down, again and again, will again be rejected by the American people.
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    LY 25 years after the defeat of the Equal Rights Amendment, feminists and their political supporters, who now control Congress, are back at it. Last month, the constitutional measure, now dubbed the Women's Equality Amendment, was reintroduced in the Senate and House, and its prospects, according to one advocate, "are better now than they have been in a very, very long time."

    But ERA Retro is doomed.

    The amendment, which was born around the time that women were given the right to vote, was first introduced in Congress in 1923. For nearly 50 years, all subsequent Congresses had the good judgment to leave it buried in committee.

    In 1971, the women's liberation movement burst on the scene and became the darling of the media. Its leaders demanded a gender-neutral society in which men and women would be treated exactly the same, no matter how reasonable it might be to respect differences between them. The amendment, which states that "equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex," was the chosen vehicle to achieve this goal.

    A radical feminist organization called the National Organization for Women stormed the halls of Congress and forced a vote on the Equal Rights Amendment. Only 24 members in the House, and eight in the Senate, voted against it. On March 22, 1972, Congress sent the amendment to the states, which had seven years to ratify it.

    The Equal Rights Amendment had a righteous name and incredible momentum. Who would oppose equal rights for women and men? Support was bipartisan, with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and then-Alabama Gov. George Wallace among its endorsers. Three presidents — Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter — signed on. Within the first year, 30 of the 38 states needed for ratification passed it, many without holding a hearing on the legislation. The Equal Rights Amendment was actively supported by most of the pushy women's organizations, a consortium of 33 women's magazines, numerous Hollywood celebrities and virtually all the media.

    The opposition was totally outmanned. We had no Rush Limbaughs, no Fox News, no "no-spin zone" to challenge the need for the amendment. We had no Internet, no e-mail, no fax machines to help rally an opposition.

    But the Equal Rights Amendment was rejected. We kicked off our Stop ERA campaign, launched in February 1972, with an article I wrote: "What's Wrong with Equal Rights for Women?" Over the next 10 years, nearly 100 issues of my Phyllis Schlafly Report were devoted to exposing the bad effects of the amendment.

    While claiming to benefit women, the ERA would actually have taken away some of women's rights. We based our arguments on the writings of pro-ERA law professors, among them current Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The amendment would require women to be drafted into military combat any time men were conscripted, abolish the presumption that the husband should support his wife and take away Social Security benefits for wives and widows. It would also give federal courts and the federal government enormous new powers to reinterpret every law that makes a distinction based on gender, such as those related to marriage, divorce and alimony.

    Throughout the 1970s, we presented legislators with our arguments. I testified at 41 state hearings. Meanwhile, the pro-amendment crowd could not show how the ERA would confer any benefit on women, not even in employment, because employment laws were already gender-neutral.

    In 1977, ERA advocates realized that they were approaching the seven-year time limit three states short of the 38 needed for ratification, so they persuaded Congress to give them $5 million to stage a conference, called International Women's Year, in Houston. The conference featured virtually every known feminist leader and received massive media coverage. But it backfired. When conference delegates voted for taxpayer funding of abortions and the entire gay rights agenda, Americans discovered the ERA's hidden agenda.

    A couple of months later, a reporter asked the governor of Missouri if he was for the ERA. "Do you mean the old ERA or the new ERA?" he replied. "I was for equal pay for equal work, but after those women went down to Houston and got tangled up with the abortionists and the lesbians, I can tell you ERA will never pass in the Show-Me State."

    With the expiration clock ticking — March 22, 1979 — and ratification uncertain, feminists appealed to Carter and Congress for a time extension and won. The ratification deadline was extended to June 30, 1982.

    The American people were so turned off by the extension that no additional state ever passed the ERA. In Idaho vs. Freeman, a federal court ruled that the time extension was unconstitutional and that states could constitutionally withdraw their previous support. Five did.

    The Supreme Court subsequently ruled that the lawsuit was "moot" because the ERA had not been ratified by either the original deadline or the extension.

    ERA supporters repeatedly tried to revive the amendment, reintroducing it in Congress in 1983. But the House rejected it. They then tried to persuade individual states to pass the ERA as state constitutional amendments. They got nowhere.

