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    Doja45
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 1:27 AM ET #1801

    I like you Stu but what’s this Trump is “riding Obama’s coat tails” nonsense? So let me get this straight.... Everything that went wrong during Obama’s tenure was Bush’s fault, poor Barry inherited it. Everything that is going well during Trump’s administration is because of Obama? 

    I don’t care if you’re black, white, or purple, if you can’t come to the conclusion that Obama was a totally ineffective leader than you just weren’t paying attention. As for Trump the jury is still out 
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    I like you Stu but what’s this Trump is “riding Obama’s coat tails” nonsense? So let me get this straight.... Everything that went wrong during Obama’s tenure was Bush’s fault, poor Barry inherited it. Everything that is going well during Trump’s administration is because of Obama? 

    I don’t care if you’re black, white, or purple, if you can’t come to the conclusion that Obama was a totally ineffective leader than you just weren’t paying attention. As for Trump the jury is still out 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 1:41 AM ET #1802

    The article was testimony before the US Commision on Civil Rights by Vernon Briggs, emeritus professor of labor economics at Cornell University. 

    Don’t bother, something like Vox seems more like your speed anyways. 
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    The article was testimony before the US Commision on Civil Rights by Vernon Briggs, emeritus professor of labor economics at Cornell University. 

    Don’t bother, something like Vox seems more like your speed anyways. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 2:00 AM ET #1803

    As far as your overdose numbers, how many of those deaths are attributed to domestically produced prescription opioids like Oxycontin and Fentanyl? And how many of the overdoses attributed to actual Mexican Heroin are because of the rising cost of said prescription opioids which has driven addicts to seek other options for their fix, specifically cheaper Mexican Heroin, rather than Obama being "laxed on Border enforcement."
    You see, these are subjects I actually know about. You think you can pull some numbers off the net, with no context whatsoever, and i'm gonna be like, "Well, he got me." Not gonna happen. Your flaw is that all your arguments, and the numbers you use to back them, are really just to serve this argument you guys love to engage in on covers. You know the one. "Trump bad!" "No Trump good! Hillary bad! Obama bad! All Obama's fault!" Where I differ is I'm not a Trump basher or an Obama defender. I just keep it real and call bullshite when I see/smell it. I am a black man, true. And yes, I voted for Obama twice but i'm not gonna sit here and say he was a great President. He definitely wasn't as bad as your ilk makes him out to be. I thought Obamacare was a good thing. Maybe it was flawed in it's execution, but call me crazy, I think the greatest nation in the world should have universal health care. Atleast he tried. And i've never been without health insurance in my life, so it wasn't for me. I, unlike some of you, can look past myself. I'm not selfish. I digress though. Was Obama great? No. What President in recent memory has been? Trump has not been thus far. He talks a good game. Tweets a bunch, assigns blame but what has he really done? Sign a massive tax cut for the rich? I mean, it was criminal some of the things that were in that bill. However, as i've said many times, it's still early. I'm willing to be patient. I'm willing to wait and see but the way many people try to praise the man, and used skewed, if not all out fake numbers to back up said praise, simply because he belongs to your political party, or because he was endorsed by the clan, is bullshite. And i'll always call it out when I see it.
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    As far as your overdose numbers, how many of those deaths are attributed to domestically produced prescription opioids like Oxycontin and Fentanyl? And how many of the overdoses attributed to actual Mexican Heroin are because of the rising cost of said prescription opioids which has driven addicts to seek other options for their fix, specifically cheaper Mexican Heroin, rather than Obama being "laxed on Border enforcement."
    You see, these are subjects I actually know about. You think you can pull some numbers off the net, with no context whatsoever, and i'm gonna be like, "Well, he got me." Not gonna happen. Your flaw is that all your arguments, and the numbers you use to back them, are really just to serve this argument you guys love to engage in on covers. You know the one. "Trump bad!" "No Trump good! Hillary bad! Obama bad! All Obama's fault!" Where I differ is I'm not a Trump basher or an Obama defender. I just keep it real and call bullshite when I see/smell it. I am a black man, true. And yes, I voted for Obama twice but i'm not gonna sit here and say he was a great President. He definitely wasn't as bad as your ilk makes him out to be. I thought Obamacare was a good thing. Maybe it was flawed in it's execution, but call me crazy, I think the greatest nation in the world should have universal health care. Atleast he tried. And i've never been without health insurance in my life, so it wasn't for me. I, unlike some of you, can look past myself. I'm not selfish. I digress though. Was Obama great? No. What President in recent memory has been? Trump has not been thus far. He talks a good game. Tweets a bunch, assigns blame but what has he really done? Sign a massive tax cut for the rich? I mean, it was criminal some of the things that were in that bill. However, as i've said many times, it's still early. I'm willing to be patient. I'm willing to wait and see but the way many people try to praise the man, and used skewed, if not all out fake numbers to back up said praise, simply because he belongs to your political party, or because he was endorsed by the clan, is bullshite. And i'll always call it out when I see it.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 2:32 AM ET #1804

