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    Cycling: 2009 Giro d'Italia

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    Posted: May. 30, 2009 - 12:01 PM ET #126

    Pinotti was your pick last year ?
     
    Leipheimer won't show up tomorrow. He's too far for either a win or a podium. He will simply ride his bike one last time in the Giro accepting his disappointing position.
     
    If you have a chance, fade Leipheimer for good value.
     
    Armstrong should look pretty good completing his training for France.
     
    Di Luca will give eveything he has but unfortunatly, Menchov is a stronger timetrialist and will finish at the top of the ranking.
     
    Garmin would appreciate a win in their speciality, can Zabriksie stand ? Pate, Millar and Wiggins should show nice results.
     
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    Pinotti was your pick last year ?
     
    Leipheimer won't show up tomorrow. He's too far for either a win or a podium. He will simply ride his bike one last time in the Giro accepting his disappointing position.
     
    If you have a chance, fade Leipheimer for good value.
     
    Armstrong should look pretty good completing his training for France.
     
    Di Luca will give eveything he has but unfortunatly, Menchov is a stronger timetrialist and will finish at the top of the ranking.
     
    Garmin would appreciate a win in their speciality, can Zabriksie stand ? Pate, Millar and Wiggins should show nice results.
     
     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2009 - 10:43 PM ET #127

    Okay this TT course does not suit Leipheimer or Zabriskie or Bruseghin. It doesn't suit Voigt. Too technical. It suits a rider who is a good pursuit rider. Wiggins.
     
    It suits Rogers and it suits Pinotti. It suits Wiggins.
    It doesn't suit Armstrong.
     
    Therefore, smart money will say Wiggins. He should win this. $3, happy with that. I'll make the decision on who I back in the next few hours.
    Could be something like 10 units on Wiggins @ $3 and 2 unit on Pinotti @ $10
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    Okay this TT course does not suit Leipheimer or Zabriskie or Bruseghin. It doesn't suit Voigt. Too technical. It suits a rider who is a good pursuit rider. Wiggins.
     
    It suits Rogers and it suits Pinotti. It suits Wiggins.
    It doesn't suit Armstrong.
     
    Therefore, smart money will say Wiggins. He should win this. $3, happy with that. I'll make the decision on who I back in the next few hours.
    Could be something like 10 units on Wiggins @ $3 and 2 unit on Pinotti @ $10
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 3:00 AM ET #128

    With the overalls taken into consideration, I'm down 4 odd units. I need a good TT here to make the Giro look respectable. Or just count my losses and move onto the Dauphine.

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    With the overalls taken into consideration, I'm down 4 odd units. I need a good TT here to make the Giro look respectable. Or just count my losses and move onto the Dauphine.

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 6:07 AM ET #129

    Let's save face.

    12 units Wiggins @ $3.50
    3 units Pinotti @ $12

    Good luck

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    Let's save face.

    12 units Wiggins @ $3.50
    3 units Pinotti @ $12

    Good luck

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 9:49 AM ET #130

    What about the rain ? Wiggins finished 2nd 1sec behind Konovalov
     
    You can now only hope for Pinotti leaving the hunt at in 4 minutes.
     
    And what are your total units won ?
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    What about the rain ? Wiggins finished 2nd 1sec behind Konovalov
     
    You can now only hope for Pinotti leaving the hunt at in 4 minutes.
     
    And what are your total units won ?
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 10:39 AM ET #131

    Live play!
    11 units on Konovolovas @ $3.20
    4 units on Leipheimer @ $3.50
    With Leipheimer and Menchov to come and the course wet, I don't think his time will be beat.
     
    If these two don't get up, I'm like down 30 units. If Konovovas wins, I will make a profit of a couple of units.
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    Live play!
    11 units on Konovolovas @ $3.20
    4 units on Leipheimer @ $3.50
    With Leipheimer and Menchov to come and the course wet, I don't think his time will be beat.
     
    If these two don't get up, I'm like down 30 units. If Konovovas wins, I will make a profit of a couple of units.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 10:47 AM ET #132

    Konovolovas went from 1.20 to 2.50 in live action because on the change in temperature.  Armstrong is about to finish, probably around 40th.  I still believe Menchov will make it to the top.
     
