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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2026 - 10:43 PM ET #51

    Ehh - Russian debt is low - because no one wants to borrow them money ? They have had like 3 failed auctions this year alone - their economy is not doing great - they have chosen to stop holding debt auctions - last auctions the hold - they tried take on around 1.5 trillion rubles - but could only sell 10 billion - so they have stopped to hold those auctions - because they can’t find buyers and it is showing how bad it is going for them to the world to see — all this information is freely available

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    Ehh - Russian debt is low - because no one wants to borrow them money ? They have had like 3 failed auctions this year alone - their economy is not doing great - they have chosen to stop holding debt auctions - last auctions the hold - they tried take on around 1.5 trillion rubles - but could only sell 10 billion - so they have stopped to hold those auctions - because they can’t find buyers and it is showing how bad it is going for them to the world to see — all this information is freely available

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2026 - 10:56 PM ET #52

    But it is correct China keeps them just above suffocating levels - but don’t be fooled what motives they have for that - it is not to help Russia if that is what you think 

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    But it is correct China keeps them just above suffocating levels - but don’t be fooled what motives they have for that - it is not to help Russia if that is what you think 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2026 - 11:05 PM ET #53

    Europe and US can take on as much debt as they want - they might be required to alter the premium they are paying - but there will always be buyers - Russia is offering 16% - not 3% like EU or 5% ish like US - 16 ! And not a single person show up to buy basically - that is not the market being impressed how well you run your country - that is the market saying I don’t want to be the one holding the bags - when your country economically collapses

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    Europe and US can take on as much debt as they want - they might be required to alter the premium they are paying - but there will always be buyers - Russia is offering 16% - not 3% like EU or 5% ish like US - 16 ! And not a single person show up to buy basically - that is not the market being impressed how well you run your country - that is the market saying I don’t want to be the one holding the bags - when your country economically collapses

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2026 - 4:02 PM ET #54

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     They cannot take on as much debt as they want anymore! USA is on the Verge of Paying 2 Trillion in Interest a Year. There’s a point where we cannot make the interest payments without cutting Social Security, Medicare, etc..

    Europe is already cutting Social Programs to fund the Ukraine War so they will definitely cut social programs tax payers expect a return from.

    When you cut social programs the masses go berserk, may revolt & kill you. USA won’t be able to pay Generation X’s Social Security we’ll see if that causes the younger Generations to revolt, it should.

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     They cannot take on as much debt as they want anymore! USA is on the Verge of Paying 2 Trillion in Interest a Year. There’s a point where we cannot make the interest payments without cutting Social Security, Medicare, etc..

    Europe is already cutting Social Programs to fund the Ukraine War so they will definitely cut social programs tax payers expect a return from.

    When you cut social programs the masses go berserk, may revolt & kill you. USA won’t be able to pay Generation X’s Social Security we’ll see if that causes the younger Generations to revolt, it should.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2026 - 4:25 PM ET #55

    The concept isn’t that difficult ! As long as there are people willing to lend you money - you can borrow money ! EU at least is no where near not being able to find buyers - if we issue bonds they sell instantly - and our premiums paid are basically just a basic point over the projected inflation rate ! US should be able to find buyers at least as long as they are the world reserve currency - we can discuss what the chance of that not being the case in the imminent future - I might agree that is far from certain - but for now you are 

     

    - btw we are cutting back on it because we are reinforcing and building our own military industry (and because it is urgently needed) not because we don’t have the money for it down the road ! Firstly we look into fighting the biggest country on our continent on our own - and some idiotic country both of us know - has told us to spend 5% gdp on it - without them doing it themselves an_clap

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    The concept isn’t that difficult ! As long as there are people willing to lend you money - you can borrow money ! EU at least is no where near not being able to find buyers - if we issue bonds they sell instantly - and our premiums paid are basically just a basic point over the projected inflation rate ! US should be able to find buyers at least as long as they are the world reserve currency - we can discuss what the chance of that not being the case in the imminent future - I might agree that is far from certain - but for now you are 

     

    - btw we are cutting back on it because we are reinforcing and building our own military industry (and because it is urgently needed) not because we don’t have the money for it down the road ! Firstly we look into fighting the biggest country on our continent on our own - and some idiotic country both of us know - has told us to spend 5% gdp on it - without them doing it themselves an_clap

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2026 - 4:34 PM ET #56

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     Not True! No one wants USA bonds right now nor did they before! That’s why we rammed the Ukraine War down your throats! Western Bonds are junk! But USA has schemes = Crypto Currency & Canada!

