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    Baseball Betting Philosophies and Strategies
     
    Several people asked me by email about my betting strategies and I thought I would take the time to post my response here. While I do not plan on posting much here in the PB, I thought some people might be interested.
     
    WHY BETTING UNDERDOGS IN BASEBALL IS DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER SPORT.
     
    There are several different approaches and strategies to handicapping baseball, but the most fundamental and obvious starting point is one that is taken completely for granted. Baseball is quite unique when it comes to betting because the gaps between the best and worst teams are far closer than in any other sport. Let's look at the other major betting sports.
     
    In the NFL, the New England Patriots were 16-0 winning 100% of their games. The worst 3 teams in the NFL this past season were 3-13 winning just 18.8% of their games.
     
    In the NBA this season, Boston is currently 54-13 winning 80.6% of their games and Detroit is 49-19 winning 72.1% of their games. The worst teams in the NBA are Miami winning 17.9%, and Seattle at 23.5%.
     
    In NCAA Basketball this season, Memphis compiled a 33-1 record winning at an amazing 97.1% while North Carolina is 32-2 winning at 94.1%. The worst teams in the country were Rice at 3-27 winning 10% of their games, Sacramento State at 4-24 (14.3%) and Oregon State at 6-25 (19.4%).
     
    In NCAA Football, Kansas and Hawaii both compiled records of 12-1 winning 92.3% while five Division 1 teams ended their seasons at 1-11 (8.3%).
     
    Meanwhile, the 2007 baseball season was not that much different than any other baseball season.
     
    The Boston Red Sox and Cleveland Indians tied for the best record in the majors at 96-66 (59.3%). The two worst teams in the majors were the Tampa Bay Rays at 66-96 (40.7%) and the Pittsburgh Pirates at 68-94 (42%). These records are nowhere close to the best and worst records of any other major betting sport.
     
    So there you have it:
     
    Sport        Best             Worst
    NFL         100%            18.8%
    NBA          80%            16.9%
    NCAAB      97%            10%
    NCAAF      95%             8.3%
    MLB         59.3%           40.7%
     
    While it seems like an obvious point, it is often overlooked that the worst team in baseball still wins at a percentage well in excess of at least double the worst team in any sport. Taking it a step further, based on last season's numbers, the worst team in baseball won slightly more than 2 out of every 5 games, while the best team in baseball won slightly less than 3 out of every 5 games. Let's face it, in NCAAB, if you put Memphis up against Rice 100 times this season, Memphis would easily win 90% of the time and probably more. If the Patriots played the Dolphins 10 times, they'd easily win 9 on average. It's nothing like that in baseball.
     
    In 2007, the Pittsburgh Pirates (the team with the worst record in the NL at 42%) beat the Arizona Diamondbacks (the best record in the NL) 4 out of 9 times (44.4%). Tampa Bay with the worst record in the AL was 8-10 (44.4%) against the New York Yankees who had the 3rd best record in baseball. In both of these situations, as long as the Pirates and Rays were an average of +125 in those winning games (which I assure you they were) they showed a profit against their mightier foe.
     
    If you want a more compelling argument, the Florida Marlins with the 2nd worst record in the NL swept the Cubs who won the Central Division 6 games to zero.
     
    The point can also be highlighted by looking at pitchers. Hardly anyone could tell me who the most profitable pitcher in baseball was last season. It was Aaron Harang at +13 units. Compare that to probably the best pitcher in the MLB, Johan Santana who was -11.1 units. The average bettor certainly feels more secure backing Johan Santana but if you bet $100 on every Aaron Harang start you would have won $1,300 last year and if you bet $100 on every Johan Santana start last season you would have lost $1,110; a $2,410 difference.
     
