You lost all credibility when you put Jim McMahon on this list. Phil Simms was better. On that 85 Bears team, you could have put ANY mediocre qb in that spot and they would have won. This seems to be just a list of past players with most reasons being "The 1st".
Joe Namath is one of the most over rated qbs of all time. Why was he popular? Character and his guarantee. A career losing record, pretty much, Trent Dilfer with out the glamour and flash.
When you discussing be qb's of all time, what they did on special teams or defense is irrelavent to the topic. You seem to like to post just to start shit. State you case and expect people to disagree. You had to know your list wasn't going to be what others feel is the best or correct. You have some reaches, so to say "It was pretty easy" was just asking for arguments.
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You lost all credibility when you put Jim McMahon on this list. Phil Simms was better. On that 85 Bears team, you could have put ANY mediocre qb in that spot and they would have won. This seems to be just a list of past players with most reasons being "The 1st".
Joe Namath is one of the most over rated qbs of all time. Why was he popular? Character and his guarantee. A career losing record, pretty much, Trent Dilfer with out the glamour and flash.
When you discussing be qb's of all time, what they did on special teams or defense is irrelavent to the topic. You seem to like to post just to start shit. State you case and expect people to disagree. You had to know your list wasn't going to be what others feel is the best or correct. You have some reaches, so to say "It was pretty easy" was just asking for arguments.
i think you have to define what you mean by 'greatest QB'? Does all that matter in the end is to 'just win', or do you want the guy that can go into the combine and do the quarterback stuff the best. I'd like to know what you feel of Donovan McNabb, because he's a perfect example of my question. One of the best win perctentages ever, but has less QB ability than Mike Vick
Your kidding, right? Mike Vick is a good runner and lacks the tools to be a good qb, you know, like passing. Had to seem funny that Roddy White, with 3 bums at qb had 1200 yds receiving, yet couldn't even come close to sniffing that with Vick. How many years does it take to show if you can pass or not?
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Quote Originally Posted by be easy:
i think you have to define what you mean by 'greatest QB'? Does all that matter in the end is to 'just win', or do you want the guy that can go into the combine and do the quarterback stuff the best. I'd like to know what you feel of Donovan McNabb, because he's a perfect example of my question. One of the best win perctentages ever, but has less QB ability than Mike Vick
Your kidding, right? Mike Vick is a good runner and lacks the tools to be a good qb, you know, like passing. Had to seem funny that Roddy White, with 3 bums at qb had 1200 yds receiving, yet couldn't even come close to sniffing that with Vick. How many years does it take to show if you can pass or not?
You lost all credibility when you put Jim McMahon on this list. Phil Simms was better. On that 85 Bears team, you could have put ANY mediocre qb in that spot and they would have won. This seems to be just a list of past players with most reasons being "The 1st".
Joe Namath is one of the most over rated qbs of all time. Why was he popular? Character and his guarantee. A career losing record, pretty much, Trent Dilfer with out the glamour and flash.
When you discussing be qb's of all time, what they did on special teams or defense is irrelavent to the topic. You seem to like to post just to start shit. State you case and expect people to disagree. You had to know your list wasn't going to be what others feel is the best or correct. You have some reaches, so to say "It was pretty easy" was just asking for arguments.
Sir, joe namath threw for over 4000 yards in a season where you pretty much could tackle the wideouts i mean you put what he did into today's game and that's a 7000 yard season today and that was on 2 bad knees...........Do you understand that back then most of the better QB'S played only 10 seasons that's because they were killed back then i mean literally beat up..........
Now revengeissweet will tell you that the QB'S of today have it roughier yeah they got it rough you just put one finger on tom brady and it's a 15 yard roughing the passer......Also favre and his 270+ plus game streak while it is a great streak no way in hell does he do that back in the day you want a namath guarantee there it is!!!!!!!
Also look at the wideouts back in the day i mean one year paul warfield led the dolphins with 29 receptions in a 14 game season that's just 2 catches a game and do you know where he is that's right in the hall-of-fame because they no how hard and rough a game it was back then...........Hell a wideout today has 29 catches after 2 games because you can't put your hands on them you can't put your hands on the QB without the flag coming in i mean the game today is pretty much for this generation of video freaks you no sega, nintendo and for those overweight beer drinking couch potatoes and there fantasy football team..............I read and article years ago where dick butkus said that there is no way he could play today with the rules the nfl has in place now he said football was all corporate now and not real football just a slight variation of the real game he said that he would love too see them go back to the way football should be played!!!!!!!!! Now that's coming from a legend!!