    Right after Wiggins 2nd place, Leipheimer was @ 11
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    Konovolovas went from 1.20 to 2.50 in live action because on the change in temperature.  Armstrong is about to finish, probably around 40th.  I still believe Menchov will make it to the top.
     
    Right after Wiggins 2nd place, Leipheimer was @ 11
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 11:08 AM ET #133

    This is getting crazy, Di Luca has the better time so far and Menchov is 5 sec back.  The gap between the 2 riders is at 20 sec.
     
    Leipheimer finished far behind with a time of 19:35
     
    Can Di Luca finish 1st by more than 20 sec on Menchov ?
     
    Probably not more than 19.
     
     
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    This is getting crazy, Di Luca has the better time so far and Menchov is 5 sec back.  The gap between the 2 riders is at 20 sec.
     
    Leipheimer finished far behind with a time of 19:35
     
    Can Di Luca finish 1st by more than 20 sec on Menchov ?
     
    Probably not more than 19.
     
     
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 11:34 AM ET #134

    WOW...About a 20 meters on the cobblestone, then he was totaly confused but get on a new bike and finish the race 20 sec in front of Di Luca.
     
    You won your live in play bet because of this crash.
     
    You ended up with profits as you deserve it.
     
    Here were my last stage plays :
     
    Menchov over Leipheimer @ 2.48 ( 4 units )
    Rogers over Hagen @ 2.34 ( 2.5 units )
    Di Luca over Pellizotti @ 1.794 ( 3 units )
    Basso over Sastre @ 1.758 ( 3 units )
    Rogers over Armstrong @ 1.741 ( 2.5 units )
     
    Finishing the stage with 4.55 units up
     
    At the end of the Giro :
     
    Overall units : -20.29 units ( H2H )
     
    Props play : All winners ( +17 units )
     
    7 units on Thomas Lovkvist over Ryder Hesjedal @ 1.781**Cancelled
     
    6.5 units on Gilberto Simoni over Michele Scarponi @ 1.813
    7 units on Menchov over Sastre @ 1.787
    7 units on Bruseghin over Scarponi @ 1.885
     
     
    Total wagering : -3.29 units (12-16)
     
    I'll be there for the Dauphine starting within 10 days
     
     
     
     
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    WOW...About a 20 meters on the cobblestone, then he was totaly confused but get on a new bike and finish the race 20 sec in front of Di Luca.
     
    You won your live in play bet because of this crash.
     
    You ended up with profits as you deserve it.
     
    Here were my last stage plays :
     
    Menchov over Leipheimer @ 2.48 ( 4 units )
    Rogers over Hagen @ 2.34 ( 2.5 units )
    Di Luca over Pellizotti @ 1.794 ( 3 units )
    Basso over Sastre @ 1.758 ( 3 units )
    Rogers over Armstrong @ 1.741 ( 2.5 units )
     
    Finishing the stage with 4.55 units up
     
    At the end of the Giro :
     
    Overall units : -20.29 units ( H2H )
     
    Props play : All winners ( +17 units )
     
    7 units on Thomas Lovkvist over Ryder Hesjedal @ 1.781**Cancelled
     
    6.5 units on Gilberto Simoni over Michele Scarponi @ 1.813
    7 units on Menchov over Sastre @ 1.787
    7 units on Bruseghin over Scarponi @ 1.885
     
     
    Total wagering : -3.29 units (12-16)
     
    I'll be there for the Dauphine starting within 10 days
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 11:34 AM ET #135

    Menchov crashed with 1500m to go. Would have taken the stage win.

    I'm too tired to work out my profit or loss tonight. I assume that I made a profit of under 1 unit. Could have been a lot worse. Or did I lose? I calculated a loss of about 4.31 units to start the stage. Finished with 5.20. So I think I made a profit of .89 units?
     
    If Voeckler actually was a man last night and Wiggins didn't lose to this unknown kid, then I would have made a huge profit. But that's Gambling. You take your wins. You take your losses. Truth be told I escaped out of Jail a few times in this Giro thanks to Cavendish and then thanks to this kid tonight. Horrible Giro.
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    Menchov crashed with 1500m to go. Would have taken the stage win.