    To put things into perspective, try and think about the biggest one game baseball mismatch of the season. My guess is last season it was close to -400 maybe in a game like Johan Santana at home against Edwin Jackson. How big of a mismatch is it really? We see some really big mismatches in other sports. In the first round of the NCAA tournament this week, UCLA is a 32-33 point favorite over Mississippi Valley State. Now that's a mismatch. It's such a huge mismatch, you probably can't even find a moneyline anywhere on the game. The highest moneyline I see posted is Kansas versus Texas Arlington where Kansas is -7000. So is the biggest mismatch of the season in baseball really that much of a mismatch when you compare it to other sports? To put things into perspective, the biggest baseball mismatch of the season is the equivalent of the NCAA tournament game in Round 1 of Xavier-Georgia where Xavier is an 8-8.5 point favorite. Georgia's victory Sunday over Arkansas in the SEC Championship game as a 9.5 point dog was far greater than any upset we will see in baseball this season.
     
    To sum it up, too many baseball bettors shy away from dogs like they can't win when it is clear that any given underdog can beat any favorite on any given day at a rate unlike every other sport. Until people get comfortable in baseball playing underdogs on a regular basis and seeking out value, there is no chance to win betting baseball in the long run.
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    Baseball Betting Philosophies and Strategies
     
    Several people asked me by email about my betting strategies and I thought I would take the time to post my response here. While I do not plan on posting much here in the PB, I thought some people might be interested.
     
    WHY BETTING UNDERDOGS IN BASEBALL IS DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER SPORT.
     
    There are several different approaches and strategies to handicapping baseball, but the most fundamental and obvious starting point is one that is taken completely for granted. Baseball is quite unique when it comes to betting because the gaps between the best and worst teams are far closer than in any other sport. Let's look at the other major betting sports.
     
    In the NFL, the New England Patriots were 16-0 winning 100% of their games. The worst 3 teams in the NFL this past season were 3-13 winning just 18.8% of their games.
     
    In the NBA this season, Boston is currently 54-13 winning 80.6% of their games and Detroit is 49-19 winning 72.1% of their games. The worst teams in the NBA are Miami winning 17.9%, and Seattle at 23.5%.
     
    In NCAA Basketball this season, Memphis compiled a 33-1 record winning at an amazing 97.1% while North Carolina is 32-2 winning at 94.1%. The worst teams in the country were Rice at 3-27 winning 10% of their games, Sacramento State at 4-24 (14.3%) and Oregon State at 6-25 (19.4%).
     
    In NCAA Football, Kansas and Hawaii both compiled records of 12-1 winning 92.3% while five Division 1 teams ended their seasons at 1-11 (8.3%).
     
    Meanwhile, the 2007 baseball season was not that much different than any other baseball season.
     
    The Boston Red Sox and Cleveland Indians tied for the best record in the majors at 96-66 (59.3%). The two worst teams in the majors were the Tampa Bay Rays at 66-96 (40.7%) and the Pittsburgh Pirates at 68-94 (42%). These records are nowhere close to the best and worst records of any other major betting sport.
     
    So there you have it:
     
    Sport        Best             Worst
    NFL         100%            18.8%
    NBA          80%            16.9%
    NCAAB      97%            10%
    NCAAF      95%             8.3%
    MLB         59.3%           40.7%
     
    While it seems like an obvious point, it is often overlooked that the worst team in baseball still wins at a percentage well in excess of at least double the worst team in any sport. Taking it a step further, based on last season's numbers, the worst team in baseball won slightly more than 2 out of every 5 games, while the best team in baseball won slightly less than 3 out of every 5 games. Let's face it, in NCAAB, if you put Memphis up against Rice 100 times this season, Memphis would easily win 90% of the time and probably more. If the Patriots played the Dolphins 10 times, they'd easily win 9 on average. It's nothing like that in baseball.
     
    In 2007, the Pittsburgh Pirates (the team with the worst record in the NL at 42%) beat the Arizona Diamondbacks (the best record in the NL) 4 out of 9 times (44.4%). Tampa Bay with the worst record in the AL was 8-10 (44.4%) against the New York Yankees who had the 3rd best record in baseball. In both of these situations, as long as the Pirates and Rays were an average of +125 in those winning games (which I assure you they were) they showed a profit against their mightier foe.
     
    If you want a more compelling argument, the Florida Marlins with the 2nd worst record in the NL swept the Cubs who won the Central Division 6 games to zero.
     