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Quote Originally Posted by wickedj:
You lost all credibility when you put Jim McMahon on this list. Phil Simms was better. On that 85 Bears team, you could have put ANY mediocre qb in that spot and they would have won. This seems to be just a list of past players with most reasons being "The 1st".
Joe Namath is one of the most over rated qbs of all time. Why was he popular? Character and his guarantee. A career losing record, pretty much, Trent Dilfer with out the glamour and flash.
When you discussing be qb's of all time, what they did on special teams or defense is irrelavent to the topic. You seem to like to post just to start shit. State you case and expect people to disagree. You had to know your list wasn't going to be what others feel is the best or correct. You have some reaches, so to say "It was pretty easy" was just asking for arguments.
Sir, joe namath threw for over 4000 yards in a season where you pretty much could tackle the wideouts i mean you put what he did into today's game and that's a 7000 yard season today and that was on 2 bad knees...........Do you understand that back then most of the better QB'S played only 10 seasons that's because they were killed back then i mean literally beat up..........
Now revengeissweet will tell you that the QB'S of today have it roughier yeah they got it rough you just put one finger on tom brady and it's a 15 yard roughing the passer......Also favre and his 270+ plus game streak while it is a great streak no way in hell does he do that back in the day you want a namath guarantee there it is!!!!!!!
Also look at the wideouts back in the day i mean one year paul warfield led the dolphins with 29 receptions in a 14 game season that's just 2 catches a game and do you know where he is that's right in the hall-of-fame because they no how hard and rough a game it was back then...........Hell a wideout today has 29 catches after 2 games because you can't put your hands on them you can't put your hands on the QB without the flag coming in i mean the game today is pretty much for this generation of video freaks you no sega, nintendo and for those overweight beer drinking couch potatoes and there fantasy football team..............I read and article years ago where dick butkus said that there is no way he could play today with the rules the nfl has in place now he said football was all corporate now and not real football just a slight variation of the real game he said that he would love too see them go back to the way football should be played!!!!!!!!! Now that's coming from a legend!!
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, Lets see yeah who is right all these suckass patriots homers on this board including you??????? Are me and the football legend dick butkus i think this is another very easy answer!!!! Thanks and try again...
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm, Lets see yeah who is right all these suckass patriots homers on this board including you??????? Are me and the football legend dick butkus i think this is another very easy answer!!!! Thanks and try again...
Tom Brady has the ball on his own 20...he throws it deep and there's a pass interference call on the other team's 40 yard line. He does not get credited with those yards and the drive continues. There's 40 yards he will have to wait for on another drive, therefore having to take longer to accumulate stats. Next play the QB throws it incomplete and gets hit late for a personal foul, 15 yards. Up to the 25, still 0 yards passing on the drive.
Joe Namath is at his own 20, throws a bomb and his wideout gets tackled early, no reception. Ball still at his own 20 yard line with 80 yards still available. Still the opportunity to add additional yards to his stats a lot quicker
In conclusion, today's quarterback, BECAUSE of the new rules, has a harder time accumulating total yards passing than they did in the old days. Therefore, by saying that 4000 yards back then was harder than it is today, is pure blasphemy.
i am NOT using this comparison for TD passes, that I'll give you easily.
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Think about this:
Tom Brady has the ball on his own 20...he throws it deep and there's a pass interference call on the other team's 40 yard line. He does not get credited with those yards and the drive continues. There's 40 yards he will have to wait for on another drive, therefore having to take longer to accumulate stats. Next play the QB throws it incomplete and gets hit late for a personal foul, 15 yards. Up to the 25, still 0 yards passing on the drive.
Joe Namath is at his own 20, throws a bomb and his wideout gets tackled early, no reception. Ball still at his own 20 yard line with 80 yards still available. Still the opportunity to add additional yards to his stats a lot quicker
In conclusion, today's quarterback, BECAUSE of the new rules, has a harder time accumulating total yards passing than they did in the old days. Therefore, by saying that 4000 yards back then was harder than it is today, is pure blasphemy.
i am NOT using this comparison for TD passes, that I'll give you easily.
Tom Brady has the ball on his own 20...he throws it deep and there's a pass interference call on the other team's 40 yard line. He does not get credited with those yards and the drive continues. There's 40 yards he will have to wait for on another drive, therefore having to take longer to accumulate stats. Next play the QB throws it incomplete and gets hit late for a personal foul, 15 yards. Up to the 25, still 0 yards passing on the drive.