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The article was testimony before the US Commision on Civil Rights by Vernon Briggs, emeritus professor of labor economics at Cornell University. 

    Don’t bother, something like Vox seems more like your speed anyways. 

    I don't even know what Vox is. I read the article, even though I don't respect the periodical, out of respect to you. It was the trash I expected to be.
    The thesis of the article, much like what you alluded to earlier, is that illegal immigrants compete with African Americans for unskilled labor positions. Now there is ao much wrong with this.
    1) Quite frankly, African Americans are thankfully underrepresented in many of the typical unskilled labor trades occupied by illegals. To put it bluntly, we don't mow lawns. Poor white people are more than likely to fill the vacuum left in these positions if Mexicans just disappeared one day. Now if you want to talk about the positions in skilled trades illegals occupy, specifically in the construction field, well hispanics aren't the reason African Americans are underrepresented in those fields. And if hispanics went "poof", again, those jobs are more than likely going to white folks. Black people's problem aren't hispanics. It's lack of training opportunities, lack of apprenticeships. And combatting the stereotype that we are lazy and unreliable. Or that we're all criminals.
    2) My second problem with Vernon Briggs, is that he is essentially saying that Black people would be thrive in all of the unskilled positions that hispanics currently occupy if not for the presence of said hispanics. Aside from being unsubstantiated, there is another problem I have with this. Why does the path to betterment for African Americans have to involve mowing lawns, scrubbing floors, and picking f#cking strawberries. I guess any job is better than no job but c'mon. You made a comment earlier about illegals not taking a job from a guy that went to Harvard. And you're right about that. Where we differ is I want to see more black people going to Harvard. You, and Professor Emeritus, Vernon Briggs, are basically saying, "See black folk. You could be scrubbing these floors if not for all of these Mexicans." Basically using black people as pawns in a racially charged fight agsinst immigration. No, thank you. And again. Those jobs would go to poor white folks and asians anyway. Let's be real.
    p.s. Vernon Briggs sounds like a colored-folk name. Kinda through me for a loop. He's a white dude. Real J.D. Hoog looking dude. I bet he's used the b-word a time or two in his day. Just sayin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The article was testimony before the US Commision on Civil Rights by Vernon Briggs, emeritus professor of labor economics at Cornell University. 

    Don’t bother, something like Vox seems more like your speed anyways. 

