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    AT&T Layofffs and tax cuts

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    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 6:47 AM ET #1

    As AT&T hails tax cut with bonuses for some workers, it hands pink slips to others.

     

    AT&T hailed the passage of the tax cut bill in Congress on Wednesday by announcing $1,000 bonuses to about 200,000 workers.

     

    200,000 workers x 1000 US dollars = 200 millions dollars 

     

    The telecommunications giant is also quietly laying off hundreds of others.

     

    AT&T announced that once the tax bill is signed into law it would add $1 billion to its capital budget and “pay a special $1,000 bonus to more than 200,000 AT&T U.S. employees — all union-represented, non-management and front-line managers.”

     

    “This tax reform will drive economic growth and create good-paying jobs,” AT&T chief executive Randall Stephenson said, according to CNBC.

     

    But The New York Post reports the company has laid off more than 700 DirecTV technicians. Said an AT&T spokesman: “We continue to align our workforce with the changing needs of the business. This includes some premises technician jobs.”

     

    Fox4 said the layoffs affect five states, including Missouri. The others are Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana and Ohio. It is not clear how many workers in the Kansas City area are affected.

     

    “This is a difficult pill to swallow,” Joseph Blanco, president of Local 6360 Communication Workers of America, told the TV station.

     

    AT&T says it plans to cut about 4,600 jobs, or 1.5% of its workforce, to shift resources to growing parts of its business.

     

     

    The job cuts, which are on top of a three-year plan to cut 10,000 jobs announced at the end of last year, come as it faces declining traditional phone sales and rising costs for deploying new, high-speed Internet and video services.

     

     

    1 billion - 200 millions = 800 millions dollars for AT&T fat cats + (4600 workers x each worker salary)

    The tax bill cut corporate taxes from 35 percent to 21 percent. AT&T’s current tax rate is 32.7 percent.

    will the average American tax payer get a permanent 14% tax cut

    Schumer, at a press conference on Wednesday, argued that the Republican tax reform bill will only increase corporations’ profits while doing nothing to benefit the average American worker...Oops. 

    The New York Democrat added, “Tax breaks don’t lead to job creation. They lead to big CEO salaries and money for the very, very wealthy.”.

    In the grand scheme of things, these bonuses represent  a fraction of what these corporations stand to make

     

     

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    As AT&T hails tax cut with bonuses for some workers, it hands pink slips to others.

     

    AT&T hailed the passage of the tax cut bill in Congress on Wednesday by announcing $1,000 bonuses to about 200,000 workers.

     

    200,000 workers x 1000 US dollars = 200 millions dollars 

     

    The telecommunications giant is also quietly laying off hundreds of others.

     

    AT&T announced that once the tax bill is signed into law it would add $1 billion to its capital budget and “pay a special $1,000 bonus to more than 200,000 AT&T U.S. employees — all union-represented, non-management and front-line managers.”

     

    “This tax reform will drive economic growth and create good-paying jobs,” AT&T chief executive Randall Stephenson said, according to CNBC.

     

    But The New York Post reports the company has laid off more than 700 DirecTV technicians. Said an AT&T spokesman: “We continue to align our workforce with the changing needs of the business. This includes some premises technician jobs.”

     

    Fox4 said the layoffs affect five states, including Missouri. The others are Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana and Ohio. It is not clear how many workers in the Kansas City area are affected.

     

    “This is a difficult pill to swallow,” Joseph Blanco, president of Local 6360 Communication Workers of America, told the TV station.

     

    AT&T says it plans to cut about 4,600 jobs, or 1.5% of its workforce, to shift resources to growing parts of its business.

     

     

    The job cuts, which are on top of a three-year plan to cut 10,000 jobs announced at the end of last year, come as it faces declining traditional phone sales and rising costs for deploying new, high-speed Internet and video services.

     

     

    1 billion - 200 millions = 800 millions dollars for AT&T fat cats + (4600 workers x each worker salary)

    The tax bill cut corporate taxes from 35 percent to 21 percent. AT&T’s current tax rate is 32.7 percent.

    will the average American tax payer get a permanent 14% tax cut

    Schumer, at a press conference on Wednesday, argued that the Republican tax reform bill will only increase corporations’ profits while doing nothing to benefit the average American worker...Oops. 

    The New York Democrat added, “Tax breaks don’t lead to job creation. They lead to big CEO salaries and money for the very, very wealthy.”.