    The point can also be highlighted by looking at pitchers. Hardly anyone could tell me who the most profitable pitcher in baseball was last season. It was Aaron Harang at +13 units. Compare that to probably the best pitcher in the MLB, Johan Santana who was -11.1 units. The average bettor certainly feels more secure backing Johan Santana but if you bet $100 on every Aaron Harang start you would have won $1,300 last year and if you bet $100 on every Johan Santana start last season you would have lost $1,110; a $2,410 difference.
     
    To put things into perspective, try and think about the biggest one game baseball mismatch of the season. My guess is last season it was close to -400 maybe in a game like Johan Santana at home against Edwin Jackson. How big of a mismatch is it really? We see some really big mismatches in other sports. In the first round of the NCAA tournament this week, UCLA is a 32-33 point favorite over Mississippi Valley State. Now that's a mismatch. It's such a huge mismatch, you probably can't even find a moneyline anywhere on the game. The highest moneyline I see posted is Kansas versus Texas Arlington where Kansas is -7000. So is the biggest mismatch of the season in baseball really that much of a mismatch when you compare it to other sports? To put things into perspective, the biggest baseball mismatch of the season is the equivalent of the NCAA tournament game in Round 1 of Xavier-Georgia where Xavier is an 8-8.5 point favorite. Georgia's victory Sunday over Arkansas in the SEC Championship game as a 9.5 point dog was far greater than any upset we will see in baseball this season.
     
    To sum it up, too many baseball bettors shy away from dogs like they can't win when it is clear that any given underdog can beat any favorite on any given day at a rate unlike every other sport. Until people get comfortable in baseball playing underdogs on a regular basis and seeking out value, there is no chance to win betting baseball in the long run.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2008 - 1:29 PM ET #2

    WINNING PERCENTAGE IS NOT SO IMPORTANT IN BASEBALL HANDICAPPING.
     
    Too many people get caught up in what a handicapper's winning percentage is in baseball and to me that just further explains to me that people do not understand betting baseball, as successful baseball handicapping is not a function of winning percentage. I would go so far as to say that if any average baseball handicapper had a gun to his head and was asked to hit 60% over the course of the season, he probably could. Simply, if a baseball bettor took every favorite of 200 or greater, he would probably hit 60%. The problem is even you played all favorites with the average bet being a favorite of -200, at 60%, over 100 plays at $100 each, you would lose $2000. At an average of -200, a handicapper would need to hit 67% to even show a negligible profit. Don't forget, the best team in baseball last season only hit at a 59.3% clip.
     
    Taken a step further, a handicapper playing an average of -150 could hit 60%, but at 60% (a better % than the best MLB team last season) he would only breakeven.
     
    Conversely, a handicapper playing an average of +110 would only need to hit at a rate of 47.7% to breakeven. So I ask you, who is the better baseball handicapper, the 60% capper playing an average of -150 or the 48% capper playing at an average of +110? The answer is the 48% capper as he shows a profit while the 60% capper above breakeven. The point I am driving home is winning percentage in baseball is less significant than other factors.
     
    For those of you who followed me last season, you are aware I play more games than almost any other handicapper. Lord knows there were countless haters who would state that I played too many games and couldn't be successful. I respect they are entitled to their opinion, but based upon my baseball model, I won +0.12 units per game played, so my overall profit increased by an average of 0.12 units with each game I played. That is not to say I should bet every game, but based upon my handicapping techniques, the more games that fit my personal criteria, the more profitable I was. 
     
    I played 1,172 games last year and finished with a record of 626-546 (53.4%) and made a profit of +140.86 units. Let's say this season I play 1000 games at an average of +110 (slightly higher than last year). Here is what I can expect if you assume that I flat bet every game at the same amount:
     
    Win %                Unit Profit
    47.7                        Even
    48%                      +8 units
    49%                      +29 units
    50%                      +50 units
    51%                      +71 units
    52%                      +92 units
    53%                      +113 units
    54%                      +134 units
     
    I won't use anything above 54% because it just won't happen. Last year I hit over 53.4% and as such, had an outstanding season. Even if I don't reach that standard, at 50%, I will still make a handsome profit.
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    WINNING PERCENTAGE IS NOT SO IMPORTANT IN BASEBALL HANDICAPPING.
     
