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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 2:07 PM ET #1826

    God you are beyond wrong.  So by your view, a single mother of 2 children that works a full time job and receives food stamps is on welfare???  That is ignorant and completely incorrect.  Government assistance is not the same as receiving a welfare check every month.  
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    God you are beyond wrong.  So by your view, a single mother of 2 children that works a full time job and receives food stamps is on welfare???  That is ignorant and completely incorrect.  Government assistance is not the same as receiving a welfare check every month.  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 3:30 PM ET #1827

    This debate was never about who was on welfare. You go off on this tangent because you can't support your original stance.
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    This debate was never about who was on welfare. You go off on this tangent because you can't support your original stance.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:15 PM ET #1828

    Quote Originally Posted by WalkyTalky:

    God you are beyond wrong.  So by your view, a single mother of 2 children that works a full time job and receives food stamps is on welfare???  That is ignorant and completely incorrect.  Government assistance is not the same as receiving a welfare check every month.  

    Wrong... If you receive assistance in any way shape or form from Uncle Sam you're on government assistance... I can't believe it takes 3 of us to explain that to you. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkyTalky:

    God you are beyond wrong.  So by your view, a single mother of 2 children that works a full time job and receives food stamps is on welfare???  That is ignorant and completely incorrect.  Government assistance is not the same as receiving a welfare check every month.  

    Wrong... If you receive assistance in any way shape or form from Uncle Sam you're on government assistance... I can't believe it takes 3 of us to explain that to you. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:16 PM ET #1829

    SNAP is an example of a welfare program. 

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    SNAP is an example of a welfare program. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:18 PM ET #1830

    What original stance can I not back up? 

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    What original stance can I not back up? 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:36 PM ET #1831

    “Hey FBI where’s Omar Mateen’s wife?”
    “Who cares”
    “Hey FBI, can y’all look into this kid?”
    “LOL no”
    “Hey FBI a porn star banged Tr—“
    *RAIDS*
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    “Hey FBI where’s Omar Mateen’s wife?”
    “Who cares”
    “Hey FBI, can y’all look into this kid?”
    “LOL no”
    “Hey FBI a porn star banged Tr—“
    *RAIDS*
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:39 PM ET #1832

    when welfare was started, its purpose was to help people get through tough times... originated to help get through the depression, not to become away of life.... race plays no part in this... free food,medical,housing and some spending money.... why work????  in theory it made sense, things are hard so here is a little something to hold you over until you get back on track.... people just took and took advantage...    there is a belief of ENTITLEMENT....  there is no ACCOUNTABILITY..... no RESPONSIBILITY...  
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    when welfare was started, its purpose was to help people get through tough times... originated to help get through the depression, not to become away of life.... race plays no part in this... free food,medical,housing and some spending money.... why work????  in theory it made sense, things are hard so here is a little something to hold you over until you get back on track.... people just took and took advantage...    there is a belief of ENTITLEMENT....  there is no ACCOUNTABILITY..... no RESPONSIBILITY...  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:42 PM ET #1833

