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    back to an endless Republicans war so 30 years in Iran over or under

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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2026 - 6:37 PM ET #51

     Before:

    • Urban life in big cities like Tehran was relatively cosmopolitan and Westernized. Women could go out without mandatory veiling, work, study, and participate in public life.

    • There were cinemas, nightclubs, Western fashion, and a growing middle class — at least in urban areas.

    • However, Iranian society was still largely traditional and religious outside major cities, and many rural areas did not share the same freedoms.

    After:

    • The government imposed Islamic social norms, including mandatory hijab for women, restrictions on public morality, and limits on various cultural imports.

    • While education and literacy expanded, especially for women, many personal and cultural freedoms were curtailed.

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     Before:

    • Urban life in big cities like Tehran was relatively cosmopolitan and Westernized. Women could go out without mandatory veiling, work, study, and participate in public life.

    • There were cinemas, nightclubs, Western fashion, and a growing middle class — at least in urban areas.

    • However, Iranian society was still largely traditional and religious outside major cities, and many rural areas did not share the same freedoms.

    After:

    • The government imposed Islamic social norms, including mandatory hijab for women, restrictions on public morality, and limits on various cultural imports.

    • While education and literacy expanded, especially for women, many personal and cultural freedoms were curtailed.

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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2026 - 6:39 PM ET #52

     Before:

    • Iran experienced rapid economic growth, especially in the 1960s and 1970s in part due to oil revenues — sometimes more than 9% annual growth.

    • Industrialization, infrastructure projects, and modernization were accelerating, but the benefits were often unevenly distributed and concentrated among elites.

    • There was a growing urban-rural divide, and dissatisfaction among poorer and traditional communities.

    After:

    • The revolution and later the Iran–Iraq war (1980–1988) caused economic disruption, nationalizations, and shifts toward a state-controlled economy.

    • Long-term growth slowed considerably compared to the pre-revolution period, with lower average growth rates over decades.

    • In later decades, Iran made some gains in health and education, but still struggled with sanctions and economic constraints.

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     Before:

    • Iran experienced rapid economic growth, especially in the 1960s and 1970s in part due to oil revenues — sometimes more than 9% annual growth.

    • Industrialization, infrastructure projects, and modernization were accelerating, but the benefits were often unevenly distributed and concentrated among elites.

    • There was a growing urban-rural divide, and dissatisfaction among poorer and traditional communities.

    After:

    • The revolution and later the Iran–Iraq war (1980–1988) caused economic disruption, nationalizations, and shifts toward a state-controlled economy.

    • Long-term growth slowed considerably compared to the pre-revolution period, with lower average growth rates over decades.

    • In later decades, Iran made some gains in health and education, but still struggled with sanctions and economic constraints.

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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2026 - 6:40 PM ET #53

    Iran before the revolution was a pro-Western, secular monarchy undergoing rapid modernization, but also facing inequality and political repression. After the revolution, Iran became a theocratic Islamic Republic with a very different political order, social norms, and economic structure. The shift was deep and transformative, affecting nearly every aspect of Iranian life.

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    Iran before the revolution was a pro-Western, secular monarchy undergoing rapid modernization, but also facing inequality and political repression. After the revolution, Iran became a theocratic Islamic Republic with a very different political order, social norms, and economic structure. The shift was deep and transformative, affecting nearly every aspect of Iranian life.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2026 - 6:41 PM ET #54

    Guess what country has not always been lousy.

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    Guess what country has not always been lousy.

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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2026 - 6:47 PM ET #55

    There are many very valid reasons to be against what is going on.

    But to use bad presuppositions that have inherently built-in bad information to back them up is not coherent.

    The valid reasons should be used to back up this reasoning and not attempt to support it with things that are verifiably incorrect.

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    There are many very valid reasons to be against what is going on.

    But to use bad presuppositions that have inherently built-in bad information to back them up is not coherent.

    The valid reasons should be used to back up this reasoning and not attempt to support it with things that are verifiably incorrect.