Joe Namath is at his own 20, throws a bomb and his wideout gets tackled early, no reception. Ball still at his own 20 yard line with 80 yards still available. Still the opportunity to add additional yards to his stats a lot quicker
In conclusion, today's quarterback, BECAUSE of the new rules, has a harder time accumulating total yards passing than they did in the old days. Therefore, by saying that 4000 yards back then was harder than it is today, is pure blasphemy.
i am NOT using this comparison for TD passes, that I'll give you easily.
You are a silly,silly man.........Lets just stop and think about what you just said!!!!!
1) When namath threw for 4000 yards he also had 32 int's how many did brady have again 4 so that means he gets more chances to pad his stats because unlike today they just don't let you run across the middle of the field wide open as they do today too throw for 4000 yards back then you had to take chances risks be a great accurate QB not like today brady can just throw the ball down field at will because all the rules favor him..........
2) Also the casual fan of today who does'nt no anything about the history of the game which i'm guessing is you does'nt care about yards just touchdowns and under your scenario above brady is now on the 25 here comes the easy td pass to pad those stats while namath is still getting murdered back on his 20 just trying to complete a damn pass.........
3) Probably the most important read a damn book just don't get your fatass out of bed and turn on television and think that what you are seeing must be the greatest thing that you have ever seen......TV is a bad tool read books that's when you can really understand how those guys did what they did in a much roughier game!!!!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by revengeissweet1:
Think about this:
Tom Brady has the ball on his own 20...he throws it deep and there's a pass interference call on the other team's 40 yard line. He does not get credited with those yards and the drive continues. There's 40 yards he will have to wait for on another drive, therefore having to take longer to accumulate stats. Next play the QB throws it incomplete and gets hit late for a personal foul, 15 yards. Up to the 25, still 0 yards passing on the drive.
Joe Namath is at his own 20, throws a bomb and his wideout gets tackled early, no reception. Ball still at his own 20 yard line with 80 yards still available. Still the opportunity to add additional yards to his stats a lot quicker
In conclusion, today's quarterback, BECAUSE of the new rules, has a harder time accumulating total yards passing than they did in the old days. Therefore, by saying that 4000 yards back then was harder than it is today, is pure blasphemy.
i am NOT using this comparison for TD passes, that I'll give you easily.
You are a silly,silly man.........Lets just stop and think about what you just said!!!!!
1) When namath threw for 4000 yards he also had 32 int's how many did brady have again 4 so that means he gets more chances to pad his stats because unlike today they just don't let you run across the middle of the field wide open as they do today too throw for 4000 yards back then you had to take chances risks be a great accurate QB not like today brady can just throw the ball down field at will because all the rules favor him..........
2) Also the casual fan of today who does'nt no anything about the history of the game which i'm guessing is you does'nt care about yards just touchdowns and under your scenario above brady is now on the 25 here comes the easy td pass to pad those stats while namath is still getting murdered back on his 20 just trying to complete a damn pass.........
3) Probably the most important read a damn book just don't get your fatass out of bed and turn on television and think that what you are seeing must be the greatest thing that you have ever seen......TV is a bad tool read books that's when you can really understand how those guys did what they did in a much roughier game!!!!!!
See what i mean when he knows his point or statement is wrong then he wants too come back and call me or anyone else names i guess because he thinks it makes him look cool or something......But all it really does is make you look bad!!!!
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See what i mean when he knows his point or statement is wrong then he wants too come back and call me or anyone else names i guess because he thinks it makes him look cool or something......But all it really does is make you look bad!!!!
You are a silly,silly man.........Lets just stop and think about what you just said!!!!!
1) When namath threw for 4000 yards he also had 32 int's how many did brady have again 4 so that means he gets more chances to pad his stats because unlike today they just don't let you run across the middle of the field wide open as they do today too throw for 4000 yards back then you had to take chances risks be a great accurate QB not like today brady can just throw the ball down field at will because all the rules favor him..........
2) Also the casual fan of today who does'nt no anything about the history of the game which i'm guessing is you does'nt care about yards just touchdowns and under your scenario above brady is now on the 25 here comes the easy td pass to pad those stats while namath is still getting murdered back on his 20 just trying to complete a damn pass.........
3) Probably the most important read a damn book just don't get your fatass out of bed and turn on television and think that what you are seeing must be the greatest thing that you have ever seen......TV is a bad tool read books that's when you can really understand how those guys did what they did in a much roughier game!!!!!!
34.....have you heard of hooked on phonics?? I highly recommend it as I know you surely can't read. "roughier"..... run on sentences........"does'nt no anything".... Dude, you are an absolute laughingstock.
How can you even try to make a point if you can't spell, conjugate, or use proper apostrophes?