    Too many people get caught up in what a handicapper's winning percentage is in baseball and to me that just further explains to me that people do not understand betting baseball, as successful baseball handicapping is not a function of winning percentage. I would go so far as to say that if any average baseball handicapper had a gun to his head and was asked to hit 60% over the course of the season, he probably could. Simply, if a baseball bettor took every favorite of 200 or greater, he would probably hit 60%. The problem is even you played all favorites with the average bet being a favorite of -200, at 60%, over 100 plays at $100 each, you would lose $2000. At an average of -200, a handicapper would need to hit 67% to even show a negligible profit. Don't forget, the best team in baseball last season only hit at a 59.3% clip.
     
    Taken a step further, a handicapper playing an average of -150 could hit 60%, but at 60% (a better % than the best MLB team last season) he would only breakeven.
     
    Conversely, a handicapper playing an average of +110 would only need to hit at a rate of 47.7% to breakeven. So I ask you, who is the better baseball handicapper, the 60% capper playing an average of -150 or the 48% capper playing at an average of +110? The answer is the 48% capper as he shows a profit while the 60% capper above breakeven. The point I am driving home is winning percentage in baseball is less significant than other factors.
     
    For those of you who followed me last season, you are aware I play more games than almost any other handicapper. Lord knows there were countless haters who would state that I played too many games and couldn't be successful. I respect they are entitled to their opinion, but based upon my baseball model, I won +0.12 units per game played, so my overall profit increased by an average of 0.12 units with each game I played. That is not to say I should bet every game, but based upon my handicapping techniques, the more games that fit my personal criteria, the more profitable I was. 
     
    I played 1,172 games last year and finished with a record of 626-546 (53.4%) and made a profit of +140.86 units. Let's say this season I play 1000 games at an average of +110 (slightly higher than last year). Here is what I can expect if you assume that I flat bet every game at the same amount:
     
    Win %                Unit Profit
    47.7                        Even
    48%                      +8 units
    49%                      +29 units
    50%                      +50 units
    51%                      +71 units
    52%                      +92 units
    53%                      +113 units
    54%                      +134 units
     
    I won't use anything above 54% because it just won't happen. Last year I hit over 53.4% and as such, had an outstanding season. Even if I don't reach that standard, at 50%, I will still make a handsome profit.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2008 - 1:29 PM ET #3

    REDUCED JUICE BOOKS ARE IMPORTANT TO USE.
     
    It is scary to think that some baseball bettors actually play through books that offer 20 cent lines. Simply put, that is suicide. In fact, I am guilty too, as last season I played at 10 cent shops and did not use Matchbook or Pinnacle, which are two of the major reduced juice shops. For those of you not familiar with places like Matchbook, you can basically play with 1% juice. When a game is -120, take back +110 at dime shops, at Matchbook, it is probably -115/+115 and there is 1% juice charged to the winner. Here is a comparison of what I would expect if I averaged +110 for the season at a reduced shop like matchbook, compared to a 10 cent line which would cost me five cents per play overall (meaning I would average +105, thus the +105 column below), compared to a 20 cent line which would cost me 10 cents per play on average (meaning I would average +100, thus the +100 column below):
     
     
    Win %         +110             +105        +100 
    47.7             Even            -22.15u      -46u
    48%            +8 units        -16u           -40u
    49%            +29 units      +4.5u         -20u
    50%            +50 units      +25u          EVEN
    51%            +71 units      +45.5u        +20u
    52%            +92 units      +66u           +40u
    53%            +113 units    +86.5u        +60u
    54%            +134 units    +107u         +80u
     
    By using a reduced shop like Matchbook compared to 10 cent and 20 cent shops, if I hit 50%, I earn 50 units on the season in my example, but at the 10 cent store, I would earn 25 units and at the 20 cent store, I would breakeven. These are HUGE differences. I reviewed my numbers from last year and had I used a reduced juice book like Matchbook and averaged a savings of 5 cents per game (that is conservative as it is closer to 8% if you are a good shopper) then I would've earned an additional 39 units last season. YOU MUST USE A REDUCED JUICE BOOK.
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    REDUCED JUICE BOOKS ARE IMPORTANT TO USE.
     