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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2026 - 8:07 PM ET #56

    @Raiders22

     what countries not on list the authors of that narrative 

    we do the same here in United States systematic round of protestors and public executions ( did you see what went down in Minneapolis and Portland Oregon?

    systematic random imprisonment 

    and forced confessions 

    the plea deals for poor are at epic proportions in adequate representation and conviction 

    what country holds the most prisoners? the great USA.

    disregard for world court proceeding has the US government made the necessary compensation to minorities and grievances today with the African and native American population 

    repressed voting laws the entire south will not let felons vote because they are less than a citizen?

    we can go back and forth about this But wars lead to lawless states and defunctiional government leads to anarchy again 2+2 = 4 reasoning.

    North Korea has the nuclear weapon Iran nuclear program is not at that capacity so why are we not targeting that rogue nation. 

    Iraq is aligned with Iran in a spiritual aspect because we deposed sadam hussein a sunni and replaced it with a shiite government. 

    we protect Human Traffickers we have no credibility to state any case and actually banned from the world court because we fail to comply with decisions 

    these practices are not ok lending Jeff and maxwell his plane not ok the reality that many in Congress voted to surlress the evidence and not release the files and the doj even after Congress demanded its release continues to withheld certain files 

    there seems to be no accountability here and Trump can only engage in this for 90 days, so don't take the script from why we went into again paraphr6it and call it an argument for invading Iran.

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     what countries not on list the authors of that narrative 

    we do the same here in United States systematic round of protestors and public executions ( did you see what went down in Minneapolis and Portland Oregon?

    systematic random imprisonment 

    and forced confessions 

    the plea deals for poor are at epic proportions in adequate representation and conviction 

    what country holds the most prisoners? the great USA.

    disregard for world court proceeding has the US government made the necessary compensation to minorities and grievances today with the African and native American population 

    repressed voting laws the entire south will not let felons vote because they are less than a citizen?

    we can go back and forth about this But wars lead to lawless states and defunctiional government leads to anarchy again 2+2 = 4 reasoning.

    North Korea has the nuclear weapon Iran nuclear program is not at that capacity so why are we not targeting that rogue nation. 

    Iraq is aligned with Iran in a spiritual aspect because we deposed sadam hussein a sunni and replaced it with a shiite government. 

    we protect Human Traffickers we have no credibility to state any case and actually banned from the world court because we fail to comply with decisions 

    these practices are not ok lending Jeff and maxwell his plane not ok the reality that many in Congress voted to surlress the evidence and not release the files and the doj even after Congress demanded its release continues to withheld certain files 

    there seems to be no accountability here and Trump can only engage in this for 90 days, so don't take the script from why we went into again paraphr6it and call it an argument for invading Iran.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2026 - 8:13 PM ET #57

    was the Iranian state freer before the fall of the shaw this is a pointed problem because the cleric took power through the dissent of the corruption and trafficking of women this ongoing problems with how Big oil firms deal with local populationz is a global concern. 

    and removal of a regime is easy but without necessary planning of how to replace that governing system or any realistic time table or goals just make anti middle defense such as Tesla very wealthy providing systems but after all the last person on the planet who wants peace is wropin makers. 

    I direct your attention to Dwight D Eisenhower farewell speech when he warned of what the war industry is robbing America, besides wraltbwe losing engineers businesses and rescue that could greatly improve conditions here to destroy another place so where no cares about 

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    was the Iranian state freer before the fall of the shaw this is a pointed problem because the cleric took power through the dissent of the corruption and trafficking of women this ongoing problems with how Big oil firms deal with local populationz is a global concern. 

    and removal of a regime is easy but without necessary planning of how to replace that governing system or any realistic time table or goals just make anti middle defense such as Tesla very wealthy providing systems but after all the last person on the planet who wants peace is wropin makers. 