    The current plan to revive the amendment is so outrageously dishonest — for instance, backers say both previous time limits can be ignored, that prior court rulings are irrelevant and that the previous state ratifications are still valid — that it's a wonder anybody could argue it with a straight face. No matter its new name, the same text that has been voted down, again and again, will again be rejected by the American people.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2017 - 1:43 PM ET #2

    "...  For nearly 50 years, all subsequent Congresses had the good judgment to leave it buried in committee...."

    this is how they have buried these issues for over 150 years the two party system committee debates.
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    "...  For nearly 50 years, all subsequent Congresses had the good judgment to leave it buried in committee...."

    this is how they have buried these issues for over 150 years the two party system committee debates.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2017 - 2:09 PM ET #3

    Era supporters need 3 states to ratify the amendment,

    out of 
    Illinois
    Nevada
    Missouri
    Arizona
    Utah
    Virginia
    morth carolina
    south carolina
    georgia
    florida
    alabama
    missippi
    New Orleans during lent.....
    Texas, 
    Missouri.

    petions have filed to the senate will vote nevada
    illionois died in House comittee 2014 senate voted in 2014
    and motion is moving through the carolinas now that sweet governor is off attending to UN affairs.

    they only need to turn three so why not try four ten and get three solid wins.
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    Era supporters need 3 states to ratify the amendment,

    out of 
    Illinois
    Nevada
    Missouri
    Arizona
    Utah
    Virginia
    morth carolina
    south carolina
    georgia
    florida
    alabama
    missippi
    New Orleans during lent.....
    Texas, 
    Missouri.

    petions have filed to the senate will vote nevada
    illionois died in House comittee 2014 senate voted in 2014
    and motion is moving through the carolinas now that sweet governor is off attending to UN affairs.

    they only need to turn three so why not try four ten and get three solid wins.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2017 - 2:24 PM ET #4

    h Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and then-Alabama Gov. George Wallace among its endorsers. Three presidents — Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter — signed on
    -quote source line 18, 19, 20 of above article in examination.

    Those keeping track this would mean Jeff Sessions is in support of the Equal Rights Amendment, and possibly conservative individualists minds as Angus King and Susan Collins.
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    h Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and then-Alabama Gov. George Wallace among its endorsers. Three presidents — Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter — signed on
    -quote source line 18, 19, 20 of above article in examination.

    Those keeping track this would mean Jeff Sessions is in support of the Equal Rights Amendment, and possibly conservative individualists minds as Angus King and Susan Collins.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2017 - 4:00 PM ET #5

    he American people were so turned off by the extension that no additional state ever passed the ERA. In Idaho vs. Freeman, a federal court ruled that the time extension was unconstitutional and that states could constitutionally withdraw their previous support. Five did.

    line 30-44 reveals how the supreme court has not yet ruled on extension and how this was done.
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    he American people were so turned off by the extension that no additional state ever passed the ERA. In Idaho vs. Freeman, a federal court ruled that the time extension was unconstitutional and that states could constitutionally withdraw their previous support. Five did.

    line 30-44 reveals how the supreme court has not yet ruled on extension and how this was done.
     
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    he current plan to revive the amendment is so outrageously dishonest — for instance, backers say both previous time limits can be ignored, that prior court rulings are irrelevant and that the previous state ratifications are still valid — that it's a wonder anybody could argue it with a straight face. No matter its new name, the same text that has been voted down, again and again, will again be rejected by the American people.

    this article was written in 2007 published in la times by phylas herself.
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    he current plan to revive the amendment is so outrageously dishonest — for instance, backers say both previous time limits can be ignored, that prior court rulings are irrelevant and that the previous state ratifications are still valid — that it's a wonder anybody could argue it with a straight face. No matter its new name, the same text that has been voted down, again and again, will again be rejected by the American people.

    this article was written in 2007 published in la times by phylas herself.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2017 - 8:57 PM ET #7

    Nevada Democrats have gone bonkers. Not only are they suffering from a combination of PESD (Post-Election Stress Disorder) and TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), but apparently they've been caught up in some kind of time warp.

    Liberal legislators have resurrected the silly ERA (Equal Rights Amendment) issue that was killed and buried 35 years ago, along with the happy marriage, even though the United States Supreme Court settled that issue long ago, as well.

    Meanwhile, when not digging up meaningless legislative fossils the rest of the Democrats' agenda seems to be focused on killing jobs and strangling small businesses.

    For example, somehow these people got it in their heads that the government should be allowed to tell private businesses they must pay a "minimum wage" of $15/hour. Where this has been implemented already the result has been thousands of workers losing their jobs as thousands of businesses shut down.

    Talk about stuck on stupid.