    I'm too tired to work out my profit or loss tonight. I assume that I made a profit of under 1 unit. Could have been a lot worse. Or did I lose? I calculated a loss of about 4.31 units to start the stage. Finished with 5.20. So I think I made a profit of .89 units?
     
    If Voeckler actually was a man last night and Wiggins didn't lose to this unknown kid, then I would have made a huge profit. But that's Gambling. You take your wins. You take your losses. Truth be told I escaped out of Jail a few times in this Giro thanks to Cavendish and then thanks to this kid tonight. Horrible Giro.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 11:36 AM ET #136

    Yeah, it looks like you saved you arse too Nick? It was a horrible Giro.
     
    If I didn't bet on the last few stages It would have been 20+ unit profit. But that's gambling. It was a horrible Giro and we are both to escape from it reasonably well. Could have been a lot worse. I could have been 30+ units down today.
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    Yeah, it looks like you saved you arse too Nick? It was a horrible Giro.
     
    If I didn't bet on the last few stages It would have been 20+ unit profit. But that's gambling. It was a horrible Giro and we are both to escape from it reasonably well. Could have been a lot worse. I could have been 30+ units down today.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 11:36 AM ET #137

    Dauphine then Switzerland then the Tour. Big 2 months of betting.
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    Dauphine then Switzerland then the Tour. Big 2 months of betting.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 5:44 PM ET #138

    I made so really good bets but many were terrible.   I once jumped on a bet without looking at the stage details, a terrible mistake that I have to pay attention in the future.

    I ran out of funds in the middle of the Giro due to pending bets on other sports, it shouldn't happen anymore.

    At least, I had good props which saved my ass.

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    I made so really good bets but many were terrible.   I once jumped on a bet without looking at the stage details, a terrible mistake that I have to pay attention in the future.

    I ran out of funds in the middle of the Giro due to pending bets on other sports, it shouldn't happen anymore.

    At least, I had good props which saved my ass.

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 6:07 PM ET #139

    Quote Originally Posted by Bolar:


    . But that's Gambling. You take your wins. You take your losses. Truth be told I escaped out of Jail a few times in this Giro thanks to Cavendish and then thanks to this kid tonight. Horrible Giro.


      Well put. It was quite enjoyable to follow the action through this thread. I did make good use of your analysis for this last day of racing and made a decent day's worth of profit with 3 winning picks (matchups).

    Here is a suggestion: More head-to-head bets ! You have been right on so many times when comparing two riders and analyzing their style. That's where the value is IMHO. As always, thanks for taking the time to come in here and share your knowledge about this sport. Very much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolar:


    . But that's Gambling. You take your wins. You take your losses. Truth be told I escaped out of Jail a few times in this Giro thanks to Cavendish and then thanks to this kid tonight. Horrible Giro.


      Well put. It was quite enjoyable to follow the action through this thread. I did make good use of your analysis for this last day of racing and made a decent day's worth of profit with 3 winning picks (matchups).

    Here is a suggestion: More head-to-head bets ! You have been right on so many times when comparing two riders and analyzing their style. That's where the value is IMHO. As always, thanks for taking the time to come in here and share your knowledge about this sport. Very much appreciated.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2009 - 6:32 AM ET #140

    Thanks guys.
     
    Which 3 wins did you get in the last stage?
     
    Yeah I know that's where Head to Heads are. Don't you worry. I'll be looking at them more in the next 2 months. Don't be surprised if all I put down is head to head. With some of my money in some of my australian betting accounts i'm going to load up Pinacle and bet more H2H's.
     
    Yeah, I figure that I'm right on most occasions when it comes to head to head. If you look at my analysis you can win some head to heads and it's good to see I have helped you both.
     
    Expect more knowledgable posts in the coming months. Keep an eye out for Dauphine and Switzerland.
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    Thanks guys.
     
    Which 3 wins did you get in the last stage?
     
    Yeah I know that's where Head to Heads are. Don't you worry. I'll be looking at them more in the next 2 months. Don't be surprised if all I put down is head to head. With some of my money in some of my australian betting accounts i'm going to load up Pinacle and bet more H2H's.
     