    I direct your attention to Dwight D Eisenhower farewell speech when he warned of what the war industry is robbing America, besides wraltbwe losing engineers businesses and rescue that could greatly improve conditions here to destroy another place so where no cares about 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2026 - 8:33 PM ET #58

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       Put people in prison that break the law is not human rights abuse.  
       Not sure what you mean by ‘systemic random imprisonment’.  
       Plea deals are not a human rights abuse issue either. 
       I disagree that wars lead to lawless states.  Just look at where you live and the wars you have been involved with.  Revolutionary, War of 1812, WWI, WWII, etc.  What lawless states did they lead to.  
       Look at what has been done with North Korea over the past several years.  At times different tactics work with different countries.  
       But do you really think an Iran with nuclear capability would be as easy to deal with as North Korea. 
       When they say about a deal, “We will never conced what you cannot win militarily.” 
       That is a mindset that is backed up by proclaiming their intentions and supporting it openly.  
       What human traffickers are being supported.  The illegal alien ones. 
       Isn’t that one of the listed ‘non-violent’ offense now.  So, how can the Left even use that argument.  
       I agree that Trump had better have some serious ‘results’ — I think it had better be way sooner than 90 days.

     

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       Put people in prison that break the law is not human rights abuse.  
       Not sure what you mean by ‘systemic random imprisonment’.  
       Plea deals are not a human rights abuse issue either. 
       I disagree that wars lead to lawless states.  Just look at where you live and the wars you have been involved with.  Revolutionary, War of 1812, WWI, WWII, etc.  What lawless states did they lead to.  
       Look at what has been done with North Korea over the past several years.  At times different tactics work with different countries.  
       But do you really think an Iran with nuclear capability would be as easy to deal with as North Korea. 
       When they say about a deal, “We will never conced what you cannot win militarily.” 
       That is a mindset that is backed up by proclaiming their intentions and supporting it openly.  
       What human traffickers are being supported.  The illegal alien ones. 
       Isn’t that one of the listed ‘non-violent’ offense now.  So, how can the Left even use that argument.  
       I agree that Trump had better have some serious ‘results’ — I think it had better be way sooner than 90 days.

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2026 - 8:42 PM ET #59

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     was the Iranian state freer before the fall of the shaw

    Absolutely!  When they can wear jeans and listen to American pop music, etc.  
       
    and removal of a regime is easy but without necessary planning of how to replace that governing system or any realistic time table or goals just make

    Yessir. an_light

    You are correct.  This is the absolute best reason to question what is going on it it is your SOLE stated goal.  
       But if it is just a third, or fourth, leg of the stool for the reason it is not as big of a deterrent from trying to give the folks there a fairer chance to try.  As long as it is couple with other solid reasons. 
       You can take the philosophy back before Eisenhower.  Many have warned of these things.  
       Like I always say you had folks that voted against going into both WWI and WWII.  
       For some folks there are no good reasons. 
       For other folks there is an imbedded obligation to help those that are less fortunate.  
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     was the Iranian state freer before the fall of the shaw

    Absolutely!  When they can wear jeans and listen to American pop music, etc.  
       
    and removal of a regime is easy but without necessary planning of how to replace that governing system or any realistic time table or goals just make

    Yessir. an_light

    You are correct.  This is the absolute best reason to question what is going on it it is your SOLE stated goal.  
       But if it is just a third, or fourth, leg of the stool for the reason it is not as big of a deterrent from trying to give the folks there a fairer chance to try.  As long as it is couple with other solid reasons. 
       You can take the philosophy back before Eisenhower.  Many have warned of these things.  
       Like I always say you had folks that voted against going into both WWI and WWII.  
       For some folks there are no good reasons. 
       For other folks there is an imbedded obligation to help those that are less fortunate.  
    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2026 - 10:22 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @wallstreetcappers   Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @BigGame90    Oy so if I havent been there then it is like it doesnt happen even though others report and agencies report then if I havent interviewed people then its all smoke per your analysis? Following the money is exactly correct, the money and power is Israel and they own Trump and we can see how that spend has paid off with their zionist narrative. Iraq is like going to Disneyland I hear...everyone is free the cities are clean and the air is crisp the streets are paved in gold and there is no better place for someone to wish to live. I hear the same for Pakistan, for Afghanistan and Kuwait and that Gaza will be a big beautiful resort in the next six months. Why even reply when it lacks any value or thought?   If it's on the internet, it's true. Because nobody wants to change mind sets and narratives so everything on the internet is 100% true. If you want the actual truth, go talk to people. Not some people on here tho. This cannot be what you really believe I mean for you to openly deny reality by deflecting to say if I have not seen it then it does not exist is Trump style lunacy. What else do you have as to discussion outside if you have not seen it then it is not true?