    It is scary to think that some baseball bettors actually play through books that offer 20 cent lines. Simply put, that is suicide. In fact, I am guilty too, as last season I played at 10 cent shops and did not use Matchbook or Pinnacle, which are two of the major reduced juice shops. For those of you not familiar with places like Matchbook, you can basically play with 1% juice. When a game is -120, take back +110 at dime shops, at Matchbook, it is probably -115/+115 and there is 1% juice charged to the winner. Here is a comparison of what I would expect if I averaged +110 for the season at a reduced shop like matchbook, compared to a 10 cent line which would cost me five cents per play overall (meaning I would average +105, thus the +105 column below), compared to a 20 cent line which would cost me 10 cents per play on average (meaning I would average +100, thus the +100 column below):
     
     
    Win %         +110             +105        +100 
    47.7             Even            -22.15u      -46u
    48%            +8 units        -16u           -40u
    49%            +29 units      +4.5u         -20u
    50%            +50 units      +25u          EVEN
    51%            +71 units      +45.5u        +20u
    52%            +92 units      +66u           +40u
    53%            +113 units    +86.5u        +60u
    54%            +134 units    +107u         +80u
     
    By using a reduced shop like Matchbook compared to 10 cent and 20 cent shops, if I hit 50%, I earn 50 units on the season in my example, but at the 10 cent store, I would earn 25 units and at the 20 cent store, I would breakeven. These are HUGE differences. I reviewed my numbers from last year and had I used a reduced juice book like Matchbook and averaged a savings of 5 cents per game (that is conservative as it is closer to 8% if you are a good shopper) then I would've earned an additional 39 units last season. YOU MUST USE A REDUCED JUICE BOOK.
     
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    Nice write-up. 
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    How is it going GameHunter?
     
    I personally think you should post in the box.
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    How is it going GameHunter?
     
    I personally think you should post in the box.
     
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    HANDICAPPING GAMES.
     
    The key to handicapping baseball is searching for value in relation to the line. A bet in baseball should not necessarily be a bet on who you think will win, but rather who you think will outperform the line and odds and provides the best value. Take for example opening day with the Yankees hosting the Bluejays. Depending on the line, I could invest in the Yankees in certain circumstances or the Bluejays in others so it is clear my wager is not based upon who I think will necessarily win the game, but rather who based upon my handicapping, provides the best value. Said in a different way, I am shooting to determine which team I think linemakers and the general public are undervaluing based upon my techniques of handicapping. If the Yankees open up at EVEN in that game, I very well could play the Yankees. If the Yankees open up at -130, I could very well invest in the Bluejays.
     
    I like to think of each game I handicap as based upon my research and understanding of a particular line, if the two teams in question played 100 times under the same fact pattern, how many time (what %) do I think in my mind each team would win, particularly, how many time will the underdog win. Here are the breakeven points for the percentage times a team must win if they win a game a certain % of times:
     
    %Win         Breakeven Line
    50%                 Even
    48%                +109
    46%                +118
    44%                +127
    42%                +138
    40%                +150
    38%                +163
    36%                +178
    34%                +194
    32%                +212
     
    I highlighted the 40%/+150 line, because that is the line where a team in this situation would have to perform at the level of the worst team in baseball's performance over the course of the season (40%). When I break down each game, if I feel a team will perform better than the line, then it is worth an investment. For example, if on opening day, I believe the Bluejays have a 46% chance of winning in my mind, if I can get reasonable value better than +118 (say, maybe 123 to 125+), then I am buying. Set in non-arithmatic terms, if I think there are factors that linemakers and typical gamblers are not factoring into the line of a particular game that I think are relevant to one side, it will often mean I believe that team will outperform the line and I will invest in them.
     
    I have read a lot of gibberish that writeups are tripe and just ways a poster tries to convince a reader on why to play a certain side. I view it differently. When I wrote games up last season, the writeups were basically the relevant statistics which I saw as reasons why the side I was supporting was undervalued with respect to the line. It's not necessarily the reasons why one team will win the game, but analytical reasons why I believed the team I was betting provided better value than was seen by linemakers and the general public.
     