    The original stance was that Trump was good for black people. I said that is yet to be proven. You said but unemployment numbers are down. I countered that they were already steadily declining so you can't really attribute that to Trump. You said that he's tougher on immigration and that illegal immigrants disproportionately affect African Americans. That sparked this whole debate. I counteted that 1) He talks tough on immigration but hasn't actually affected it yet. I also said that thw notion that the affect African Americans disproportionately, because as you maintain, they take unskilled labor jobs, is pure conjecture amd borders and borders on propaganda. You went off on a tangent about welfare.
    Look, i'm not a Trump basher. I want him to do well. All i'm saying is that right now he's been more false claims and tweets than actual results. It is still early and I wouldn't expect to see the results I speak of for another year...two years...five years...seven years...because that's how things work. And i'm fine with that. What bothers me is when he,  and memebers of his "base" make claims that are skewed if not utterly false. All i'm saying is let's wait and see. In 2-6 years I hope to revisit this thread and say, "You know, Tox, you were right. He has been good for African- Americans, and all Americans. I'm not asking for special treatment. I want him to be good for outr country as a whole. I'm really sick and tired of the racial divisiveness.
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    The original stance was that Trump was good for black people. I said that is yet to be proven. You said but unemployment numbers are down. I countered that they were already steadily declining so you can't really attribute that to Trump. You said that he's tougher on immigration and that illegal immigrants disproportionately affect African Americans. That sparked this whole debate. I counteted that 1) He talks tough on immigration but hasn't actually affected it yet. I also said that thw notion that the affect African Americans disproportionately, because as you maintain, they take unskilled labor jobs, is pure conjecture amd borders and borders on propaganda. You went off on a tangent about welfare.
    Look, i'm not a Trump basher. I want him to do well. All i'm saying is that right now he's been more false claims and tweets than actual results. It is still early and I wouldn't expect to see the results I speak of for another year...two years...five years...seven years...because that's how things work. And i'm fine with that. What bothers me is when he,  and memebers of his "base" make claims that are skewed if not utterly false. All i'm saying is let's wait and see. In 2-6 years I hope to revisit this thread and say, "You know, Tox, you were right. He has been good for African- Americans, and all Americans. I'm not asking for special treatment. I want him to be good for outr country as a whole. I'm really sick and tired of the racial divisiveness.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:44 PM ET #1834

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    “Hey FBI where’s Omar Mateen’s wife?”
    “Who cares”
    “Hey FBI, can y’all look into this kid?”
    “LOL no”
    “Hey FBI a porn star banged Tr—“
    *RAIDS*

    Like they wouldn't have banged her had they been given the chance.
    R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    “Hey FBI where’s Omar Mateen’s wife?”
    “Who cares”
    “Hey FBI, can y’all look into this kid?”
    “LOL no”
    “Hey FBI a porn star banged Tr—“
    *RAIDS*

    Like they wouldn't have banged her had they been given the chance.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:46 PM ET #1835

    There were some typos in that last post so bear with me.
    R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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    There were some typos in that last post so bear with me.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 4:56 PM ET #1836

    My entire racial argument is forced because of what people are taught in America today. I know it sounds racist at first because what I say is so foreign from what people are taught, but I’m not racist and that’s the only way to take on the false narrative. 

    Trump’s plan is the correct plan. Jobs, jobs, jobs. 

    Outsourcing our manufacturing was a big mistake. It benefited the 1% and destroyed the middle class. 

    Now he just wants things to be fair in trade. If they tax our cars at 25%, we should tax theirs at 25%. It should be even across the board. It’s not even close to even. 

    His vision is the right vision for America. And because black people are Americans, his vision will be good for them. 

    What’s terrible for black people is to be force fed a false narrative that you’re up against it because of the color of your skin. That’s not true, and it’s very destructive. 

    If you look at the median income by race it’s easy to see who will be the most effected by illegal immigrants. It isn’t Asians. 
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    My entire racial argument is forced because of what people are taught in America today. I know it sounds racist at first because what I say is so foreign from what people are taught, but I’m not racist and that’s the only way to take on the false narrative. 

    Trump’s plan is the correct plan. Jobs, jobs, jobs. 

    Outsourcing our manufacturing was a big mistake. It benefited the 1% and destroyed the middle class. 

    Now he just wants things to be fair in trade. If they tax our cars at 25%, we should tax theirs at 25%. It should be even across the board. It’s not even close to even. 

    His vision is the right vision for America. And because black people are Americans, his vision will be good for them. 

    What’s terrible for black people is to be force fed a false narrative that you’re up against it because of the color of your skin. That’s not true, and it’s very destructive. 