     

    Your reality and perception is from the articles you read and the authors and media sites you choose to read from. Unless you live there and you've experienced it, or have close ties with people who are living through it, you are solely relying on the media outlets you get your information from. Are they 100% truthful and correct, or do they have an agenda? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @wallstreetcappers   Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @BigGame90    Oy so if I havent been there then it is like it doesnt happen even though others report and agencies report then if I havent interviewed people then its all smoke per your analysis? Following the money is exactly correct, the money and power is Israel and they own Trump and we can see how that spend has paid off with their zionist narrative. Iraq is like going to Disneyland I hear...everyone is free the cities are clean and the air is crisp the streets are paved in gold and there is no better place for someone to wish to live. I hear the same for Pakistan, for Afghanistan and Kuwait and that Gaza will be a big beautiful resort in the next six months. Why even reply when it lacks any value or thought?   If it's on the internet, it's true. Because nobody wants to change mind sets and narratives so everything on the internet is 100% true. If you want the actual truth, go talk to people. Not some people on here tho. This cannot be what you really believe I mean for you to openly deny reality by deflecting to say if I have not seen it then it does not exist is Trump style lunacy. What else do you have as to discussion outside if you have not seen it then it is not true?

     

    Your reality and perception is from the articles you read and the authors and media sites you choose to read from. Unless you live there and you've experienced it, or have close ties with people who are living through it, you are solely relying on the media outlets you get your information from. Are they 100% truthful and correct, or do they have an agenda? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Terrorism, huh? How about blowing up fishing boats? Is that terrorism? How about kidnapping the president of another country & then bombing said country? Is that terrorism? How about capturing cargo ships & not returning the contents to the rightful owner? Is that terrorism?  How about bombing 7 countries in the span of a year? Is that terrorism?  How about throwing Americans in jail because we don't believe as you do? Has this not terrorized American citizens across the country? 

    The joke is your contention that libs are going to be voted out,

    I think you are going to be quite sad this fall.

     

          peace_5   an_cheers DEMOCRACY! SANITY!  NO MORE FASCISM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Terrorism, huh? How about blowing up fishing boats? Is that terrorism? How about kidnapping the president of another country & then bombing said country? Is that terrorism? How about capturing cargo ships & not returning the contents to the rightful owner? Is that terrorism?  How about bombing 7 countries in the span of a year? Is that terrorism?  How about throwing Americans in jail because we don't believe as you do? Has this not terrorized American citizens across the country? 

    The joke is your contention that libs are going to be voted out,

    I think you are going to be quite sad this fall.

     

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    @nature1970    Put people in prison that break the law is not human rights abuse.     Not sure what you mean by ‘systemic random imprisonment’.     Plea deals are not a human rights abuse issue either.    I disagree that wars lead to lawless states.  Just look at where you live and the wars you have been involved with.  Revolutionary, War of 1812, WWI, WWII, etc.  What lawless states did they lead to.     Look at what has been done with North Korea over the past several years.  At times different tactics work with different countries.     But do you really think an Iran with nuclear capability would be as easy to deal with as North Korea.    When they say about a deal, “We will never conced what you cannot win militarily.”    That is a mindset that is backed up by proclaiming their intentions and supporting it openly.     What human traffickers are being supported.  The illegal alien ones.    Isn’t that one of the listed ‘non-violent’ offense now.  So, how can the Left even use that argument.     I agree that Trump had better have some serious ‘results’ — I think it had better be way sooner than 90 days.

