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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2008 - 10:48 PM ET #26

    McVeigh out for the Bombers?

    Uh-oh........................they're in trouble.  Scratch that value prediction on the Bombers.  Saints look better now, especially, as showme said, their past fixtures were against tough teams so they will be a little undervalued at the moment.
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    McVeigh out for the Bombers?

    Uh-oh........................they're in trouble.  Scratch that value prediction on the Bombers.  Saints look better now, especially, as showme said, their past fixtures were against tough teams so they will be a little undervalued at the moment.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2008 - 11:47 PM ET #27

    OK, just pulled up the lines.  Let's think about first impressions:

    As mentioned before, the Saints -18.5 look solid if McVeigh is still out and Lloyd will not be risked.  Saints undervalued and hungry.  In big trouble if they drop this one to a hurt Essendon.  Bombers run-up against a tough defense with main attacking options out.

    Adelaide -17.5 might be a winner.  The Crows are heaps better than the Dockers, IMO, and I will have to look at the venue stats, histories, and match-ups here.  Crows a little under-rated at the moment and the Dockers a little over-rated.

    Hawthorn -7.5 looks solid and will probably hit this one unless I find something to scare me off.

    Roos +9.5 look value, but a lot here to look at, especially since the Pies will be fired up after that crushing loss to Richmond.  Will have to look into it some more to see what there is in it.

    Sydney +25.5 looks great....but looks can be deceiving.  Who would have thought Sydney would be getting 25.5 in any round?!   Geelong is the top team in the League at the moment, but they have not be truly tested yet.  They only beat the Dees by 30.  Again, a lot of things here could be misleading, but will have to look into it.  Definitely not considering taking the Cats in this spot as Sydney will consider this the match of the season so far and they will be out to steal the limelight away from Geelong (and the Hall debacle).

    Melbourne/Carlton...who knows.  Haven't much thought about this one yet.  Could be something here though.  Will have a think later.

    Bulldogs -19.5 look solid, especially with Richmond being tired and in a letdown situation after their big win last round.  Bulldogs are solid Top 4 material and will be looking to solidify that with a pounding here, especially since either the Cats or Swans will fall this round.

    Looking forward to hearing what everyone else thinks as well.  Let's pound 'em again this week guys!
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    OK, just pulled up the lines.  Let's think about first impressions:

    As mentioned before, the Saints -18.5 look solid if McVeigh is still out and Lloyd will not be risked.  Saints undervalued and hungry.  In big trouble if they drop this one to a hurt Essendon.  Bombers run-up against a tough defense with main attacking options out.

    Adelaide -17.5 might be a winner.  The Crows are heaps better than the Dockers, IMO, and I will have to look at the venue stats, histories, and match-ups here.  Crows a little under-rated at the moment and the Dockers a little over-rated.

    Hawthorn -7.5 looks solid and will probably hit this one unless I find something to scare me off.

    Roos +9.5 look value, but a lot here to look at, especially since the Pies will be fired up after that crushing loss to Richmond.  Will have to look into it some more to see what there is in it.

    Sydney +25.5 looks great....but looks can be deceiving.  Who would have thought Sydney would be getting 25.5 in any round?!   Geelong is the top team in the League at the moment, but they have not be truly tested yet.  They only beat the Dees by 30.  Again, a lot of things here could be misleading, but will have to look into it.  Definitely not considering taking the Cats in this spot as Sydney will consider this the match of the season so far and they will be out to steal the limelight away from Geelong (and the Hall debacle).

    Melbourne/Carlton...who knows.  Haven't much thought about this one yet.  Could be something here though.  Will have a think later.

    Bulldogs -19.5 look solid, especially with Richmond being tired and in a letdown situation after their big win last round.  Bulldogs are solid Top 4 material and will be looking to solidify that with a pounding here, especially since either the Cats or Swans will fall this round.

    Looking forward to hearing what everyone else thinks as well.  Let's pound 'em again this week guys!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2008 - 11:55 PM ET #28

    Forgot about the WC/Port match-up.

    Not sure about the ability of WC right now to get up.  Port is a strong team which battles hard and that should concern the Eagles.  Have to check on the injury status of WC though before anything can be firmly said about this match.  The line shouldn't be too many points and if WC is still banged up, I like the desperation of Port to be a big factor in this one.

    As far as head-to-heads go:

    Hawthorn at 1.68 is very nice.  Although the -7.5 is not a lot to give up in this spot.

    Roos at 2.20 look a nice value, but may be enticed with the head-start if all things shake-out and the Kangas are backable this round.

    Sydney is very enticing at 4.40 and worth a shot.  That is at least a dollar too huge in my estimation and the books will have to risk it to avoid the public pounding the shit outta Geelong.....who stand at a very paltry 1.18.  Insulting to the Swans indeed.
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    Forgot about the WC/Port match-up.