    Along the same Big Brother line there's also a bill to force employers to give employees PAID sick leave. Of course, the politicians pushing this bill don't have to come up with the money to pay workers not to work. It's what in government-speak is called an unfunded mandate

    eriously. Where do these politicians – many of whom work for the government and have never signed the front of a paycheck – get the authority to tell private sector employers how much they must pay and what benefits they must give to willing adult employees? It's outrageous.

    And then there's the opposite end of the stick.

    A new bill has been introduced which would use the power of government to reward a deep-pocketed special interest – optometrists – from competition. It's a bill similar to others being introduced in state legislatures around the country.

    The bill would block the emerging and cost-saving practice of telemedicine for eye care while simultaneously ham-stringing the consumer's ability to buy contact lenses online or from discount retailers such as Costco and WalMart.

    The intent of the bill is to protect market share of professional optometrists who enjoy the luxury of being the only medical professionals who regularly fill their own prescriptions. A very convenient "captive audience" profit center the eye docs desperately want to save.

    This bill is crony government at its worst, couched in consumer safety rhetoric. But such laws, as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich points out, are "a blow for the goal of less expensive, more convenient, more innovative health care."

    So on one hand we have the collective gaggle of legislative Democrats in Carson City abusing the power of government to stick it to Nevada businesses while at the opposite end we have a bill abusing the power of government to protect some favored businesses from competition.

    Washington, D.C. isn't the only swamp that needs draining

    source https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/opinion/draining-the-swamp-in-nevada/



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    Nevada Democrats have gone bonkers. Not only are they suffering from a combination of PESD (Post-Election Stress Disorder) and TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), but apparently they've been caught up in some kind of time warp.

    Liberal legislators have resurrected the silly ERA (Equal Rights Amendment) issue that was killed and buried 35 years ago, along with the happy marriage, even though the United States Supreme Court settled that issue long ago, as well.

    Meanwhile, when not digging up meaningless legislative fossils the rest of the Democrats' agenda seems to be focused on killing jobs and strangling small businesses.

    For example, somehow these people got it in their heads that the government should be allowed to tell private businesses they must pay a "minimum wage" of $15/hour. Where this has been implemented already the result has been thousands of workers losing their jobs as thousands of businesses shut down.

    Talk about stuck on stupid.

    Along the same Big Brother line there's also a bill to force employers to give employees PAID sick leave. Of course, the politicians pushing this bill don't have to come up with the money to pay workers not to work. It's what in government-speak is called an unfunded mandate

    eriously. Where do these politicians – many of whom work for the government and have never signed the front of a paycheck – get the authority to tell private sector employers how much they must pay and what benefits they must give to willing adult employees? It's outrageous.

    And then there's the opposite end of the stick.

    A new bill has been introduced which would use the power of government to reward a deep-pocketed special interest – optometrists – from competition. It's a bill similar to others being introduced in state legislatures around the country.

    The bill would block the emerging and cost-saving practice of telemedicine for eye care while simultaneously ham-stringing the consumer's ability to buy contact lenses online or from discount retailers such as Costco and WalMart.

    The intent of the bill is to protect market share of professional optometrists who enjoy the luxury of being the only medical professionals who regularly fill their own prescriptions. A very convenient "captive audience" profit center the eye docs desperately want to save.

    This bill is crony government at its worst, couched in consumer safety rhetoric. But such laws, as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich points out, are "a blow for the goal of less expensive, more convenient, more innovative health care."

    So on one hand we have the collective gaggle of legislative Democrats in Carson City abusing the power of government to stick it to Nevada businesses while at the opposite end we have a bill abusing the power of government to protect some favored businesses from competition.

    Washington, D.C. isn't the only swamp that needs draining

    source https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/opinion/draining-the-swamp-in-nevada/



     
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    Posted: Feb. 28, 2017 - 8:59 PM ET #8

    how many errors in this piece of Journalism??? 

    Chuck Muth and @sabanesque would seem to get along splendidly.
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    how many errors in this piece of Journalism??? 

    Chuck Muth and @sabanesque would seem to get along splendidly.
     
     
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    Liberal legislators have resurrected the silly ERA (Equal Rights Amendment) issue that was killed and buried 35 years ago, along with the happy marriage, even though the United States Supreme Court settled that issue long ago, as well

    wrong the federal supreme court is Moot on this subject and never ruled,,, 
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    Liberal legislators have resurrected the silly ERA (Equal Rights Amendment) issue that was killed and buried 35 years ago, along with the happy marriage, even though the United States Supreme Court settled that issue long ago, as well

    wrong the federal supreme court is Moot on this subject and never ruled,,, 
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