    beating people into a confession is

    " Put people in prison that break the law is not human rights abuse." aka plea deals in ricker island

    Not sure what you mean by ‘systemic random imprisonment

    when you want a mans property destroying his family placing him in confinement and seizing property is not justice 

    North Korea has a working nuclear missile Iran does not so we attack Iran to stop the flow of oil and make ours worth more

    we support human trafficking, how many trap houses remain open where woman and men are taken and held in the glory hole? answer every city in America 

    we can do this all day tomorrow but at the end of this discussion it's about where does this go what is the end game, the Persian Gulf a fire and Russia and our oil valuable.

    everything else is propaganda peace_5

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @nature1970    Put people in prison that break the law is not human rights abuse.     Not sure what you mean by ‘systemic random imprisonment’.     Plea deals are not a human rights abuse issue either.    I disagree that wars lead to lawless states.  Just look at where you live and the wars you have been involved with.  Revolutionary, War of 1812, WWI, WWII, etc.  What lawless states did they lead to.     Look at what has been done with North Korea over the past several years.  At times different tactics work with different countries.     But do you really think an Iran with nuclear capability would be as easy to deal with as North Korea.    When they say about a deal, “We will never conced what you cannot win militarily.”    That is a mindset that is backed up by proclaiming their intentions and supporting it openly.     What human traffickers are being supported.  The illegal alien ones.    Isn’t that one of the listed ‘non-violent’ offense now.  So, how can the Left even use that argument.     I agree that Trump had better have some serious ‘results’ — I think it had better be way sooner than 90 days.

    beating people into a confession is

    " Put people in prison that break the law is not human rights abuse." aka plea deals in ricker island

    Not sure what you mean by ‘systemic random imprisonment

    when you want a mans property destroying his family placing him in confinement and seizing property is not justice 

    North Korea has a working nuclear missile Iran does not so we attack Iran to stop the flow of oil and make ours worth more

    we support human trafficking, how many trap houses remain open where woman and men are taken and held in the glory hole? answer every city in America 

    we can do this all day tomorrow but at the end of this discussion it's about where does this go what is the end game, the Persian Gulf a fire and Russia and our oil valuable.

    everything else is propaganda peace_5

     

     
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    so let's walk through these steps for seizing property 

    confine the man take the children into the foster fnn program and send the wife to the streets where she turns to drugs to cope and then blame her for her poor choices destroy the children so they end up in juvenile prison and laugh all the way to bank.

    did I miss something here

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    so let's walk through these steps for seizing property 

    confine the man take the children into the foster fnn program and send the wife to the streets where she turns to drugs to cope and then blame her for her poor choices destroy the children so they end up in juvenile prison and laugh all the way to bank.

    did I miss something here

     
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    Crude Oil 

    was under 50 three days later above 75, wti brent exchange 83

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    Crude Oil 

    was under 50 three days later above 75, wti brent exchange 83

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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2026 - 7:28 AM ET #66

    WTI crude oil futures pulled back below $75 per barrel on Wednesday after a three-day rally of nearly 14% that had pushed prices to a more than one-year high, driven by concerns over the Middle East conflict disrupting global energy flows. Gains eased following reports that Iranian intelligence officials had indirectly contacted the US via another country’s spy agency to discuss terms for ending the conflict, raising hopes of a potential de-escalation. The crisis has already forced major producers to halt output and severely limited traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. US President Donald Trump said the US International Development Finance Corporation would provide insurance for vessels and naval escorts if needed to secure energy shipments. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia reported an attempted attack on its Ras Tanura refinery and confirmed plans to divert supplies to the Red Sea to maintain operations, keeping markets focused on regional infrastructure risks.

