I think you miss that grifting does not need to be trillions in impact to be grifting. Your response of WHO is being swindled is a bit small minded to deflect for Trump as if someone has to be giving him money for him to be grifting. When someone takes advantage of a situation for their personal gain when there is no other purpose for the action that is also grifting. Trump is a portfolio of brand exaggerated grifting as everything has to be about his name and face because the summation of a ton of small grifts is a large massive impact.
Grifting is also the sign of someone who has little understanding and value for others but themselves and in this case the fact he MUST forward his name and brand and company and enterprise in this fashion shows a total lack of humility and respect for the position. That is why NO other president has grifted like Trump, he is the King of the grift even as you just said it is not forcing someone to hand him money, it is only because he has no sense of self to respect the position it has to be about HIM and his name and his brand. I guess you could call him a fascist grifting charlatan if you need more terms to dig in on how disgusting he is. If grifting seems not appropriate enough then expand out to what a total waste he really is. You are likely right, he deserves a much heavier hand than a small timer term like grifting.
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@Raiders22
I think you miss that grifting does not need to be trillions in impact to be grifting. Your response of WHO is being swindled is a bit small minded to deflect for Trump as if someone has to be giving him money for him to be grifting. When someone takes advantage of a situation for their personal gain when there is no other purpose for the action that is also grifting. Trump is a portfolio of brand exaggerated grifting as everything has to be about his name and face because the summation of a ton of small grifts is a large massive impact.
Grifting is also the sign of someone who has little understanding and value for others but themselves and in this case the fact he MUST forward his name and brand and company and enterprise in this fashion shows a total lack of humility and respect for the position. That is why NO other president has grifted like Trump, he is the King of the grift even as you just said it is not forcing someone to hand him money, it is only because he has no sense of self to respect the position it has to be about HIM and his name and his brand. I guess you could call him a fascist grifting charlatan if you need more terms to dig in on how disgusting he is. If grifting seems not appropriate enough then expand out to what a total waste he really is. You are likely right, he deserves a much heavier hand than a small timer term like grifting.
Grifting is generally defined as obtaining money, influence, or other benefits through deception, manipulation, or fraud. The core of grifting is exploitation, not necessarily a lack of understanding of others.
Even if I grant your ‘mis-definition’ of the word — you have to be able to articulate exactly who is being grifted by a commemorative coin or passport?
Who is going to purchase one? Other than willing collectors or whomever?
I cannot call that a grift. It is just something you do not like for other reason(s). Not because anyone is being swindled, per se.
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@wallstreetcappers
Grifting is generally defined as obtaining money, influence, or other benefits through deception, manipulation, or fraud. The core of grifting is exploitation, not necessarily a lack of understanding of others.
Even if I grant your ‘mis-definition’ of the word — you have to be able to articulate exactly who is being grifted by a commemorative coin or passport?
Who is going to purchase one? Other than willing collectors or whomever?
I cannot call that a grift. It is just something you do not like for other reason(s). Not because anyone is being swindled, per se.
No need to try and deflect further, Trump IS a grifter he is also much more. I appreciate you pointing out that he is in the major leagues that a small timer term like grifting does not FULLY capture his full persona, that is a valid and very intelligent observation.
You will not be able to minimize the use of a term just because he is MORE than just the term, it kind of smacks you in the face when you try to deflect that Trump isnt a small time grifter, he is a LARGE time grifter with numerous small grifts that make him an even worse individual than just a little fry down the street grifter.
Someone can be MANY things Raiders, that is a great point..you are spot on and it is good you tried to smear the use of a term and in doing so expose the massive black hole of a human Trump really is.
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@Raiders22
No need to try and deflect further, Trump IS a grifter he is also much more. I appreciate you pointing out that he is in the major leagues that a small timer term like grifting does not FULLY capture his full persona, that is a valid and very intelligent observation.
You will not be able to minimize the use of a term just because he is MORE than just the term, it kind of smacks you in the face when you try to deflect that Trump isnt a small time grifter, he is a LARGE time grifter with numerous small grifts that make him an even worse individual than just a little fry down the street grifter.
Someone can be MANY things Raiders, that is a great point..you are spot on and it is good you tried to smear the use of a term and in doing so expose the massive black hole of a human Trump really is.
What would you think when the truth of his grifting is a plethora of examples which range from telemarketing for donations when he was facing financial need both before and after his presidency? What would you call his social media merch sales which are about his name and brand that little schmos get suckered in to giving their money based on his brand and name for items which are not millions or billions in transaction cost? What do you consider the sale of his meme coin and his wife to individual suckers who spent the small sum due to the spin and fraud associated with his name? Are those small scale? There are more of these many more.
