Quote Originally Posted by KTriple: Quote Originally Posted by capperator: the seattle defense might be the best one the pats will face all year Drake demolishes ZONE COVERAGEthe pats have 16 wins. drake probably demolished a lot of things during the season. just take a look at their soft schedule.
Whos Seattle played Arizona twice. Atlanta. Carolina Phillip Rivers, Mariota, Brosner ( Minn) Tenn, Sainst, old man rodgers..lol
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Quote Originally Posted by capperator:
Quote Originally Posted by KTriple: Quote Originally Posted by capperator: the seattle defense might be the best one the pats will face all year Drake demolishes ZONE COVERAGEthe pats have 16 wins. drake probably demolished a lot of things during the season. just take a look at their soft schedule.
Whos Seattle played Arizona twice. Atlanta. Carolina Phillip Rivers, Mariota, Brosner ( Minn) Tenn, Sainst, old man rodgers..lol
Quote Originally Posted by capperator: Quote Originally Posted by KTriple: Quote Originally Posted by capperator: the seattle defense might be the best one the pats will face all year Drake demolishes ZONE COVERAGEthe pats have 16 wins. drake probably demolished a lot of things during the season. just take a look at their soft schedule. Whos Seattle played Arizona twice. Atlanta. Carolina Phillip Rivers, Mariota, Brosner ( Minn) Tenn, Sainst, old man rodgers..lol
Seattle played a tougher schedule if you break it down. But not exactly the toughest as you just noted. Nearly half of their schedule was played against playoff teams which is a lot more than what the Patriots played against.
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Quote Originally Posted by Wizerguy:
Quote Originally Posted by capperator: Quote Originally Posted by KTriple: Quote Originally Posted by capperator: the seattle defense might be the best one the pats will face all year Drake demolishes ZONE COVERAGEthe pats have 16 wins. drake probably demolished a lot of things during the season. just take a look at their soft schedule. Whos Seattle played Arizona twice. Atlanta. Carolina Phillip Rivers, Mariota, Brosner ( Minn) Tenn, Sainst, old man rodgers..lol
Seattle played a tougher schedule if you break it down. But not exactly the toughest as you just noted. Nearly half of their schedule was played against playoff teams which is a lot more than what the Patriots played against.
Its not half of the schedule vs playoff teams we should be looking at when capping this game.
More like the recent form ( last 3-4 road games) of both clubs and the AOPR ( ave opp's power rating) and win margin vs that AOPR.
Seattle> SF, Carolina ,Atl , Tenn. an average AOPR of 17 with a 12 pure points per game win margin vs that caliber of competition, dont see any playoff opponents in that series.
NEng > Denver, NYJ, Balt, Cinn. an average AOPR ( ave opp's power rating) of 18.5, not to much of a difference in caliber of competition. Win margin vs that AOPR of 18.5 > 9 pure points per game win margin vs that C of C
Also, when we look at the offenses PPF ("pure" points for) in the 4 gm rd series of both clubs. NE comes into this game with PPF total of 85 a 23 ave "pure points" offense in that 4 game road series using the high/ low method. Seattle comes in with an 83, a 21 "pure points" offense in their 4 gm rd series using a high/low method
When we look at the defenses PPA( "pure" points against) in the 4 game road series of both clubs NE comes into this game with a total 61 a 15 pp average per game defesne. Seattle comes into this game with a 46 PPA a 9 pp ave per gm
My point: Both teams play the same caliber of competition ( ie AOPR) when we use the "recent road" form method) and have basically the same win margin vs those opponents with both teams having close to an identical offense and indentical defense from a "pure points" perspective. meaning that this will be a drag out tight fight to the finish line w/ both defenses flexing their muscles and it may just come down to the team / QB that makes the fewest mistakes..mark that down brother
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@capperator
Its not half of the schedule vs playoff teams we should be looking at when capping this game.
More like the recent form ( last 3-4 road games) of both clubs and the AOPR ( ave opp's power rating) and win margin vs that AOPR.
Seattle> SF, Carolina ,Atl , Tenn. an average AOPR of 17 with a 12 pure points per game win margin vs that caliber of competition, dont see any playoff opponents in that series.
NEng > Denver, NYJ, Balt, Cinn. an average AOPR ( ave opp's power rating) of 18.5, not to much of a difference in caliber of competition. Win margin vs that AOPR of 18.5 > 9 pure points per game win margin vs that C of C
Also, when we look at the offenses PPF ("pure" points for) in the 4 gm rd series of both clubs. NE comes into this game with PPF total of 85 a 23 ave "pure points" offense in that 4 game road series using the high/ low method. Seattle comes in with an 83, a 21 "pure points" offense in their 4 gm rd series using a high/low method
When we look at the defenses PPA( "pure" points against) in the 4 game road series of both clubs NE comes into this game with a total 61 a 15 pp average per game defesne. Seattle comes into this game with a 46 PPA a 9 pp ave per gm
My point: Both teams play the same caliber of competition ( ie AOPR) when we use the "recent road" form method) and have basically the same win margin vs those opponents with both teams having close to an identical offense and indentical defense from a "pure points" perspective. meaning that this will be a drag out tight fight to the finish line w/ both defenses flexing their muscles and it may just come down to the team / QB that makes the fewest mistakes..mark that down brother
I’ve watched every minute of pats games this year. If raining and ball is wet Maye struggled when passing different qb otherwise his passing and accuracy has been off the charts. Pats run defense is a master class at holding your spot plugging holes and then you just don’t have 1-2 guys at point of contact you have 3-5 guys making contact. Should be a great game
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I’ve watched every minute of pats games this year. If raining and ball is wet Maye struggled when passing different qb otherwise his passing and accuracy has been off the charts. Pats run defense is a master class at holding your spot plugging holes and then you just don’t have 1-2 guys at point of contact you have 3-5 guys making contact. Should be a great game
Perhaps considering he hadn't thrown a football in 3 years. We are here because the Pats were gifted one of the easiest schedules in recent memory. It's funny because when this type thing is done in college football everyone voices it and not just look at the glossy record.