    If you look at the median income by race it’s easy to see who will be the most effected by illegal immigrants. It isn’t Asians. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 5:02 PM ET #1837

    Yeah I love when some schmoe judges Trump for sleeping with so many women. It’s a whole different ballgame when you’re a billionaire from Manhattan and the world is your oyster. Most people in his shoes have the same issues. He’s a playboy. Who cares. So wasn’t JFK and JFK is the golden boy of the Democratic Party. 
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    Yeah I love when some schmoe judges Trump for sleeping with so many women. It’s a whole different ballgame when you’re a billionaire from Manhattan and the world is your oyster. Most people in his shoes have the same issues. He’s a playboy. Who cares. So wasn’t JFK and JFK is the golden boy of the Democratic Party. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 5:06 PM ET #1838

    Show where these results take 3-5-7 years.  What evidence do you have of that?  Some economic policies --- yes.  Other policies --- maybe; maybe not.  Some stances, or perceived and anticipated stances will have a knee-jerk reaction.  I know a lot of illegals and their families.  The anticipation is that the government will/has been crack/ing down more under Trump.  This has caused a lot of illegals to return or not come over.  The numbers also reflect this.  So, what happened 3-5-7 years ago to cause this?
    I understand when you say it takes time.  Sure it does.  But it has already had an initial impact. 
    Yes, it can be argued employment rates are lagging result.  But it is what it is.  When you are in charge of a company or country --- you get credit for the good and the blame for the bad.  If not Trump's policies or anticipation --- what then?
    And obviously we just looked at education rates and extrapolating can see the skill/unskilled also.  So, this is not propaganda as much as it seems.  It is fact.  What needs to be discussed is how you fix that. 
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    Show where these results take 3-5-7 years.  What evidence do you have of that?  Some economic policies --- yes.  Other policies --- maybe; maybe not.  Some stances, or perceived and anticipated stances will have a knee-jerk reaction.  I know a lot of illegals and their families.  The anticipation is that the government will/has been crack/ing down more under Trump.  This has caused a lot of illegals to return or not come over.  The numbers also reflect this.  So, what happened 3-5-7 years ago to cause this?
    I understand when you say it takes time.  Sure it does.  But it has already had an initial impact. 
    Yes, it can be argued employment rates are lagging result.  But it is what it is.  When you are in charge of a company or country --- you get credit for the good and the blame for the bad.  If not Trump's policies or anticipation --- what then?
    And obviously we just looked at education rates and extrapolating can see the skill/unskilled also.  So, this is not propaganda as much as it seems.  It is fact.  What needs to be discussed is how you fix that. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 5:16 PM ET #1839

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Show where these results take 3-5-7 years.  What evidence do you have of that?  Some economic policies --- yes.  Other policies --- maybe; maybe not.  Some stances, or perceived and anticipated stances will have a knee-jerk reaction.  I know a lot of illegals and their families.  The anticipation is that the government will/has been crack/ing down more under Trump.  This has caused a lot of illegals to return or not come over.  The numbers also reflect this.  So, what happened 3-5-7 years ago to cause this?
    I understand when you say it takes time.  Sure it does.  But it has already had an initial impact. 
    Yes, it can be argued employment rates are lagging result.  But it is what it is.  When you are in charge of a company or country --- you get credit for the good and the blame for the bad.  If not Trump's policies or anticipation --- what then?
    And obviously we just looked at education rates and extrapolating can see the skill/unskilled also.  So, this is not propaganda as much as it seems.  It is fact.  What needs to be discussed is how you fix that. 

    I'm not saying it necessarily takes that long to see results. What i'm saying is any president deserves that amount of time (the 5-7 years contingent on him winning a second term, obviously), they deserve that time to see what fruits their policies have beared. We live in a very hyper-stimulated time where everyone in on their cell phones so forth screaming, "now, now, now..." and things just don't work that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Show where these results take 3-5-7 years.  What evidence do you have of that?  Some economic policies --- yes.  Other policies --- maybe; maybe not.  Some stances, or perceived and anticipated stances will have a knee-jerk reaction.  I know a lot of illegals and their families.  The anticipation is that the government will/has been crack/ing down more under Trump.  This has caused a lot of illegals to return or not come over.  The numbers also reflect this.  So, what happened 3-5-7 years ago to cause this?
    I understand when you say it takes time.  Sure it does.  But it has already had an initial impact. 
    Yes, it can be argued employment rates are lagging result.  But it is what it is.  When you are in charge of a company or country --- you get credit for the good and the blame for the bad.  If not Trump's policies or anticipation --- what then?
    And obviously we just looked at education rates and extrapolating can see the skill/unskilled also.  So, this is not propaganda as much as it seems.  It is fact.  What needs to be discussed is how you fix that. 

