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    Former Defense Secretary SLAMS Obama Like Never Before: Americans Are ‘Being Killed…’

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    zelo123
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    Posted: May. 19, 2016 - 8:34 PM ET #1

    Despite the fact that President Obama declared an end to combat missions in Iraq in 2010 and Afghanistan in 2014, the United States still has thousands of troops on the ground in both countries.

    And because of that, some American military personnel are winding up in the ground, even if the Obama White House refuses to admit they’ve died in combat.

    Obama’s continued refusal to characterize the actions of our military in those war zones as “combat missions” has infuriated former Secretary of Defense and CIA Director Robert Gates, who has come out swinging at the administration’s word games that, many would argue, amount to outright deception.

    This new blast at his boss of the past comes not that long after Gates publicly took issue with Obama as a power-hungry, insecure president who thinks he’s “the smartest guy in the room” and isn’t interested in listening to the people around him.

    Appearing on the Thursday edition of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Gates stated, “I think that it is incredibly unfortunate not to speak openly about what’s going on.”

    “American troops are in action. They are being killed. They are in combat,” Gates added, deriding Obama’s “semantic backflips to avoid using the term combat” as “a disservice to those out there putting their lives on the line.”

    Gaining a distinction he no doubt would not want on his presidential resume, Obama was recently declared the U.S. commander in chief to have been engaged in war the longest. According to the New York Times, the president reached that milestone, in part, because:

    “Obama sent American forces back to Iraq in 2014 after the Islamic State seized wide stretches of territory there and was threatening to take Baghdad. In 2015, Mr. Obama, saying he continued to oppose the idea of an “endless war,” said he would keep thousands of troops in Afghanistan to continue to target remnants of Al Qaeda and to help Afghan forces defeat the Taliban.”

    In 2014, Obama, in a statement about ISIL, said, “I want the American people to understand how this effort will be different from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan…. It will not involve American combat troops fighting on foreign soil.”

    https://www.tpnn.com/2016/05/19/former-defense-secretary-slams-obama-like-never-americans-killed/

    What do you expect that doesn't care how the USA is handled?  

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Despite the fact that President Obama declared an end to combat missions in Iraq in 2010 and Afghanistan in 2014, the United States still has thousands of troops on the ground in both countries.

    And because of that, some American military personnel are winding up in the ground, even if the Obama White House refuses to admit they’ve died in combat.

    Obama’s continued refusal to characterize the actions of our military in those war zones as “combat missions” has infuriated former Secretary of Defense and CIA Director Robert Gates, who has come out swinging at the administration’s word games that, many would argue, amount to outright deception.

    This new blast at his boss of the past comes not that long after Gates publicly took issue with Obama as a power-hungry, insecure president who thinks he’s “the smartest guy in the room” and isn’t interested in listening to the people around him.

    Appearing on the Thursday edition of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Gates stated, “I think that it is incredibly unfortunate not to speak openly about what’s going on.”

    “American troops are in action. They are being killed. They are in combat,” Gates added, deriding Obama’s “semantic backflips to avoid using the term combat” as “a disservice to those out there putting their lives on the line.”

    Gaining a distinction he no doubt would not want on his presidential resume, Obama was recently declared the U.S. commander in chief to have been engaged in war the longest. According to the New York Times, the president reached that milestone, in part, because:

    “Obama sent American forces back to Iraq in 2014 after the Islamic State seized wide stretches of territory there and was threatening to take Baghdad. In 2015, Mr. Obama, saying he continued to oppose the idea of an “endless war,” said he would keep thousands of troops in Afghanistan to continue to target remnants of Al Qaeda and to help Afghan forces defeat the Taliban.”

    In 2014, Obama, in a statement about ISIL, said, “I want the American people to understand how this effort will be different from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan…. It will not involve American combat troops fighting on foreign soil.”

    https://www.tpnn.com/2016/05/19/former-defense-secretary-slams-obama-like-never-americans-killed/

    What do you expect that doesn't care how the USA is handled?  

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2016 - 8:56 PM ET #2

    Good post, zelo123.
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    Good post, zelo123.
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2016 - 9:10 PM ET #3

    One of your better threads.  Not even the libs in this forum will dare defend Obama on this travesty.  The rest of the world laughs at us thinking you voted for this clown twice.
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    One of your better threads.  Not even the libs in this forum will dare defend Obama on this travesty.  The rest of the world laughs at us thinking you voted for this clown twice.
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2016 - 9:22 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

    One of your better threads.  Not even the libs in this forum will dare defend Obama on this travesty.  The rest of the world laughs at us thinking you voted for this clown twice.