    Here is a random writeup I pulled from last season on September 10th:
     
    OAKLAND +106 (L) (1.75 UNITS) - Bazooka Joe Blanton has gone from my fade list to buy list in less than 3 weeks. He has really turned things around and in his last 5 starts tossing 34 innings and allowing 29 hits, 9 tuns, 1 home run and a 25:3 K:BB ratio. Last outing against the Angels on the road was a gem as after allowing 2 first inning runs he followed with 7 scoreless innings. He had a lot of movement on his pitches and was hitting his spots. Meanwhile, Horacio Ramirez might be 8-5 this season but the numbers are not impressive. In his last 9 starts he has thrown 49 innings and allowed 69 hits, 42 runs, 8 home runs and had a 24:21 K:BB ratio. The Mariners have really begun to free fall and even after yesterday's football like 14-7 win, they are 2-13 in their last 15 games. Their bullpen, which has been their strong point most of the season, has abandoned them and we should see the pen early today.
     
    Simply stated, in this game, the things I wrote about were reasons why at +106, the A's were a solid investment. The information included factors which I thought were relevant but not the typical information which may have been factored into the line by linemakers or the betting public and why that day the A's provided value in comparison to the line.
     
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    HANDICAPPING GAMES.
     
    The key to handicapping baseball is searching for value in relation to the line. A bet in baseball should not necessarily be a bet on who you think will win, but rather who you think will outperform the line and odds and provides the best value. Take for example opening day with the Yankees hosting the Bluejays. Depending on the line, I could invest in the Yankees in certain circumstances or the Bluejays in others so it is clear my wager is not based upon who I think will necessarily win the game, but rather who based upon my handicapping, provides the best value. Said in a different way, I am shooting to determine which team I think linemakers and the general public are undervaluing based upon my techniques of handicapping. If the Yankees open up at EVEN in that game, I very well could play the Yankees. If the Yankees open up at -130, I could very well invest in the Bluejays.
     
    I like to think of each game I handicap as based upon my research and understanding of a particular line, if the two teams in question played 100 times under the same fact pattern, how many time (what %) do I think in my mind each team would win, particularly, how many time will the underdog win. Here are the breakeven points for the percentage times a team must win if they win a game a certain % of times:
     
    %Win         Breakeven Line
    50%                 Even
    48%                +109
    46%                +118
    44%                +127
    42%                +138
    40%                +150
    38%                +163
    36%                +178
    34%                +194
    32%                +212
     
    I highlighted the 40%/+150 line, because that is the line where a team in this situation would have to perform at the level of the worst team in baseball's performance over the course of the season (40%). When I break down each game, if I feel a team will perform better than the line, then it is worth an investment. For example, if on opening day, I believe the Bluejays have a 46% chance of winning in my mind, if I can get reasonable value better than +118 (say, maybe 123 to 125+), then I am buying. Set in non-arithmatic terms, if I think there are factors that linemakers and typical gamblers are not factoring into the line of a particular game that I think are relevant to one side, it will often mean I believe that team will outperform the line and I will invest in them.
     
    I have read a lot of gibberish that writeups are tripe and just ways a poster tries to convince a reader on why to play a certain side. I view it differently. When I wrote games up last season, the writeups were basically the relevant statistics which I saw as reasons why the side I was supporting was undervalued with respect to the line. It's not necessarily the reasons why one team will win the game, but analytical reasons why I believed the team I was betting provided better value than was seen by linemakers and the general public.
     
    Here is a random writeup I pulled from last season on September 10th:
     
    OAKLAND +106 (L) (1.75 UNITS) - Bazooka Joe Blanton has gone from my fade list to buy list in less than 3 weeks. He has really turned things around and in his last 5 starts tossing 34 innings and allowing 29 hits, 9 tuns, 1 home run and a 25:3 K:BB ratio. Last outing against the Angels on the road was a gem as after allowing 2 first inning runs he followed with 7 scoreless innings. He had a lot of movement on his pitches and was hitting his spots. Meanwhile, Horacio Ramirez might be 8-5 this season but the numbers are not impressive. In his last 9 starts he has thrown 49 innings and allowed 69 hits, 42 runs, 8 home runs and had a 24:21 K:BB ratio. The Mariners have really begun to free fall and even after yesterday's football like 14-7 win, they are 2-13 in their last 15 games. Their bullpen, which has been their strong point most of the season, has abandoned them and we should see the pen early today.
     