    I'm not saying it necessarily takes that long to see results. What i'm saying is any president deserves that amount of time (the 5-7 years contingent on him winning a second term, obviously), they deserve that time to see what fruits their policies have beared. We live in a very hyper-stimulated time where everyone in on their cell phones so forth screaming, "now, now, now..." and things just don't work that way.
     
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    YouTube plans on increasing their security after the recent shooting.

    Yet security in our schools isn't the answer. 

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    YouTube plans on increasing their security after the recent shooting.

    Yet security in our schools isn't the answer. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    My entire racial argument is forced because of what people are taught in America today. I know it sounds racist at first because what I say is so foreign from what people are taught, but I’m not racist and that’s the only way to take on the false narrative. 

    Trump’s plan is the correct plan. Jobs, jobs, jobs. 
     

    Maybe you have been forced to make that argument in the past but it was unnecessary in this debate. It had no bearing on what we were talking about.
    And frankly, racial injustice, prejudice, ect. is still pervasive today and does stagnate the advancement of African Americans. This is undebatable. With that said, it is also undebatable that equally detrimental, if not more so, is the notion, often put forth by liberals, that "The man is holding you down."
    Where we differ, and the reason you come off as racist(i've never said this that I know of), is your vitriol often seems targeted specifically at African Americans whereas I am mad at the the system as a whole. African Americans are part of that system so we are partially to blame for our own situation but that proverbial "man" that's always holding us down is a real thing, and part of said system as well. The media is part of said system, perpetuating those feelings of injustice and sowing the seeds of divisiveness. They are probably the worst of all. So why I agree that, as a race, looking for someone to blame is not going to help us, I also contend that the notion that, "Black people just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They're just not trying hard enough." is both inflammatory and utterly wrong.

    Now on to jobs, jobs, jobs. They are good for Americans. All Americans. As I've said many times before, contrary to what conservative media would have us believe, unemployment had been on a steady decline, and job creation had been a steady incline, under Obama. So the notion that Obama was bad for jobs, and all of a sudden Trump shows up and he's good for jobs, is fake news.

    Look i'm not here to defend Obama nor defame Trump. I'm not a leftie nor a rightie. I'm an indie, who usually trends more towards the conservative. I want what's best for our country and I don't care if we get there under a slick talking black dude or a billionaire playboy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    My entire racial argument is forced because of what people are taught in America today. I know it sounds racist at first because what I say is so foreign from what people are taught, but I’m not racist and that’s the only way to take on the false narrative. 

    Trump’s plan is the correct plan. Jobs, jobs, jobs. 
     

    Maybe you have been forced to make that argument in the past but it was unnecessary in this debate. It had no bearing on what we were talking about.
    And frankly, racial injustice, prejudice, ect. is still pervasive today and does stagnate the advancement of African Americans. This is undebatable. With that said, it is also undebatable that equally detrimental, if not more so, is the notion, often put forth by liberals, that "The man is holding you down."
    Where we differ, and the reason you come off as racist(i've never said this that I know of), is your vitriol often seems targeted specifically at African Americans whereas I am mad at the the system as a whole. African Americans are part of that system so we are partially to blame for our own situation but that proverbial "man" that's always holding us down is a real thing, and part of said system as well. The media is part of said system, perpetuating those feelings of injustice and sowing the seeds of divisiveness. They are probably the worst of all. So why I agree that, as a race, looking for someone to blame is not going to help us, I also contend that the notion that, "Black people just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They're just not trying hard enough." is both inflammatory and utterly wrong.

    Now on to jobs, jobs, jobs. They are good for Americans. All Americans. As I've said many times before, contrary to what conservative media would have us believe, unemployment had been on a steady decline, and job creation had been a steady incline, under Obama. So the notion that Obama was bad for jobs, and all of a sudden Trump shows up and he's good for jobs, is fake news.