    Not sure about the ability of WC right now to get up.  Port is a strong team which battles hard and that should concern the Eagles.  Have to check on the injury status of WC though before anything can be firmly said about this match.  The line shouldn't be too many points and if WC is still banged up, I like the desperation of Port to be a big factor in this one.

    As far as head-to-heads go:

    Hawthorn at 1.68 is very nice.  Although the -7.5 is not a lot to give up in this spot.

    Roos at 2.20 look a nice value, but may be enticed with the head-start if all things shake-out and the Kangas are backable this round.

    Sydney is very enticing at 4.40 and worth a shot.  That is at least a dollar too huge in my estimation and the books will have to risk it to avoid the public pounding the shit outta Geelong.....who stand at a very paltry 1.18.  Insulting to the Swans indeed.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2008 - 12:41 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    Personally I think the Eagles are value and I will be looking to take a slice of that +105 on offer against the winless Power team.

    One of the things of biggest concern with the eagles IMO, is that their lack of scoring power. They have traditionally been stronger defensively than offensively but they currently sit last for the amount of points scored, behind Melbourne!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    Personally I think the Eagles are value and I will be looking to take a slice of that +105 on offer against the winless Power team.

    One of the things of biggest concern with the eagles IMO, is that their lack of scoring power. They have traditionally been stronger defensively than offensively but they currently sit last for the amount of points scored, behind Melbourne!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2008 - 12:43 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    Personally I think the Eagles are value and I will be looking to take a slice of that +105 on offer against the winless Power team.

    One of the things of biggest concern with the eagles IMO, is that their lack of scoring power. They have traditionally been stronger defensively than offensively but they currently sit last for the amount of points scored, behind Melbourne!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    Personally I think the Eagles are value and I will be looking to take a slice of that +105 on offer against the winless Power team.

    One of the things of biggest concern with the eagles IMO, is that their lack of scoring power. They have traditionally been stronger defensively than offensively but they currently sit last for the amount of points scored, behind Melbourne!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2008 - 12:48 AM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by HeadOverHeart:

    McVeigh out for the Bombers?

    Uh-oh........................they're in trouble.  Scratch that value prediction on the Bombers.  Saints look better now, especially, as showme said, their past fixtures were against tough teams so they will be a little undervalued at the moment.

    David Hille didn't train yesterday. He was suffering from a pinched nerve in his shoulder parts of last game and was unable to lift his arm. If I find he's out I'm playing the Saints BIG, without McVeigh and Hille they will be screwed

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeadOverHeart:

    McVeigh out for the Bombers?

    Uh-oh........................they're in trouble.  Scratch that value prediction on the Bombers.  Saints look better now, especially, as showme said, their past fixtures were against tough teams so they will be a little undervalued at the moment.

    David Hille didn't train yesterday. He was suffering from a pinched nerve in his shoulder parts of last game and was unable to lift his arm. If I find he's out I'm playing the Saints BIG, without McVeigh and Hille they will be screwed

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2008 - 7:19 AM ET #32

    Well..now all we have to do is wait for the teams to come out tomorrow night.  Still liking the Hawks against Bris, but more than likely I will wait very patiently until the last game of the round in Perth. 
     
    Lots to like about this game.  The Eagles have had lots to think about this week with all the focus on the Hall and Staker incident.  With big Barry taking all the focus this week, everyone has slipped past the fact that Port haven't won a game this year. 
     
    And apart from the bad game against Syd they have played 'good' footy.  Lade will play his 200th game, they are a better running side, have shit loads of more scoring options than West Coast.  Like last week I just won't see where the scoring is going to come from.  Last week they scored 5 goals but had 20 shots on goal.  Port scored 16 goals with 24 shots on gaol...but lets look at the fact they had 15 shots on goal by half time, and you know the rest of the story with Port after this half time.
     
    I just won't see how the Eagles with their limited play makers like last week can we see them testing the midfield strength of Ports.
     
    GL gentleman on your plays, but I think with will be a good spot and game for me, and probably won't play any others as this is getting to be the funny part of the season as sides have played a few games now, and apart from Geel & prob Syd (excl Hall being out at the moment) sides may become inconsistent.  Oh...'MAY' add the Hawks to this list, but it is a watch and see at the moment.
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    Well..now all we have to do is wait for the teams to come out tomorrow night.  Still liking the Hawks against Bris, but more than likely I will wait very patiently until the last game of the round in Perth. 
     
    Lots to like about this game.  The Eagles have had lots to think about this week with all the focus on the Hall and Staker incident.  With big Barry taking all the focus this week, everyone has slipped past the fact that Port haven't won a game this year. 
     