    I don't even know what Vox is. I read the article, even though I don't respect the periodical, out of respect to you. It was the trash I expected to be.
    The thesis of the article, much like what you alluded to earlier, is that illegal immigrants compete with African Americans for unskilled labor positions. Now there is ao much wrong with this.
    1) Quite frankly, African Americans are thankfully underrepresented in many of the typical unskilled labor trades occupied by illegals. To put it bluntly, we don't mow lawns. Poor white people are more than likely to fill the vacuum left in these positions if Mexicans just disappeared one day. Now if you want to talk about the positions in skilled trades illegals occupy, specifically in the construction field, well hispanics aren't the reason African Americans are underrepresented in those fields. And if hispanics went "poof", again, those jobs are more than likely going to white folks. Black people's problem aren't hispanics. It's lack of training opportunities, lack of apprenticeships. And combatting the stereotype that we are lazy and unreliable. Or that we're all criminals.
    2) My second problem with Vernon Briggs, is that he is essentially saying that Black people would be thrive in all of the unskilled positions that hispanics currently occupy if not for the presence of said hispanics. Aside from being unsubstantiated, there is another problem I have with this. Why does the path to betterment for African Americans have to involve mowing lawns, scrubbing floors, and picking f#cking strawberries. I guess any job is better than no job but c'mon. You made a comment earlier about illegals not taking a job from a guy that went to Harvard. And you're right about that. Where we differ is I want to see more black people going to Harvard. You, and Professor Emeritus, Vernon Briggs, are basically saying, "See black folk. You could be scrubbing these floors if not for all of these Mexicans." Basically using black people as pawns in a racially charged fight agsinst immigration. No, thank you. And again. Those jobs would go to poor white folks and asians anyway. Let's be real.
    p.s. Vernon Briggs sounds like a colored-folk name. Kinda through me for a loop. He's a white dude. Real J.D. Hoog looking dude. I bet he's used the b-word a time or two in his day. Just sayin...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 2:42 AM ET #1805

    Quote Originally Posted by Doja45:

    I like you Stu but what’s this Trump is “riding Obama’s coat tails” nonsense? So let me get this straight.... Everything that went wrong during Obama’s tenure was Bush’s fault, poor Barry inherited it. Everything that is going well during Trump’s administration is because of Obama? 

    I don’t care if you’re black, white, or purple, if you can’t come to the conclusion that Obama was a totally ineffective leader than you just weren’t paying attention. As for Trump the jury is still out 

    What I meant by riding his coattails was specifically as it pertains to unemployment and job growth. I was simply saying that job growth had been on a steady incline and umenployment had been on a steady decline under Obama. All facts. I've never contended that he was an effective leader. Personally I think every President in my lifetime has sucked. I agree with Obamacare, in theory, so I applauded him for it but other than that, I can't point to anything that says he was great. So, I never say he was great. As for Trump, the jury is still out. And that's been my stance. He's done some things I agree with and some things I strongly disagree with. I'm pulling for him because we go as he goes. I'm not one of these people who would just as soon see us fail so they can say he failed. I want to see success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doja45:

    I like you Stu but what’s this Trump is “riding Obama’s coat tails” nonsense? So let me get this straight.... Everything that went wrong during Obama’s tenure was Bush’s fault, poor Barry inherited it. Everything that is going well during Trump’s administration is because of Obama? 

    I don’t care if you’re black, white, or purple, if you can’t come to the conclusion that Obama was a totally ineffective leader than you just weren’t paying attention. As for Trump the jury is still out 

    What I meant by riding his coattails was specifically as it pertains to unemployment and job growth. I was simply saying that job growth had been on a steady incline and umenployment had been on a steady decline under Obama. All facts. I've never contended that he was an effective leader. Personally I think every President in my lifetime has sucked. I agree with Obamacare, in theory, so I applauded him for it but other than that, I can't point to anything that says he was great. So, I never say he was great. As for Trump, the jury is still out. And that's been my stance. He's done some things I agree with and some things I strongly disagree with. I'm pulling for him because we go as he goes. I'm not one of these people who would just as soon see us fail so they can say he failed. I want to see success.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 2:48 AM ET #1806

    *threw me for a loop.
    It's late. What do you expect? I haven't proof read any of this.
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    *threw me for a loop.
    It's late. What do you expect? I haven't proof read any of this.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 8:29 AM ET #1807

    Your argument is terrible. It blames everyone else for not providing free stuff — training etc. No accountability. 25% of black people live in poverty. 50% are on welfare and you take the approach that they’re too good for certain jobs. 

    Pathetic. 
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    Your argument is terrible. It blames everyone else for not providing free stuff — training etc. No accountability. 25% of black people live in poverty. 50% are on welfare and you take the approach that they’re too good for certain jobs. 

    Pathetic. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 8:42 AM ET #1808

    When you mow lawns, you eventually start a landscaping business if you have an IQ above room temperature. 

    Your argument is that welfare is better? 

