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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2013 - 1:51 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:


    It's absolutely hysterical how you have not addressed one point of mine. I guess I now fully understand why steveshane has been so critical of you among others. You have not painted one broadly even reliable source that would assume you have any remote idea what it is you're asserting. You ought to stick to arguing your petty domestic policies with 14

    First you made the claim that I am anti-Jewish, and then you went on to try and prove me Truman comment as wrong which it is actually so self-evidently true.  You blew off my NPT comment which is extremely important, you again discredited that any aid to Israel couldn’t possibly be fueling anti-Americanism which in fact it has and then you go on to say that “I can explain that having been there and by the Palestinians stated plans to the Jewish settlements in the area. Don't forget...I have been to these settlements.” So this supposed to be the focus your argument. You’re pathetic.

    You're unable to debate with me because you're too caught up marginalizing my previous threads about how I've pointed out how Israel is grossly in violation of specific individual human rights, however this thread looks at the bigger picture and you simply discredit all of my points with a broad stroke of absolute bs...
    US has provided upwards of 154 billions dollars most of which is direct grants not loans.  FACT.  Which equates to $500 per capita Egypt being the next recipient receiving $20 per person. FACT

    https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PNADH500.pdf

    Israel unilaterally declared statehood violating the UN partition that would declared two states. FACT

    Israel expanded into more than 75% of Palestinian land engaging in ethnic cleansing and the UN  General Assembly  adopted resolution 194.... Israel again violated this and has never recognized the Palestinians refugees right to return...FACT

    US has no oversight on the way in which Israel used this money we grant them. FACT

    The Nixon/Kissinger strategy to back Israel which led to the US overlooking many attempts at peaceful opportunities with former Egyptian president Anwar Sadat tries to cut a deal in 1971-1972.  According to Secretary of State this agreement would have surely avoided the 1973 War.  FACT

    https://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3011393?uid=3739840&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101710958537

    UN General Assembly Resolution 59/124 "Israeli practices affecting human rights of Palestinian people" passed by a vote of 149-7.  Among the nations supported the resolution were Japan, Germany, France, China  and Great Britain. Those opposed Israel, Australia, Marshall Islands, the US and a couple others.....  FACT

    Countless notable defense experts inside of Israel and at various institutions have pointed out that Israel is a strategic liability.  

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/48213/bernard-lewis/rethinking-the-middle-east

    Yet you somehow think that the VAST array of civic organizations that attempt to push Israeli foreign policy NOT the US is small and unworthy? You’re saying not any of these groups have any influence at all?? AIPAC, IPF, ADL, ZOA etc..

    Do you know anything about interest groups and their power??

    Lastly it is hardly unpopular news that US backing for Israel is unpopular elsewhere in the world. People like yourself who think that Israel and the US are unified by a collective terrorist threat have the causal relationship backwards.  You can’t seem to grasp this basic idea.

    They say when one cannot argue based on facts, they resort to personal attacks. I guess that is true.

    The actual 'facts' you cite are either not in dispute nor relevant, nor actual facts (I like how you use editorial blogs to make a claim in fact).

    I have responded to your claims. I have pointed out why it is vital to our interests to support stable governments over those that are not. I have pointed out the need to have a stable ally in that region. I have explained how Americans die when we support unstable governments and money and weapons fall into wrong hands. I have described why Israel violated the treaty.

    You say you have been to Israel. If that is true, then you know that the West Bank and surrounding lands have Israeli and Palestinian settlements. You would also know that if that land is returned to the Palenstinians, they have stated they will raze the Israeli settlements. Does that bother you in the least? I realize that it does not.

    I have also criticized Israeli actions including boarding the ship in October that was bound for Gaza and carried supplies. I have on numerous occasions stated that the far right militant wing in Israel has done its country a disservice. Do you have one post where you criticize Iran or Hamas? Just one? I wonder why that is? 

     

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    It's absolutely hysterical how you have not addressed one point of mine. I guess I now fully understand why steveshane has been so critical of you among others. You have not painted one broadly even reliable source that would assume you have any remote idea what it is you're asserting. You ought to stick to arguing your petty domestic policies with 14

    First you made the claim that I am anti-Jewish, and then you went on to try and prove me Truman comment as wrong which it is actually so self-evidently true.  You blew off my NPT comment which is extremely important, you again discredited that any aid to Israel couldn’t possibly be fueling anti-Americanism which in fact it has and then you go on to say that “I can explain that having been there and by the Palestinians stated plans to the Jewish settlements in the area. Don't forget...I have been to these settlements.” So this supposed to be the focus your argument. You’re pathetic.

