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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2012 - 4:57 PM ET #126

    So you want people to bow to corporations more but are upset when the government does the same? 

    That makes no sense..why as an extremist (you) would you open access to your personal habits as a citizen but be PISSED OFF when the government impedes similarly?

    Free market solutions cannot exist in any society..free market solutions depend on FULL and complete transparency on BOTH sides..not just you opening your home to corporations, but corporations having 100% transparency to all facets of their operations..and that will never/has never happened in the history of this country.

    Free Markets= buyer and seller both with full information, exchange good or service for a REASONABLE profit, with both sides making an educated decision with all information disclosed.

    New Zeland wool? 

    Really?

    So the wool industry is akin to a coop where any person can go and inspect every and any provider of the supply to verify the quality of the product..


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    So you want people to bow to corporations more but are upset when the government does the same? 

    That makes no sense..why as an extremist (you) would you open access to your personal habits as a citizen but be PISSED OFF when the government impedes similarly?

    Free market solutions cannot exist in any society..free market solutions depend on FULL and complete transparency on BOTH sides..not just you opening your home to corporations, but corporations having 100% transparency to all facets of their operations..and that will never/has never happened in the history of this country.

    Free Markets= buyer and seller both with full information, exchange good or service for a REASONABLE profit, with both sides making an educated decision with all information disclosed.

    New Zeland wool? 

    Really?

    So the wool industry is akin to a coop where any person can go and inspect every and any provider of the supply to verify the quality of the product..


     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2012 - 6:52 PM ET #127

    I do not want anyone to bow to anyone wall,  That is the point.  Government involvement is not voluntary.  It is a mandate through force of law, coercion and imprisonment. 
    People should have the right to enter into contracts of their own free will, and not be threatened by  overreaching bureaucratic government. 

    I do not think my ideas are extreme, and I am not going to retort by saying that the dichotomy that you exhibit when you decry the corporations, but buoy the governments that facilitate their corruption is a bit neurotic to say the least. You know, because you are my elder and can ban me for name calling.  

    You are quite the cynic to think that we can not have a freer, and more transparent marketplace.  If that is truly your belief than you are right, we should probably give up all of our personal freedoms, give the government 100% reign over our lives, and livelihoods and hope that the chains of tyranny sit light on our necks. 

    I think the solution is to punish corporate cronies, to actually attempt to fix markets, to break the bond between govt. and corporations, and to increase transparency. 

    I think we actually agree more than we disagree. 
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    I do not want anyone to bow to anyone wall,  That is the point.  Government involvement is not voluntary.  It is a mandate through force of law, coercion and imprisonment. 
    People should have the right to enter into contracts of their own free will, and not be threatened by  overreaching bureaucratic government. 

    I do not think my ideas are extreme, and I am not going to retort by saying that the dichotomy that you exhibit when you decry the corporations, but buoy the governments that facilitate their corruption is a bit neurotic to say the least. You know, because you are my elder and can ban me for name calling.  

    You are quite the cynic to think that we can not have a freer, and more transparent marketplace.  If that is truly your belief than you are right, we should probably give up all of our personal freedoms, give the government 100% reign over our lives, and livelihoods and hope that the chains of tyranny sit light on our necks. 

    I think the solution is to punish corporate cronies, to actually attempt to fix markets, to break the bond between govt. and corporations, and to increase transparency. 

    I think we actually agree more than we disagree. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2012 - 7:22 PM ET #128

    rick,

    Where did I say that I buoy the government that facilitates their corruption?

    Are you suggesting that because I think there is no such thing as a free markets and that I blame corporations for the flaws of government then I back their actions?

    I am a realist that has a different opinion than you..I place the blame on corporations for the flaws of government, I think the corporations have more power and are able to beat any and all regulation or prosecution to the extent of real punishment.

    And spare me the I am going to ban you and that I am older than you..I havent called you any names or made anything personal outside saying you are an extremist..which I think you already know about yourself.

    My cynical view is that I think corporations and special interests will not and cannot be uprooted from the government, so there isnt much hope. Until the money and corporate meddling is out we cannot expect the government to act in the interests of our citizens.
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    rick,

    Where did I say that I buoy the government that facilitates their corruption?