    Look i'm not here to defend Obama nor defame Trump. I'm not a leftie nor a rightie. I'm an indie, who usually trends more towards the conservative. I want what's best for our country and I don't care if we get there under a slick talking black dude or a billionaire playboy.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 6:49 PM ET #1842

    How is racial injustice still pervasive today? 
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    How is racial injustice still pervasive today? 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 7:09 PM ET #1843

    Oh my gawd, Tox, this horse won't die but ok, i'll humor you. I'll make this very simple. Let me first ask you this. Do you believe racism, and any level, still exist. And more importantly, does prejudice exist.
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    Oh my gawd, Tox, this horse won't die but ok, i'll humor you. I'll make this very simple. Let me first ask you this. Do you believe racism, and any level, still exist. And more importantly, does prejudice exist.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 7:10 PM ET #1844

    Forgot a couple of question marks but it's clear they were questions.
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    Forgot a couple of question marks but it's clear they were questions.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 7:11 PM ET #1845

    *at any level
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    *at any level
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 7:13 PM ET #1846

    Yeah, sure. We have 325 million people and we’re a diverse country. Of course there are examples of racism at some level. Where racism is found it should be dealt with. Of course that goes both ways. Racism against any race shouldn’t be tolerated. 
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    Yeah, sure. We have 325 million people and we’re a diverse country. Of course there are examples of racism at some level. Where racism is found it should be dealt with. Of course that goes both ways. Racism against any race shouldn’t be tolerated. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 7:22 PM ET #1847

    For example, increasing the standards for Asians to get into college and decreasing the standards for black people to get into college is institutional racism targeting Asian people. Race should never be a factor. It should never help you and it should never hurt you. 
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    For example, increasing the standards for Asians to get into college and decreasing the standards for black people to get into college is institutional racism targeting Asian people. Race should never be a factor. It should never help you and it should never hurt you. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 7:40 PM ET #1848

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    How is racial injustice still pervasive today? 

    It is not. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    How is racial injustice still pervasive today? 

    It is not. 
     
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    Ok. So as long as there's racism, and as long as there's prejudice, there'll always be racial injustice. They go hand and hand, and yes, it goes both ways. There are just more people of caucasian decent in power so the instances of injustice are more prevalent. I'll use an example that relates back to an earlier post I made in this thread.
    Two young men apply to an apprenticeship, one white, one black. Same age, similar socio-economic backgrounds and school records, similar experiece. The business agent for the union is a white nationalist. Who gets accepted? Maybe he's not a white nationalist. Maybe he's just white. Who gets accepted? This is just human nature. However, as I stated before, we both agree that the notion of, "the man is holding me down..." has an equal if not greater negative effect. And the media, and politicians like Hillary Clinton, and past their prime civil rights activist like Al Sharpton, are probably public enemies number 1 through 3.
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    Ok. So as long as there's racism, and as long as there's prejudice, there'll always be racial injustice. They go hand and hand, and yes, it goes both ways. There are just more people of caucasian decent in power so the instances of injustice are more prevalent. I'll use an example that relates back to an earlier post I made in this thread.
    Two young men apply to an apprenticeship, one white, one black. Same age, similar socio-economic backgrounds and school records, similar experiece. The business agent for the union is a white nationalist. Who gets accepted? Maybe he's not a white nationalist. Maybe he's just white. Who gets accepted? This is just human nature. However, as I stated before, we both agree that the notion of, "the man is holding me down..." has an equal if not greater negative effect. And the media, and politicians like Hillary Clinton, and past their prime civil rights activist like Al Sharpton, are probably public enemies number 1 through 3.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    For example, increasing the standards for Asians to get into college and decreasing the standards for black people to get into college is institutional racism targeting Asian people. Race should never be a factor. It should never help you and it should never hurt you. 

    Cite a source where a college has done this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    For example, increasing the standards for Asians to get into college and decreasing the standards for black people to get into college is institutional racism targeting Asian people. Race should never be a factor. It should never help you and it should never hurt you. 

    Cite a source where a college has done this.
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