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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 8:27 AM ET #251

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    @DogbiteWilliams  Trump's campaign pitches xenophobia to lure only his hard core base.  On the other hand, the Kamala Harris coalition consists of much broader groups as such women, minority, college educated white men, moderate Republicans, naturalized US citizens, Gen Z, first time voters... and so on.

     

    Voter turnout in the battleground states will be key....

    an_light Will the FASCIST candidate drive out more voters with his racist appeals, or will the Pro-Democracy/Freedom candidate prevail with her multi-faceted common-sense appeal...

    We find out in a week - give or take... an_nailbiter

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    @DogbiteWilliams  Trump's campaign pitches xenophobia to lure only his hard core base.  On the other hand, the Kamala Harris coalition consists of much broader groups as such women, minority, college educated white men, moderate Republicans, naturalized US citizens, Gen Z, first time voters... and so on.

     

    Voter turnout in the battleground states will be key....

    an_light Will the FASCIST candidate drive out more voters with his racist appeals, or will the Pro-Democracy/Freedom candidate prevail with her multi-faceted common-sense appeal...

    We find out in a week - give or take... an_nailbiter

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 11:39 AM ET #252

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: @DogbiteWilliams  Trump's campaign pitches xenophobia to lure only his hard core base.  On the other hand, the Kamala Harris coalition consists of much broader groups as such women, minority, college educated white men, moderate Republicans, naturalized US citizens, Gen Z, first time voters... and so on.   Voter turnout in the battleground states will be key.... Will the FASCIST candidate drive out more voters with his racist appeals, or will the Pro-Democracy/Freedom candidate prevail with her multi-faceted common-sense appeal... We find out in a week - give or take...

    Trump -190

    Harris +165

    "We're the underdogs."--VP Kamala Harris

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: @DogbiteWilliams  Trump's campaign pitches xenophobia to lure only his hard core base.  On the other hand, the Kamala Harris coalition consists of much broader groups as such women, minority, college educated white men, moderate Republicans, naturalized US citizens, Gen Z, first time voters... and so on.   Voter turnout in the battleground states will be key.... Will the FASCIST candidate drive out more voters with his racist appeals, or will the Pro-Democracy/Freedom candidate prevail with her multi-faceted common-sense appeal... We find out in a week - give or take...

    Trump -190

    Harris +165

    "We're the underdogs."--VP Kamala Harris

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 11:59 AM ET #253

    PINNY UPDATED ODDS with exactly one week to Election day

    Trump -201

    Harris +178

    Trump has now crossed over the -200 threshold which makes him a big favorite to win the Presidency.  Already got $2K invested in TRUMP when he was close to EV back a while ago.

    Looking at individual states:

    Arizona

    TRUMP -299/Harris +240

    Florida

    TRUMP -2000/Harris +1249 (If you want free money with no sweating but terrible odds, this is the definition of free money, TRUMP wins FLORIDA easily, at least 70-30. 

    Georgia

    TRUMP -249/Harris +200

    Michigan

    TRUMP +102/Harris -123 (this is a big swing, Harris odds were -150 or so just a couple weeks ago to carry Michigan, now its pretty much even. 

    Nevada

    TRUMP -193/Harris +158

    New Hampshire

    TRUMP +385/Harris -525 (another definition of FREE money but bad odds however Harris should easily carry New Hampshire)

    North Carolina

    TRUMP -155/Harris +200

    Pennsylvania

    Trump -155/Harris +128 - This is a BIG sign here.  Trump at those odds is expected to carry Pennsylvania.  The election runs through Pennsylvania and I truly believe whoever wins this state will have a 75% chance of winning the Presidency.  If you want to back TRUMP for president but dont want to lay -201 odds, this is a good option. 

    Virginia

    Trump +432/Harris -657 - Interesting odds here.  I may have to throw half a unit on Trump here at those odds.  While I do think Harris carries Virginia I think its going to be close

    Wisonsin

    Trump -132/Harris +109 - Another strong sign here.  Jut like Michigan, Harris was the clear favorite to carry Wisconsin a few weeks ago now she is a dog.