    In the grand scheme of things, these bonuses represent  a fraction of what these corporations stand to make

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 6:48 AM ET #2

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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 8:14 AM ET #3

    Only the misinformed or blind party puppets actually think that tax cuts lead to job creation.

    Anyone with even ONE semester of business study knows this is a phony pathetic useless concept.

    Businesses hire based on demand for their services, not for any other reason. Hiring because you have more money but not the demand to actually use the labor you are hiring would mean these businesses are not capable of entry level analysis and I would short those public companies for the mere incompetence of that management team.

    But blind morons will listen to the politicians (who are also lacking in business accumen obviously) because they are too lazy to figure out if these words are actually real or not. 

    And spare me any reply of "these tax cuts will put more money into the hands of consumers and will drive demand" that is insulting to any intelligence I or others might have. The tax cuts are going to the top as they always do and the elite are not going to rush out and buy lower/middle class goods and services because they have more money in the bank. There is little to no history to prove that trickle down works. It failed when that dope Reagan tried, he had to raise taxes because deficits went through the roof (as they will here as well) and it will not work now.

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    Only the misinformed or blind party puppets actually think that tax cuts lead to job creation.

    Anyone with even ONE semester of business study knows this is a phony pathetic useless concept.

    Businesses hire based on demand for their services, not for any other reason. Hiring because you have more money but not the demand to actually use the labor you are hiring would mean these businesses are not capable of entry level analysis and I would short those public companies for the mere incompetence of that management team.

    But blind morons will listen to the politicians (who are also lacking in business accumen obviously) because they are too lazy to figure out if these words are actually real or not. 

    And spare me any reply of "these tax cuts will put more money into the hands of consumers and will drive demand" that is insulting to any intelligence I or others might have. The tax cuts are going to the top as they always do and the elite are not going to rush out and buy lower/middle class goods and services because they have more money in the bank. There is little to no history to prove that trickle down works. It failed when that dope Reagan tried, he had to raise taxes because deficits went through the roof (as they will here as well) and it will not work now.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 11:00 AM ET #4

    I worked on my reading comprehension before posting the following. Why was/is it better for me not to have more of the money I earn  in my pocket? With my lack of reading comprehension this seem to be a very difficult concept to understand.

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    I worked on my reading comprehension before posting the following. Why was/is it better for me not to have more of the money I earn  in my pocket? With my lack of reading comprehension this seem to be a very difficult concept to understand.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 11:45 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I worked on my reading comprehension before posting the following. Why was/is it better for me not to have more of the money I earn  in my pocket? With my lack of reading comprehension this seem to be a very difficult concept to understand.

    I think you need to have a tutor, the issue isnt you being better off having more money in your pocket, do you understand why this tax scam legislation is not at all about YOU or any little guys like us having more money?

    Politicians are slaves to corps and special interests..thats why most any piece of legislation takes up hundreds of pages and is filled with putrid add on garbage...because they sneak in perks for those whom they owe their existance. This tax throw up does little to nothing for the smaller player especially when you add back the COST of the "tax break" because we as tax payers are the ones who will pay for future deficits...just like how it happened with Unkie Ronnie.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I worked on my reading comprehension before posting the following. Why was/is it better for me not to have more of the money I earn  in my pocket? With my lack of reading comprehension this seem to be a very difficult concept to understand.

    I think you need to have a tutor, the issue isnt you being better off having more money in your pocket, do you understand why this tax scam legislation is not at all about YOU or any little guys like us having more money?

    Politicians are slaves to corps and special interests..thats why most any piece of legislation takes up hundreds of pages and is filled with putrid add on garbage...because they sneak in perks for those whom they owe their existance. This tax throw up does little to nothing for the smaller player especially when you add back the COST of the "tax break" because we as tax payers are the ones who will pay for future deficits...just like how it happened with Unkie Ronnie.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 11:52 AM ET #6

    Tax bill leans heavily toward tax cuts for corporations.
    Tax benefits for individuals will expire by 2025. Most corporations tx cuts are permanent.

    The bill would increase deficits by an estimated $1.46 trillion over a decade, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. That number would be much higher if, as Republicans assume, a future Congress does not allow the individual tax cuts to expire after 2025.

    It's also worth noting that the bill would not affect 2017 taxes (15-April-2018 due date) 

    Corporate tax cuts
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    from 35 percent to 21 percent.