    You're unable to debate with me because you're too caught up marginalizing my previous threads about how I've pointed out how Israel is grossly in violation of specific individual human rights, however this thread looks at the bigger picture and you simply discredit all of my points with a broad stroke of absolute bs...
    US has provided upwards of 154 billions dollars most of which is direct grants not loans.  FACT.  Which equates to $500 per capita Egypt being the next recipient receiving $20 per person. FACT

    https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PNADH500.pdf

    Israel unilaterally declared statehood violating the UN partition that would declared two states. FACT

    Israel expanded into more than 75% of Palestinian land engaging in ethnic cleansing and the UN  General Assembly  adopted resolution 194.... Israel again violated this and has never recognized the Palestinians refugees right to return...FACT

    US has no oversight on the way in which Israel used this money we grant them. FACT

    The Nixon/Kissinger strategy to back Israel which led to the US overlooking many attempts at peaceful opportunities with former Egyptian president Anwar Sadat tries to cut a deal in 1971-1972.  According to Secretary of State this agreement would have surely avoided the 1973 War.  FACT

    https://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3011393?uid=3739840&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101710958537

    UN General Assembly Resolution 59/124 "Israeli practices affecting human rights of Palestinian people" passed by a vote of 149-7.  Among the nations supported the resolution were Japan, Germany, France, China  and Great Britain. Those opposed Israel, Australia, Marshall Islands, the US and a couple others.....  FACT

    Countless notable defense experts inside of Israel and at various institutions have pointed out that Israel is a strategic liability.  

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/48213/bernard-lewis/rethinking-the-middle-east

    Yet you somehow think that the VAST array of civic organizations that attempt to push Israeli foreign policy NOT the US is small and unworthy? You’re saying not any of these groups have any influence at all?? AIPAC, IPF, ADL, ZOA etc..

    Do you know anything about interest groups and their power??

    Lastly it is hardly unpopular news that US backing for Israel is unpopular elsewhere in the world. People like yourself who think that Israel and the US are unified by a collective terrorist threat have the causal relationship backwards.  You can’t seem to grasp this basic idea.

    They say when one cannot argue based on facts, they resort to personal attacks. I guess that is true.

    The actual 'facts' you cite are either not in dispute nor relevant, nor actual facts (I like how you use editorial blogs to make a claim in fact).

    I have responded to your claims. I have pointed out why it is vital to our interests to support stable governments over those that are not. I have pointed out the need to have a stable ally in that region. I have explained how Americans die when we support unstable governments and money and weapons fall into wrong hands. I have described why Israel violated the treaty.

    You say you have been to Israel. If that is true, then you know that the West Bank and surrounding lands have Israeli and Palestinian settlements. You would also know that if that land is returned to the Palenstinians, they have stated they will raze the Israeli settlements. Does that bother you in the least? I realize that it does not.

    I have also criticized Israeli actions including boarding the ship in October that was bound for Gaza and carried supplies. I have on numerous occasions stated that the far right militant wing in Israel has done its country a disservice. Do you have one post where you criticize Iran or Hamas? Just one? I wonder why that is? 

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2013 - 3:24 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    They say when one cannot argue based on facts, they resort to personal attacks. I guess that is true.

    The actual 'facts' you cite are either not in dispute nor relevant, nor actual facts (I like how you use editorial blogs to make a claim in fact).

    I have responded to your claims. I have pointed out why it is vital to our interests to support stable governments over those that are not. I have pointed out the need to have a stable ally in that region. I have explained how Americans die when we support unstable governments and money and weapons fall into wrong hands. I have described why Israel violated the treaty.

    You say you have been to Israel. If that is true, then you know that the West Bank and surrounding lands have Israeli and Palestinian settlements. You would also know that if that land is returned to the Palenstinians, they have stated they will raze the Israeli settlements. Does that bother you in the least? I realize that it does not.

    I have also criticized Israeli actions including boarding the ship in October that was bound for Gaza and carried supplies. I have on numerous occasions stated that the far right militant wing in Israel has done its country a disservice. Do you have one post where you criticize Iran or Hamas? Just one? I wonder why that is? 

     


    Here you go again with your absurd interpretation that I am somehow an anti semite because of a thread I made in GD about a Joo, (because the word person is banned here).  That’s the ultimate personal attack that trumps whatever it is you think I’ve said to you. I guess these men wrote this book, are also anti-Semites merely because a few people of the lobby and other political scientists claim that they are. I guess all the people in the politics section who emphatically emphasize Hussein as a part of Obama’s name are not Muslim haters right, right?? And what about esplanade who continually denigrates Muslims every chance he gets. I suppose you think he’s able to look at this conflict in a fair light though huh?