    Popular Vote

    Trump +158/Harris -185 - While Trump is favored to win the Presidency, the oddsmakers/public still expect Harris to carry the popular vote. 

    Trump to win both Pennsylvania and Michigan

    YES +139/NO -175  - Interesting prop here. 

    Trump to win both Michigan and Wisconsin

    YES +159/NO -202

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    PINNY UPDATED ODDS with exactly one week to Election day

    Trump -201

    Harris +178

    Trump has now crossed over the -200 threshold which makes him a big favorite to win the Presidency.  Already got $2K invested in TRUMP when he was close to EV back a while ago.

    Looking at individual states:

    Arizona

    TRUMP -299/Harris +240

    Florida

    TRUMP -2000/Harris +1249 (If you want free money with no sweating but terrible odds, this is the definition of free money, TRUMP wins FLORIDA easily, at least 70-30. 

    Georgia

    TRUMP -249/Harris +200

    Michigan

    TRUMP +102/Harris -123 (this is a big swing, Harris odds were -150 or so just a couple weeks ago to carry Michigan, now its pretty much even. 

    Nevada

    TRUMP -193/Harris +158

    New Hampshire

    TRUMP +385/Harris -525 (another definition of FREE money but bad odds however Harris should easily carry New Hampshire)

    North Carolina

    TRUMP -155/Harris +200

    Pennsylvania

    Trump -155/Harris +128 - This is a BIG sign here.  Trump at those odds is expected to carry Pennsylvania.  The election runs through Pennsylvania and I truly believe whoever wins this state will have a 75% chance of winning the Presidency.  If you want to back TRUMP for president but dont want to lay -201 odds, this is a good option. 

    Virginia

    Trump +432/Harris -657 - Interesting odds here.  I may have to throw half a unit on Trump here at those odds.  While I do think Harris carries Virginia I think its going to be close

    Wisonsin

    Trump -132/Harris +109 - Another strong sign here.  Jut like Michigan, Harris was the clear favorite to carry Wisconsin a few weeks ago now she is a dog.

    Popular Vote

    Trump +158/Harris -185 - While Trump is favored to win the Presidency, the oddsmakers/public still expect Harris to carry the popular vote. 

    Trump to win both Pennsylvania and Michigan

    YES +139/NO -175  - Interesting prop here. 

    Trump to win both Michigan and Wisconsin

    YES +159/NO -202

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 3:30 PM ET #254

    Trump is back down to 53% at 538.  53/47 = -113.  Trump bettors laying -201 at Pinnacle are certainly saddling themselves with a horrible negative expected value.

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    Trump is back down to 53% at 538.  53/47 = -113.  Trump bettors laying -201 at Pinnacle are certainly saddling themselves with a horrible negative expected value.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 3:45 PM ET #255

    Trump has climbed to 62.9% at EBO.

    https://electionbettingodds.com/

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    Trump has climbed to 62.9% at EBO.

    https://electionbettingodds.com/

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 3:55 PM ET #256

    "Poll finds Harris expanding her lead with young Black men"

    Overall, Harris’s support among young Black men increased from 59 percent to 69 percent between Oct. 4 and Oct. 19.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4956765-vice-president-harris-black-voters/

     

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    "Poll finds Harris expanding her lead with young Black men"

    Overall, Harris’s support among young Black men increased from 59 percent to 69 percent between Oct. 4 and Oct. 19.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4956765-vice-president-harris-black-voters/

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 5:26 PM ET #257

    I got this from Fox Bullshxt and Propaganda, so even the right-wingers should swallow this bitter pill.

    Trump's edge with non-college white voters in MI, PA and WI:

    2016  +25

    2020  +22

    2024  +19

    "[CNN data reporter Harry] Enten said that the shift mattered because the non-college educated White voters make up 40% of the electorate nationally, but 51% of the electorate in the key battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin."

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/non-college-educated-white-voters-keeping-kamala-harris-in-game-cnn-data-reporter-says

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    I got this from Fox Bullshxt and Propaganda, so even the right-wingers should swallow this bitter pill.

    Trump's edge with non-college white voters in MI, PA and WI:

    2016  +25

    2020  +22

    2024  +19

    "[CNN data reporter Harry] Enten said that the shift mattered because the non-college educated White voters make up 40% of the electorate nationally, but 51% of the electorate in the key battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin."

