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    Miracle1976
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2008 - 11:42 PM ET #1

    Just thought I'd start a thread (similar to what gmanea did last week) regarding this weeks games.  Not lines out yet thought but I'm sure we are smart enough to know roughly what the lines will be based on the SU prices avaliable at the moment.
     
    My learns are with the Bulldogs (-20), Syd (-25) and Freo (-40).
     
    The Bulldogs will be an interesting game with Ess...question is can the Bombers keep going at that pace (like against Carl last week) for two weeks in a row?  Playing a side which has adopted this style over the past 3-5 years 'should' play into the Bulldogs hands.  I said it last week in that Ess were more advanced than Carl, and again this week I believe the Dogs are more advanced than the Bombers.
     
    The Syd game is interesting, they look healthy and are playing that typical shut down game, and thus with their best chance in years to really pound the Eagles this is it. 
     
    And finally Freo I believe are a good side, and will play a large roll in the make up of the finals.  Quick question for Rich...who the hell is going to stop Pav...and lets be honest Rich are a shit side, and if it wasn't for Melb getting hammered in the first couple of rounds (and with their comeback win against the Blues in Rd 1) they would be equal favourites for the wooden spoon.
     
    Would love to hear the thoughts on the above or others games.  I will post the lines once they come out.  
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Just thought I'd start a thread (similar to what gmanea did last week) regarding this weeks games.  Not lines out yet thought but I'm sure we are smart enough to know roughly what the lines will be based on the SU prices avaliable at the moment.
     
    My learns are with the Bulldogs (-20), Syd (-25) and Freo (-40).
     
    The Bulldogs will be an interesting game with Ess...question is can the Bombers keep going at that pace (like against Carl last week) for two weeks in a row?  Playing a side which has adopted this style over the past 3-5 years 'should' play into the Bulldogs hands.  I said it last week in that Ess were more advanced than Carl, and again this week I believe the Dogs are more advanced than the Bombers.
     
    The Syd game is interesting, they look healthy and are playing that typical shut down game, and thus with their best chance in years to really pound the Eagles this is it. 
     
    And finally Freo I believe are a good side, and will play a large roll in the make up of the finals.  Quick question for Rich...who the hell is going to stop Pav...and lets be honest Rich are a shit side, and if it wasn't for Melb getting hammered in the first couple of rounds (and with their comeback win against the Blues in Rd 1) they would be equal favourites for the wooden spoon.
     
    Would love to hear the thoughts on the above or others games.  I will post the lines once they come out.  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2008 - 11:44 PM ET #2

    I'll probably be on the bulldogs as well, have to look more into. 
    Will add some more comments later.

    Hey quietly, tipped 8/8 winners last week :)
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    I'll probably be on the bulldogs as well, have to look more into. 
    Will add some more comments later.

    Hey quietly, tipped 8/8 winners last week :)
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 12:41 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by gmanea:

    I'll probably be on the bulldogs as well, have to look more into. 
    Will add some more comments later.

    Hey quietly, tipped 8/8 winners last week :)

    I tipped 7/8...and you can guess who stuffed that up for me..Saints!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmanea:

    I'll probably be on the bulldogs as well, have to look more into. 
    Will add some more comments later.

    Hey quietly, tipped 8/8 winners last week :)

    I tipped 7/8...and you can guess who stuffed that up for me..Saints!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 12:48 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Miracle1976:

    I tipped 7/8...and you can guess who stuffed that up for me..Saints!



    I tipped doggies by 1 point.  Only reason I tipped doggies was because I had them +16.5 with the line so I couldn't tip the saints and cheer against them could I ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miracle1976:

    I tipped 7/8...and you can guess who stuffed that up for me..Saints!