    You acknowledge that there problems with Israel’s conduct yet you’re forcing yourself to not understand that when Israeli violates these international laws, US aid to them doesn’t diminish and is unconditional.  You’re telling me to read a book on aid when you can’t even comprehend the most elementary point when identifying aid. You don’t reward countries for bad behavior NOR are Israel’s enemies the U.S’s enemies.  Go research Sharon’s comments on terrorism back in 2001….

    These occupations only reinforce this hatred of the US and undercuts Arabs who want peace. But I obviously understand that this situation hardly would have been perfect if Israel were not an ally but an even handed approach certainly could have induced better outcomes. However there is abundance of evidence that these occupations further promote anti-americanism due to our support of Israel.

    What factors led to the invasion of Iraq, the Israeli Lobby, Bush’s horrible WMD inspection teams, growing support of military commanders in Bush’s inner circle, Israel’s inspection team and Israel’s interests that have had no impact on our national interests. Entering Iraq was a catastrophic mistake, from the beginning and Israel was a huge benefactor of that decision.

    Essentially when you look at the historical context of poor decision after poor decision ranging from the 6 day war, the October War, the Invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and 2006, Israel has ostracized itself with horrendous conduct and foreign policy decision making yet we the US have stood by them and continued to supply them with military technology.  

    When you look at Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc.. those countries with possible intentions in acquiring WMDs, this is not a dire threat to American strategic interests as it is to Israel.  THE US’s main strategic interest in the Middle East is oil and protecting access to this commodity mainly depends on preventing and one country from controlling the entire region. A we protected Kuwait from Iraq, the same cannot be said about Iran, Iraq and Syria. There are many examples in which the US has been willing to cooperate with  regimes like Saddam in the 80s, we still back Pakistan even though they support Islamic terrorism in Kashmir and elsewhere, we have also been happy to accept Iran’s help with dealing with Taliban have gotten various intelligence sources from Syria, the point is these states suggest that they not a mortal threat to US interests but might potentially be a threat to Israel’s interests. Israel’s meddling in Lebanon has continually complicated US efforts there. As you look back on the various historical instances, Israel is not an asset when it comes to maintaining stability around these states. 

    As a result granting aid to Israel does nothing of the sort to promote our strategic interests in that region of the world an in fact is detrimental to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    They say when one cannot argue based on facts, they resort to personal attacks. I guess that is true.

    The actual 'facts' you cite are either not in dispute nor relevant, nor actual facts (I like how you use editorial blogs to make a claim in fact).

    I have responded to your claims. I have pointed out why it is vital to our interests to support stable governments over those that are not. I have pointed out the need to have a stable ally in that region. I have explained how Americans die when we support unstable governments and money and weapons fall into wrong hands. I have described why Israel violated the treaty.

    You say you have been to Israel. If that is true, then you know that the West Bank and surrounding lands have Israeli and Palestinian settlements. You would also know that if that land is returned to the Palenstinians, they have stated they will raze the Israeli settlements. Does that bother you in the least? I realize that it does not.

    I have also criticized Israeli actions including boarding the ship in October that was bound for Gaza and carried supplies. I have on numerous occasions stated that the far right militant wing in Israel has done its country a disservice. Do you have one post where you criticize Iran or Hamas? Just one? I wonder why that is? 

     


    Here you go again with your absurd interpretation that I am somehow an anti semite because of a thread I made in GD about a Joo, (because the word person is banned here).  That’s the ultimate personal attack that trumps whatever it is you think I’ve said to you. I guess these men wrote this book, are also anti-Semites merely because a few people of the lobby and other political scientists claim that they are. I guess all the people in the politics section who emphatically emphasize Hussein as a part of Obama’s name are not Muslim haters right, right?? And what about esplanade who continually denigrates Muslims every chance he gets. I suppose you think he’s able to look at this conflict in a fair light though huh?

    You acknowledge that there problems with Israel’s conduct yet you’re forcing yourself to not understand that when Israeli violates these international laws, US aid to them doesn’t diminish and is unconditional.  You’re telling me to read a book on aid when you can’t even comprehend the most elementary point when identifying aid. You don’t reward countries for bad behavior NOR are Israel’s enemies the U.S’s enemies.  Go research Sharon’s comments on terrorism back in 2001….

    These occupations only reinforce this hatred of the US and undercuts Arabs who want peace. But I obviously understand that this situation hardly would have been perfect if Israel were not an ally but an even handed approach certainly could have induced better outcomes. However there is abundance of evidence that these occupations further promote anti-americanism due to our support of Israel.