    Your argument is that people should pay more taxes so the government can come get people out of bed and teach them how to what.... be an electrician? Be a plumber? Or is your argument that black people are too good for that too? 

    Is your argument that this training isn’t currently available to black people? 
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    When you mow lawns, you eventually start a landscaping business if you have an IQ above room temperature. 

    Your argument is that welfare is better? 

    Your argument is that people should pay more taxes so the government can come get people out of bed and teach them how to what.... be an electrician? Be a plumber? Or is your argument that black people are too good for that too? 

    Is your argument that this training isn’t currently available to black people? 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 9:58 AM ET #1809

      You're putting words in my mouth and that is b.s. I've never done that to you. Where have I said anything about Welfare. Where have I said anything about paying more taxes for people to get out of bed to teach anything to anyone. Yes, I would like to see more African Americans in skilled trades. And while these opportunities are available, they are fewer and further between for African Americans than they are even for other minorities. And this is based predominately on racial stereotypes and stigmas. Most of the people accepting applications for jobs and/or apprenticeships are still white. And i'm an African American with a union card so this is a subject I know about. Black people aren't less intelligent than other races nor are we less driven. We just haven't been afforded the same opportunities. So excuse me if I don't subscribe to the notion that illegals disproportionately affect African Americans because they soak up all of the unskilled labor jobs, which was the thesis of this debate. And again, let us not forget that more poor white people, and asians would fill that vacuum anyway. The people hiring for those jobs are races other than African American as well. And therefore are subject to the same prejudice and stereotypes as the person hiring for IBEW or, for that matter, Goldman Sachs. Even you demostrated some form of prejudice. Bringing up notions of welfare and such when I never alluded to it. That same thinking permeates the minds of the same caucasians who decide whether to hire or not.
      And frankly, and I don't have the numbers to support this, but I would be willing to bet that we are making larger strides in the private sector, in finance, in tech, than we are in skilled trades. In those fields your resume speaks for itself. In skilled trades, it's still some white dude deciding if he's gonna give you a shot. And he's probably not. He's gonna put his son on. And his sons buddy. And his nephew. That's the real world.
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      You're putting words in my mouth and that is b.s. I've never done that to you. Where have I said anything about Welfare. Where have I said anything about paying more taxes for people to get out of bed to teach anything to anyone. Yes, I would like to see more African Americans in skilled trades. And while these opportunities are available, they are fewer and further between for African Americans than they are even for other minorities. And this is based predominately on racial stereotypes and stigmas. Most of the people accepting applications for jobs and/or apprenticeships are still white. And i'm an African American with a union card so this is a subject I know about. Black people aren't less intelligent than other races nor are we less driven. We just haven't been afforded the same opportunities. So excuse me if I don't subscribe to the notion that illegals disproportionately affect African Americans because they soak up all of the unskilled labor jobs, which was the thesis of this debate. And again, let us not forget that more poor white people, and asians would fill that vacuum anyway. The people hiring for those jobs are races other than African American as well. And therefore are subject to the same prejudice and stereotypes as the person hiring for IBEW or, for that matter, Goldman Sachs. Even you demostrated some form of prejudice. Bringing up notions of welfare and such when I never alluded to it. That same thinking permeates the minds of the same caucasians who decide whether to hire or not.
      And frankly, and I don't have the numbers to support this, but I would be willing to bet that we are making larger strides in the private sector, in finance, in tech, than we are in skilled trades. In those fields your resume speaks for itself. In skilled trades, it's still some white dude deciding if he's gonna give you a shot. And he's probably not. He's gonna put his son on. And his sons buddy. And his nephew. That's the real world.
     
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    If you’re unskilled, then you have to do unskilled labor. If you want to learn a skill, learn a skill. The argument that a black persons cant learn a skill because of the color of their skin is false. 

    The people hiring Asians weren’t always Asian and Asians are the most successful race in America. It’s amazing what strong families mixed with a good work ethic can achieve. 

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    If you’re unskilled, then you have to do unskilled labor. If you want to learn a skill, learn a skill. The argument that a black persons cant learn a skill because of the color of their skin is false. 