    Are you suggesting that because I think there is no such thing as a free markets and that I blame corporations for the flaws of government then I back their actions?

    I am a realist that has a different opinion than you..I place the blame on corporations for the flaws of government, I think the corporations have more power and are able to beat any and all regulation or prosecution to the extent of real punishment.

    And spare me the I am going to ban you and that I am older than you..I havent called you any names or made anything personal outside saying you are an extremist..which I think you already know about yourself.

    My cynical view is that I think corporations and special interests will not and cannot be uprooted from the government, so there isnt much hope. Until the money and corporate meddling is out we cannot expect the government to act in the interests of our citizens.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2012 - 10:00 PM ET #129

    My cynical view is that I think corporations and special interests will not and cannot be uprooted from the government, so there isnt much hope. Until the money and corporate meddling is out we cannot expect the government to act in the interests of our citizens.


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    My cynical view is that I think corporations and special interests will not and cannot be uprooted from the government, so there isnt much hope. Until the money and corporate meddling is out we cannot expect the government to act in the interests of our citizens.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2012 - 9:50 PM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:




    Oh, absolutely no doubt.  But what does it say about the Republican Party that MITT ROMNEY is what they come up with as the answer???

    If you don't laugh, you have to cry!!!

    GG Im curious, What is your prime example of an electible GOP candidate?

    Why is Mitt so much of a joke to you?

    He is not a career politician.

    He is a proven successful busnessman.

    Has enough money that he needs not take any bribes.

    Has worked in private sector. (Unlike Owebama)

    Has no anti-colonial deep seeded feelings.

    Thats enough for now!......

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    Oh, absolutely no doubt.  But what does it say about the Republican Party that MITT ROMNEY is what they come up with as the answer???

    If you don't laugh, you have to cry!!!

    GG Im curious, What is your prime example of an electible GOP candidate?

    Why is Mitt so much of a joke to you?

    He is not a career politician.

    He is a proven successful busnessman.

    Has enough money that he needs not take any bribes.

    Has worked in private sector. (Unlike Owebama)

    Has no anti-colonial deep seeded feelings.

    Thats enough for now!......

     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2012 - 11:06 AM ET #131

    dems retained the white house
    dems retained the senate
    repubs retained the house

    not much seems to have changed from where i'm standing, how did your predictions pan out?
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    dems retained the white house
    dems retained the senate
    repubs retained the house

    not much seems to have changed from where i'm standing, how did your predictions pan out?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2012 - 7:49 PM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    dems retained the white house
    dems retained the senate
    repubs retained the house

    not much seems to have changed from where i'm standing, how did your predictions pan out?


    how anyone can get excited at the prospect of more of the same is beyond me but indicative of this country's current demise
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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    dems retained the white house
    dems retained the senate
    repubs retained the house

    not much seems to have changed from where i'm standing, how did your predictions pan out?


    how anyone can get excited at the prospect of more of the same is beyond me but indicative of this country's current demise
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2012 - 10:07 PM ET #133

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    GG Im curious, What is your prime example of an electible GOP candidate?

    Why is Mitt so much of a joke to you?

    He is not a career politician.

    He is a proven successful busnessman.

    Has enough money that he needs not take any bribes.

    Has worked in private sector. (Unlike Owebama)

    Has no anti-colonial deep seeded feelings.

    Thats enough for now!......






    Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Mitch Daniels.  These are REAL Republicans.  They are electable Republicans.  They are not the fake plastic politicians like Mitt Romney or Rick Perry or Newt Gingrich, and they are not a nerd like Rick Santorum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    GG Im curious, What is your prime example of an electible GOP candidate?

    Why is Mitt so much of a joke to you?

    He is not a career politician.

    He is a proven successful busnessman.

    Has enough money that he needs not take any bribes.

    Has worked in private sector. (Unlike Owebama)

    Has no anti-colonial deep seeded feelings.

    Thats enough for now!......






    Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Mitch Daniels.  These are REAL Republicans.  They are electable Republicans.  They are not the fake plastic politicians like Mitt Romney or Rick Perry or Newt Gingrich, and they are not a nerd like Rick Santorum.


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