    Individual Tax cuts
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    According to CNN

    The bill preserves seven tax brackets, but changes the rates that apply to: 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37%.

    Today's rates are 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33%, 35% and 39.6%.
    Here's how much income would apply to the new rates: 

    -- 10% (income up to $9,525 for individuals; up to $19,050 for married couples filing jointly) 

    -- 12% (over $9,525 to $38,700; over $19,050 to $77,400 for couples) 

    -- 22% (over $38,700 to $82,500; over $77,400 to $165,000 for couples) 

    -- 24% (over $82,500 to $157,500; over $165,000 to $315,000 for couples) 
    -- 32% (over $157,500 to $200,000; over $315,000 to $400,000 for couples) 

    -- 35% (over $200,000 to $500,000; over $400,000 to $600,000 for couples) 

    -- 37% (over $500,000; over $600,000 for couples)


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    Tax bill leans heavily toward tax cuts for corporations.
    Tax benefits for individuals will expire by 2025. Most corporations tx cuts are permanent.

    The bill would increase deficits by an estimated $1.46 trillion over a decade, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. That number would be much higher if, as Republicans assume, a future Congress does not allow the individual tax cuts to expire after 2025.

    It's also worth noting that the bill would not affect 2017 taxes (15-April-2018 due date) 

    Corporate tax cuts
    ==============
    from 35 percent to 21 percent.

    Individual Tax cuts
    ===============
    According to CNN

    The bill preserves seven tax brackets, but changes the rates that apply to: 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37%.

    Today's rates are 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33%, 35% and 39.6%.
    Here's how much income would apply to the new rates: 

    -- 10% (income up to $9,525 for individuals; up to $19,050 for married couples filing jointly) 

    -- 12% (over $9,525 to $38,700; over $19,050 to $77,400 for couples) 

    -- 22% (over $38,700 to $82,500; over $77,400 to $165,000 for couples) 

    -- 24% (over $82,500 to $157,500; over $165,000 to $315,000 for couples) 
    -- 32% (over $157,500 to $200,000; over $315,000 to $400,000 for couples) 

    -- 35% (over $200,000 to $500,000; over $400,000 to $600,000 for couples) 

    -- 37% (over $500,000; over $600,000 for couples)


     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 12:22 PM ET #7

    From my tutor wall. From my tutor. Why didn't the Dems throw their arms up in despair for 8 years while O spent 10T more than he brought in ? Now all of a sudden a 'supposed' and I mean 'supposed' 1.5T in deficit spending is an issue.

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    From my tutor wall. From my tutor. Why didn't the Dems throw their arms up in despair for 8 years while O spent 10T more than he brought in ? Now all of a sudden a 'supposed' and I mean 'supposed' 1.5T in deficit spending is an issue.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 2:26 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    From my tutor wall. From my tutor. Why didn't the Dems throw their arms up in despair for 8 years while O spent 10T more than he brought in ? Now all of a sudden a 'supposed' and I mean 'supposed' 1.5T in deficit spending is an issue.

     

    Ha I am no tutor and if I was to you I am failing miserably. 

    I am not too surprised you are falling back on Obama blaming again, it is your usual tactic, but that point has been addressed many times. There is some reality that irregardless of the POTUS that we allow lobbyists and corps to own our political process, so yeah it does not matter Trump or Obama or Bush or Clinton, the fact is when we make it such a high bar to be elected financially speaking the politicians OWE for the money they get, and those IOU's get called when in office, that is reality. We allow the process to be destroyed by corporate greed and theft. That will likely never change.

    I have said this many times, if the reality is our tax dollars are being chewed up by special interests, I would rather that money be dispersed to the lowest on the income chain vs the highest. That is very tough to do because lobbyists represent the elite, the little guy has nobody to represent them...nobody. I would say the only politician I can name that would give a fair shot to the little guy is Bernie Sanders. I dont know of any other who has the focus of the little guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    From my tutor wall. From my tutor. Why didn't the Dems throw their arms up in despair for 8 years while O spent 10T more than he brought in ? Now all of a sudden a 'supposed' and I mean 'supposed' 1.5T in deficit spending is an issue.

     

    Ha I am no tutor and if I was to you I am failing miserably. 

    I am not too surprised you are falling back on Obama blaming again, it is your usual tactic, but that point has been addressed many times. There is some reality that irregardless of the POTUS that we allow lobbyists and corps to own our political process, so yeah it does not matter Trump or Obama or Bush or Clinton, the fact is when we make it such a high bar to be elected financially speaking the politicians OWE for the money they get, and those IOU's get called when in office, that is reality. We allow the process to be destroyed by corporate greed and theft. That will likely never change.