    What factors led to the invasion of Iraq, the Israeli Lobby, Bush’s horrible WMD inspection teams, growing support of military commanders in Bush’s inner circle, Israel’s inspection team and Israel’s interests that have had no impact on our national interests. Entering Iraq was a catastrophic mistake, from the beginning and Israel was a huge benefactor of that decision.

    Essentially when you look at the historical context of poor decision after poor decision ranging from the 6 day war, the October War, the Invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and 2006, Israel has ostracized itself with horrendous conduct and foreign policy decision making yet we the US have stood by them and continued to supply them with military technology.  

    When you look at Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc.. those countries with possible intentions in acquiring WMDs, this is not a dire threat to American strategic interests as it is to Israel.  THE US’s main strategic interest in the Middle East is oil and protecting access to this commodity mainly depends on preventing and one country from controlling the entire region. A we protected Kuwait from Iraq, the same cannot be said about Iran, Iraq and Syria. There are many examples in which the US has been willing to cooperate with  regimes like Saddam in the 80s, we still back Pakistan even though they support Islamic terrorism in Kashmir and elsewhere, we have also been happy to accept Iran’s help with dealing with Taliban have gotten various intelligence sources from Syria, the point is these states suggest that they not a mortal threat to US interests but might potentially be a threat to Israel’s interests. Israel’s meddling in Lebanon has continually complicated US efforts there. As you look back on the various historical instances, Israel is not an asset when it comes to maintaining stability around these states. 

    As a result granting aid to Israel does nothing of the sort to promote our strategic interests in that region of the world an in fact is detrimental to it.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2013 - 3:44 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:


    Here you go again with your absurd interpretation that I am somehow an anti semite because of a thread I made in GD about a Joo, (because the word person is banned here).  That’s the ultimate personal attack that trumps whatever it is you think I’ve said to you. I guess these men wrote this book, are also anti-Semites merely because a few people of the lobby and other political scientists claim that they are. I guess all the people in the politics section who emphatically emphasize Hussein as a part of Obama’s name are not Muslim haters right, right?? And what about esplanade who continually denigrates Muslims every chance he gets. I suppose you think he’s able to look at this conflict in a fair light though huh?

    You acknowledge that there problems with Israel’s conduct yet you’re forcing yourself to not understand that when Israeli violates these international laws, US aid to them doesn’t diminish and is unconditional.  You’re telling me to read a book on aid when you can’t even comprehend the most elementary point when identifying aid. You don’t reward countries for bad behavior NOR are Israel’s enemies the U.S’s enemies.  Go research Sharon’s comments on terrorism back in 2001….

    These occupations only reinforce this hatred of the US and undercuts Arabs who want peace. But I obviously understand that this situation hardly would have been perfect if Israel were not an ally but an even handed approach certainly could have induced better outcomes. However there is abundance of evidence that these occupations further promote anti-americanism due to our support of Israel.

    What factors led to the invasion of Iraq, the Israeli Lobby, Bush’s horrible WMD inspection teams, growing support of military commanders in Bush’s inner circle, Israel’s inspection team and Israel’s interests that have had no impact on our national interests. Entering Iraq was a catastrophic mistake, from the beginning and Israel was a huge benefactor of that decision.

    Essentially when you look at the historical context of poor decision after poor decision ranging from the 6 day war, the October War, the Invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and 2006, Israel has ostracized itself with horrendous conduct and foreign policy decision making yet we the US have stood by them and continued to supply them with military technology.  

    When you look at Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc.. those countries with possible intentions in acquiring WMDs, this is not a dire threat to American strategic interests as it is to Israel.  THE US’s main strategic interest in the Middle East is oil and protecting access to this commodity mainly depends on preventing and one country from controlling the entire region. A we protected Kuwait from Iraq, the same cannot be said about Iran, Iraq and Syria. There are many examples in which the US has been willing to cooperate with  regimes like Saddam in the 80s, we still back Pakistan even though they support Islamic terrorism in Kashmir and elsewhere, we have also been happy to accept Iran’s help with dealing with Taliban have gotten various intelligence sources from Syria, the point is these states suggest that they not a mortal threat to US interests but might potentially be a threat to Israel’s interests. Israel’s meddling in Lebanon has continually complicated US efforts there. As you look back on the various historical instances, Israel is not an asset when it comes to maintaining stability around these states. 

    As a result granting aid to Israel does nothing of the sort to promote our strategic interests in that region of the world an in fact is detrimental to it.

    Yes, I know, I have never had arguments with posters like Esplanade for blatent anti-Muslim views.

    Wow. Just wow.