    Simply stated, in this game, the things I wrote about were reasons why at +106, the A's were a solid investment. The information included factors which I thought were relevant but not the typical information which may have been factored into the line by linemakers or the betting public and why that day the A's provided value in comparison to the line.
     
     
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    I am not going to get deep into my baseball handicapping techniques because it really isn't an exact science for which there is a recipe. I rely heavily on SABERMETRICS, lefty-righty matchups, ballpark trends and configurations as they related to individual pitching styles, current form of pitchers, base running and fielding attributes, bullpen use, pitcher-hitter matchups, weather, umpires, home/road trends, managing styles, ground ball, fly ball pitching and hitting trends, injury reports, hot and cold streaks and anything else I can get my hands on.
     
    Regardless of the factors you utilize as a handicapper, look for factors that are relevant to you which make you feel a team is being undervalued by the general public and linemakers. In your mind, never say, I love the Tigers tomorrow without knowing the line. if you love the Tigers that day, love them because you feel there are factors that provide value in your investment and not just because you think they will win.
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    I am not going to get deep into my baseball handicapping techniques because it really isn't an exact science for which there is a recipe. I rely heavily on SABERMETRICS, lefty-righty matchups, ballpark trends and configurations as they related to individual pitching styles, current form of pitchers, base running and fielding attributes, bullpen use, pitcher-hitter matchups, weather, umpires, home/road trends, managing styles, ground ball, fly ball pitching and hitting trends, injury reports, hot and cold streaks and anything else I can get my hands on.
     
    Regardless of the factors you utilize as a handicapper, look for factors that are relevant to you which make you feel a team is being undervalued by the general public and linemakers. In your mind, never say, I love the Tigers tomorrow without knowing the line. if you love the Tigers that day, love them because you feel there are factors that provide value in your investment and not just because you think they will win.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2008 - 1:33 PM ET #8

    Gamehunter, I just saw this post thru Speljager. This guy I met told me he made money by taking all the underdogs for the first 5 innings. He said he did well doing this. What do you think?
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    Gamehunter, I just saw this post thru Speljager. This guy I met told me he made money by taking all the underdogs for the first 5 innings. He said he did well doing this. What do you think?
     
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    Bagel Sandwiches Suck
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    Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:

    u should lay of the popcorn, tubby...

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    Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:

    u should lay of the popcorn, tubby...

     
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    I missed you baby.
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    I missed you baby.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2008 - 1:39 PM ET #12

    I agree with your main point that dogs in MLB have value. I don't agree with your comparison between MLB and other sports though. For one, the length of the season in MLB is double that of the NBA and 10 X that of the NFL or NCAA football. The length of the overall season and the importance of pitching in MLB makes it tougher to predict outcomes on a day to day basis. That's why the ML are lower than other sports.

    I like your overall thinking but I don't think you can correlate ML disparities between MLB and other sports equally.


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    I agree with your main point that dogs in MLB have value. I don't agree with your comparison between MLB and other sports though. For one, the length of the season in MLB is double that of the NBA and 10 X that of the NFL or NCAA football. The length of the overall season and the importance of pitching in MLB makes it tougher to predict outcomes on a day to day basis. That's why the ML are lower than other sports.

    I like your overall thinking but I don't think you can correlate ML disparities between MLB and other sports equally.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2008 - 1:40 PM ET #13

    Gamehunter you are not Speljager as well right
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    Gamehunter you are not Speljager as well right
     
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    Who was the original cut n paste of that? You or splege?
     
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    Who was the original cut n paste of that? You or splege?
     