    That's like saying one of his craps didn't smell as bad as the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

    One of your better threads.  Not even the libs in this forum will dare defend Obama on this travesty.  The rest of the world laughs at us thinking you voted for this clown twice.


    That's like saying one of his craps didn't smell as bad as the others.
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 1:00 PM ET #5

    Since Robert Gates is now the voice of ultimate reason, I am wondering what the right wingers think of this. 

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-sec-of-defense-bob-gates-i-dont-trust-donald-trump-with-nukes-191851435.html

    I expect crickets. 
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    Since Robert Gates is now the voice of ultimate reason, I am wondering what the right wingers think of this. 

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-sec-of-defense-bob-gates-i-dont-trust-donald-trump-with-nukes-191851435.html

    I expect crickets. 
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 1:04 PM ET #6

    Obama is a lame duck. And we don't need to discuss that issue. 8 months and a wake up he is out of the Whitehouse. However the government bureaucracy will be entire different animal his positional posts in the mid level management will endure another twelve years or longer.
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    Obama is a lame duck. And we don't need to discuss that issue. 8 months and a wake up he is out of the Whitehouse. However the government bureaucracy will be entire different animal his positional posts in the mid level management will endure another twelve years or longer.
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 1:15 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    I am wondering what the right wingers think
    Djbrow gives right wingers too much credit.  Too many right wingers believe nutty things without examining the evidence and thinking things through to a logical conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    I am wondering what the right wingers think
    Djbrow gives right wingers too much credit.  Too many right wingers believe nutty things without examining the evidence and thinking things through to a logical conclusion.
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 1:48 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Since Robert Gates is now the voice of ultimate reason, I am wondering what the right wingers think of this. 

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-sec-of-defense-bob-gates-i-dont-trust-donald-trump-with-nukes-191851435.html

    I expect crickets. 

    I forget is this a deflection tactic on cano's list?

    Either way you seem to call this play quite often. 

    I don't think I've run into a human being that tells the truth 100% or tells lies 100%

    I could see why Gates would have reservations about Trump and nukes. 

    Also, I think it's fair to say that you would feel the same.

    Does that not give Gates more credibility with his feelings about Obama?

    So why the childish games? 

    Why not just give the OP a good game slap and move on?

    PS. That play is as old and stupid as dl36's entire playbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Since Robert Gates is now the voice of ultimate reason, I am wondering what the right wingers think of this. 

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-sec-of-defense-bob-gates-i-dont-trust-donald-trump-with-nukes-191851435.html

    I expect crickets. 

    I forget is this a deflection tactic on cano's list?

    Either way you seem to call this play quite often. 

    I don't think I've run into a human being that tells the truth 100% or tells lies 100%

    I could see why Gates would have reservations about Trump and nukes. 

    Also, I think it's fair to say that you would feel the same.

    Does that not give Gates more credibility with his feelings about Obama?

    So why the childish games? 

    Why not just give the OP a good game slap and move on?

    PS. That play is as old and stupid as dl36's entire playbook.
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 2:17 PM ET #9

    You can tell bowslit is having a meltdown because he's gone psychostalker all obsessed with me even tho I didn't even post on this thread.

    Pure gold.  I swear it's like he's going out of his way to embarrass himself on as many threads as possible

    Typical bowslit
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    You can tell bowslit is having a meltdown because he's gone psychostalker all obsessed with me even tho I didn't even post on this thread.

    Pure gold.  I swear it's like he's going out of his way to embarrass himself on as many threads as possible

    Typical bowslit
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 2:41 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    You can tell bowslit is having a meltdown because he's gone psychostalker all obsessed with me even tho I didn't even post on this thread.

    Pure gold.  I swear it's like he's going out of his way to embarrass himself on as many threads as possible

    Typical bowslit

    Thats a complete lie and you know it. If I truly were having a meltdown, I would have clowned you on your chin-butt (ala Uriah Faber) or your super sized cow lick hairdo.

    Since I haven't yet clowned you on either...sorry, no meltdown.


    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    You can tell bowslit is having a meltdown because he's gone psychostalker all obsessed with me even tho I didn't even post on this thread.

    Pure gold.  I swear it's like he's going out of his way to embarrass himself on as many threads as possible

    Typical bowslit

    Thats a complete lie and you know it. If I truly were having a meltdown, I would have clowned you on your chin-butt (ala Uriah Faber) or your super sized cow lick hairdo.

    Since I haven't yet clowned you on either...sorry, no meltdown.


     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 2:48 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    I forget is this a deflection tactic on cano's list?

    Either way you seem to call this play quite often. 