    All these potential buyers of Bonds where are they & who are they? They ain’t Asian or Middle Eastern.

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     Not True! No one wants USA bonds right now nor did they before! That’s why we rammed the Ukraine War down your throats! Western Bonds are junk! But USA has schemes = Crypto Currency & Canada!

    All these potential buyers of Bonds where are they & who are they? They ain’t Asian or Middle Eastern.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2026 - 4:44 PM ET #57

    I don’t care about US bonds market - so I don’t know I said it wouldn’t make sense you couldn’t - based on the fact you are the world reserve currency - but if you can’t sell the issued bonds - why don’t you just offer a bigger premium - are you trying to suggest to me that none would buy your bonds if you offered say 10% ?

     

    But ok speak for yourself then (and sorry I included you guys in our awesomeness) EU has NO problems finding buyers for our debt - they are standing in line - knocking on our door for us to issue bonds 

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    I don’t care about US bonds market - so I don’t know I said it wouldn’t make sense you couldn’t - based on the fact you are the world reserve currency - but if you can’t sell the issued bonds - why don’t you just offer a bigger premium - are you trying to suggest to me that none would buy your bonds if you offered say 10% ?

     

    But ok speak for yourself then (and sorry I included you guys in our awesomeness) EU has NO problems finding buyers for our debt - they are standing in line - knocking on our door for us to issue bonds 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2026 - 7:42 PM ET #58

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    We can’t offer a bigger premium because we will not be able to pay back the money & interest neither will EU if they issue big premiums. Larger premiums ultimately devalue the currency.

    Dollars are in demand because you can purchase more things with dollars compared to other currencies! China has manufactured goods & Russia has Energy & Raw Materials that can be exchange for Russian & Chinese currency.

    Example India has what? Nobody wants india’s currency beyond buying refined Oil. This is why Iran is a threat to become Powerful, Iran is the breadbasket of the ME, has Oil, Gas, Gold, & lots of other Raw Materials. Israel has what?

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    We can’t offer a bigger premium because we will not be able to pay back the money & interest neither will EU if they issue big premiums. Larger premiums ultimately devalue the currency.

    Dollars are in demand because you can purchase more things with dollars compared to other currencies! China has manufactured goods & Russia has Energy & Raw Materials that can be exchange for Russian & Chinese currency.

    Example India has what? Nobody wants india’s currency beyond buying refined Oil. This is why Iran is a threat to become Powerful, Iran is the breadbasket of the ME, has Oil, Gas, Gold, & lots of other Raw Materials. Israel has what?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2026 - 10:01 PM ET #59

    "Example India has what? Nobody wants india’s currency beyond buying refined Oil. This is why Iran is a threat to become Powerful, Iran is the breadbasket of the ME, has Oil, Gas, Gold, & lots of other Raw Materials. Israel has what?"

    Israel has something greater than all those things you list for Iran...something much greater.....

    Israel has the Abrahamic Covenant ...............

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    "Example India has what? Nobody wants india’s currency beyond buying refined Oil. This is why Iran is a threat to become Powerful, Iran is the breadbasket of the ME, has Oil, Gas, Gold, & lots of other Raw Materials. Israel has what?"

    Israel has something greater than all those things you list for Iran...something much greater.....

    Israel has the Abrahamic Covenant ...............

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2026 - 10:52 PM ET #60

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    Not gonna respond to that junk, especially after stating many times here Dispensation Christianity interprets the Bible wrong & John Nelson Darby was a Satanist Brit Operative.

    ???? is not the Country representing the bloodline of Jesus, in fact the bloodline of Jesus & the Tribes associated with him are in the Palestinians! The European transplants to Palestine don’t have any relation.

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    Not gonna respond to that junk, especially after stating many times here Dispensation Christianity interprets the Bible wrong & John Nelson Darby was a Satanist Brit Operative.

