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    Why I like the Jets +9

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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 5:45 PM ET #51

    with a line like 9 there trying to get people to bet the jets....vegas doesnt like giving alot pts unless it knows something....most people like taking alot points because they can win 2 ways..upset win or cover with pts...play is texans
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    with a line like 9 there trying to get people to bet the jets....vegas doesnt like giving alot pts unless it knows something....most people like taking alot points because they can win 2 ways..upset win or cover with pts...play is texans
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 6:27 PM ET #52

    After reading all of your posts, the arguments are:
    1. Is the line a trap?
    2. What is the "right" bet(s)?

    Here is my 2 cents:
    1. I don't think it is a trap. True that book has paid on Sunday but we don't know when they will collect. Vegas has made a living mainly on the juice (5% or 10% vig). At NYJ 9, public money is 60% on HOU, which is fine with Vegas. It also leaves some room for the local bookies to adjust +/- 0.5 or even 1 point depending on the region. Both 9 and 10 are important marks. The maximum money that Vegas (or house) would lose is merely 10% (60/40 public money minus 5 or 10 juice). Vegas will survive regardless.
    2. Let assume both teams play with all their might + top of their abilities (i.e. no fishy business from ref or book). HOU is clearly the winner (better players, better everything). NYJ only have home field and higher emotion. Why don't we bet on HOU for the whole game and UNDER for the 1st half? The line suggest a HOU shut-out anyways and we don't see how Tebow/Sanchez can put up a lot of points. If you are NYJ coach, what would you do for a game plan? I would either run the ball or hail-mary all night long. When HOU has the ball, I would send everybody in blitzing. I let my players leave everything they have on the field, win or lose, it is their peace. If such a desperate game plan is applied, HOU will be either surprised or taken aback a little. HOU doesn't want to get injured and ruined their post season run. HOU still wants to win and probably will win tonight, but not in the SF manner. Once they are up by double digits, they will run down the clock and go home. NYJ backers will see if NYJ can score the final TD to cover the spread.
    You watch NFL for many years, have you seen that before?
    You make the call. It's your hard-earned money after all.
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    After reading all of your posts, the arguments are:
    1. Is the line a trap?
    2. What is the "right" bet(s)?

    Here is my 2 cents:
    1. I don't think it is a trap. True that book has paid on Sunday but we don't know when they will collect. Vegas has made a living mainly on the juice (5% or 10% vig). At NYJ 9, public money is 60% on HOU, which is fine with Vegas. It also leaves some room for the local bookies to adjust +/- 0.5 or even 1 point depending on the region. Both 9 and 10 are important marks. The maximum money that Vegas (or house) would lose is merely 10% (60/40 public money minus 5 or 10 juice). Vegas will survive regardless.
    2. Let assume both teams play with all their might + top of their abilities (i.e. no fishy business from ref or book). HOU is clearly the winner (better players, better everything). NYJ only have home field and higher emotion. Why don't we bet on HOU for the whole game and UNDER for the 1st half? The line suggest a HOU shut-out anyways and we don't see how Tebow/Sanchez can put up a lot of points. If you are NYJ coach, what would you do for a game plan? I would either run the ball or hail-mary all night long. When HOU has the ball, I would send everybody in blitzing. I let my players leave everything they have on the field, win or lose, it is their peace. If such a desperate game plan is applied, HOU will be either surprised or taken aback a little. HOU doesn't want to get injured and ruined their post season run. HOU still wants to win and probably will win tonight, but not in the SF manner. Once they are up by double digits, they will run down the clock and go home. NYJ backers will see if NYJ can score the final TD to cover the spread.
    You watch NFL for many years, have you seen that before?
    You make the call. It's your hard-earned money after all.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 6:29 PM ET #53

    the public loses..everyone loses...there was a study done last year they followed 200 bettors over a 8 year period,everyone lost...the lowest amount lost was 4,900 and the highest was 120 thousand
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    the public loses..everyone loses...there was a study done last year they followed 200 bettors over a 8 year period,everyone lost...the lowest amount lost was 4,900 and the highest was 120 thousand
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 6:33 PM ET #54

    mike. no.
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    mike. no.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 6:36 PM ET #55

    teams can get blown out in back to back weeks in the nfl

    ie. see buffalo, jags, titans, chiefs

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    teams can get blown out in back to back weeks in the nfl

    ie. see buffalo, jags, titans, chiefs

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 7:00 PM ET #56

    I see all games jets this year ,I dont know how play well today.
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    I see all games jets this year ,I dont know how play well today.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 8:09 PM ET #57

    Pasteur............are you going to be a dumbass your whole life. Vegas has no fucking clue who is going to cover this spread. They are not enticing action on Houston as you suggest. If Houston blows out the Jets tonight they would stand to lose a lot of dough. They want equal action on both sides...why is it so hard for you to understand this. Vegas does not like to be too exposed on either side of a game because they do NOT know who is going to cover ATS.,

    For the las time.......as I have said before "VEGAS IS NOT INTO GAMBLING" they are running a fucking business. You do not run a buisness by gambling...............