    saudi arabia is moving commodity to Red Sea other gulf states are just watching as infrastructure burns and middle shipments are being delayed 

    senate begins debate of funding package for this geopolitical disaster 

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    WTI crude oil futures pulled back below $75 per barrel on Wednesday after a three-day rally of nearly 14% that had pushed prices to a more than one-year high, driven by concerns over the Middle East conflict disrupting global energy flows. Gains eased following reports that Iranian intelligence officials had indirectly contacted the US via another country’s spy agency to discuss terms for ending the conflict, raising hopes of a potential de-escalation. The crisis has already forced major producers to halt output and severely limited traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. US President Donald Trump said the US International Development Finance Corporation would provide insurance for vessels and naval escorts if needed to secure energy shipments. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia reported an attempted attack on its Ras Tanura refinery and confirmed plans to divert supplies to the Red Sea to maintain operations, keeping markets focused on regional infrastructure risks.

    saudi arabia is moving commodity to Red Sea other gulf states are just watching as infrastructure burns and middle shipments are being delayed 

    senate begins debate of funding package for this geopolitical disaster 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2026 - 8:07 AM ET #67

    in the meantime 

     

    ?? Iran is now in full control of this conflict, leaving Israel and United States with few good options, many of which are worsening by the hour.

    Especially, now that Iran is scoring direct hits against Tel Aviv with rapidly increasing frequency!

    During the first 72 hours, Iran deliberately fired outdated missiles and cheap drones as disposable decoys to drain Israeli air defense systems, knowing Israel and U.S. have only a limited supply of interceptor missiles.

    The strategy worked.

    Now Iran is advancing forward by deploying more its sophisticated ballistic missiles and advanced drones, which is raising risks and pressure on Israel and US.

    casualty list of us soldiers 

    WEST DES MOINES, Iowa — Sgt. 1st Class Nicole Amor was just days away from returning home to her husband and two children when a drone strike at a command center in Kuwait killed her and five other U.S. service members.

     

    “She was almost home,” her husband, Joey Amor, said from their home in White Bear Lake, Minnesota, on Tuesday. “You don’t go to Kuwait thinking something’s going to happen, and for her to be one of the first – it hurts.”

     

    Amor was one of four U.S. soldiers killed in the Iran conflict Sunday and identified Tuesday by the Pentagon; two soldiers haven't yet been publicly identified. The members of the Army Reserve worked in logistics and kept troops supplied with food and equipment.

     

    They died just one day after the U.S. and Israel launched its military campaign against Iran. Iran responded by launching missiles and drones against Israel and several Gulf Arab states that host U.S. armed forces.

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    in the meantime 

     

    ?? Iran is now in full control of this conflict, leaving Israel and United States with few good options, many of which are worsening by the hour.

    Especially, now that Iran is scoring direct hits against Tel Aviv with rapidly increasing frequency!

    During the first 72 hours, Iran deliberately fired outdated missiles and cheap drones as disposable decoys to drain Israeli air defense systems, knowing Israel and U.S. have only a limited supply of interceptor missiles.

    The strategy worked.

    Now Iran is advancing forward by deploying more its sophisticated ballistic missiles and advanced drones, which is raising risks and pressure on Israel and US.

    casualty list of us soldiers 

    WEST DES MOINES, Iowa — Sgt. 1st Class Nicole Amor was just days away from returning home to her husband and two children when a drone strike at a command center in Kuwait killed her and five other U.S. service members.

     

    “She was almost home,” her husband, Joey Amor, said from their home in White Bear Lake, Minnesota, on Tuesday. “You don’t go to Kuwait thinking something’s going to happen, and for her to be one of the first – it hurts.”

     

    Amor was one of four U.S. soldiers killed in the Iran conflict Sunday and identified Tuesday by the Pentagon; two soldiers haven't yet been publicly identified. The members of the Army Reserve worked in logistics and kept troops supplied with food and equipment.

     

    They died just one day after the U.S. and Israel launched its military campaign against Iran. Iran responded by launching missiles and drones against Israel and several Gulf Arab states that host U.S. armed forces.