    I have said this many times, if the reality is our tax dollars are being chewed up by special interests, I would rather that money be dispersed to the lowest on the income chain vs the highest. That is very tough to do because lobbyists represent the elite, the little guy has nobody to represent them...nobody. I would say the only politician I can name that would give a fair shot to the little guy is Bernie Sanders. I dont know of any other who has the focus of the little guy.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 3:22 PM ET #9

    If AT&T has stacks of $ sitting around and stupid people like me don't want to sign up to Direct TV for their over-priced services,AT&T should just pay the union installers of those little dishes to harrass me in the Walmart and keep them on the payroll?

    The BS above ^ is Progressive blah-blah-woof-woof.
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    If AT&T has stacks of $ sitting around and stupid people like me don't want to sign up to Direct TV for their over-priced services,AT&T should just pay the union installers of those little dishes to harrass me in the Walmart and keep them on the payroll?

    The BS above ^ is Progressive blah-blah-woof-woof.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 3:31 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    If AT&T has stacks of $ sitting around and stupid people like me don't want to sign up to Direct TV for their over-priced services,AT&T should just pay the union installers of those little dishes to harrass me in the Walmart and keep them on the payroll?The BS above ^ is Progressive blah-blah-woof-woof.

     

    Sharp logic...yeah I am P-O-S-I-T-I-V-E that the guys T are letting go are those marketers in Walmart, you know since they are marketers and are sales people...and that is the same as a technician right? The job is union and so it must be low skill, so after those Walmart sales guys do 4 hrs at a store, then THEY go and install the stuff they sell. Makes sense....good logic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    If AT&T has stacks of $ sitting around and stupid people like me don't want to sign up to Direct TV for their over-priced services,AT&T should just pay the union installers of those little dishes to harrass me in the Walmart and keep them on the payroll?The BS above ^ is Progressive blah-blah-woof-woof.

     

    Sharp logic...yeah I am P-O-S-I-T-I-V-E that the guys T are letting go are those marketers in Walmart, you know since they are marketers and are sales people...and that is the same as a technician right? The job is union and so it must be low skill, so after those Walmart sales guys do 4 hrs at a store, then THEY go and install the stuff they sell. Makes sense....good logic!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 4:07 PM ET #11

    But The New York Post reports the company has laid off more than 700 DirecTV technicians. Said an AT&T spokesman: “We continue to align our workforce with the changing needs of the business. This includes some premises technician jobs.”

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    DirecTv is having a worse year than the NFL. People are fed up with them and dropping them at a record pace and this is why their laying off 700 technicians.

    Nice job trying to pin that on the Tax cuts. AT&T bought the modern equivalent of the last company that made buggy whips when they purchased DirecTv.
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    But The New York Post reports the company has laid off more than 700 DirecTV technicians. Said an AT&T spokesman: “We continue to align our workforce with the changing needs of the business. This includes some premises technician jobs.”

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    DirecTv is having a worse year than the NFL. People are fed up with them and dropping them at a record pace and this is why their laying off 700 technicians.

    Nice job trying to pin that on the Tax cuts. AT&T bought the modern equivalent of the last company that made buggy whips when they purchased DirecTv.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2017 - 6:47 PM ET #12

    US corporate tax code includes many loopholes, which already enable big corporations to pay between 13 and 21 percent (lower than current 35 percent).

    According to the Congressional Budget Office,  US current corporate tax rate is about 18.6, which is much lower than that of some European and Asian countries.


    1) How many Americans earn between 470,000 and 600,000 ?

    2) Threshold for the estate tax was also doubled

    How many of this tax bill supporters can pass down up to 22 millions dollars per married couple to their heirs tax-free ? it used to be 11 millions 


    This tax cut benefits top earners permanently.
    Middle class will suffer in the long run .


     The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimates that the average break would be about $1,600 in 2018, but the biggest break, calculated as a share of after-income tax, would go to those families making between $308,000 and $733,000. Those in the middle class would see a tax break of about $900, and lower incomes would see even less of a break. In short, everyone would get a small temporary break, but the biggest tax relief would go to those who make more. As the TPC says, “For middle-income people, an extra $900 would pay for about seven months of gas. By contrast, those in the top one percent could pick up a nice Mercedes C Class Coupe with their $50,000+ average tax cut.”  
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    US corporate tax code includes many loopholes, which already enable big corporations to pay between 13 and 21 percent (lower than current 35 percent).

