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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 11:08 AM ET #6376

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Trump knew pence was safe because Senator Tubberville informed him personally. Pence and Trump had not spoken since Pence informed him he was not going to overturn the election. The house case although powerful hinges on the testimony of ex Capitol police chiefs testimony that he asked 6 times for national guards assistance to be denied . Who denied the assistance to Capitol police. And who delayed the response. Because in the back every vets mind is Bengazi and delayed response to protect the ambassador and the security team there. If these two events link in subconscious of the veterans who supported trump and his supporters in Congress the ex president loses the political capital and can be neutralized in influencing Congress. In my opinion.

     

    No he did not. He informed him that Pence was escorted from the Senate floor. Trump had no idea where Pence was escorted to and Pence's security detail kept him in hiding. Tubberville never said he was safe or where he went because he did not know himself. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Trump knew pence was safe because Senator Tubberville informed him personally. Pence and Trump had not spoken since Pence informed him he was not going to overturn the election. The house case although powerful hinges on the testimony of ex Capitol police chiefs testimony that he asked 6 times for national guards assistance to be denied . Who denied the assistance to Capitol police. And who delayed the response. Because in the back every vets mind is Bengazi and delayed response to protect the ambassador and the security team there. If these two events link in subconscious of the veterans who supported trump and his supporters in Congress the ex president loses the political capital and can be neutralized in influencing Congress. In my opinion.

     

    No he did not. He informed him that Pence was escorted from the Senate floor. Trump had no idea where Pence was escorted to and Pence's security detail kept him in hiding. Tubberville never said he was safe or where he went because he did not know himself. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 11:10 AM ET #6377

    Trump original win directly resulted in Hillary Rodham Clinton and the narrative that put her and Bengazi in same frame.

    If this riot and bengazi is linked trump loses the support that he once had .

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    Trump original win directly resulted in Hillary Rodham Clinton and the narrative that put her and Bengazi in same frame.

    If this riot and bengazi is linked trump loses the support that he once had .

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 11:37 AM ET #6378

    Trump guilty and anyone can see this so how does he remain in power. It isn't money everyone in Washington has plenty of links to money. 

    It is his base. If you remove his base he falls like the proverbial nebecanizar statue. 

    White supremists support trump is the narrative. 

    Trump daughter Ivanka is Hebrew. They can catch that quick.

    The veterans support Trump not if they see this and Bengazi in the same light.

    Grand old party establishment protects Trump not if that costs them future elections.

    Christians in the bible belt evangelists support Trump.

    Not if looks luke the anti Christ and the second coming.

    Without his base he is a pathetic as any eccentric millionaire... And becomes as popular as George Soros....

    To his base. It not the head of nebacanizar that was vulnerable it was shiny shiny gold... It was the feet iron mingled with clay that was the Achilles heel...peace_5

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    Trump guilty and anyone can see this so how does he remain in power. It isn't money everyone in Washington has plenty of links to money. 

    It is his base. If you remove his base he falls like the proverbial nebecanizar statue. 

    White supremists support trump is the narrative. 

    Trump daughter Ivanka is Hebrew. They can catch that quick.

    The veterans support Trump not if they see this and Bengazi in the same light.

    Grand old party establishment protects Trump not if that costs them future elections.

    Christians in the bible belt evangelists support Trump.

    Not if looks luke the anti Christ and the second coming.

    Without his base he is a pathetic as any eccentric millionaire... And becomes as popular as George Soros....

    To his base. It not the head of nebacanizar that was vulnerable it was shiny shiny gold... It was the feet iron mingled with clay that was the Achilles heel...peace_5

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 12:46 PM ET #6379

    1242 est. Trump's lawyer shows The former President  doesn't support white supremacy. 

    There goes one toe of statue. 

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    1242 est. Trump's lawyer shows The former President  doesn't support white supremacy. 

    There goes one toe of statue. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 12:58 PM ET #6380

    So much for the snow flake image.

    Trumps lawyer just proved that democrats are willing to fight the good fight  1258 est.

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    So much for the snow flake image.

    Trumps lawyer just proved that democrats are willing to fight the good fight  1258 est.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 1:05 PM ET #6381

    Shoen now pushes the unversibility philosophy 

    Described in other post.