    And Israel is somhow responsible for the Iraq war. Seriously? This is why I cannot have a rational discussion with you. Your point of view is so anti-Israel, there is no ability to find common ground.

    Many people think like you. I'm sure you can find them by carrying around a copy of Mein Kampf.

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    Here you go again with your absurd interpretation that I am somehow an anti semite because of a thread I made in GD about a Joo, (because the word person is banned here).  That’s the ultimate personal attack that trumps whatever it is you think I’ve said to you. I guess these men wrote this book, are also anti-Semites merely because a few people of the lobby and other political scientists claim that they are. I guess all the people in the politics section who emphatically emphasize Hussein as a part of Obama’s name are not Muslim haters right, right?? And what about esplanade who continually denigrates Muslims every chance he gets. I suppose you think he’s able to look at this conflict in a fair light though huh?

    You acknowledge that there problems with Israel’s conduct yet you’re forcing yourself to not understand that when Israeli violates these international laws, US aid to them doesn’t diminish and is unconditional.  You’re telling me to read a book on aid when you can’t even comprehend the most elementary point when identifying aid. You don’t reward countries for bad behavior NOR are Israel’s enemies the U.S’s enemies.  Go research Sharon’s comments on terrorism back in 2001….

    These occupations only reinforce this hatred of the US and undercuts Arabs who want peace. But I obviously understand that this situation hardly would have been perfect if Israel were not an ally but an even handed approach certainly could have induced better outcomes. However there is abundance of evidence that these occupations further promote anti-americanism due to our support of Israel.

    What factors led to the invasion of Iraq, the Israeli Lobby, Bush’s horrible WMD inspection teams, growing support of military commanders in Bush’s inner circle, Israel’s inspection team and Israel’s interests that have had no impact on our national interests. Entering Iraq was a catastrophic mistake, from the beginning and Israel was a huge benefactor of that decision.

    Essentially when you look at the historical context of poor decision after poor decision ranging from the 6 day war, the October War, the Invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and 2006, Israel has ostracized itself with horrendous conduct and foreign policy decision making yet we the US have stood by them and continued to supply them with military technology.  

    When you look at Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc.. those countries with possible intentions in acquiring WMDs, this is not a dire threat to American strategic interests as it is to Israel.  THE US’s main strategic interest in the Middle East is oil and protecting access to this commodity mainly depends on preventing and one country from controlling the entire region. A we protected Kuwait from Iraq, the same cannot be said about Iran, Iraq and Syria. There are many examples in which the US has been willing to cooperate with  regimes like Saddam in the 80s, we still back Pakistan even though they support Islamic terrorism in Kashmir and elsewhere, we have also been happy to accept Iran’s help with dealing with Taliban have gotten various intelligence sources from Syria, the point is these states suggest that they not a mortal threat to US interests but might potentially be a threat to Israel’s interests. Israel’s meddling in Lebanon has continually complicated US efforts there. As you look back on the various historical instances, Israel is not an asset when it comes to maintaining stability around these states. 

    As a result granting aid to Israel does nothing of the sort to promote our strategic interests in that region of the world an in fact is detrimental to it.

    Yes, I know, I have never had arguments with posters like Esplanade for blatent anti-Muslim views.

    Wow. Just wow.

    And Israel is somhow responsible for the Iraq war. Seriously? This is why I cannot have a rational discussion with you. Your point of view is so anti-Israel, there is no ability to find common ground.

    Many people think like you. I'm sure you can find them by carrying around a copy of Mein Kampf.

     
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    You're an absolute joke.

    Again like I've said stick to arguing your petty Obama does this and Obama does that arguments with 14..  It's what you're best at.

    You failed to acknowledge a series of components  as to why I feel the US should reduce its aid to Israel. You're unable to rationally argue with me because of your bias towards my previous posts.

    You've failed to refute a basic claim about harry Truman's support of Israel, you don't understand the difference between being anti-Semitic and anti Israel, you think that Israel's strategic interests are synonymous with the US's because you are unable to refute my claims in post 27, you think that somehow Israel, is a strategic ally because of their location (which doesn't make any sense as you didn't back it up with any kind of historical backing as to how their location has helped us and you simply cannot understand the power of strong interest groups that are essentially like the party machines in the early 20th century.


    Congratulations covers is the only place in my lifetime where I've ever been called an anti-Semite..

    Keep calling me an anti-Semite though, only proves how incapable you are of adequately addressing my actual points.


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    You're an absolute joke.

    Again like I've said stick to arguing your petty Obama does this and Obama does that arguments with 14..  It's what you're best at.

    You failed to acknowledge a series of components  as to why I feel the US should reduce its aid to Israel. You're unable to rationally argue with me because of your bias towards my previous posts.