    I am convinced you are not a successfull gambler, Meaning you consistently lose money month after month. Right? am I right?.......you know I'm right !!

    I am 99% sure you don't bet real money..... so, in your case, it doesn't matter much anyways 

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    Pasteur............are you going to be a dumbass your whole life. Vegas has no fucking clue who is going to cover this spread. They are not enticing action on Houston as you suggest. If Houston blows out the Jets tonight they would stand to lose a lot of dough. They want equal action on both sides...why is it so hard for you to understand this. Vegas does not like to be too exposed on either side of a game because they do NOT know who is going to cover ATS.,

    For the las time.......as I have said before "VEGAS IS NOT INTO GAMBLING" they are running a fucking business. You do not run a buisness by gambling...............

    I am convinced you are not a successfull gambler, Meaning you consistently lose money month after month. Right? am I right?.......you know I'm right !!

    I am 99% sure you don't bet real money..... so, in your case, it doesn't matter much anyways 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 8:25 PM ET #58

    Where is everyone getting these percentages of public on Houston?  Do you actually think that the bookies would let us know how much money is on which side?  Absurd.  Its one thing to see a percentage of PICKS for a team but that has nothing to do with money.  You could have 90 recreational gamblers each betting $100 on Houston = $9,000 but only 10 serious bettors on Jets at $2,000 each and now you have $20,000 on Jets.  So now 68% of the money is on Jets but 90% of the picks are on Houston.  No website is going to tell you where the money is, only the picks.  And Vegas only adjusts the line based on the money, they could care less about the pick percentage, and neither should you.
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    Where is everyone getting these percentages of public on Houston?  Do you actually think that the bookies would let us know how much money is on which side?  Absurd.  Its one thing to see a percentage of PICKS for a team but that has nothing to do with money.  You could have 90 recreational gamblers each betting $100 on Houston = $9,000 but only 10 serious bettors on Jets at $2,000 each and now you have $20,000 on Jets.  So now 68% of the money is on Jets but 90% of the picks are on Houston.  No website is going to tell you where the money is, only the picks.  And Vegas only adjusts the line based on the money, they could care less about the pick percentage, and neither should you.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 8:30 PM ET #59

    Houston -10 now....vegas trying really hard to force money on Houston eh Pasteur?.........
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    Houston -10 now....vegas trying really hard to force money on Houston eh Pasteur?.........
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 8:31 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by RusRus:

    A lil tid bit. I'm a club promoter. Jets were out tonight partying. They don't have a chance in the world. They don't care. Believe me. 

    Jets are 21-7-2 ats when they roll into the locker room from the club (on a monday night... )
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    Quote Originally Posted by RusRus:

    A lil tid bit. I'm a club promoter. Jets were out tonight partying. They don't have a chance in the world. They don't care. Believe me. 

    Jets are 21-7-2 ats when they roll into the locker room from the club (on a monday night... )
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 8:34 PM ET #61

    Tebow Time - and Houston's gonna play like shit
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    Tebow Time - and Houston's gonna play like shit
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 8:38 PM ET #62

    here ere some words of advice for people you try to read too much into lines such as pasteur does.

    In the long run you'll get crushed trying to figure it out,.....all it will do is fuck with your mind.

    forget the whole "vegas is trying to entice money on one team or the other theory"......you'll lose your entire bankroll using this fucked up approach

     

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    here ere some words of advice for people you try to read too much into lines such as pasteur does.

    In the long run you'll get crushed trying to figure it out,.....all it will do is fuck with your mind.

    forget the whole "vegas is trying to entice money on one team or the other theory"......you'll lose your entire bankroll using this fucked up approach

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 8:40 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    Houston -10 now....vegas trying really hard to force money on Houston eh Pasteur?.........

    my thoughts exactly....they are trying to get money off of Houston because thats where the money is and they dont want to be screwed in case Houston covers, because , "THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHO WILL COVER THIS GAME!!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    Houston -10 now....vegas trying really hard to force money on Houston eh Pasteur?.........

    my thoughts exactly....they are trying to get money off of Houston because thats where the money is and they dont want to be screwed in case Houston covers, because , "THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHO WILL COVER THIS GAME!!!!"
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 8:52 PM ET #64

    how does it feel to be a jets fan right now

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    how does it feel to be a jets fan right now

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    here ere some words of advice for people you try to read too much into lines such as pasteur does.

    In the long run you'll get crushed trying to figure it out,.....all it will do is fuck with your mind.

    forget the whole "vegas is trying to entice money on one team or the other theory"......you'll lose your entire bankroll using this fucked up approach

     



    Vegas made bank tonight, and so did I.  How'd you do Alien?  Thanks for stopping by 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    here ere some words of advice for people you try to read too much into lines such as pasteur does.

    In the long run you'll get crushed trying to figure it out,.....all it will do is fuck with your mind.

    forget the whole "vegas is trying to entice money on one team or the other theory"......you'll lose your entire bankroll using this fucked up approach

     



    Vegas made bank tonight, and so did I.  How'd you do Alien?  Thanks for stopping by 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 11:50 PM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    Houston -10 now....vegas trying really hard to force money on Houston eh Pasteur?.........