    I don't think I've run into a human being that tells the truth 100% or tells lies 100%

    I could see why Gates would have reservations about Trump and nukes. 

    Also, I think it's fair to say that you would feel the same.

    Does that not give Gates more credibility with his feelings about Obama?

    So why the childish games? 

    Why not just give the OP a good game slap and move on?

    PS. That play is as old and stupid as dl36's entire playbook.


     Childish games? Now that's funny! Actually, all I was doing was pointing out the hypocrisy of right wing thinking like yourself. The problem with most right wing thinking is it's derivative from lack of intelligence, your post inclusive. 

    The reality is Gates is right on both accounts. As I have been one of the most critical people of Obama's line of thinking, I'm inclined to agree with gates on both accounts. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    I forget is this a deflection tactic on cano's list?

    Either way you seem to call this play quite often. 

    I don't think I've run into a human being that tells the truth 100% or tells lies 100%

    I could see why Gates would have reservations about Trump and nukes. 

    Also, I think it's fair to say that you would feel the same.

    Does that not give Gates more credibility with his feelings about Obama?

    So why the childish games? 

    Why not just give the OP a good game slap and move on?

    PS. That play is as old and stupid as dl36's entire playbook.


     Childish games? Now that's funny! Actually, all I was doing was pointing out the hypocrisy of right wing thinking like yourself. The problem with most right wing thinking is it's derivative from lack of intelligence, your post inclusive. 

    The reality is Gates is right on both accounts. As I have been one of the most critical people of Obama's line of thinking, I'm inclined to agree with gates on both accounts. 
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 2:49 PM ET #12

    Lol yeah very convincing 

    You don't look like youve gone over the deep end at all
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    Lol yeah very convincing 

    You don't look like youve gone over the deep end at all
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 8:06 PM ET #13

    I can't understand why someone would not be embarrassed for being a Mod sycophant...

    Any Mods comments ....
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    I can't understand why someone would not be embarrassed for being a Mod sycophant...

    Any Mods comments ....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:



     Childish games? Now that's funny! Actually, all I was doing was pointing out the hypocrisy of right wing thinking like yourself. The problem with most right wing thinking is it's derivative from lack of intelligence, your post inclusive. 

    The reality is Gates is right on both accounts. As I have been one of the most critical people of Obama's line of thinking, I'm inclined to agree with gates on both accounts. 

    I see a few accusations from time to time but never anything specific. 

    Perhaps you and the one with the chin-butt come from the same coaching tree. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:



     Childish games? Now that's funny! Actually, all I was doing was pointing out the hypocrisy of right wing thinking like yourself. The problem with most right wing thinking is it's derivative from lack of intelligence, your post inclusive. 

    The reality is Gates is right on both accounts. As I have been one of the most critical people of Obama's line of thinking, I'm inclined to agree with gates on both accounts. 

    I see a few accusations from time to time but never anything specific. 

    Perhaps you and the one with the chin-butt come from the same coaching tree. 
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 7:16 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    I see a few accusations from time to time but never anything specific. 

    Perhaps you and the one with the chin-butt come from the same coaching tree. 


    Actually, I have written lengthy posts about the failed middle east policy. 

    My guess is you stopped reading when you realized they had words with more than one syllable. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    I see a few accusations from time to time but never anything specific. 

    Perhaps you and the one with the chin-butt come from the same coaching tree. 


    Actually, I have written lengthy posts about the failed middle east policy. 

    My guess is you stopped reading when you realized they had words with more than one syllable. 
     
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    Damn I just woke up on that other planet DJ Wall Street and Z all agree. Obama policies in the middle East are less than desirable and Gates is a good man......
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    Damn I just woke up on that other planet DJ Wall Street and Z all agree. Obama policies in the middle East are less than desirable and Gates is a good man......
     
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 8:40 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    I can't understand why someone would not be embarrassed for being a Mod sycophant...

    Any Mods comments ....
    in all fairness the mods do a good job andkkeeping our discussion at least civil debates..... I have stated at times complete vulgarity expressing a point. Maybe we all have at times. I am sure I won't be able to make a difference in the way others believe.  But in most discussions I witnessed their is a great deal of anger management of these passions are well intended........
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    I can't understand why someone would not be embarrassed for being a Mod sycophant...

    Any Mods comments ....
    in all fairness the mods do a good job andkkeeping our discussion at least civil debates..... I have stated at times complete vulgarity expressing a point. Maybe we all have at times. I am sure I won't be able to make a difference in the way others believe.  But in most discussions I witnessed their is a great deal of anger management of these passions are well intended........
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