    You've failed to refute a basic claim about harry Truman's support of Israel, you don't understand the difference between being anti-Semitic and anti Israel, you think that Israel's strategic interests are synonymous with the US's because you are unable to refute my claims in post 27, you think that somehow Israel, is a strategic ally because of their location (which doesn't make any sense as you didn't back it up with any kind of historical backing as to how their location has helped us and you simply cannot understand the power of strong interest groups that are essentially like the party machines in the early 20th century.


    Congratulations covers is the only place in my lifetime where I've ever been called an anti-Semite..

    Keep calling me an anti-Semite though, only proves how incapable you are of adequately addressing my actual points.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    Hahahaha.. f  you!

    Good win tonight though, saw the highlights, you guys were down 2-0 after 1pd... nice bounce back.

    no one commented in this thread i made a while ago... funniest garbage.

    https://i.imgur.com/h0VCQ.jpg




    Good to see you got a sense of humour 
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    Hahahaha.. f  you!

    Good win tonight though, saw the highlights, you guys were down 2-0 after 1pd... nice bounce back.

    no one commented in this thread i made a while ago... funniest garbage.

    https://i.imgur.com/h0VCQ.jpg




    Good to see you got a sense of humour 
     
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    Not going to comment on Israel not getting into this Stiln don't agree with most of the stuff they do.
    Will throw this out people claim they are against discrimination yet it's okay for Israel.
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    Not going to comment on Israel not getting into this Stiln don't agree with most of the stuff they do.
    Will throw this out people claim they are against discrimination yet it's okay for Israel.
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Stiln]

    Hahahaha.. f  you!

    Good win tonight though, saw the highlights, you guys were down 2-0 after 1pd... nice bounce back.

    no one commented in this thread i made a while ago... funniest garbage.

    https://i.imgur.com/h0VCQ.jpg



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    If your up try to get TSN women's curling some nice pie 
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    Hahahaha.. f  you!

    Good win tonight though, saw the highlights, you guys were down 2-0 after 1pd... nice bounce back.

    no one commented in this thread i made a while ago... funniest garbage.

    https://i.imgur.com/h0VCQ.jpg



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    Most boring sport but can watch these ladies play all day
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    Yeah I wouldn't like my tax dollars going to this country.
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    They don't, so shut up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    DJBROW


    Facts vs. Opinions 

    Well informed neutral position vs. biased uninformed position

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    Facts vs. Opinions 

    Well informed neutral position vs. biased uninformed position

    djbrow
     
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    It's pretty much like funding terrorrism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake2002:



    Facts vs. Opinions 

    Well informed neutral position vs. biased uninformed position

    djbrow




    Another brainwashed idiot who doesn't know anything about the issue at hand..

    Not only does Israel produce state-funded terrorism that adversely affects them, the US funds this type of s hit....
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    Well informed neutral position vs. biased uninformed position

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    Another brainwashed idiot who doesn't know anything about the issue at hand..

    Not only does Israel produce state-funded terrorism that adversely affects them, the US funds this type of s hit....
     
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    You do not have a clue. Israel does not produce terrorism. Israel is on the front line against terrorism. The US supports Israel because of shared values - Rule of Law, open societies, free press, the right of a woman not to be stoned after they're sexually assaulted, etc, and the intelligence Israel provides. If the US did not benefit from its support of Israel we wouldn't do it. Israel only retaliates to terror!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:

    It's pretty much like funding terrorrism

    good thing we dont have to worry about terrorists in the USA
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    It's pretty much like funding terrorrism

    good thing we dont have to worry about terrorists in the USA
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottLandau:

    You do not have a clue. Israel does not produce terrorism. Israel is on the front line against terrorism. The US supports Israel because of shared values - Rule of Law, open societies, free press, the right of a woman not to be stoned after they're sexually assaulted, etc, and the intelligence Israel provides. If the US did not benefit from its support of Israel we wouldn't do it. Israel only retaliates to terror!
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    You do not have a clue. Israel does not produce terrorism. Israel is on the front line against terrorism. The US supports Israel because of shared values - Rule of Law, open societies, free press, the right of a woman not to be stoned after they're sexually assaulted, etc, and the intelligence Israel provides. If the US did not benefit from its support of Israel we wouldn't do it. Israel only retaliates to terror!
     
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    scott im not accusing you of being an alias, but to have multiple threads where you have this unknown poster backing you up out of no where seems suspect...  

    Its like you came in being muslim... but now cant_win_at_all is like strapping a backpack to your back and you are the muslim with the backpack walking around...