     
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    @nature1970

     beating people into a confession is

    " Put people in prison that break the law is not human rights abuse." aka plea deals in ricker island

    Not sure what you mean by ‘systemic random imprisonment

    when you want a mans property destroying his family placing him in confinement and seizing property is not justice 

    You say this is systemic there?  Of course, this would be abusive.  But I have not seen anything eat all to make me think it is systemic.  There may be very, very isolated examples.

    But absolutely nothing on the scale of what was happening in Iran.

    peace_5

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    @nature1970

     beating people into a confession is

    " Put people in prison that break the law is not human rights abuse." aka plea deals in ricker island

    Not sure what you mean by ‘systemic random imprisonment

    when you want a mans property destroying his family placing him in confinement and seizing property is not justice 

    You say this is systemic there?  Of course, this would be abusive.  But I have not seen anything eat all to make me think it is systemic.  There may be very, very isolated examples.

    But absolutely nothing on the scale of what was happening in Iran.

    peace_5

     
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    @nature1970

     North Korea has a working nuclear missile Iran does not so we attack Iran to stop the flow of oil and make ours worth more

    Correct.  There is a huge discussion to be had about what should have been done to prevent or hinder that.  Then consider the results of the first Trump presidency and what happened with North Korea.  Different tactics work on different folks, etc.

    Now ask yourself, do you go ahead and allow a country that has proven to want to use them against folks to actually have them.

    That is not how the oil dynamic really works.  No one has stated that as even an ancillary goal.  

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    @nature1970

     North Korea has a working nuclear missile Iran does not so we attack Iran to stop the flow of oil and make ours worth more

    Correct.  There is a huge discussion to be had about what should have been done to prevent or hinder that.  Then consider the results of the first Trump presidency and what happened with North Korea.  Different tactics work on different folks, etc.

    Now ask yourself, do you go ahead and allow a country that has proven to want to use them against folks to actually have them.

    That is not how the oil dynamic really works.  No one has stated that as even an ancillary goal.  

     
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     we support human trafficking, how many trap houses remain open where woman and men are taken and held in the glory hole? answer every city in America 

    Who is 'we'?  The USA.  I am not sure what you mean.  They arrest folks all the time for that.  The only ones where it is not a 'violent offense' seems to be with illegals.

    I do not think the USA 'supports' that at all.  Just because it happens does not mean they support it or are not actively trying to stop it.

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    @nature1970

     we support human trafficking, how many trap houses remain open where woman and men are taken and held in the glory hole? answer every city in America 

    Who is 'we'?  The USA.  I am not sure what you mean.  They arrest folks all the time for that.  The only ones where it is not a 'violent offense' seems to be with illegals.

    I do not think the USA 'supports' that at all.  Just because it happens does not mean they support it or are not actively trying to stop it.

    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    so let's walk through these steps for seizing property  confine the man take the children into the foster fnn program and send the wife to the streets where she turns to drugs to cope and then blame her for her poor choices destroy the children so they end up in juvenile prison and laugh all the way to bank. did I miss something here

    Not sure what you are referring to here and how it relates to international issues.  Is this something domestic that is going on?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    so let's walk through these steps for seizing property  confine the man take the children into the foster fnn program and send the wife to the streets where she turns to drugs to cope and then blame her for her poor choices destroy the children so they end up in juvenile prison and laugh all the way to bank. did I miss something here

    Not sure what you are referring to here and how it relates to international issues.  Is this something domestic that is going on?

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    WTI crude oil futures pulled back below $75 per barrel on Wednesday after a three-day rally of nearly 14% that had pushed prices to a more than one-year high, driven by concerns over the Middle East conflict disrupting global energy flows. Gains eased following reports that Iranian intelligence officials had indirectly contacted the US via another country’s spy agency to discuss terms for ending the conflict, raising hopes of a potential de-escalation. The crisis has already forced major producers to halt output and severely limited traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. US President Donald Trump said the US International Development Finance Corporation would provide insurance for vessels and naval escorts if needed to secure energy shipments. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia reported an attempted attack on its Ras Tanura refinery and confirmed plans to divert supplies to the Red Sea to maintain operations, keeping markets focused on regional infrastructure risks. saudi arabia is moving commodity to Red Sea other gulf states are just watching as infrastructure burns and middle shipments are being delayed  senate begins debate of funding package for this geopolitical disaster

    Yessir.  I mentioned a couple of times that there would be opportunity here.  Oil is a notoriously sensitive commodity and volatile at any hint of disruption.