I am sure you call it capitalism because it is a solid deflection, I call it Trump grifting and he does it all day every day...and his political stunts like naming a script scheme after himself or a savings account after himself or a coin or his name on currency etc etc those are the foundation FOR the grift they FORWARD his grift and as mentioned above make him much WORSE than just a grifter, he is a fraud and a scammer AND a grifter.
Sounds like someone you respect and admire huh?
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What would you think when the truth of his grifting is a plethora of examples which range from telemarketing for donations when he was facing financial need both before and after his presidency? What would you call his social media merch sales which are about his name and brand that little schmos get suckered in to giving their money based on his brand and name for items which are not millions or billions in transaction cost? What do you consider the sale of his meme coin and his wife to individual suckers who spent the small sum due to the spin and fraud associated with his name? Are those small scale? There are more of these many more.
I am sure you call it capitalism because it is a solid deflection, I call it Trump grifting and he does it all day every day...and his political stunts like naming a script scheme after himself or a savings account after himself or a coin or his name on currency etc etc those are the foundation FOR the grift they FORWARD his grift and as mentioned above make him much WORSE than just a grifter, he is a fraud and a scammer AND a grifter.
knock the bullshit off or really go hang out at a all maga website. You are embarrassing yourself with this non sense. Every single thing that trump is putting his name to, are all his own damn frigging ideas, so stop saying he didnt know about any of these things.
So it was somebody else that came up with the idea to build a massive arch to honor trump. This was his frigging idea and thats a fact. He came up with the idea. His idea to put his name on the Kennedy center, his idea to name airports after him(holding cities hostage with funds if they didnt do it. Every single thing that trump has his name attached to, have all been his own damn wants, so stop trying to say he didnt know.
Just like when he signed his name on the covid checks to make people think he was giving the money to us. Only signature on a govt check is the Treasury secretaries name and thats a fact. I wonder if all the maga pukes would be okay if obama slapped his signature on a govt check
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knock the bullshit off or really go hang out at a all maga website. You are embarrassing yourself with this non sense. Every single thing that trump is putting his name to, are all his own damn frigging ideas, so stop saying he didnt know about any of these things.
So it was somebody else that came up with the idea to build a massive arch to honor trump. This was his frigging idea and thats a fact. He came up with the idea. His idea to put his name on the Kennedy center, his idea to name airports after him(holding cities hostage with funds if they didnt do it. Every single thing that trump has his name attached to, have all been his own damn wants, so stop trying to say he didnt know.
Just like when he signed his name on the covid checks to make people think he was giving the money to us. Only signature on a govt check is the Treasury secretaries name and thats a fact. I wonder if all the maga pukes would be okay if obama slapped his signature on a govt check
The trump crime family has enriched themselves by close to 5 billion since he was back in office. He has dont this by using the power of our govt for his own families enrichment. If you truly cant see that, then you either are just being a shit disturber or you are walking thru life with blinders on.
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The trump crime family has enriched themselves by close to 5 billion since he was back in office. He has dont this by using the power of our govt for his own families enrichment. If you truly cant see that, then you either are just being a shit disturber or you are walking thru life with blinders on.
What would you think when the truth of his grifting is a plethora of examples which range from telemarketing for donations when he was facing financial need both before and after his presidency?
I would simply say you cannot stay on topic and are trying to deflect away from yet another losing topic for you about the coin and passport.
If you want to first answer the questions about that topic we can move onto a topic of your choosing.
No need to keep doing your scattershot routine.
Focus on the topic at hand first.
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@wallstreetcappers
What would you think when the truth of his grifting is a plethora of examples which range from telemarketing for donations when he was facing financial need both before and after his presidency?
I would simply say you cannot stay on topic and are trying to deflect away from yet another losing topic for you about the coin and passport.
If you want to first answer the questions about that topic we can move onto a topic of your choosing.
stop using drugs. Trump is behind every single that his name gets put on. Like i before, your making a fool out of yourself to keep posting its not his doing. The ball room was somebody else's idea also lolollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
You better go do your research before trying to blow smoke our asses here. Trump demanded his name be on the kennedy center. Why do you think he has a giant tarp on it now?