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/non-college-educated-white-voters-keeping-kamala-harris-in-game-cnn-data-reporter-says

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 9:21 PM ET #258

    The idea that young people are moving sharply right is dead wrong.  The current Gen Z gender gap is pretty solidly Blue (many chose "Someone Else" or "Would Not Vote"):

     

    Men  Harris 42%, Trump 40%

    Women  Harris 59%, Trump 26%

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/breaking-down-gender-gap-gen-z-politics-desk-rcna177155

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    The idea that young people are moving sharply right is dead wrong.  The current Gen Z gender gap is pretty solidly Blue (many chose "Someone Else" or "Would Not Vote"):

     

    Men  Harris 42%, Trump 40%

    Women  Harris 59%, Trump 26%

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/breaking-down-gender-gap-gen-z-politics-desk-rcna177155

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 10:01 PM ET #259

    I have been frequently citing 538 as if their analysis of the 282 pollsters they cover is mostly accurate.  Well, I have to admit I may have made a colossal mistake.

    538 rates AtlasIntel as the 22nd most accurate pollster.  However AI's latest poll can only be described as an "outlandish outlier."  It has Trump up by 2%-3% depending on whether or not Stein is included.  The cross tabs tell the story; the poll has Women leaning Red - Trump 48.5%, Harris 47.9%.

    I apologize in advance if any of your actual bets were influenced by 538's aggregates.  I know Republican megadonor Peter Thiel owns some or all of 538; maybe money has influenced Nate Silver.

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    I have been frequently citing 538 as if their analysis of the 282 pollsters they cover is mostly accurate.  Well, I have to admit I may have made a colossal mistake.

    538 rates AtlasIntel as the 22nd most accurate pollster.  However AI's latest poll can only be described as an "outlandish outlier."  It has Trump up by 2%-3% depending on whether or not Stein is included.  The cross tabs tell the story; the poll has Women leaning Red - Trump 48.5%, Harris 47.9%.

    I apologize in advance if any of your actual bets were influenced by 538's aggregates.  I know Republican megadonor Peter Thiel owns some or all of 538; maybe money has influenced Nate Silver.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 10:49 PM ET #260

    I watched the relevant podcast and Political Wire poster MostlyOptimistic accurately summed up MD said:

    "Meanwhile, Matthew Dowd looked into the NC early voting data where 35-38% have already voted.

    A poll today, that broke out that data of the 35-38% NC early voters has Kamala at 50-47 over the Turd..

    When you look at those who voted in that sample, the R’s have a slight advantage in the sample of those early voters.

    Bottom Line…Kamala is bleeding off more R’s and I’s than what pollsters and experts were thinking…That is the only way she can have a 3 point advantage over the Turd with more R’s having already early voted."

    *******

    If MD's figures and analysis are accurate, that could be a harbinger of doom for Trump.  He can ill afford to lose NC without grabbing a Blue Wall state (WI, MI or PA).  Sharp analysis of actual votes should prove more accurate than betting markets.

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    I watched the relevant podcast and Political Wire poster MostlyOptimistic accurately summed up MD said:

    "Meanwhile, Matthew Dowd looked into the NC early voting data where 35-38% have already voted.

    A poll today, that broke out that data of the 35-38% NC early voters has Kamala at 50-47 over the Turd..

    When you look at those who voted in that sample, the R’s have a slight advantage in the sample of those early voters.

    Bottom Line…Kamala is bleeding off more R’s and I’s than what pollsters and experts were thinking…That is the only way she can have a 3 point advantage over the Turd with more R’s having already early voted."

    *******

    If MD's figures and analysis are accurate, that could be a harbinger of doom for Trump.  He can ill afford to lose NC without grabbing a Blue Wall state (WI, MI or PA).  Sharp analysis of actual votes should prove more accurate than betting markets.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 11:03 PM ET #261

    Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment

    President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports.

    The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday.

    Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.”

    https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment

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    What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings.

     

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    Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment

    President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports.

    The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday.

    Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.”

    https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment

    *******

    What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2024 - 12:00 AM ET #262

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     Kamala was a poor choice , name calling is all the Democrats have left now

     it is pathetic for the  US President to insult his own people instead of trying to unite them 

     it will backfire on a magnitude they haven't seen since Hillary called Trump Supporters  "Deplorables"  , "Garbage" might be worse 

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     Kamala was a poor choice , name calling is all the Democrats have left now

     it is pathetic for the  US President to insult his own people instead of trying to unite them 

     it will backfire on a magnitude they haven't seen since Hillary called Trump Supporters  "Deplorables"  , "Garbage" might be worse 

     
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    btw all attempts to claim he did not say this , the video is out 

    direct quote : " The only garbage i see floating out there is his supporters" 

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    btw all attempts to claim he did not say this , the video is out 

    direct quote : " The only garbage i see floating out there is his supporters" 

    Joe Biden / October 29 , 2024 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports. The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday. Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.” https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment ******* What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings.

    Agreed, DogbiteWilliams. It's the similar silly and hurtful speech as the speaker in Trump's Madison Square rally called Porto Rico an “island of garbage”. Biden's "garbage" comment is unnecessary and harmful, he should not speak as such. Don't go around, Biden just apologizes it in contrast to Trump who rarely apologized after he spewed vulgar and offensive words to people.    

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    Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports. The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday. Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.” https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment ******* What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings.

    Agreed, DogbiteWilliams. It's the similar silly and hurtful speech as the speaker in Trump's Madison Square rally called Porto Rico an “island of garbage”. Biden's "garbage" comment is unnecessary and harmful, he should not speak as such. Don't go around, Biden just apologizes it in contrast to Trump who rarely apologized after he spewed vulgar and offensive words to people.    

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports. The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday. Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.” https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment ******* What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings. Agreed, DogbiteWilliams. It's the similar silly and hurtful speech as the speaker in Trump's Madison Square rally called Porto Rico an “island of garbage”. Biden's "garbage" comment is unnecessary and harmful, he should not speak as such. Don't go around, Biden just apologizes it in contrast to Trump who rarely apologized after he spewed vulgar and offensive words to people.

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     Exactly!

    Or calling our country a garbage can  (just because he is an obvious racist)

    Or calling legal immigrants "vermin" who "are poisoning the blood of our nation"

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports. The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday. Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.” https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment ******* What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings. Agreed, DogbiteWilliams. It's the similar silly and hurtful speech as the speaker in Trump's Madison Square rally called Porto Rico an “island of garbage”. Biden's "garbage" comment is unnecessary and harmful, he should not speak as such. Don't go around, Biden just apologizes it in contrast to Trump who rarely apologized after he spewed vulgar and offensive words to people.

    @Europa

     Exactly!

    Or calling our country a garbage can  (just because he is an obvious racist)

    Or calling legal immigrants "vermin" who "are poisoning the blood of our nation"

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports. The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday. Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.” https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment ******* What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings. Agreed, DogbiteWilliams. It's the similar silly and hurtful speech as the speaker in Trump's Madison Square rally called Porto Rico an “island of garbage”. Biden's "garbage" comment is unnecessary and harmful, he should not speak as such. Don't go around, Biden just apologizes it in contrast to Trump who rarely apologized after he spewed vulgar and offensive words to people.

    I cannot claim to have listened to or read about every one of Trump's comments (I am NOT a masochist), but if he ever apologized for vulgar and/or offensive words, it  would have been front-page news.  Sociopaths lack empathy, so they don't recognize when their words or deeds have hurt someone, and they sure as hell don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports. The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday. Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.” https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment ******* What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings. Agreed, DogbiteWilliams. It's the similar silly and hurtful speech as the speaker in Trump's Madison Square rally called Porto Rico an “island of garbage”. Biden's "garbage" comment is unnecessary and harmful, he should not speak as such. Don't go around, Biden just apologizes it in contrast to Trump who rarely apologized after he spewed vulgar and offensive words to people.

    I cannot claim to have listened to or read about every one of Trump's comments (I am NOT a masochist), but if he ever apologized for vulgar and/or offensive words, it  would have been front-page news.  Sociopaths lack empathy, so they don't recognize when their words or deeds have hurt someone, and they sure as hell don't care.