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    scott im not accusing you of being an alias, but to have multiple threads where you have this unknown poster backing you up out of no where seems suspect...  

    Its like you came in being muslim... but now cant_win_at_all is like strapping a backpack to your back and you are the muslim with the backpack walking around...


     
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    dl suspect if you want. If it's THAT important to you it's easy to find out for yourself.

    FWIW I am Scott Landau. The dotcom of the same name is mine. The Scott Landau in the Playbook Wiseguy Contest since the early 80s is also me. I bet sports for a living.

    I am registered as ScottL at Rx. I've been registered at Major Wager as Scott Landau since 2000. If you search the War Room there you will see battles between me and a poster named Conrad on the I/P issue going back many years.

    Everywhere I go on a sports forum there is a side room with at least one poster making ridiculous statements about Israel. To no surprise I also discovered it here. Is it time-well-spent for me to counter these posters? Probably not. But I've been in these forums since the bettorsworld days. The one and only SL... Peace!
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    dl suspect if you want. If it's THAT important to you it's easy to find out for yourself.

    FWIW I am Scott Landau. The dotcom of the same name is mine. The Scott Landau in the Playbook Wiseguy Contest since the early 80s is also me. I bet sports for a living.

    I am registered as ScottL at Rx. I've been registered at Major Wager as Scott Landau since 2000. If you search the War Room there you will see battles between me and a poster named Conrad on the I/P issue going back many years.

    Everywhere I go on a sports forum there is a side room with at least one poster making ridiculous statements about Israel. To no surprise I also discovered it here. Is it time-well-spent for me to counter these posters? Probably not. But I've been in these forums since the bettorsworld days. The one and only SL... Peace!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottLandau:

    You do not have a clue. Israel does not produce terrorism. Israel is on the front line against terrorism. The US supports Israel because of shared values - Rule of Law, open societies, free press, the right of a woman not to be stoned after they're sexually assaulted, etc, and the intelligence Israel provides. If the US did not benefit from its support of Israel we wouldn't do it. Israel only retaliates to terror!


    1. You are most likely an alias. Of course I will never know for sure but the chances are high...

    Secondly. You have not refuted a single post of mine with other than generalizing petty 8th grade indoctrinated hebrew school comments.

    There are plenty of countries that share the same values as we do..therefore that argument is so worthless I don't know where to begin.. we don't give the other countries 4 billion each year...

    If you read through this thread and actually watch the ENTIRE video I posted, you wouldn't be as confused with where I'm coming from.

    John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt--two of some of the brightest foreign policy scholars and experts in the ENTIRE nation make a compelling argument that deserves discussion, so either watch the ENTIRE video, or don't bother responding to this post..
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    You do not have a clue. Israel does not produce terrorism. Israel is on the front line against terrorism. The US supports Israel because of shared values - Rule of Law, open societies, free press, the right of a woman not to be stoned after they're sexually assaulted, etc, and the intelligence Israel provides. If the US did not benefit from its support of Israel we wouldn't do it. Israel only retaliates to terror!


    1. You are most likely an alias. Of course I will never know for sure but the chances are high...

    Secondly. You have not refuted a single post of mine with other than generalizing petty 8th grade indoctrinated hebrew school comments.

    There are plenty of countries that share the same values as we do..therefore that argument is so worthless I don't know where to begin.. we don't give the other countries 4 billion each year...

    If you read through this thread and actually watch the ENTIRE video I posted, you wouldn't be as confused with where I'm coming from.

    John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt--two of some of the brightest foreign policy scholars and experts in the ENTIRE nation make a compelling argument that deserves discussion, so either watch the ENTIRE video, or don't bother responding to this post..
     
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    So it's up to 4 billion now eh? You should just stop at, "Of course I will never know," because when it comes to this issue you won't, ever. Your obsession with a tiny country smaller than Rhode Island that's 6K miles away and your imagination that somehow it controls the US for nefarious purposes is telling enough. Yet you want to smear me with the "Hebrew school" comment. Why does it matter if I went to Hebrew school or Karate class after public school let out? Because I might by Jewish I have blinders; is that it? If anyone here is giving himself away it's you.

    ‘Lobby’ lies make a comeback:
    https://www.jewishworldreview.com/0907/tobin091807.php3

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    So it's up to 4 billion now eh? You should just stop at, "Of course I will never know," because when it comes to this issue you won't, ever. Your obsession with a tiny country smaller than Rhode Island that's 6K miles away and your imagination that somehow it controls the US for nefarious purposes is telling enough. Yet you want to smear me with the "Hebrew school" comment. Why does it matter if I went to Hebrew school or Karate class after public school let out? Because I might by Jewish I have blinders; is that it? If anyone here is giving himself away it's you.