    I tipped doggies by 1 point.  Only reason I tipped doggies was because I had them +16.5 with the line so I couldn't tip the saints and cheer against them could I ?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 1:04 AM ET #5

    this round looks pretty straight forward .... but there is nearly always 1-2 underdogs winning every week ...... this week i like carlton + the points ....went to the game last year between these teams .....and there wasnt much between them ..... i think carlton will give collingwood a run for their money this week ......i took the carlton+ points/over last year and they able to do both ....plus when was the last time carlton gave less than 100 points away .....2 seasons ago ?
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    this round looks pretty straight forward .... but there is nearly always 1-2 underdogs winning every week ...... this week i like carlton + the points ....went to the game last year between these teams .....and there wasnt much between them ..... i think carlton will give collingwood a run for their money this week ......i took the carlton+ points/over last year and they able to do both ....plus when was the last time carlton gave less than 100 points away .....2 seasons ago ?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 1:33 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by TWILL:

    this round looks pretty straight forward .... but there is nearly always 1-2 underdogs winning every week ...... this week i like carlton + the points ....went to the game last year between these teams .....and there wasnt much between them ..... i think carlton will give collingwood a run for their money this week ......i took the carlton+ points/over last year and they able to do both ....plus when was the last time carlton gave less than 100 points away .....2 seasons ago ?


    Depends what the line will be.

    I don't think it will be 'straight forward' round.  Always need to tread carefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TWILL:

    this round looks pretty straight forward .... but there is nearly always 1-2 underdogs winning every week ...... this week i like carlton + the points ....went to the game last year between these teams .....and there wasnt much between them ..... i think carlton will give collingwood a run for their money this week ......i took the carlton+ points/over last year and they able to do both ....plus when was the last time carlton gave less than 100 points away .....2 seasons ago ?


    Depends what the line will be.

    I don't think it will be 'straight forward' round.  Always need to tread carefully.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 2:29 AM ET #7

    Carlton have lost 3 line bets in arow ..... is this the week they get one up?
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    Carlton have lost 3 line bets in arow ..... is this the week they get one up?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 2:41 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by TWILL:

    Carlton have lost 3 line bets in arow ..... is this the week they get one up?


    I certainly wont be backing them...
    They've lost what 15 games in a row?  I don't care if they have judd, they still make too many errors and collingwood is one of the best pressure teams and will force their mistakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TWILL:

    Carlton have lost 3 line bets in arow ..... is this the week they get one up?


    I certainly wont be backing them...
    They've lost what 15 games in a row?  I don't care if they have judd, they still make too many errors and collingwood is one of the best pressure teams and will force their mistakes.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 5:11 AM ET #9

    If the Blues lose this week they will record a new club history losing streak. That's enough motivation for them, they'll be up for it.
     
    Blues with the football points for me
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    If the Blues lose this week they will record a new club history losing streak. That's enough motivation for them, they'll be up for it.
     
    Blues with the football points for me
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 5:23 PM ET #10

    I think there will be a lot of value in the lines this round.  Melbourne kept it close against Geelong and that should give the Saints less points.

    West Coast is a bit garbage at the moment and if I can pick up the Swannies without paying too big of a head-start, they look pretty good as well.

    Nothing certain yet though...
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    I think there will be a lot of value in the lines this round.  Melbourne kept it close against Geelong and that should give the Saints less points.

    West Coast is a bit garbage at the moment and if I can pick up the Swannies without paying too big of a head-start, they look pretty good as well.

    Nothing certain yet though...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 5:27 PM ET #11

    Western Bulldogs might look a sharp bet as well.....nothing yet however...
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    Western Bulldogs might look a sharp bet as well.....nothing yet however...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 10:23 PM ET #12

    A couple of points to take note of from this season so far that will change how I'm betting from round 4 onwards... (even though I had a disappointing week last week, 2 wins, 3 losses).

    2007 was a year with many dogs getting up, with the rise the fall of a few teams. 2008 is looking a lot more steady and predictable. Last round (except for 2 final results) played out eerily similar to 2007 rivalry round.

    I was planning on playing small, from rounds 1-6, then increasing my bets from that point. Due to how the season has played out so far, I am increasing my bets to up to 7 units from this week. I am very confident were I see everybody sitting this year (prior to injuries/suspensions taking their toll).