    The people hiring Asians weren’t always Asian and Asians are the most successful race in America. It’s amazing what strong families mixed with a good work ethic can achieve. 

     
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    And show me where you found the numbers that say 50% of African Americans are on welfare. Show me where I said anything about free stuff. Your own words demonstrate your prejudice and inclination to stereotypes. You essentially proved my point. Where did I even allude to wanting a hand out? I really wasn't even saying that black people were to good for unskilled labor jobs. That was kind of a tangent. The debate was if the presence of illegals disproportionately affected African Americans. You contended that they did because they take up low paying unskilled labor jobs. That was the only support you gave to support your thesis. Completely unprovable and pure conjecture. I could have saved myself a lot of time and thumb typing by simply saying it is my believe that caucasians would soak up more of thoss unskilled labor jobs than any other race. So by your own line of reasoning, I would counter that it's white people who are disproportionately affected by illegal workers.
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    And show me where you found the numbers that say 50% of African Americans are on welfare. Show me where I said anything about free stuff. Your own words demonstrate your prejudice and inclination to stereotypes. You essentially proved my point. Where did I even allude to wanting a hand out? I really wasn't even saying that black people were to good for unskilled labor jobs. That was kind of a tangent. The debate was if the presence of illegals disproportionately affected African Americans. You contended that they did because they take up low paying unskilled labor jobs. That was the only support you gave to support your thesis. Completely unprovable and pure conjecture. I could have saved myself a lot of time and thumb typing by simply saying it is my believe that caucasians would soak up more of thoss unskilled labor jobs than any other race. So by your own line of reasoning, I would counter that it's white people who are disproportionately affected by illegal workers.
     
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    Where have I said you CAN'T learn a skill because of the color of your skin. Again, you put words into my mouth because your arguments are weak. This is all pointless. You can believe what you want to believe. It matters not to me to change your mind and I can't believe i've gone this far. You are literally a brick wall, and not in a good way. And on a sidenote, what data do you have to show that asians are the most successful race in America? Again, pure conjecture based on racial stereotypes. You really are a lot simpler than I initially gave you credit for.
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    Where have I said you CAN'T learn a skill because of the color of your skin. Again, you put words into my mouth because your arguments are weak. This is all pointless. You can believe what you want to believe. It matters not to me to change your mind and I can't believe i've gone this far. You are literally a brick wall, and not in a good way. And on a sidenote, what data do you have to show that asians are the most successful race in America? Again, pure conjecture based on racial stereotypes. You really are a lot simpler than I initially gave you credit for.
     
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    Out of all welfare recipients 39.8% of them are african american, 38.8% are white.  One percent more.  To say that 50% of all african americans are on welfare is just plain wrong.  But seems to be on par with most of the ignorant sh.it you post.  
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    Out of all welfare recipients 39.8% of them are african american, 38.8% are white.  One percent more.  To say that 50% of all african americans are on welfare is just plain wrong.  But seems to be on par with most of the ignorant sh.it you post.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    And show me where you found the numbers that say 50% of African Americans are on welfare.

    • The black population: At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.

                    o   The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific
                         Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent.


    Not broken down to just welfare.  I assume this is covering all aspects of assistance programs.  Of course, it was also 5 years ago.  

    But the troubling thing is how the government (led by democrats) has done this.  Even though the intentions were good, it has done a lot to hinder a large sector of folks.  A larger percentage of the black race happens to be hurt by it.  That is not to say there are not white folks that are hurt by it as well.  Just not at the high percentage is all.  It is not politically-correct to say this though.  To me that is wrong.  It should be discussed and addressed.  But at this point --- it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    And show me where you found the numbers that say 50% of African Americans are on welfare.

    • The black population: At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.

                    o   The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific
                         Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent.


    Not broken down to just welfare.  I assume this is covering all aspects of assistance programs.  Of course, it was also 5 years ago.  

    But the troubling thing is how the government (led by democrats) has done this.  Even though the intentions were good, it has done a lot to hinder a large sector of folks.  A larger percentage of the black race happens to be hurt by it.  That is not to say there are not white folks that are hurt by it as well.  Just not at the high percentage is all.  It is not politically-correct to say this though.  To me that is wrong.  It should be discussed and addressed.  But at this point --- it is what it is.