     
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    I'm not trying to be a dick but I thought this Speljager guy might have been you about a month ago and he posts your writeup about ten minutes before you and then says in the next post that he recieved this from you in an email
     
    Did you log in on the wrong account? I have stuck up for you in the past but if that is your alias you might have some explaining to do.
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    I'm not trying to be a dick but I thought this Speljager guy might have been you about a month ago and he posts your writeup about ten minutes before you and then says in the next post that he recieved this from you in an email
     
    Did you log in on the wrong account? I have stuck up for you in the past but if that is your alias you might have some explaining to do.
     
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    Speljager posted it first but did not mention GameHunter until the second post. Something smells a little fishy right now.
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    Speljager posted it first but did not mention GameHunter until the second post. Something smells a little fishy right now.
     
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    Nice write-up.
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    Nice write-up.
     
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    Having an alias is a bannable offense.
     
     
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    Having an alias is a bannable offense.
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by weezy:

    Speljager posted it first but did not mention GameHunter until the second post. Something smells a little fishy right now.

    It shouldn't surprise anyone that nothing is simple or without drama and reasonable questions on the veracity of certain posts........

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    Quote Originally Posted by weezy:

    Speljager posted it first but did not mention GameHunter until the second post. Something smells a little fishy right now.

    It shouldn't surprise anyone that nothing is simple or without drama and reasonable questions on the veracity of certain posts........

     
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    I read this exact writeup somewhere else by someone other than F5 and his alias.
     
    Let me go find it.
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    I read this exact writeup somewhere else by someone other than F5 and his alias.
     
    Let me go find it.
     
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    Some of you guys are unreal. I worked on this for several days and sent it out to a lot of people the past two days who contacted me by email. I said I would be posting it here. I didn't ask anyone to post it.
     
    I see it got posted by Speljager who wrote me about 30 minutes ago and who I have emailed several times like many other people. I mentioned I would post it in the Penalty Box. I posted the entire article. He sent me an apology. End of story.
     
    I have been accused of being 100 aliases so if you want to add one more, go for it. It doesn't matter to me. I thought some would appreciate this post. If this is going to turn into another one of those back and forth threads, good bye!
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    Some of you guys are unreal. I worked on this for several days and sent it out to a lot of people the past two days who contacted me by email. I said I would be posting it here. I didn't ask anyone to post it.
     
    I see it got posted by Speljager who wrote me about 30 minutes ago and who I have emailed several times like many other people. I mentioned I would post it in the Penalty Box. I posted the entire article. He sent me an apology. End of story.
     
    I have been accused of being 100 aliases so if you want to add one more, go for it. It doesn't matter to me. I thought some would appreciate this post. If this is going to turn into another one of those back and forth threads, good bye!
     
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    one of the best write-up's i have ever read
     
    Gamehunter- i have bet every dog every day blind in NHL after the all- star break, I was posting in the hockey forum and lost a week due to a business trip and stop posting but continued the system. This is a test for baeball and will be doing the same thing when baseball starts!!  i love dogs in money line sports!!!!!!!!!!!
     
      record at present  151 -168  ++37.45 units since NHL all-star break!!
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    one of the best write-up's i have ever read
     
    Gamehunter- i have bet every dog every day blind in NHL after the all- star break, I was posting in the hockey forum and lost a week due to a business trip and stop posting but continued the system. This is a test for baeball and will be doing the same thing when baseball starts!!  i love dogs in money line sports!!!!!!!!!!!
     
      record at present  151 -168  ++37.45 units since NHL all-star break!!
     thanx for a wonderful read
     
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    Oh shit    wait until Helmut gets here.  
     
     
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    Oh shit    wait until Helmut gets here.  
     
     
      chaos in the box
     
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    helmut says hi
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    GH, all jokes aside, but if you are selling and/or giving that spelg idiot your writeups, and he is cut n pasting your work as his own, I'd cut that scumbag off real quick.
     
    I doubt with all of the recent drama, that you really want some jack off like that plagiarizing your writeups in here for obvious reasons.
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    GH, all jokes aside, but if you are selling and/or giving that spelg idiot your writeups, and he is cut n pasting your work as his own, I'd cut that scumbag off real quick.
     
    I doubt with all of the recent drama, that you really want some jack off like that plagiarizing your writeups in here for obvious reasons.
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