Keep them coming though, we still have a week of no football Thanks again for the laughs.........
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Quote Originally Posted by 34paytonplace:
You are a silly,silly man.........Lets just stop and think about what you just said!!!!!
1) When namath threw for 4000 yards he also had 32 int's how many did brady have again 4 so that means he gets more chances to pad his stats because unlike today they just don't let you run across the middle of the field wide open as they do today too throw for 4000 yards back then you had to take chances risks be a great accurate QB not like today brady can just throw the ball down field at will because all the rules favor him..........
2) Also the casual fan of today who does'nt no anything about the history of the game which i'm guessing is you does'nt care about yards just touchdowns and under your scenario above brady is now on the 25 here comes the easy td pass to pad those stats while namath is still getting murdered back on his 20 just trying to complete a damn pass.........
3) Probably the most important read a damn book just don't get your fatass out of bed and turn on television and think that what you are seeing must be the greatest thing that you have ever seen......TV is a bad tool read books that's when you can really understand how those guys did what they did in a much roughier game!!!!!!
34.....have you heard of hooked on phonics?? I highly recommend it as I know you surely can't read. "roughier"..... run on sentences........"does'nt no anything".... Dude, you are an absolute laughingstock.
How can you even try to make a point if you can't spell, conjugate, or use proper apostrophes?
Keep them coming though, we still have a week of no football Thanks again for the laughs.........
Listen your a sad little man if your on these forums just too see if someone can spell correctly i could give 2 cents as too my spelling does not bother me in the least but im guessing that you have nothing better to do than read people's threads and correct there spelling well goodluck to you sir!!!!!!
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reddevils,
Listen your a sad little man if your on these forums just too see if someone can spell correctly i could give 2 cents as too my spelling does not bother me in the least but im guessing that you have nothing better to do than read people's threads and correct there spelling well goodluck to you sir!!!!!!
Listen i have joe montana in my top 10 at #5 but saying he is #1 is spitting in the face of all the great QB legends that came before him..........Johnny unitas is the godfather of the QB position....End of story!!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by revengeissweet1:
I'd agree to that
Listen i have joe montana in my top 10 at #5 but saying he is #1 is spitting in the face of all the great QB legends that came before him..........Johnny unitas is the godfather of the QB position....End of story!!!!
Please no patriots fans most of them are complete idiots if you don't like the list then don't respond!!!!!!
I will respond to your last post with this intelligent quip. You call Pats fans (which I'm not one) idiots because they point out the obvious. The guy agreed with you with one exception. And you talk smack instead of providing any retort or any further discussion or observation.
You are a fucking homer...end of story. You open the can of worms, yet you're (notice the apostrophe) not smart enough to accept any views other than your pathetic ones.
So, Fuck Off, and get hooked on phonics!!
And I'm not sad....I get to read your sorry drivel which always brightens my day.
Sorry for calling a spade a spade
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Quote Originally Posted by 34paytonplace:
Please no patriots fans most of them are complete idiots if you don't like the list then don't respond!!!!!!
I will respond to your last post with this intelligent quip. You call Pats fans (which I'm not one) idiots because they point out the obvious. The guy agreed with you with one exception. And you talk smack instead of providing any retort or any further discussion or observation.
You are a fucking homer...end of story. You open the can of worms, yet you're (notice the apostrophe) not smart enough to accept any views other than your pathetic ones.
So, Fuck Off, and get hooked on phonics!!
And I'm not sad....I get to read your sorry drivel which always brightens my day.
You must be a moron or a hater not to include Tom Brady in this list. C'mon now, Favre and Marino over Brady? Brady is on the verge of his 4th ring while that chump Marino wishes he could be Brady for just one football season and that idiot Favre is slinging rockets into triple coverage. This list is garbage and I hope you didn't think too hard to come up with shitty ass list.
And I agree, just because a QB played a few other positions doesnt mean it makes him a better QB, it just makes him multi-talented. Thats saying Deion Sanders is a great baseball player because he played DB. What a moronic statement!
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You must be a moron or a hater not to include Tom Brady in this list. C'mon now, Favre and Marino over Brady? Brady is on the verge of his 4th ring while that chump Marino wishes he could be Brady for just one football season and that idiot Favre is slinging rockets into triple coverage. This list is garbage and I hope you didn't think too hard to come up with shitty ass list.
And I agree, just because a QB played a few other positions doesnt mean it makes him a better QB, it just makes him multi-talented. Thats saying Deion Sanders is a great baseball player because he played DB. What a moronic statement!
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