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    The Return of HELLMUTH To WSOP Glory.......

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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 1:57 PM ET #1

    I just have this feeling that one of these next few years Phil Hellmuth is gonna make the final table at the WSOP Main Event.
     
    Guy has taken some bad beats the last few years.    One of these years he's gonna make a run and it's gonna be exciting.
     
    You guys think it will ever happen?    Man, that would be great television wouldn't it?  
     
       
     
     
    PS:  I am a big fan of Hellmuth not only because of his playing but because he grew up in Madison, Wisconsin.   CheeseHeads Rule  
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    I just have this feeling that one of these next few years Phil Hellmuth is gonna make the final table at the WSOP Main Event.
     
    Guy has taken some bad beats the last few years.    One of these years he's gonna make a run and it's gonna be exciting.
     
    You guys think it will ever happen?    Man, that would be great television wouldn't it?  
     
       
     
     
    PS:  I am a big fan of Hellmuth not only because of his playing but because he grew up in Madison, Wisconsin.   CheeseHeads Rule  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 2:07 PM ET #2

    Or how about if Johnny Chan made a run and made the final table?     Or Doyle Brunson?
     
    That would be some cool shit man.    I would love to see something like that happen.  
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    Or how about if Johnny Chan made a run and made the final table?     Or Doyle Brunson?
     
    That would be some cool shit man.    I would love to see something like that happen.  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 2:49 PM ET #3

    I doubt Phil ever makes it that deep in the main event again.  He's not very well liked by anyone to be honest and there are TONS of people lining up willing to make marginal (or even poor) plays against him in hopes of having a chance to knock him out.
     
    Your normal every day likeable player needs a TON of luck to get deep.  Phil needs that and more. 

    Just think of the love that Hachem received last year....and respect.  Many despise Phil and I'm guessing he would need to dodge a LOT of people all in with nut flush draws or the like hoping to beat him. 
     
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    I doubt Phil ever makes it that deep in the main event again.  He's not very well liked by anyone to be honest and there are TONS of people lining up willing to make marginal (or even poor) plays against him in hopes of having a chance to knock him out.
     
    Your normal every day likeable player needs a TON of luck to get deep.  Phil needs that and more. 

    Just think of the love that Hachem received last year....and respect.  Many despise Phil and I'm guessing he would need to dodge a LOT of people all in with nut flush draws or the like hoping to beat him. 
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 3:07 PM ET #4

    Good Point but didn't Hellmuth win a WSOP Satellite tourney last year?    I thought I saw that he did.?
     
    Granted that's alot less players than the main event.
     
    I just feel like he's gonna have at least one good WSOP before he dies.  He's still a young guy.
     
    You are correct though that getting thru probably 10,000 players this year takes an incredible amount of skill and luck and patience and stamina.
     
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    Good Point but didn't Hellmuth win a WSOP Satellite tourney last year?    I thought I saw that he did.?
     
    Granted that's alot less players than the main event.
     
    I just feel like he's gonna have at least one good WSOP before he dies.  He's still a young guy.
     
    You are correct though that getting thru probably 10,000 players this year takes an incredible amount of skill and luck and patience and stamina.
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 3:19 PM ET #5

    Here's that WSOP tournament he won last year.   He actually had a good year last year making several final tables.
     
     
    https://www.pokerpages.com/tournament/result13629.htm#report
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    Here's that WSOP tournament he won last year.   He actually had a good year last year making several final tables.
     
     
    https://www.pokerpages.com/tournament/result13629.htm#report
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 3:26 PM ET #6

    If you read the report of that tournament,  Daniel Negreaunu made 48 rebuys in that tournament and still finished out of the money.         Supposedly a record for rebuys.  
     
     
    I wonder how many rebuys Hellmuth made?  
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    If you read the report of that tournament,  Daniel Negreaunu made 48 rebuys in that tournament and still finished out of the money.         Supposedly a record for rebuys.  
     
     
    I wonder how many rebuys Hellmuth made?  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 5:41 PM ET #7

    i hate the concept of rebuys....just hate it
     
     
    i would love to see chan/hellmuth/brunson at a final table.  maybe with online poker losing players due to the law it will go back to being about skill.  brunson is the best of all time in my opinion.  can you imagine how much shit that guy has seen in his days?  and chan changed the game to teh way its played now.  phil is just fun to watch. 
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    i hate the concept of rebuys....just hate it
     
     
    i would love to see chan/hellmuth/brunson at a final table.  maybe with online poker losing players due to the law it will go back to being about skill.  brunson is the best of all time in my opinion.  can you imagine how much shit that guy has seen in his days?  and chan changed the game to teh way its played now.  phil is just fun to watch. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 6:53 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungOne:

     
     
      phil is just fun to watch. 
     
     
     
    He's more than that bro.   He's one of the greatest poker players that ever lived.  10 WSOP bracelets and countless other tournaments.   I saw him win that Head to Head poker tourney that they had on CNBC the financial channel a few years back.   Over $7,000,000 in World Series of Poker winnings.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungOne:

     
     
      phil is just fun to watch. 
     
     
     
    He's more than that bro.   He's one of the greatest poker players that ever lived.  10 WSOP bracelets and countless other tournaments.   I saw him win that Head to Head poker tourney that they had on CNBC the financial channel a few years back.   Over $7,000,000 in World Series of Poker winnings.
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 7:33 PM ET #9

    I have a feeling without the option of online qualifiers we'll see a final table full of pros in the main event. 
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    I have a feeling without the option of online qualifiers we'll see a final table full of pros in the main event. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 10:00 PM ET #10

    I doubt Phil ever makes it that deep in the main event again.  He's not very well liked by anyone to be honest and there are TONS of people lining up willing to make marginal (or even poor) plays against him in hopes of having a chance to knock him out.