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    Shoen now pushes the unversibility philosophy 

    Described in other post.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 1:09 PM ET #6382

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri  https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/1027/Benghazi-attack-Urgent-call-for-military-help-was-denied-by-chain-of-command

    This is the only way to move the needle to conviction. 

    Ok. The speech incited a riot.

    Who fault the terrorists fault. 

    Fine so why was defense of the capital police delayed? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri  https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/1027/Benghazi-attack-Urgent-call-for-military-help-was-denied-by-chain-of-command

    This is the only way to move the needle to conviction. 

    Ok. The speech incited a riot.

    Who fault the terrorists fault. 

    Fine so why was defense of the capital police delayed? 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 1:14 PM ET #6383

    Mayor bowser rejected assistance...she knew...she chose not to add additional help...

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    Mayor bowser rejected assistance...she knew...she chose not to add additional help...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 1:17 PM ET #6384

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Mayor bowser rejected assistance...she knew...she chose not to add additional help...

    that was before the riot.

    Defense did not recommend the image of national guard forming a shield mp line

      During the riot. While Trump watched with glee in the white house was capital police calls for assistance delayed?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Mayor bowser rejected assistance...she knew...she chose not to add additional help...

    that was before the riot.

    Defense did not recommend the image of national guard forming a shield mp line

      During the riot. While Trump watched with glee in the white house was capital police calls for assistance delayed?

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 1:22 PM ET #6385

    121 federalist letters invoked to the framing of the constitution. 

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    121 federalist letters invoked to the framing of the constitution. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 1:44 PM ET #6386

    141 the defense exhibit hangs the president out to dry.

    If the speech 1 2 3.

    The delayed response of the defense then makes the speech in question  the things NOT  protected.

    This sets the president in a very precarious position.

    For it demonstrates motive intent and personal investment in the riot and gives a clear narrative that the speech intention was to cause the riot...

     

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    141 the defense exhibit hangs the president out to dry.

    If the speech 1 2 3.

    The delayed response of the defense then makes the speech in question  the things NOT  protected.

    This sets the president in a very precarious position.

    For it demonstrates motive intent and personal investment in the riot and gives a clear narrative that the speech intention was to cause the riot...

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 1:50 PM ET #6387

    The speech caused the riot.

    The President at the time intent was to cause the riot.

    By assisting the rioters and delaying defenses response to aid capitol police He then becomes guilty. Of what is not protected by the first amendment rights of political speech....

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    The speech caused the riot.

    The President at the time intent was to cause the riot.

    By assisting the rioters and delaying defenses response to aid capitol police He then becomes guilty. Of what is not protected by the first amendment rights of political speech....

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 1:55 PM ET #6388

    Recess. 15 minutes smoke em if you for em....

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    Recess. 15 minutes smoke em if you for em....

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 1:59 PM ET #6389

    Sen buemthal Connecticut hinted that delaying defense will be addressed at the press box.

    158 est.

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    Sen buemthal Connecticut hinted that delaying defense will be addressed at the press box.

    158 est.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:09 PM ET #6390

    If she would have listened to all the Intel beforehand,  the capital would have been more secured.  She knew this could happen,  in hopes to make things worse for trump...she tried but probably not succeed.  Here in ny,  they were ready and able... 

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    If she would have listened to all the Intel beforehand,  the capital would have been more secured.  She knew this could happen,  in hopes to make things worse for trump...she tried but probably not succeed.  Here in ny,  they were ready and able... 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:13 PM ET #6391

    Maryland and Virginia stood on the border of the city in full riot gear for 6 hours before secretary of defense authorized them to assist capital police.

    They were not allowed authorization until three hours into the riot to assist Police defending the congress building.

     

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    Maryland and Virginia stood on the border of the city in full riot gear for 6 hours before secretary of defense authorized them to assist capital police.

    They were not allowed authorization until three hours into the riot to assist Police defending the congress building.

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:16 PM ET #6392

    After many calls to the secretary office for their authorisation.  

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    After many calls to the secretary office for their authorisation.  

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:28 PM ET #6393

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    If she would have listened to all the Intel beforehand,  the capital would have been more secured.  She knew this could happen,  in hopes to make things worse for trump...she tried but probably not succeed.  Here in ny,  they were ready and able...
    the mayor of dc can not authorize or reject defense of the capital building by national guard That responsibility is on the shoulders of the secretary of defense.