    ???? is not the Country representing the bloodline of Jesus, in fact the bloodline of Jesus & the Tribes associated with him are in the Palestinians! The European transplants to Palestine don’t have any relation.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2026 - 11:37 PM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by FresnoHawk68:

    @SarasotaSlim Not gonna respond to that junk, especially after stating many times here Dispensation Christianity interprets the Bible wrong & John Nelson Darby was a Satanist Brit Operative. ???? is not the Country representing the bloodline of Jesus, in fact the bloodline of Jesus & the Tribes associated with him are in the Palestinians! The European transplants to Palestine don’t have any relation.

    What a bunch of hogwash..this is not true...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FresnoHawk68:

    @SarasotaSlim Not gonna respond to that junk, especially after stating many times here Dispensation Christianity interprets the Bible wrong & John Nelson Darby was a Satanist Brit Operative. ???? is not the Country representing the bloodline of Jesus, in fact the bloodline of Jesus & the Tribes associated with him are in the Palestinians! The European transplants to Palestine don’t have any relation.

    What a bunch of hogwash..this is not true...

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2026 - 11:48 PM ET #62

    US and Europe have had the same thing in common - that has made them investable their entire history (the most important thing to investors actually) they have “law and order” and they have a history of paying what they owe ! 

     

    Russia has not - they have defaulted more than once through their history ! 
    It is the reason EU is the most investable entity on earth right now - because Trump is in the process of removing the main thing that made you investable - people that buy your debt - don’t want oil and don’t want manufactured goods - then they would have brought those outright ! They want more money than they gave you ! And they deem your worthiness for their money - on one factor alone - how likely are you of paying them back what you promise them 

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    US and Europe have had the same thing in common - that has made them investable their entire history (the most important thing to investors actually) they have “law and order” and they have a history of paying what they owe ! 

     

    Russia has not - they have defaulted more than once through their history ! 
    It is the reason EU is the most investable entity on earth right now - because Trump is in the process of removing the main thing that made you investable - people that buy your debt - don’t want oil and don’t want manufactured goods - then they would have brought those outright ! They want more money than they gave you ! And they deem your worthiness for their money - on one factor alone - how likely are you of paying them back what you promise them 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2026 - 12:12 AM ET #63

    China could easily borrow money if they wanted to - but they already have money and they don’t try to hyper scale or anything like that ! EU mostly borrow money for external reasons (COVID, Russian war etc) - and their joint borrowing is mostly used as a tool to keep us together as one - when you borrow together it is harder to split up down the road ! 

     

    You are so far gone - you borrow to pay off your debt etc. - you are like a degenerate gambler - giving blowjobs for a fiver — but hi as long as you are the world reserve currency - you should at least survive and be able to find lenders 

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    China could easily borrow money if they wanted to - but they already have money and they don’t try to hyper scale or anything like that ! EU mostly borrow money for external reasons (COVID, Russian war etc) - and their joint borrowing is mostly used as a tool to keep us together as one - when you borrow together it is harder to split up down the road ! 

     

    You are so far gone - you borrow to pay off your debt etc. - you are like a degenerate gambler - giving blowjobs for a fiver — but hi as long as you are the world reserve currency - you should at least survive and be able to find lenders 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2026 - 3:09 PM ET #64

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    It’s why Trump has lost his base! There’s a huge backlash within the Evangelical Church in the USA! Calvary Chapel & their founder Chuck Smith pushed the Dispensation Theology into mainstream Christianity, I know it well, I spent 2 non Sunday’s a week a few hours a day learning from Chuck Smith for many years! I studied Hank Hanegraaff for many years, etc.. the most influential Theologians in the 90s & turn of the Century! Hank Hanefraaff has left the Evangelical Church for the Orthodox Christian Church for obvious reasons, no True Intellectual could stay in the Evangelical Church.

    Study 1st Century early Church Fathers!

    If Trump arrested Netanyahu the polls would flip & as long as Red Senators, etc.. go along, Trump would win the Senate Easily & could win the House this November. The data from recent polls prove it.

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    It’s why Trump has lost his base! There’s a huge backlash within the Evangelical Church in the USA! Calvary Chapel & their founder Chuck Smith pushed the Dispensation Theology into mainstream Christianity, I know it well, I spent 2 non Sunday’s a week a few hours a day learning from Chuck Smith for many years! I studied Hank Hanegraaff for many years, etc.. the most influential Theologians in the 90s & turn of the Century! Hank Hanefraaff has left the Evangelical Church for the Orthodox Christian Church for obvious reasons, no True Intellectual could stay in the Evangelical Church.

    Study 1st Century early Church Fathers!