    ‘Lobby’ lies make a comeback:
    https://www.jewishworldreview.com/0907/tobin091807.php3

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottLandau:

    So it's up to 4 billion now eh? You should just stop at, "Of course I will never know," because when it comes to this issue you won't, ever. Your obsession with a tiny country smaller than Rhode Island that's 6K miles away and your imagination that somehow it controls the US for nefarious purposes is telling enough. Yet you want to smear me with the "Hebrew school" comment. Why does it matter if I went to Hebrew school or Karate class after public school let out? Because I might by Jewish I have blinders; is that it? If anyone here is giving himself away it's you.

    ‘Lobby’ lies make a comeback:
    https://www.jewishworldreview.com/0907/tobin091807.php3



    Did you actually just post that op-ed piece of garbage that doesn't refute a single thing, but overuse the word anti-semite 1000 times......

    At least Djbrow never attacked the authors with an pile of absolute horseshi t...

    Are you really posting that, really, really??

    It's more than 3 billion.... Close to 4 some years, less than 3 others. the average is 3... you fool.
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    So it's up to 4 billion now eh? You should just stop at, "Of course I will never know," because when it comes to this issue you won't, ever. Your obsession with a tiny country smaller than Rhode Island that's 6K miles away and your imagination that somehow it controls the US for nefarious purposes is telling enough. Yet you want to smear me with the "Hebrew school" comment. Why does it matter if I went to Hebrew school or Karate class after public school let out? Because I might by Jewish I have blinders; is that it? If anyone here is giving himself away it's you.

    ‘Lobby’ lies make a comeback:
    https://www.jewishworldreview.com/0907/tobin091807.php3



    Did you actually just post that op-ed piece of garbage that doesn't refute a single thing, but overuse the word anti-semite 1000 times......

    At least Djbrow never attacked the authors with an pile of absolute horseshi t...

    Are you really posting that, really, really??

    It's more than 3 billion.... Close to 4 some years, less than 3 others. the average is 3... you fool.
     
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    Another great post. The emoticons heighten your points as well. Time to face facts pal. The US and Israel help each other. Intelligent people in the US know Israel is the barbed wire vs islamic terrorism. And not only does the US benefit by a strong Israel, the entire civilized world does as well. First on the scene in disasters in Haiti, Japan, Turkey, Africa. And now, BOSTON! Israel ain't goin' nowhere Son. So take your hate and drown in it!
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    Another great post. The emoticons heighten your points as well. Time to face facts pal. The US and Israel help each other. Intelligent people in the US know Israel is the barbed wire vs islamic terrorism. And not only does the US benefit by a strong Israel, the entire civilized world does as well. First on the scene in disasters in Haiti, Japan, Turkey, Africa. And now, BOSTON! Israel ain't goin' nowhere Son. So take your hate and drown in it!
     
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    First on the scene, what in God's name are you talking about??

    Are you copying and pasting more tripe...???  https://www.aish.com/jw/id/BostonIsrael-Collaboration.html ??

    What facts though, you keep saying there are facts, there are ways in which the US benefits from Israel, yet you have not presented one, not a single fact, not one single fact that separates yourself from an emotionally-devoted, hebrew school expert.

    I don't care where Israel goes though? Do you even understand my argument you fool?? My argument since post 1 has always been, the US should stop giving money to israel..... not that the US should not defend isreal if they are attacked by terrorists in a conflict of war.
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    First on the scene, what in God's name are you talking about??

    Are you copying and pasting more tripe...???  https://www.aish.com/jw/id/BostonIsrael-Collaboration.html ??

    What facts though, you keep saying there are facts, there are ways in which the US benefits from Israel, yet you have not presented one, not a single fact, not one single fact that separates yourself from an emotionally-devoted, hebrew school expert.

    I don't care where Israel goes though? Do you even understand my argument you fool?? My argument since post 1 has always been, the US should stop giving money to israel..... not that the US should not defend isreal if they are attacked by terrorists in a conflict of war.
     
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    You don't have an argument because you hate J*ws, once again witnessed in another thread which you made disgusting comments about the Holocaust. Why would I continue to attempt to debate away your hate? You're almost done here anyway.
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    You don't have an argument because you hate J*ws, once again witnessed in another thread which you made disgusting comments about the Holocaust. Why would I continue to attempt to debate away your hate? You're almost done here anyway.
     
     
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    yet you continue to debate over and over...

    I think you guys should just agree to disagree here... especially if you are not understanding each other's points...
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    I think you guys should just agree to disagree here... especially if you are not understanding each other's points...
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