    Source.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-police-idUSKBN29G0H3

    Sund told the newspaper in an interview he had asked House and Senate security officials for permission to request that the National Guard be placed on standby in case he needed quick backup but his request was turned down.

    Kenneth Rapuano, assistant secretary of defense for homeland defense and global security, said last week that the Pentagon had been in touch with the Capitol Police and were told that they would not require assistance from the National Guard.

    Sund, who will step down from his post on Jan. 16 after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for his resignation, said his request for help was rejected or delayed six times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    If she would have listened to all the Intel beforehand,  the capital would have been more secured.  She knew this could happen,  in hopes to make things worse for trump...she tried but probably not succeed.  Here in ny,  they were ready and able...
    the mayor of dc can not authorize or reject defense of the capital building by national guard That responsibility is on the shoulders of the secretary of defense.

    Source.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-police-idUSKBN29G0H3

    Sund told the newspaper in an interview he had asked House and Senate security officials for permission to request that the National Guard be placed on standby in case he needed quick backup but his request was turned down.

    Kenneth Rapuano, assistant secretary of defense for homeland defense and global security, said last week that the Pentagon had been in touch with the Capitol Police and were told that they would not require assistance from the National Guard.

    Sund, who will step down from his post on Jan. 16 after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for his resignation, said his request for help was rejected or delayed six times.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:32 PM ET #6394

    The law.

    The D.C National Guard was formed in 1802 by President Thomas Jefferson to defend the newly created District of Columbia. As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. 

    Source https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

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    The law.

    The D.C National Guard was formed in 1802 by President Thomas Jefferson to defend the newly created District of Columbia. As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. 

    Source https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:36 PM ET #6395

    This was a bengazi like attack on our soil under trumps administration.

     

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    This was a bengazi like attack on our soil under trumps administration.

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:38 PM ET #6396

    Clearly a failed insurrection. 

    Without the ballot box and vice presidents death 

    Then marshal law could not be declared.

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    Clearly a failed insurrection. 

    Without the ballot box and vice presidents death 

    Then marshal law could not be declared.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:40 PM ET #6397

    The D.C National Guard was formed in 1802 by President Thomas Jefferson to defend the newly created District of Columbia. As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. 

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    The D.C National Guard was formed in 1802 by President Thomas Jefferson to defend the newly created District of Columbia. As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:42 PM ET #6398

    rejected or delayed six times.

    Clearly the intent of the former president was to kill the vice president and destroy the ballot box.
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    rejected or delayed six times.

    Clearly the intent of the former president was to kill the vice president and destroy the ballot box.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:45 PM ET #6399

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Mayor bowser rejected assistance...she knew...she chose not to add additional help...

     

    No offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about. peace_5

     

    https://dccouncil.us/dc-council-statement-on-the-department-of-defenses-denial-of-dcs-national-guard-deployment-request/

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    @scooby-doos

     

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Mayor bowser rejected assistance...she knew...she chose not to add additional help...

     

    No offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about. peace_5

     

    https://dccouncil.us/dc-council-statement-on-the-department-of-defenses-denial-of-dcs-national-guard-deployment-request/

     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2021 - 2:52 PM ET #6400

    @djbrow. 

    This should be written.

    WASHINGTON, DC – The District of Columbia Council issued the following statement today:

    Today, the Department of Defense denied a request by Mayor Muriel Bowser to expand the responsibilities of the District of Columbia National Guard so that they would be authorized to protect and restore order at the Capitol Building. That request was denied.

    The Council is in full support of the Mayor’s request. We are appalled that this fundamental request was denied. We urge the Department of Defense to reconsider their decision, and to allow the National Guard to restore safety and sanctity to the Capitol, the cornerstone of our Democracy

    peace_5

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    @djbrow. 

    This should be written.

    WASHINGTON, DC – The District of Columbia Council issued the following statement today:

    Today, the Department of Defense denied a request by Mayor Muriel Bowser to expand the responsibilities of the District of Columbia National Guard so that they would be authorized to protect and restore order at the Capitol Building. That request was denied.

    The Council is in full support of the Mayor’s request. We are appalled that this fundamental request was denied. We urge the Department of Defense to reconsider their decision, and to allow the National Guard to restore safety and sanctity to the Capitol, the cornerstone of our Democracy

    peace_5

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