    If Trump arrested Netanyahu the polls would flip & as long as Red Senators, etc.. go along, Trump would win the Senate Easily & could win the House this November. The data from recent polls prove it.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2026 - 3:19 PM ET #65

    @Calde13

     You need help! Go to the EU Central Bank website there you will find data for EU’s Propaganda War against the USA, it’s data from EU’s most high profile economist, bankers, etc…

    I thought by revealing the covert Dollar vs Euro War has entered Media War phase you would do that & the looniness would decrease.

    So go get your leader’s info & use it here against me!

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    @Calde13

     You need help! Go to the EU Central Bank website there you will find data for EU’s Propaganda War against the USA, it’s data from EU’s most high profile economist, bankers, etc…

    I thought by revealing the covert Dollar vs Euro War has entered Media War phase you would do that & the looniness would decrease.

    So go get your leader’s info & use it here against me!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2026 - 4:49 PM ET #66

    @FresnoHawk68

     I won't talk religion here at Covers.....However, as for general info,,,, is that Chuck Smith you refer to the same  Chuck (end of the world) Smith ?

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    @FresnoHawk68

     I won't talk religion here at Covers.....However, as for general info,,,, is that Chuck Smith you refer to the same  Chuck (end of the world) Smith ?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2026 - 6:55 PM ET #67

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     Yup! I know a guy I did Missionary work with who was in their Seminary school, once a year I got the inside scoop. I have friends  who have advanced degrees in Christianity & I use to spend hours talking theology with them. Chuck use to say “every hotspot on Earth is caused by Islam” I like Islam & I consider myself a Christian! I like the Orthodox Christian Church too. 

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     Yup! I know a guy I did Missionary work with who was in their Seminary school, once a year I got the inside scoop. I have friends  who have advanced degrees in Christianity & I use to spend hours talking theology with them. Chuck use to say “every hotspot on Earth is caused by Islam” I like Islam & I consider myself a Christian! I like the Orthodox Christian Church too. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2026 - 9:25 PM ET #68

    General Info: The Orthodox Church traces its origins to the churches founded by the apostles in the Middle East and the Balkans in the first century...........

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    General Info: The Orthodox Church traces its origins to the churches founded by the apostles in the Middle East and the Balkans in the first century...........

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2026 - 10:08 PM ET #69

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     Exactly, I’m always looking for answers. Unlike my friends in the Evangelical Church I was dissatisfied with what I discovered so I keep searching. We knew something was wrong when 911 hit that’s when I pursued a different path, questioning USA Values & Modern Christianity, they stayed in their comfortable lives.

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    @SarasotaSlim

     Exactly, I’m always looking for answers. Unlike my friends in the Evangelical Church I was dissatisfied with what I discovered so I keep searching. We knew something was wrong when 911 hit that’s when I pursued a different path, questioning USA Values & Modern Christianity, they stayed in their comfortable lives.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2026 - 3:08 AM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by FresnoHawk68:

    @Calde13  You need help! Go to the EU Central Bank website there you will find data for EU’s Propaganda War against the USA, it’s data from EU’s most high profile economist, bankers, etc… I thought by revealing the covert Dollar vs Euro War has entered Media War phase you would do that & the looniness would decrease. So go get your leader’s info & use it here against me!

     

    That you are so retarded you can’t draw your own conclusions based on geopolitical events - that can hardly be my problem (I know every single way we could totally fuck you guys up economically if we wanted to - that we take one threat after the other from you guys doing nothing but turn the other cheek - tells me we have NO interest in destroying the status quo - and the entire European history post WW2 is also proof - if you actually knew the history - I don’t consider it my job to lecture you on 80 years history of a continent) - that you use a 2000 year old book for guidance says more than enough - and thereby I rest my case

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    Quote Originally Posted by FresnoHawk68:

    @Calde13  You need help! Go to the EU Central Bank website there you will find data for EU’s Propaganda War against the USA, it’s data from EU’s most high profile economist, bankers, etc… I thought by revealing the covert Dollar vs Euro War has entered Media War phase you would do that & the looniness would decrease. So go get your leader’s info & use it here against me!