    Houston only hit -10 right before kickoff.  If they didn't want action on Houston they could've opened the spread at double digits, which you'd know if you bothered reading my posts. 

    I've told you I win more than I lose reading lines, so why would I ever listen to you and stop doing it?   
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    Houston -10 now....vegas trying really hard to force money on Houston eh Pasteur?.........


    Houston only hit -10 right before kickoff.  If they didn't want action on Houston they could've opened the spread at double digits, which you'd know if you bothered reading my posts. 

    I've told you I win more than I lose reading lines, so why would I ever listen to you and stop doing it?   
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 11:50 PM ET #68

    It's called "HOUSE MONEY" you must always think about were the "HOUSE MONEY" is when making bets - like last year in the playoffs I bet SAN FRANCISO +3 against the SAINTS - because the public was on the SAINTS -3.5 - therfore the 49ERS +3 was "HOUSE MONEY" - the SAINTS last NIGHT were "HOUSE MONEY" - VEGAS had the JETS +9 - not trying to be rude to the none professionals out there that said I have my head in my ass and what not - but I know more shit then you about sports betting - how do you think I called the Superbowl matchup from the start of the playoffs last year 
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    It's called "HOUSE MONEY" you must always think about were the "HOUSE MONEY" is when making bets - like last year in the playoffs I bet SAN FRANCISO +3 against the SAINTS - because the public was on the SAINTS -3.5 - therfore the 49ERS +3 was "HOUSE MONEY" - the SAINTS last NIGHT were "HOUSE MONEY" - VEGAS had the JETS +9 - not trying to be rude to the none professionals out there that said I have my head in my ass and what not - but I know more shit then you about sports betting - how do you think I called the Superbowl matchup from the start of the playoffs last year 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 11:52 PM ET #69

    Pasteur I was with you the Whole way buddy - I do the same thing - you have to know were the "HOUSE MONEY" lies if you want to win
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    Pasteur I was with you the Whole way buddy - I do the same thing - you have to know were the "HOUSE MONEY" lies if you want to win
     
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    Nice job bro
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    Nice job bro
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 11:53 PM ET #71

    Quote Originally Posted by Pasteur:



    Vegas made bank tonight, and so did I.  How'd you do Alien?  Thanks for stopping by 

    This game was a no play for me pasteur.....I would of posted my position earlier if i had one.

    hey listen up you clown, if that houston defender decided to run it back for a pick six instead of just going down , you would of been fucked.

    don't act like you had the line figured out.........you didn't, nobody did ......this game could of gone either way ATS.

    That has been my whole point with you.....VEGAS DOES NOT KNOW who is going to cover........why are you such and idiot???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasteur:



    Vegas made bank tonight, and so did I.  How'd you do Alien?  Thanks for stopping by 

    This game was a no play for me pasteur.....I would of posted my position earlier if i had one.

    hey listen up you clown, if that houston defender decided to run it back for a pick six instead of just going down , you would of been fucked.

    don't act like you had the line figured out.........you didn't, nobody did ......this game could of gone either way ATS.

    That has been my whole point with you.....VEGAS DOES NOT KNOW who is going to cover........why are you such and idiot???

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 11:55 PM ET #72

    that's hilarious that ALIEN GUY - says "VEGAS ISN"T INTO GAMBLING" - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! VEGAS IS ALL ABOUT GAMBLING - THEY HAVE THE "HOUSE MONEY" - FOOL!
    I finished 16th ATS OVERALL LAST YEAR - BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT "HOUSE MONEY" is 
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    that's hilarious that ALIEN GUY - says "VEGAS ISN"T INTO GAMBLING" - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! VEGAS IS ALL ABOUT GAMBLING - THEY HAVE THE "HOUSE MONEY" - FOOL!
    I finished 16th ATS OVERALL LAST YEAR - BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT "HOUSE MONEY" is 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 11:55 PM ET #73

    Quote Originally Posted by Djd6180:

    Nice job bro

    nice job bro

    hahahah.....you gotta be kidding

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djd6180:

    Nice job bro

    nice job bro

    hahahah.....you gotta be kidding

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2012 - 11:58 PM ET #74

    Vegas Knows - obviously - they win more then anyone - that's why we bet with them
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    Vegas Knows - obviously - they win more then anyone - that's why we bet with them
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2012 - 12:00 AM ET #75

    Not sure why you hate so much Alien.  I have a method that works for me.  Do I win 100%?  Nobody does.  But I win more than I lose, and if vegas had "no idea" who's going to win then why do I consistently make money reading the lines and hitting 2 out of 3?  Wouldn't I be batting 50% if it was truly a coin flip?

    I appreciate hearing the other side of the argument.  Have a good one
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    Not sure why you hate so much Alien.  I have a method that works for me.  Do I win 100%?  Nobody does.  But I win more than I lose, and if vegas had "no idea" who's going to win then why do I consistently make money reading the lines and hitting 2 out of 3?  Wouldn't I be batting 50% if it was truly a coin flip?

    I appreciate hearing the other side of the argument.  Have a good one
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