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    A couple of points to take note of from this season so far that will change how I'm betting from round 4 onwards... (even though I had a disappointing week last week, 2 wins, 3 losses).

    2007 was a year with many dogs getting up, with the rise the fall of a few teams. 2008 is looking a lot more steady and predictable. Last round (except for 2 final results) played out eerily similar to 2007 rivalry round.

    I was planning on playing small, from rounds 1-6, then increasing my bets from that point. Due to how the season has played out so far, I am increasing my bets to up to 7 units from this week. I am very confident were I see everybody sitting this year (prior to injuries/suspensions taking their toll).

     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2008 - 10:42 PM ET #13

    To be able to get the bulldogs at -7 @ 1.91 or SU win @ 1.71 seems at first look one of the stand out bets.
     
    I'd probably take the Kangas (-24.5) to give the Dees another pummelling. True shinboners will play all 4 quarters hard.
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    To be able to get the bulldogs at -7 @ 1.91 or SU win @ 1.71 seems at first look one of the stand out bets.
     
    I'd probably take the Kangas (-24.5) to give the Dees another pummelling. True shinboners will play all 4 quarters hard.
     
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    The Bulldogs are only -7?   Very tempting, esp. since they play the Telstra Dome very, very well.

    Norths at the MCG should be good for 30+ more than Melbourne can handle.  If the line is only -24.5, then it is true what I said about the closeness of the Geelong game giving us a lower negative start.

    Nothing is for certain yet, but those are two strong leans...  I am glad you also agree tozer...

    Swans also at -24.5 against the Eagles....hmmmm....this one is definitely tougher to call and I think the books have been getting right stuffed on Sydney backers for the season.  This might be a play of over-giving points in order to stuff the Sydney backers for a round and get back to it.

    Any thoughts about this game?
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    The Bulldogs are only -7?   Very tempting, esp. since they play the Telstra Dome very, very well.

    Norths at the MCG should be good for 30+ more than Melbourne can handle.  If the line is only -24.5, then it is true what I said about the closeness of the Geelong game giving us a lower negative start.

    Nothing is for certain yet, but those are two strong leans...  I am glad you also agree tozer...

    Swans also at -24.5 against the Eagles....hmmmm....this one is definitely tougher to call and I think the books have been getting right stuffed on Sydney backers for the season.  This might be a play of over-giving points in order to stuff the Sydney backers for a round and get back to it.

    Any thoughts about this game?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2008 - 12:18 AM ET #15

    Just about Friday nights match.
     
    Essendon (apart from Geelong) really have been one of the few surprises this year. They have been faultless, given they have only played NAB cup, Carlton and the Kangas (they deserve a lot of credit for beating north).
     
    Its probably the 2 fastest teams in the comp. Apart from Hill the dons onballers really haven't played very well, Stanton is getting heavily tagged (and not coping), Watson apart from the first game has been poor.
     
    Whereas, with the dogs, Cooney has been lights out and West is out for this game. It should be a good contest but I love the dogs to come away with a win.
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    Just about Friday nights match.
     
    Essendon (apart from Geelong) really have been one of the few surprises this year. They have been faultless, given they have only played NAB cup, Carlton and the Kangas (they deserve a lot of credit for beating north).
     
    Its probably the 2 fastest teams in the comp. Apart from Hill the dons onballers really haven't played very well, Stanton is getting heavily tagged (and not coping), Watson apart from the first game has been poor.
     
    Whereas, with the dogs, Cooney has been lights out and West is out for this game. It should be a good contest but I love the dogs to come away with a win.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2008 - 12:29 AM ET #16

    I think -24.5 is way too much, should be a low scoring slog. Traditionally very close
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    I think -24.5 is way too much, should be a low scoring slog. Traditionally very close
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2008 - 1:44 AM ET #17

    -24.5 in not to much unless it rains.
     
    Read this https://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=57622
     
    Swans will go in for the kill
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    -24.5 in not to much unless it rains.
     