    This makes it more likely that he will be able to accumulate the chips necessary to make a final table.

    Your normal every day likeable player needs a TON of luck to get deep.  Phil needs that and more.

    Being 'likeable' doesn't really have anything to do with winning a tournament.

    Just think of the love that Hachem received last year....and respect.  Many despise Phil and I'm guessing he would need to dodge a LOT of people all in with nut flush draws or the like hoping to beat him. 

    Getting your money in as a favorite is usually a good thing. I would love it if people would throw their money is as a dog because they don't like me.

    While you will need luck to win, or even final table, a large tournament like the WSOP ME, luck becomes less a factor if the players are playing poorly.


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    I doubt Phil ever makes it that deep in the main event again.  He's not very well liked by anyone to be honest and there are TONS of people lining up willing to make marginal (or even poor) plays against him in hopes of having a chance to knock him out.

    This makes it more likely that he will be able to accumulate the chips necessary to make a final table.

    Your normal every day likeable player needs a TON of luck to get deep.  Phil needs that and more.

    Being 'likeable' doesn't really have anything to do with winning a tournament.

    Just think of the love that Hachem received last year....and respect.  Many despise Phil and I'm guessing he would need to dodge a LOT of people all in with nut flush draws or the like hoping to beat him. 

    Getting your money in as a favorite is usually a good thing. I would love it if people would throw their money is as a dog because they don't like me.

    While you will need luck to win, or even final table, a large tournament like the WSOP ME, luck becomes less a factor if the players are playing poorly.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2007 - 10:25 PM ET #11

    phil h is a very good player and i beleive he has either more wsop cashes or final tables than anyone.the show he puts on is just entertainment and it gave him an opportunity to make alot more money the last few years than actually playin poker.
     
    he has alot of endorsement deals in place and has made millions off of it.i do think his moaning about getting outplayed and stuff gets old.did you watch poker after dark last nite when sheiky took that pot off him.  lol
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    phil h is a very good player and i beleive he has either more wsop cashes or final tables than anyone.the show he puts on is just entertainment and it gave him an opportunity to make alot more money the last few years than actually playin poker.
     
    he has alot of endorsement deals in place and has made millions off of it.i do think his moaning about getting outplayed and stuff gets old.did you watch poker after dark last nite when sheiky took that pot off him.  lol
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2007 - 5:26 PM ET #12

    I still think Phil Ivey is the best and he doesnt even play half the tourneys most others do. 
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    I still think Phil Ivey is the best and he doesnt even play half the tourneys most others do. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2007 - 6:46 PM ET #13

    Being 'likeable' doesn't really have anything to do with winning a tournament.

    What I'm saying is that he is likely to run up against MORE people willing to gamble to knock him out then some might just because he's the poker brat.

    And yeah, getting all your money in as a favorite is a good thing....but if you do it often enough, you'll eventually lose one of those big pots.
     
    Pros would prefer few all ins and generally smaller pots.  People running heads up with Phil are more likely (IMO) to want to play for big pots. 
     
    Bottom line is, Phil runs into more people willing to gamble to take him out.  And yeah, it's great for him when he wins those pots, but he's not going to win all of 'em. 
     
     
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    Being 'likeable' doesn't really have anything to do with winning a tournament.

    What I'm saying is that he is likely to run up against MORE people willing to gamble to knock him out then some might just because he's the poker brat.

    And yeah, getting all your money in as a favorite is a good thing....but if you do it often enough, you'll eventually lose one of those big pots.
     
    Pros would prefer few all ins and generally smaller pots.  People running heads up with Phil are more likely (IMO) to want to play for big pots. 
     
    Bottom line is, Phil runs into more people willing to gamble to take him out.  And yeah, it's great for him when he wins those pots, but he's not going to win all of 'em. 
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2007 - 8:08 PM ET #14

    Pros would prefer few all ins and generally smaller pots.

    Yup.

    People running heads up with Phil are more likely (IMO) to want to play for big pots.


    Even if this were true, Hellmuth would definately be smart enough to catch on and then adjust his game.

    Bottom line is, Phil runs into more people willing to gamble to take him out.  And yeah, it's great for him when he wins those pots, but he's not going to win all of 'em.

    He doesn't have to. If the opponent before him stacked off to Hellmuth, he may easily have the next guy covered.

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    He has made a living from playing poker for a quite a while now playing with people less skilled than him. I can't see how opponents playing poorly could change this.

    Put it this way.

    Is it easier to win the Sunday Million on Stars, or a freeroll, where players on constantly throwing their chips in with the worst of it?

    I think the answer should be obvious.
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    Pros would prefer few all ins and generally smaller pots.

    Yup.

    People running heads up with Phil are more likely (IMO) to want to play for big pots.


    Even if this were true, Hellmuth would definately be smart enough to catch on and then adjust his game.

    Bottom line is, Phil runs into more people willing to gamble to take him out.  And yeah, it's great for him when he wins those pots, but he's not going to win all of 'em.

    He doesn't have to. If the opponent before him stacked off to Hellmuth, he may easily have the next guy covered.

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    He has made a living from playing poker for a quite a while now playing with people less skilled than him. I can't see how opponents playing poorly could change this.

    Put it this way.

    Is it easier to win the Sunday Million on Stars, or a freeroll, where players on constantly throwing their chips in with the worst of it?

    I think the answer should be obvious.
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