You have zero credibility on this web site. Might as well go post on maga.com
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stop using drugs. Trump is behind every single that his name gets put on. Like i before, your making a fool out of yourself to keep posting its not his doing. The ball room was somebody else's idea also lolollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
You better go do your research before trying to blow smoke our asses here. Trump demanded his name be on the kennedy center. Why do you think he has a giant tarp on it now?
You have zero credibility on this web site. Might as well go post on maga.com
stop using drugs. Trump is behind every single that his name gets put on. Like i before, your making a fool out of yourself to keep posting its not his doing. The ball room was somebody else's idea also lolollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll You better go do your research before trying to blow smoke our asses here. Trump demanded his name be on the kennedy center. Why do you think he has a giant tarp on it now? You have zero credibility on this web site. Might as well go post on maga.com
So, prove it.
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
stop using drugs. Trump is behind every single that his name gets put on. Like i before, your making a fool out of yourself to keep posting its not his doing. The ball room was somebody else's idea also lolollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll You better go do your research before trying to blow smoke our asses here. Trump demanded his name be on the kennedy center. Why do you think he has a giant tarp on it now? You have zero credibility on this web site. Might as well go post on maga.com
On October 15, 2025, Trump showed reporters in the Oval Office a model sitting on his desk of a proposed arch that he wished to build. CBS reporter Ed O'Keefe asked him: "Who is it for?" Trump replied: "Me. It's going to be beautiful." O'Keefe asked if it would be called "The Arc de Trump", a nickname that was immediately adopted by the media.
On October 15, 2025, Trump showed reporters in the Oval Office a model sitting on his desk of a proposed arch that he wished to build. CBS reporter Ed O'Keefe asked him: "Who is it for?" Trump replied: "Me. It's going to be beautiful." O'Keefe asked if it would be called "The Arc de Trump", a nickname that was immediately adopted by the media.
We all need to stop responding to these magas that do nothing but deflect. My God magas will turn themselves into a pretzel to defend their orange God.
Were all getting edged on by these forum magas. Tough to ignore when they post outrageous lies, i get it.
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MORE DEFLECTION.
We all need to stop responding to these magas that do nothing but deflect. My God magas will turn themselves into a pretzel to defend their orange God.
Were all getting edged on by these forum magas. Tough to ignore when they post outrageous lies, i get it.
@wallstreetcappers What would you think when the truth of his grifting is a plethora of examples which range from telemarketing for donations when he was facing financial need both before and after his presidency? I would simply say you cannot stay on topic and are trying to deflect away from yet another losing topic for you about the coin and passport. If you want to first answer the questions about that topic we can move onto a topic of your choosing. No need to keep doing your scattershot routine. Focus on the topic at hand first.
Nice try...get testy as a secondary deflection tool, you can do better than this. I explained my reasoning perfectly above but I cannot make you actually read a reply and that is obvious with your repeated inaccurate replies to me stating as you did above here.
You cannot defend Trump by saying WHO as you did above, you cannot defend the grifter by trying to minimize and categorize a grift then say if the items are LARGE (a deflection tool you tried to use) or that we have to prove it was HIM who forwarded the grift. Did he brag about these items on his social media? YES he did...that means he is involved, why else would the grifter boast and promote if he was not grifting?
I explained to deaf ears that the platform in this case being POTUS gives Trump the grifting environment and forwards his grifting enterprise, it is inappropriate misuse of his office to expand brand and advertise brand, that IS grifting. I gave examples of his grifting and yet you again try to deflect by saying he is NOT grifting because the coin he is not gaining financially or the passport he is not gaining financially when this is untrue completely.
If Trump grifts as we know he does on his social media and his telemarketing schemes and on his meme coins the merch he pushes and solicits, are his efforts of grifting forwarded by the use of his office? I think his financial statement most recently shows he HAS financially benefitted since being in office and that is from his exploitation/grifting of his wares via expansion of his enterprise while being in office.
The only way your deflection can be valid is if he were to shut down his grifting ENTIRELY and stop brand building through his political position, it is even worse than congress buying stocks and profiting from their exchange and knowledge of what they are representing since buying stock HAS risk and they are using their own funds and CAN lose on their investment. Trumps grift is from no expense of his own at all, the meme coin grift cost him NOTHING....NOTHING....his telemarketing grift costs him NOTHING because he pays for costs from the GRIFT. He has no personal investment in the grifts associated with his office. Even the Trump garbage on his tv show and the failed Trump Uni were not a risk to him because he advertised his grifts using platforms where he was profiting, the merch on his show he was being paid for the show and advertising for free on the show and unless he is a dolt (maybe) he should have covered his fixed costs from grifting via the episodes that introduced the grift.