    Read this https://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=57622
     
    Swans will go in for the kill
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2008 - 10:01 AM ET #18

    Sorry everyone...said I'd drop back in with the lines when they were avaliable, and considering they can out earlier today it's fair to say I'm late!  Anyway, here are the lines from Sportingbet as at 11.30 pm on Wed night:

    Ess Vs WB -8.5

    StK Vs Geel -24.5

    Kang -22.5 Vs Melb

    Syd -24.5 Vs West Coast

    Port Adel -14.5 Vs Bris

    Haw -15.5 Vs Adel

    Carl Vs Coll -24.5

    Freo -35.5 Vs Rich

    I still think the Bulldogs line looks too good to be true...maybe a trap. Really like the Syd line with Priddis out this week and Cox struggling at the moment to come up, and also think Freo have a chance to get themselves back into finals talk with about a 10 goal win over Rich.

    Anymore thoughts, or stats for that matter, please don't hesitate to make them here. 

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    Sorry everyone...said I'd drop back in with the lines when they were avaliable, and considering they can out earlier today it's fair to say I'm late!  Anyway, here are the lines from Sportingbet as at 11.30 pm on Wed night:

    Ess Vs WB -8.5

    StK Vs Geel -24.5

    Kang -22.5 Vs Melb

    Syd -24.5 Vs West Coast

    Port Adel -14.5 Vs Bris

    Haw -15.5 Vs Adel

    Carl Vs Coll -24.5

    Freo -35.5 Vs Rich

    I still think the Bulldogs line looks too good to be true...maybe a trap. Really like the Syd line with Priddis out this week and Cox struggling at the moment to come up, and also think Freo have a chance to get themselves back into finals talk with about a 10 goal win over Rich.

    Anymore thoughts, or stats for that matter, please don't hesitate to make them here. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2008 - 6:40 PM ET #19

    Swans/WC is always an eerily close affair, however I just think this season the Eagles have lost their luster and the Swannies, much like their NRL counterpart, are much better than people gave them credit for at the beginning of the season.  I have been riding the Roosters/Swans bandwagon on the sleeping books......but now I fear they might have caught up, on the Swans at least.

    Still have to look into it.

    Bulldogs do look too good to be true.  Plus, they play very well at Telstra.  Bombers are over-rated, IMO, and the opening-round win over Norths will have distorted their betting lines.

    Geelong is worth looking into.  St. Kilda does not nearly have the work rate that the Cats do (who does?) and plays a style of football that gets hit hard and early by offensively-based teams.  Carlton was just not fit nor experienced enough to close the door.  Geelong might also get up big early and not look back.

    Roos look to be a great value bet, as mentioned before, since the Cats loss will have surely overinflated Melbourne's abilities.  Roos play well at the MCG as well.

    Hawks/Crows...will have to look into this one further.  Value could be on Adelaide here...

    No interest yet in the Carlton/Collingwood mash-up.

    The dockers should be able to take Richmond to bits, but since it is the late game of the round, I haven't much looked into it yet.
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    Swans/WC is always an eerily close affair, however I just think this season the Eagles have lost their luster and the Swannies, much like their NRL counterpart, are much better than people gave them credit for at the beginning of the season.  I have been riding the Roosters/Swans bandwagon on the sleeping books......but now I fear they might have caught up, on the Swans at least.

    Still have to look into it.

    Bulldogs do look too good to be true.  Plus, they play very well at Telstra.  Bombers are over-rated, IMO, and the opening-round win over Norths will have distorted their betting lines.

    Geelong is worth looking into.  St. Kilda does not nearly have the work rate that the Cats do (who does?) and plays a style of football that gets hit hard and early by offensively-based teams.  Carlton was just not fit nor experienced enough to close the door.  Geelong might also get up big early and not look back.

    Roos look to be a great value bet, as mentioned before, since the Cats loss will have surely overinflated Melbourne's abilities.  Roos play well at the MCG as well.