    According to the Congressional Budget Office,  US current corporate tax rate is about 18.6, which is much lower than that of some European and Asian countries.


    1) How many Americans earn between 470,000 and 600,000 ?

    2) Threshold for the estate tax was also doubled

    How many of this tax bill supporters can pass down up to 22 millions dollars per married couple to their heirs tax-free ? it used to be 11 millions 


    This tax cut benefits top earners permanently.
    Middle class will suffer in the long run .


     The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimates that the average break would be about $1,600 in 2018, but the biggest break, calculated as a share of after-income tax, would go to those families making between $308,000 and $733,000. Those in the middle class would see a tax break of about $900, and lower incomes would see even less of a break. In short, everyone would get a small temporary break, but the biggest tax relief would go to those who make more. As the TPC says, “For middle-income people, an extra $900 would pay for about seven months of gas. By contrast, those in the top one percent could pick up a nice Mercedes C Class Coupe with their $50,000+ average tax cut.”  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 12:43 AM ET #13

    Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I) slammed the GOP tax bill in a new column, calling it an “economically indefensible blunder that will harm our future.”

    “Last month a Wall Street Journal editor asked a room full of CEOs to raise their hands if the corporate tax cut being considered in Congress would lead them to invest more. Very few hands went up,” Bloomberg wrote in a Bloomberg op-ed. “Attending was Gary Cohn, President Donald Trump's economic adviser and a friend of mine. He asked: ‘Why aren't the other hands up?’

    “Allow me to answer that: We don't need the money.”


    Bloomberg also slammed the bill’s nearly $1.5 trillion impact on the national deficit.

    “Ignoring the bill's price tag, or pretending we needn't worry about deficits, is like ignoring climate change or pretending we needn't worry about its effects,” he wrote. “I’ll say one thing for Republicans in Congress: They're consistent.”

    The tax bill “hand[s] corporations big tax cuts they don’t need,” according to Bloomberg, “while lowering the tax rate paid by those of us in the top bracket and allowing the wealthy to shelter more of their estates.”


    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/365076-bloomberg-goes-off-on-gop-tax-bill-we-ceos-dont-need-the-money


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    Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I) slammed the GOP tax bill in a new column, calling it an “economically indefensible blunder that will harm our future.”

    “Last month a Wall Street Journal editor asked a room full of CEOs to raise their hands if the corporate tax cut being considered in Congress would lead them to invest more. Very few hands went up,” Bloomberg wrote in a Bloomberg op-ed. “Attending was Gary Cohn, President Donald Trump's economic adviser and a friend of mine. He asked: ‘Why aren't the other hands up?’

    “Allow me to answer that: We don't need the money.”


    Bloomberg also slammed the bill’s nearly $1.5 trillion impact on the national deficit.

    “Ignoring the bill's price tag, or pretending we needn't worry about deficits, is like ignoring climate change or pretending we needn't worry about its effects,” he wrote. “I’ll say one thing for Republicans in Congress: They're consistent.”

    The tax bill “hand[s] corporations big tax cuts they don’t need,” according to Bloomberg, “while lowering the tax rate paid by those of us in the top bracket and allowing the wealthy to shelter more of their estates.”


    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/365076-bloomberg-goes-off-on-gop-tax-bill-we-ceos-dont-need-the-money


     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 8:10 AM ET #14


    bigreds daddy
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 8:12 AM ET #15

    https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2016-update/

    read it and weep ... 


    bigreds daddy
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    https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2016-update/

    read it and weep ... 


     
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    Posted: Dec. 26, 2017 - 6:23 PM ET #16

    MAGA!
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    MAGA!
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 26, 2017 - 8:35 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by faceoff:

     

    THANK YOU MR. TRUMP FOR MAKING AMERICA GREAT... Even having to fight the fake news and horrible, angry and disgusting commie-liberal-socialist-facists on the left....



    ......and the Deep State.

      MAGA  
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    Quote Originally Posted by faceoff:

     

    THANK YOU MR. TRUMP FOR MAKING AMERICA GREAT... Even having to fight the fake news and horrible, angry and disgusting commie-liberal-socialist-facists on the left....



    ......and the Deep State.

      MAGA  
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