     
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    There are 200 million white people and 40 million black people. 

    It’s amazing that there are more black people on welfare than white people. 

    You make a great point WalkyTalky. 

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    There are 200 million white people and 40 million black people. 

    It’s amazing that there are more black people on welfare than white people. 

    You make a great point WalkyTalky. 

     
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    Median household income in the US by race 

    Asian - $81,000
    White - $61,000
    Hispanic - $46,000
    Black - $38,000 

    Children raised in single-parent homes by race

    Asian - 17%
    White - 25%
    Hispanic - 42% 
    Black - 67% 

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    Median household income in the US by race 

    Asian - $81,000
    White - $61,000
    Hispanic - $46,000
    Black - $38,000 

    Children raised in single-parent homes by race

    Asian - 17%
    White - 25%
    Hispanic - 42% 
    Black - 67% 

     
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    I agree that it is amazing.  However you stated that 50% of african americans in this country are on welfare, which is incorrect.  You can admit that what you claimed was false right?  Or do you have too much of an ego to admit what you said was false?  Because there is no denying what you said was incorrect.  

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    I agree that it is amazing.  However you stated that 50% of african americans in this country are on welfare, which is incorrect.  You can admit that what you claimed was false right?  Or do you have too much of an ego to admit what you said was false?  Because there is no denying what you said was incorrect.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

      what data do you have to show that asians are the most successful race in America?

    Here are two stats talking about the income levels and education levels.  By these two the Asian race is more successful.  What other type numbers would it take to make the case for you?  We know there is a lower crime rate also.  So, not sure what else would be needed?

    Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households. For Hispanic households the median income was $39,005

    • Educational attainment varied by race and Hispanic origin. More than half of Asians aged 25 and older had a bachelor’s degree or higher in 2015.3 Asians were more likely than non-Hispanic Whites to have at least a bachelor’s degree. • Asians and non-Hispanic Whites were more likely to hold a bachelor’s degree or higher compared with Blacks and Hispanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

      what data do you have to show that asians are the most successful race in America?

    Here are two stats talking about the income levels and education levels.  By these two the Asian race is more successful.  What other type numbers would it take to make the case for you?  We know there is a lower crime rate also.  So, not sure what else would be needed?

    Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households. For Hispanic households the median income was $39,005

    • Educational attainment varied by race and Hispanic origin. More than half of Asians aged 25 and older had a bachelor’s degree or higher in 2015.3 Asians were more likely than non-Hispanic Whites to have at least a bachelor’s degree. • Asians and non-Hispanic Whites were more likely to hold a bachelor’s degree or higher compared with Blacks and Hispanics.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkyTalky:

    I agree that it is amazing.  However you stated that 50% of african americans in this country are on welfare, which is incorrect.  You can admit that what you claimed was false right?  Or do you have too much of an ego to admit what you said was false?  Because there is no denying what you said was incorrect.  


    41.6 is fairly close to 50.   And that was 5-6 years ago.   So, I am not sure rounding up to 50 is really that bad.  People tend to exaggerate some for effect.  So not really that far off.  
    The bigger question is why it is larger at all? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkyTalky:

    I agree that it is amazing.  However you stated that 50% of african americans in this country are on welfare, which is incorrect.  You can admit that what you claimed was false right?  Or do you have too much of an ego to admit what you said was false?  Because there is no denying what you said was incorrect.  


    41.6 is fairly close to 50.   And that was 5-6 years ago.   So, I am not sure rounding up to 50 is really that bad.  People tend to exaggerate some for effect.  So not really that far off.  
    The bigger question is why it is larger at all? 
     
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    Kids raised in single parent homes are more likely to drop out of school, go to jail, and just be a general failure in life. It doesn’t mean you will be a failure, it just means that you’re more likely to be a failure. 

    So, anyone with a brain can see the problem. The problem is not racism even though that’s what we’re taught. The problem is the large percentage of kids being raised in broken homes. 

    Now, everything goes back to this question. WHY ARE SO MANY BLACK KIDS RAISED IN A BROKEN HOME? This should be the debate. This is the correct angle to address the problem if you want real results. 