    Hopefully, it will settle down very soon. 

    Because even though there is opportunities with it -- it certainly hurts the average person's pocketbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    WTI crude oil futures pulled back below $75 per barrel on Wednesday after a three-day rally of nearly 14% that had pushed prices to a more than one-year high, driven by concerns over the Middle East conflict disrupting global energy flows. Gains eased following reports that Iranian intelligence officials had indirectly contacted the US via another country’s spy agency to discuss terms for ending the conflict, raising hopes of a potential de-escalation. The crisis has already forced major producers to halt output and severely limited traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. US President Donald Trump said the US International Development Finance Corporation would provide insurance for vessels and naval escorts if needed to secure energy shipments. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia reported an attempted attack on its Ras Tanura refinery and confirmed plans to divert supplies to the Red Sea to maintain operations, keeping markets focused on regional infrastructure risks. saudi arabia is moving commodity to Red Sea other gulf states are just watching as infrastructure burns and middle shipments are being delayed  senate begins debate of funding package for this geopolitical disaster

    Yessir.  I mentioned a couple of times that there would be opportunity here.  Oil is a notoriously sensitive commodity and volatile at any hint of disruption.

    Hopefully, it will settle down very soon. 

    Because even though there is opportunities with it -- it certainly hurts the average person's pocketbook.

     
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     Are you attempting to retort my assertion about the zionism which is going on right now and ever since Netty got back in the seat? It would be a good discussion to destroy every bit of retort you made but what good is that, you are not going to engage in discussion you just copy/paste and make generalities then point to your throng of experts to lay claim you are correct. I like discussion even if the person disagrees but you do not discuss you use other peoples words and then insult someone who disagrees with you.

    It looks paltry when your list of "friends" of Israel are those names, those are zero names in the region with little to no long term history and little skin in the game with regards to land siege and those names are not in the circle of death that we see Netty clawing at this very moment. The actions of Israel speak their intentions and motivations and who the crap cares about British oversight monarchy times, that almost was before you were even born. I remember the Shah but to me the Shah was similar to Saddam where the religious dangers were controlled by an non-related party and when that changes so did the dynamic. Even when the Shah was in control it wasnt that Iran was a democracy and that religion was not a volcano bubbling under the surface. The issue is religion, nothing else.

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     Are you attempting to retort my assertion about the zionism which is going on right now and ever since Netty got back in the seat? It would be a good discussion to destroy every bit of retort you made but what good is that, you are not going to engage in discussion you just copy/paste and make generalities then point to your throng of experts to lay claim you are correct. I like discussion even if the person disagrees but you do not discuss you use other peoples words and then insult someone who disagrees with you.

    It looks paltry when your list of "friends" of Israel are those names, those are zero names in the region with little to no long term history and little skin in the game with regards to land siege and those names are not in the circle of death that we see Netty clawing at this very moment. The actions of Israel speak their intentions and motivations and who the crap cares about British oversight monarchy times, that almost was before you were even born. I remember the Shah but to me the Shah was similar to Saddam where the religious dangers were controlled by an non-related party and when that changes so did the dynamic. Even when the Shah was in control it wasnt that Iran was a democracy and that religion was not a volcano bubbling under the surface. The issue is religion, nothing else.

     
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     It looks paltry when your list of "friends" of Israel are those names, those are zero names in the region with little to no long term history and little skin in the game

    What are you talking about here?

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     It looks paltry when your list of "friends" of Israel are those names, those are zero names in the region with little to no long term history and little skin in the game

    What are you talking about here?

     
     
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     Your cut and paste schtuff.

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     Your cut and paste schtuff.

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