     
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    Yes, by comparing in terms of spewing vulgar, discriminating and hateful language, Trump just champions all of the current politicians, I perceive. 

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    Yes, by comparing in terms of spewing vulgar, discriminating and hateful language, Trump just champions all of the current politicians, I perceive. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports. The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday. Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.” https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment ******* What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings. Agreed, DogbiteWilliams. It's the similar silly and hurtful speech as the speaker in Trump's Madison Square rally called Porto Rico an “island of garbage”. Biden's "garbage" comment is unnecessary and harmful, he should not speak as such. Don't go around, Biden just apologizes it in contrast to Trump who rarely apologized after he spewed vulgar and offensive words to people. I cannot claim to have listened to or read about every one of Trump's comments (I am NOT a masochist), but if he ever apologized for vulgar and/or offensive words, it  would have been front-page news.  Sociopaths lack empathy, so they don't recognize when their words or deeds have hurt someone, and they sure as hell don't care.

    I agree with you again. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports. The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday. Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.” https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment ******* What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings. Agreed, DogbiteWilliams. It's the similar silly and hurtful speech as the speaker in Trump's Madison Square rally called Porto Rico an “island of garbage”. Biden's "garbage" comment is unnecessary and harmful, he should not speak as such. Don't go around, Biden just apologizes it in contrast to Trump who rarely apologized after he spewed vulgar and offensive words to people. I cannot claim to have listened to or read about every one of Trump's comments (I am NOT a masochist), but if he ever apologized for vulgar and/or offensive words, it  would have been front-page news.  Sociopaths lack empathy, so they don't recognize when their words or deeds have hurt someone, and they sure as hell don't care.

    I agree with you again. 

     
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    See Comment #259 as a reminder why 538's aggregates may not be the gospel.

    However 538 now has Trump now at just 52% when, using the same type of accurate, misleading or worthless analysis, it had him at 54% just yesterday.  This could just be short-term fluctutations, and maybe the main thing to await would be a PA crossover.

    538 had PA at D +0.7 when I started monitoring the seven swing states at 538 on 2024-10-14.  It crossed over to a peak of R +0.6 and is currently at R +0.3.

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    See Comment #259 as a reminder why 538's aggregates may not be the gospel.

    However 538 now has Trump now at just 52% when, using the same type of accurate, misleading or worthless analysis, it had him at 54% just yesterday.  This could just be short-term fluctutations, and maybe the main thing to await would be a PA crossover.

    538 had PA at D +0.7 when I started monitoring the seven swing states at 538 on 2024-10-14.  It crossed over to a peak of R +0.6 and is currently at R +0.3.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports. The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday. Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.” https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment ******* What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings. Agreed, DogbiteWilliams. It's the similar silly and hurtful speech as the speaker in Trump's Madison Square rally called Porto Rico an “island of garbage”. Biden's "garbage" comment is unnecessary and harmful, he should not speak as such. Don't go around, Biden just apologizes it in contrast to Trump who rarely apologized after he spewed vulgar and offensive words to people. @Europa  Exactly! Or calling our country a garbage can  (just because he is an obvious racist) Or calling legal immigrants "vermin" who "are poisoning the blood of our nation"

     

    once again , you are spreading lies and Propaganda , with full intent ! how is this guy allowed to act in this forum like the second coming of Reichs-Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels ???

     

    Trump said other countries treat the US like a garbage can by sending the worst of the worst into the US as so called refugees or migrants 

    Context matters , Goebbels 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: Biden Sets Off Firestorm with ‘Garbage’ Comment President Biden handed ammo to gleeful Republicans Tuesday night when he seemed to refer to Donald Trump’s supporters as “garbage,” Axios reports. The comment came when Biden wanted to respond to a comedian calling Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday. Said Biden: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.” https://politicalwire.com/2024/10/29/biden-sets-off-firestorm-with-garbage-comment ******* What a stupid thing to say.  It's like a football team handing their upcoming opponent billboard material with bonehead insults or overconfident ravings. Agreed, DogbiteWilliams. It's the similar silly and hurtful speech as the speaker in Trump's Madison Square rally called Porto Rico an “island of garbage”. Biden's "garbage" comment is unnecessary and harmful, he should not speak as such. Don't go around, Biden just apologizes it in contrast to Trump who rarely apologized after he spewed vulgar and offensive words to people. @Europa  Exactly! Or calling our country a garbage can  (just because he is an obvious racist) Or calling legal immigrants "vermin" who "are poisoning the blood of our nation"

     

    once again , you are spreading lies and Propaganda , with full intent ! how is this guy allowed to act in this forum like the second coming of Reichs-Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels ???