    After a lot of research (I’m pretty much an expert in this field now), I have come to the conclusion that welfare is to blame. Welfare promotes single-motherhood and penalizes two parent households. 

    Now, racism does play a role in this. Decades ago racism was a real problem and that led to a disproportionate amount of black people getting on welfare when the welfare state was created (60’s I think). 

    BUT, the side effects of the welfare state have been DISASTROUS for the black population. 

    The black community in America would be much better off today if the welfare state was never created. If you want to be ball and chained to the bottom of society — get on welfare. 

    Any questions? 

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    Kids raised in single parent homes are more likely to drop out of school, go to jail, and just be a general failure in life. It doesn’t mean you will be a failure, it just means that you’re more likely to be a failure. 

    So, anyone with a brain can see the problem. The problem is not racism even though that’s what we’re taught. The problem is the large percentage of kids being raised in broken homes. 

    Now, everything goes back to this question. WHY ARE SO MANY BLACK KIDS RAISED IN A BROKEN HOME? This should be the debate. This is the correct angle to address the problem if you want real results. 

    After a lot of research (I’m pretty much an expert in this field now), I have come to the conclusion that welfare is to blame. Welfare promotes single-motherhood and penalizes two parent households. 

    Now, racism does play a role in this. Decades ago racism was a real problem and that led to a disproportionate amount of black people getting on welfare when the welfare state was created (60’s I think). 

    BUT, the side effects of the welfare state have been DISASTROUS for the black population. 

    The black community in America would be much better off today if the welfare state was never created. If you want to be ball and chained to the bottom of society — get on welfare. 

    Any questions? 

     
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    21.3% of Americans are on welfare. There are 325 million Americans. This means 69.2 million Americans are on welfare. Using your numbers, 40% of the people on welfare are black. That means 27 million black people are on welfare. There are 40 million black people in America. So using your numbers, 67.5% of black people in America are on welfare. 
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    21.3% of Americans are on welfare. There are 325 million Americans. This means 69.2 million Americans are on welfare. Using your numbers, 40% of the people on welfare are black. That means 27 million black people are on welfare. There are 40 million black people in America. So using your numbers, 67.5% of black people in America are on welfare. 
     
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    You will find 1000 articles telling you there are more white people on welfare than black people. 

    You won’t find many articles telling you more white people are killed by cops than black people. 

    It seems people can only do the disproportionate math on certain issues. It’s all to put forth an argument that divides us. Do you know who these false narratives hurt more than anyone? Black people. It puts a terrible taste in their mouth. They need to dig deep into the facts to find the truth. And the truth isn’t easy to find. 
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    You will find 1000 articles telling you there are more white people on welfare than black people. 

    You won’t find many articles telling you more white people are killed by cops than black people. 

    It seems people can only do the disproportionate math on certain issues. It’s all to put forth an argument that divides us. Do you know who these false narratives hurt more than anyone? Black people. It puts a terrible taste in their mouth. They need to dig deep into the facts to find the truth. And the truth isn’t easy to find. 
     
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    If a single mother has two children and her sole means of support is welfare, does that count as one person on welfare or three people on welfare? 

     

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    If a single mother has two children and her sole means of support is welfare, does that count as one person on welfare or three people on welfare? 

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2018 - 1:27 PM ET #1824

    41.6% is of ALL government assistance programs, not singling out WELFARE as detox stated.  Detox though I don't agree with all your thoughts, I honestly think you make some good points at times.  Just wanted to see if you would admit what you said was completely incorrect.  Been checking out this thread periodically for awhile and I'm pretty that's never happened before.  Carry on.
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    41.6% is of ALL government assistance programs, not singling out WELFARE as detox stated.  Detox though I don't agree with all your thoughts, I honestly think you make some good points at times.  Just wanted to see if you would admit what you said was completely incorrect.  Been checking out this thread periodically for awhile and I'm pretty that's never happened before.  Carry on.
     
     
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    Welfare is government assistance. Government assistance is welfare. 
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    Welfare is government assistance. Government assistance is welfare. 
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