    And apart from the bad game against Syd they have played 'good' footy.  Lade will play his 200th game, they are a better running side, have shit loads of more scoring options than West Coast.  Like last week I just won't see where the scoring is going to come from.  Last week they scored 5 goals but had 20 shots on goal.  Port scored 16 goals with 24 shots on gaol...but lets look at the fact they had 15 shots on goal by half time, and you know the rest of the story with Port after this half time.
     
    I just won't see how the Eagles with their limited play makers like last week can we see them testing the midfield strength of Ports.
     
    GL gentleman on your plays, but I think with will be a good spot and game for me, and probably won't play any others as this is getting to be the funny part of the season as sides have played a few games now, and apart from Geel & prob Syd (excl Hall being out at the moment) sides may become inconsistent.  Oh...'MAY' add the Hawks to this list, but it is a watch and see at the moment.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2008 - 10:06 PM ET #33

    Bombers expected changes this week. No real surprises... While not released to the media until 6pm, this is what it should be (from a club source).

    IN: Lloyd, Welsh, Monfries
    OUT: McVeigh (inj), Lonergan (inj), Peverill

     

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    Bombers expected changes this week. No real surprises... While not released to the media until 6pm, this is what it should be (from a club source).

    IN: Lloyd, Welsh, Monfries
    OUT: McVeigh (inj), Lonergan (inj), Peverill

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2008 - 10:16 PM ET #34

    So Lloyd and Welsh are in then, eh?  Well that sure muddies the soup a bit.

    Hmmmmmmm...
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    So Lloyd and Welsh are in then, eh?  Well that sure muddies the soup a bit.

    Hmmmmmmm...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2008 - 10:25 PM ET #35

    I still haven't made up my mind, the bombers have certainly been the surprise this year. Saints should be favoured but there are a couple of matchups that I think will worry the saints.

    Mainly, they need to put a tag on Stanton and I'm not sure if they have somebody up to the task. He was BOG last time they played. Between Hille and Stanton, they could go a long way to winning the midfield for the bombers. If McVeigh was in, I'd fancy the bombers to win the midfield, which would certainly keep them in the contest. Hmmm, bit more to think over for me in this one

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    I still haven't made up my mind, the bombers have certainly been the surprise this year. Saints should be favoured but there are a couple of matchups that I think will worry the saints.

    Mainly, they need to put a tag on Stanton and I'm not sure if they have somebody up to the task. He was BOG last time they played. Between Hille and Stanton, they could go a long way to winning the midfield for the bombers. If McVeigh was in, I'd fancy the bombers to win the midfield, which would certainly keep them in the contest. Hmmm, bit more to think over for me in this one

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2008 - 11:35 PM ET #36

    Peverill out as well
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    Peverill out as well
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    Peverill out as well

    Pev's out for poor form ecoute (apparently) as long as the players coming in survive it through training tonight
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    Peverill out as well

    Pev's out for poor form ecoute (apparently) as long as the players coming in survive it through training tonight
     
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    Tozer i've not been following the Dons this year but I know that Pev's role has become more of a tagger. I am wondering if the person they bring in for him will be able to tag any better of this is another reason to take the Saints.
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    Tozer i've not been following the Dons this year but I know that Pev's role has become more of a tagger. I am wondering if the person they bring in for him will be able to tag any better of this is another reason to take the Saints.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 12:35 AM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    Barry Hall. 6 weeks out imo. Bring back Nick Davis. No tantrums, longer kick, more accurate kick, greater speed, greater stamina, smarter player and half the price 

     Nick Davis in line for Swans call-up... He's back for Bazza https://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=58061

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    Barry Hall. 6 weeks out imo. Bring back Nick Davis. No tantrums, longer kick, more accurate kick, greater speed, greater stamina, smarter player and half the price 

     Nick Davis in line for Swans call-up... He's back for Bazza https://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=58061

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 12:41 AM ET #40

    Still feel that Hawthorn -6.5 is very nice.

    Is this being overlooked?
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    Still feel that Hawthorn -6.5 is very nice.

    Is this being overlooked?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 1:07 AM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    Tozer i've not been following the Dons this year but I know that Pev's role has become more of a tagger. I am wondering if the person they bring in for him will be able to tag any better of this is another reason to take the Saints.
     
    If they are going to tag someone in the midfield then they can swap Slattery (who'll probably start interchange) for Dyson (rover).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    Tozer i've not been following the Dons this year but I know that Pev's role has become more of a tagger. I am wondering if the person they bring in for him will be able to tag any better of this is another reason to take the Saints.
     