     

    Trump said other countries treat the US like a garbage can by sending the worst of the worst into the US as so called refugees or migrants 

    Context matters , Goebbels 

     
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    even Goebbels won't be able to water down todays event in which the sitting President of the United States called half , if not more  of his own countrymen GARBAGE 

    there is no excuse , like the usual he misspoke , he said it ,  he meant it , recorded and documented  , GARBAGE 

     

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    even Goebbels won't be able to water down todays event in which the sitting President of the United States called half , if not more  of his own countrymen GARBAGE 

    there is no excuse , like the usual he misspoke , he said it ,  he meant it , recorded and documented  , GARBAGE 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    @fubah2 Yes, by comparing in terms of spewing vulgar, discriminating and hateful language, Trump just champions all of the current politicians, I perceive.

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    YEP!   He is truly the worst.

     

     

     

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    @fubah2 Yes, by comparing in terms of spewing vulgar, discriminating and hateful language, Trump just champions all of the current politicians, I perceive.

    @Europa

    YEP!   He is truly the worst.

     

     

     

     
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    Trump is down to 51% at 538.  Harris' probability improved by 0.1% or 0.2% in 6 of the 7 swing states; Trump's chance fell from +2.1% to +1.8% in AZ.

     

    In vital PA the Trump edge fell from +0.3% to +0.1%.

    One of the guests on this Sunday's Meet the Press or This Week said that the Republican campaign officials were confident and the Democratic campaign officials were nervous.  I think they'll all be wrong.

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    Trump is down to 51% at 538.  Harris' probability improved by 0.1% or 0.2% in 6 of the 7 swing states; Trump's chance fell from +2.1% to +1.8% in AZ.

     

    In vital PA the Trump edge fell from +0.3% to +0.1%.

    One of the guests on this Sunday's Meet the Press or This Week said that the Republican campaign officials were confident and the Democratic campaign officials were nervous.  I think they'll all be wrong.

     
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    Current count at Electoral Vote:

    Harris 241, Trump 280, Ties 17 (NV and AZ)

    This website has Trump winning PA by 1%.  Trump carried PA by 1% in 2016.  The Democratic candidate carried the state in every other presidential election all the way back to 1992.

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    Current count at Electoral Vote:

    Harris 241, Trump 280, Ties 17 (NV and AZ)

    This website has Trump winning PA by 1%.  Trump carried PA by 1% in 2016.  The Democratic candidate carried the state in every other presidential election all the way back to 1992.

     
     
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    At Polymarket currently the bettors favor Trump by 65.6% to 34.4%, one of the few times I checked where they did not have a rounding error.  To show more evidence that the Trump bettors seem to be totally unaware of reality, they have Trump leading in PA 62% to 38%, as if is not even close.

    This seems to be shaping up like a heavily-bet NFL home favorite that loses outright.

    I checked again at Heritage and I was surprised to see the odds so much higher than when I took Harris at +120 for a half unit, so I took Harris at +147 for a whole unit (a whopping $7).

    Good luck everybody.

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    At Polymarket currently the bettors favor Trump by 65.6% to 34.4%, one of the few times I checked where they did not have a rounding error.  To show more evidence that the Trump bettors seem to be totally unaware of reality, they have Trump leading in PA 62% to 38%, as if is not even close.

    This seems to be shaping up like a heavily-bet NFL home favorite that loses outright.

    I checked again at Heritage and I was surprised to see the odds so much higher than when I took Harris at +120 for a half unit, so I took Harris at +147 for a whole unit (a whopping $7).

    Good luck everybody.

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