     

    That you are so retarded you can’t draw your own conclusions based on geopolitical events - that can hardly be my problem (I know every single way we could totally fuck you guys up economically if we wanted to - that we take one threat after the other from you guys doing nothing but turn the other cheek - tells me we have NO interest in destroying the status quo - and the entire European history post WW2 is also proof - if you actually knew the history - I don’t consider it my job to lecture you on 80 years history of a continent) - that you use a 2000 year old book for guidance says more than enough - and thereby I rest my case

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2026 - 3:18 AM ET #71

    You are self inflecting wounds that might very well reshape the world as we know it - and I am personally very optimistic for Europes future as the result of it - that you are of a different opinion is fine by me - but maybe have in mind - that I am smarter than you by a ratio I don’t even want to calculate as that revelation would be PG-18 (and the financial markets backs my world view)

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    You are self inflecting wounds that might very well reshape the world as we know it - and I am personally very optimistic for Europes future as the result of it - that you are of a different opinion is fine by me - but maybe have in mind - that I am smarter than you by a ratio I don’t even want to calculate as that revelation would be PG-18 (and the financial markets backs my world view)

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2026 - 3:45 AM ET #72

    And when I say history - try read up on real history - and not whatever source told you our royalties drink children blood when they don’t pray to whatever vampire god was popular at the time of writing - and there were connections between two religions that had no idea the other country even existed when they were thought up - a bit of criticism towards the source you read would be much appreciated - at least if your end goal is trying lecturing me on the world thumbs_up

     

    Btw since it seems like a hard concept for both you and Slim actually (maybe the majority of the American population - I don’t know?) = countries and goverments want to portray themselves as strong as possible - without exception ! Everything they say should be read with that lens - so you losing in nam , you losing in Iraq, you losing in Iran - says way more of you power than a military dude - trying to reinforce the idea - you are invulnerable and the world is yours for the taking 

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    And when I say history - try read up on real history - and not whatever source told you our royalties drink children blood when they don’t pray to whatever vampire god was popular at the time of writing - and there were connections between two religions that had no idea the other country even existed when they were thought up - a bit of criticism towards the source you read would be much appreciated - at least if your end goal is trying lecturing me on the world thumbs_up

     

    Btw since it seems like a hard concept for both you and Slim actually (maybe the majority of the American population - I don’t know?) = countries and goverments want to portray themselves as strong as possible - without exception ! Everything they say should be read with that lens - so you losing in nam , you losing in Iraq, you losing in Iran - says way more of you power than a military dude - trying to reinforce the idea - you are invulnerable and the world is yours for the taking 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2026 - 3:59 AM ET #73

    That you could even understand what your military said with a Ukrainian dick so far back in their throat for getting ukrainian help is the most impressive part of all this to me - not gonna lie an_cheers

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    That you could even understand what your military said with a Ukrainian dick so far back in their throat for getting ukrainian help is the most impressive part of all this to me - not gonna lie an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2026 - 3:41 PM ET #74

    Europe is as Good as dead, Get out Now there won’t be any Social Security for you. When it comes to it USA will robbed the High Seas to keep the economy in check, our behavior during the C-19 Pandemic proves it.

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    Europe is as Good as dead, Get out Now there won’t be any Social Security for you. When it comes to it USA will robbed the High Seas to keep the economy in check, our behavior during the C-19 Pandemic proves it.

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2026 - 7:18 PM ET #75

    The EU is pumping €90 billion ($105 billion) into Ukraine without knowing how the burden of the interest-free loan will be distributed among member states, German MEP Fabio De Masi told the Berliner Zeitung, warning that the money will enrich “corrupt oligarchs” in Ukraine.

    Member states gave the green light to the scheme in April, with Hungary, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia securing exemptions.

    On Monday, German MEP Fabio De Masi, who co-chairs the Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance party, told the Berliner Zeitung that the “European Commission apparently doesn’t even know the extent to which EU member states will have to guarantee the Ukraine loan.” 

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    The EU is pumping €90 billion ($105 billion) into Ukraine without knowing how the burden of the interest-free loan will be distributed among member states, German MEP Fabio De Masi told the Berliner Zeitung, warning that the money will enrich “corrupt oligarchs” in Ukraine.

    Member states gave the green light to the scheme in April, with Hungary, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia securing exemptions.

    On Monday, German MEP Fabio De Masi, who co-chairs the Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance party, told the Berliner Zeitung that the “European Commission apparently doesn’t even know the extent to which EU member states will have to guarantee the Ukraine loan.” 

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