    Hawks/Crows...will have to look into this one further.  Value could be on Adelaide here...

    No interest yet in the Carlton/Collingwood mash-up.

    The dockers should be able to take Richmond to bits, but since it is the late game of the round, I haven't much looked into it yet.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2008 - 6:43 PM ET #20

    My view, not picks.
     
    Sportstab has WB v Dons game total over 221 at $1.80 they are expecting a big game.
     
    Cats will murder the Saints. Saints to slow.
     
    Roos will do likewise to the Dees.
     
    I like Brisvegas to upset Port especially after the tough last game port had and all the things that came out of it.
     
    Want to take the Hawks but not sure.
     
    With gman. Like Carlton to upset but could not tip against the Pies.
     
    Not sure about the Freo game. Don't think Tiges will win but might cover.
     
    It might be worth everyones while to have a look at how teams that have won in rivalry round have done the following week. In particular Cartlon, Pies, SA teams, WA teams............. basically the ones that kick, scratch and grope.
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    My view, not picks.
     
    Sportstab has WB v Dons game total over 221 at $1.80 they are expecting a big game.
     
    Cats will murder the Saints. Saints to slow.
     
    Roos will do likewise to the Dees.
     
    I like Brisvegas to upset Port especially after the tough last game port had and all the things that came out of it.
     
    Want to take the Hawks but not sure.
     
    With gman. Like Carlton to upset but could not tip against the Pies.
     
    Not sure about the Freo game. Don't think Tiges will win but might cover.
     
    It might be worth everyones while to have a look at how teams that have won in rivalry round have done the following week. In particular Cartlon, Pies, SA teams, WA teams............. basically the ones that kick, scratch and grope.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2008 - 6:52 PM ET #21

    A ML parlay on Roos/Cats/Swans/Dockers is paying 2.39 at my local.  Looks to be a very nice bet, though surely you can get better value...

    What do you guys think about it?
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    A ML parlay on Roos/Cats/Swans/Dockers is paying 2.39 at my local.  Looks to be a very nice bet, though surely you can get better value...

    What do you guys think about it?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2008 - 6:54 PM ET #22

    ecoute, what do you think about the Swans/WC match?
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    ecoute, what do you think about the Swans/WC match?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2008 - 10:41 PM ET #23

    Headoverheart. I think the Swans will murder them but I want to see who is in the team for both WC and if the Swans have made any changes.
     
    If Priddis and Cox are out, Fletcher has a niggle then they are done for. They are missing others and I think Kirk will do a job on Kerr and Bolton will keep Lynch (if playing) quiet. LeCras will also still be out. Glass has a niggle apparently so they might move him onto O'Loughlin which suits the Swans. Also we saw last week the Swans straightening up their play alot. Don't have the stats for inside 50's but that should be up also............ Anyway all signs point to a Swans win.
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    Headoverheart. I think the Swans will murder them but I want to see who is in the team for both WC and if the Swans have made any changes.
     
    If Priddis and Cox are out, Fletcher has a niggle then they are done for. They are missing others and I think Kirk will do a job on Kerr and Bolton will keep Lynch (if playing) quiet. LeCras will also still be out. Glass has a niggle apparently so they might move him onto O'Loughlin which suits the Swans. Also we saw last week the Swans straightening up their play alot. Don't have the stats for inside 50's but that should be up also............ Anyway all signs point to a Swans win.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2008 - 1:18 AM ET #24

    Port/Brisbane
    Brisbane may have Ash McGrath back which will give them their best possible forward line. Port's defence has been its weakness this season and the lions could get a couple of matchups heavily in their favour.
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    Port/Brisbane
    Brisbane may have Ash McGrath back which will give them their best possible forward line. Port's defence has been its weakness this season and the lions could get a couple of matchups heavily in their favour.
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2008 - 3:11 AM ET #25

    Matthew Lloyd is out, get on the dogs!!!
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    Matthew Lloyd is out, get on the dogs!!!
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