    Yeah, I figure that I'm right on most occasions when it comes to head to head. If you look at my analysis you can win some head to heads and it's good to see I have helped you both.
     
    Expect more knowledgable posts in the coming months. Keep an eye out for Dauphine and Switzerland.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2009 - 6:33 AM ET #141

    I'll give you a tip right now. If Krueziger is riding Dauphine or Switzerland, he'll win. Mark my words!
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    I'll give you a tip right now. If Krueziger is riding Dauphine or Switzerland, he'll win. Mark my words!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2009 - 6:36 AM ET #142

    I anticipate Roman's price. I'll be jumping on it whatever it is.
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    I anticipate Roman's price. I'll be jumping on it whatever it is.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2009 - 8:34 AM ET #143

    Quote Originally Posted by Bolar:

    Thanks guys.
     
    Which 3 wins did you get in the last stage?
     
    Yeah I know that's where Head to Heads are. Don't you worry. I'll be looking at them more in the next 2 months. Don't be surprised if all I put down is head to head. With some of my money in some of my australian betting accounts i'm going to load up Pinacle and bet more H2H's.
     
    Yeah, I figure that I'm right on most occasions when it comes to head to head. If you look at my analysis you can win some head to heads and it's good to see I have helped you both.
     
    Expect more knowledgable posts in the coming months. Keep an eye out for Dauphine and Switzerland.


    Once I read the paragraph about who you though was fit for the time trial course, I jumped on these matchups. N1ck also helped me out as he had most of these head to head picks confirmed before the start of the trial but seeing your analysis really made me feel comfortable playing them :

    Denis Menchov vs Levy Leipheimer    @ 2.39

    Danilo Di Luca vs Ivan Basso  @ 1.588   ( this was close ... too close )

    Michael Rogers vs Lance Armstrong  @ 2.02

    Look at these odds I got on Pinnacle. Thats what I mean by looking for value on these sites based on the perspective of people who know this sport inside out like you guys.

    Heard Armstrong did not recuperate that well after his crash the other day and then learned that the TT course fit Rogers' style from you so that's all it took.

    The only drawback of using this strategy is that the maximum bet is quite low and increases as time goes by so you might have to wait a bit before placing bigger bets on the head to head.

    But, the thing is, it's worth it because these picks cash in much more frequently that a long shot with a rider winning the stage. I say picking the winner of a tour or stage is the fun part ( kind of like picking a horse in a race to win it all ) but the value and true  prognosticating lies in the matchups.

    Cheer  .


    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by Bolar:

    Thanks guys.
     
    Which 3 wins did you get in the last stage?
     
    Yeah I know that's where Head to Heads are. Don't you worry. I'll be looking at them more in the next 2 months. Don't be surprised if all I put down is head to head. With some of my money in some of my australian betting accounts i'm going to load up Pinacle and bet more H2H's.
     
    Yeah, I figure that I'm right on most occasions when it comes to head to head. If you look at my analysis you can win some head to heads and it's good to see I have helped you both.
     
    Expect more knowledgable posts in the coming months. Keep an eye out for Dauphine and Switzerland.


    Once I read the paragraph about who you though was fit for the time trial course, I jumped on these matchups. N1ck also helped me out as he had most of these head to head picks confirmed before the start of the trial but seeing your analysis really made me feel comfortable playing them :

    Denis Menchov vs Levy Leipheimer    @ 2.39

    Danilo Di Luca vs Ivan Basso  @ 1.588   ( this was close ... too close )

    Michael Rogers vs Lance Armstrong  @ 2.02

    Look at these odds I got on Pinnacle. Thats what I mean by looking for value on these sites based on the perspective of people who know this sport inside out like you guys.

    Heard Armstrong did not recuperate that well after his crash the other day and then learned that the TT course fit Rogers' style from you so that's all it took.

    The only drawback of using this strategy is that the maximum bet is quite low and increases as time goes by so you might have to wait a bit before placing bigger bets on the head to head.

    But, the thing is, it's worth it because these picks cash in much more frequently that a long shot with a rider winning the stage. I say picking the winner of a tour or stage is the fun part ( kind of like picking a horse in a race to win it all ) but the value and true  prognosticating lies in the matchups.

    Cheer  .


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