    If they are going to tag someone in the midfield then they can swap Slattery (who'll probably start interchange) for Dyson (rover).
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 1:14 AM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by tozer:

     Nick Davis in line for Swans call-up... He's back for Bazza https://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=58061

    Thank you mate. And thank you for the info on possible Dons changes. Always helps having someone who knows the team

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    Quote Originally Posted by tozer:

     Nick Davis in line for Swans call-up... He's back for Bazza https://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=58061

    Thank you mate. And thank you for the info on possible Dons changes. Always helps having someone who knows the team

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 1:17 AM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by HeadOverHeart:

    Still feel that Hawthorn -6.5 is very nice.

    Is this being overlooked?

    Very interesting. I don't know if that line is like that because of the travel factor WA->TAS->QLD or if it has to do with matchups. Hawks will get trounced in the middle Lappin, Black, Power and this new kids Luenberger is a great find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeadOverHeart:

    Still feel that Hawthorn -6.5 is very nice.

    Is this being overlooked?

    Very interesting. I don't know if that line is like that because of the travel factor WA->TAS->QLD or if it has to do with matchups. Hawks will get trounced in the middle Lappin, Black, Power and this new kids Luenberger is a great find.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 1:18 AM ET #44

    What do you mean MAY?
     
    https://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=58073
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    What do you mean MAY?
     
    https://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=58073
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 1:24 AM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    What do you mean MAY?
     
    https://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=58073

    Exactly, what kind of leader lets the team down like that, for that long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    What do you mean MAY?
     
    https://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=58073

    Exactly, what kind of leader lets the team down like that, for that long.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 1:38 AM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    Very interesting. I don't know if that line is like that because of the travel factor WA->TAS->QLD or if it has to do with matchups. Hawks will get trounced in the middle Lappin, Black, Power and this new kids Luenberger is a great find.

    Hopefully Charman will be back, I don't know if  there's a harder man in the AFL, he's worth every cent. Both teams aren't very far off being able to field their strongest team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    Very interesting. I don't know if that line is like that because of the travel factor WA->TAS->QLD or if it has to do with matchups. Hawks will get trounced in the middle Lappin, Black, Power and this new kids Luenberger is a great find.

    Hopefully Charman will be back, I don't know if  there's a harder man in the AFL, he's worth every cent. Both teams aren't very far off being able to field their strongest team.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 2:08 AM ET #47

    Lions/hawks
    Like most games, this should be won in the midfield but if Trent Croad doesn't make it back this week from injury then it could pose some danger for the hawks. Quote from the lions website,

    "The Port Adelaide defensive duo of Alipate Carlisle and Toby Thurstans struggled to cope with Brown and Bradshaw last week – and it’s an area the Lions will again look to exploit on Saturday night. If Croad doesn’t come up, key defensive duties could be left to the likes of Thomas Murphy and Steven Gillham, who boast less than 50 games between them. It would be a huge ask."

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    Lions/hawks
    Like most games, this should be won in the midfield but if Trent Croad doesn't make it back this week from injury then it could pose some danger for the hawks. Quote from the lions website,

    "The Port Adelaide defensive duo of Alipate Carlisle and Toby Thurstans struggled to cope with Brown and Bradshaw last week – and it’s an area the Lions will again look to exploit on Saturday night. If Croad doesn’t come up, key defensive duties could be left to the likes of Thomas Murphy and Steven Gillham, who boast less than 50 games between them. It would be a huge ask."

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 2:20 AM ET #48

    Value bets:
    Highest scoring team Carlton $6.50 
     
    Not sure if I'd play it but thought would be appreciated, thanks
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    Value bets:
    Highest scoring team Carlton $6.50 
     
    Not sure if I'd play it but thought would be appreciated, thanks
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 9:51 AM ET #49

    Carlton to unwind on the Dees for a whopping $6.50 seems a very good bet in my opinion...
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    Carlton to unwind on the Dees for a whopping $6.50 seems a very good bet in my opinion...
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2008 - 9:58 AM ET #50

    Still feel that Hawthorn -6.5 is the AFL bet of the round.  You guys don't think so?  Everyone is back in for the Hawks:
     
    In: Croad, Lewis, Mitchell
    Out: Thomas Murphy (finger), Cameron Stokes, Travis Tuck (jarred knee)
     
    ...and I think that midfield will nullify the Lions.  Lions are being way overvalued here because of that stirring comeback last round.
     
    Am I missing something here?
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    Still feel that Hawthorn -6.5 is the AFL bet of the round.  You guys don't think so?  Everyone is back in for the Hawks:
     
    In: Croad, Lewis, Mitchell
    Out: Thomas Murphy (finger), Cameron Stokes, Travis Tuck (jarred knee)
     
    ...and I think that midfield will nullify the Lions.  Lions are being way overvalued here because of that stirring comeback last round.
     
    Am I missing something here?
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