Trump is a grifter who has created an ecosystem to grow his grift and that comes from plastering his name and mug all over this country via his political office, now if you want him to not grift well good luck with that...the guy is a BK fraud huckster and you can never truly put down a huckster unless he is in jail, and that sounds just fine to me.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@wallstreetcappers What would you think when the truth of his grifting is a plethora of examples which range from telemarketing for donations when he was facing financial need both before and after his presidency? I would simply say you cannot stay on topic and are trying to deflect away from yet another losing topic for you about the coin and passport. If you want to first answer the questions about that topic we can move onto a topic of your choosing. No need to keep doing your scattershot routine. Focus on the topic at hand first.
Nice try...get testy as a secondary deflection tool, you can do better than this. I explained my reasoning perfectly above but I cannot make you actually read a reply and that is obvious with your repeated inaccurate replies to me stating as you did above here.
You cannot defend Trump by saying WHO as you did above, you cannot defend the grifter by trying to minimize and categorize a grift then say if the items are LARGE (a deflection tool you tried to use) or that we have to prove it was HIM who forwarded the grift. Did he brag about these items on his social media? YES he did...that means he is involved, why else would the grifter boast and promote if he was not grifting?
I explained to deaf ears that the platform in this case being POTUS gives Trump the grifting environment and forwards his grifting enterprise, it is inappropriate misuse of his office to expand brand and advertise brand, that IS grifting. I gave examples of his grifting and yet you again try to deflect by saying he is NOT grifting because the coin he is not gaining financially or the passport he is not gaining financially when this is untrue completely.
If Trump grifts as we know he does on his social media and his telemarketing schemes and on his meme coins the merch he pushes and solicits, are his efforts of grifting forwarded by the use of his office? I think his financial statement most recently shows he HAS financially benefitted since being in office and that is from his exploitation/grifting of his wares via expansion of his enterprise while being in office.
The only way your deflection can be valid is if he were to shut down his grifting ENTIRELY and stop brand building through his political position, it is even worse than congress buying stocks and profiting from their exchange and knowledge of what they are representing since buying stock HAS risk and they are using their own funds and CAN lose on their investment. Trumps grift is from no expense of his own at all, the meme coin grift cost him NOTHING....NOTHING....his telemarketing grift costs him NOTHING because he pays for costs from the GRIFT. He has no personal investment in the grifts associated with his office. Even the Trump garbage on his tv show and the failed Trump Uni were not a risk to him because he advertised his grifts using platforms where he was profiting, the merch on his show he was being paid for the show and advertising for free on the show and unless he is a dolt (maybe) he should have covered his fixed costs from grifting via the episodes that introduced the grift.
Trump is a grifter who has created an ecosystem to grow his grift and that comes from plastering his name and mug all over this country via his political office, now if you want him to not grift well good luck with that...the guy is a BK fraud huckster and you can never truly put down a huckster unless he is in jail, and that sounds just fine to me.
So the passport is just a token to remember this year and not to be your new passport you use when travelling?
Because if you want to use it for travel you can’t just make a special passport for some people like that - there are tons of counterfeit measures that goes into creating a passport - and there are rules in place what specifically they should check for in an American passport (the only difference allowed is rather you have diplomat passport or normal) - so if changes are to be made it is for all or none of your citizens - that is the same with money - you can’t just make a 200 dollar bill and limit who have access to it - if it is to be used
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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So the passport is just a token to remember this year and not to be your new passport you use when travelling?
Because if you want to use it for travel you can’t just make a special passport for some people like that - there are tons of counterfeit measures that goes into creating a passport - and there are rules in place what specifically they should check for in an American passport (the only difference allowed is rather you have diplomat passport or normal) - so if changes are to be made it is for all or none of your citizens - that is the same with money - you can’t just make a 200 dollar bill and limit who have access to it - if it is to be used
I think he sells these passports and then at a later point he will make it law to have that if you want to vote - that seems more like going hand in hand with his actions - and then simsalabim - then a lot of you will suddenly have passports with his face in them (Your new king) and the rest of you can’t vote ! I think Trump would consider that a win/win
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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I think he sells these passports and then at a later point he will make it law to have that if you want to vote - that seems more like going hand in hand with his actions - and then simsalabim - then a lot of you will suddenly have passports with his face in them (Your new king) and the rest of you can’t vote ! I think Trump would consider that a win/win
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