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Quote Originally Posted by Drake-The-Snake:
@rosswin97 Stidham outplayed Maye? ????
Perhaps considering he hadn't thrown a football in 3 years. We are here because the Pats were gifted one of the easiest schedules in recent memory. It's funny because when this type thing is done in college football everyone voices it and not just look at the glossy record.
@capperator Its not half of the schedule vs playoff teams we should be looking at when capping this game. More like the recent form ( last 3-4 road games) of both clubs and the AOPR ( ave opp's power rating) and win margin vs that AOPR. Seattle> SF, Carolina ,Atl , Tenn. an average AOPR of 17 with a 12 pure points per game win margin vs that caliber of competition, dont see any playoff opponents in that series. NEng > Denver, NYJ, Balt, Cinn. an average AOPR ( ave opp's power rating) of 18.5, not to much of a difference in caliber of competition. Win margin vs that AOPR of 18.5 > 9 pure points per game win margin vs that C of C Also, when we look at the offenses PPF ("pure" points for) in the 4 gm rd series of both clubs. NE comes into this game with PPF total of 85 a 23 ave "pure points" offense in that 4 game road series using the high/ low method. Seattle comes in with an 83, a 21 "pure points" offense in their 4 gm rd series using a high/low method When we look at the defenses PPA( "pure" points against) in the 4 game road series of both clubs NE comes into this game with a total 61 a 15 pp average per game defesne. Seattle comes into this game with a 46 PPA a 9 pp ave per gm My point: Both teams play the same caliber of competition ( ie AOPR) when we use the "recent road" form method) and have basically the same win margin vs those opponents with both teams having close to an identical offense and indentical defense from a "pure points" perspective. meaning that this will be a drag out tight fight to the finish line w/ both defenses flexing their muscles and it may just come down to the team / QB that makes the fewest mistakes..mark that down brother
this is a lot of good info. this is what this site is all about. giving answers to questions on how to break this game down. and the way you do it is much more sophisticated than just looking at the schedule and counting the number of playoff teams. based on all of this you're basically saying that there is no real advantage and this game will come down to intangibles. we should mark that down.
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Quote Originally Posted by Wizerguy:
@capperator Its not half of the schedule vs playoff teams we should be looking at when capping this game. More like the recent form ( last 3-4 road games) of both clubs and the AOPR ( ave opp's power rating) and win margin vs that AOPR. Seattle> SF, Carolina ,Atl , Tenn. an average AOPR of 17 with a 12 pure points per game win margin vs that caliber of competition, dont see any playoff opponents in that series. NEng > Denver, NYJ, Balt, Cinn. an average AOPR ( ave opp's power rating) of 18.5, not to much of a difference in caliber of competition. Win margin vs that AOPR of 18.5 > 9 pure points per game win margin vs that C of C Also, when we look at the offenses PPF ("pure" points for) in the 4 gm rd series of both clubs. NE comes into this game with PPF total of 85 a 23 ave "pure points" offense in that 4 game road series using the high/ low method. Seattle comes in with an 83, a 21 "pure points" offense in their 4 gm rd series using a high/low method When we look at the defenses PPA( "pure" points against) in the 4 game road series of both clubs NE comes into this game with a total 61 a 15 pp average per game defesne. Seattle comes into this game with a 46 PPA a 9 pp ave per gm My point: Both teams play the same caliber of competition ( ie AOPR) when we use the "recent road" form method) and have basically the same win margin vs those opponents with both teams having close to an identical offense and indentical defense from a "pure points" perspective. meaning that this will be a drag out tight fight to the finish line w/ both defenses flexing their muscles and it may just come down to the team / QB that makes the fewest mistakes..mark that down brother
this is a lot of good info. this is what this site is all about. giving answers to questions on how to break this game down. and the way you do it is much more sophisticated than just looking at the schedule and counting the number of playoff teams. based on all of this you're basically saying that there is no real advantage and this game will come down to intangibles. we should mark that down.
@skn02 how many teams are stopping stafford, nukua, adams, williams, and the rest of the offense.
There's no point trying to give people sound reasoning when they're already locked onto some stupid idea they think is making them smarter than everyone else. It always makes me laugh because you look at how they write and it's like it was written a toddler who doesn't speak English as his first language.
Both of what you said about Seattle possibly being the best defense they will face and that the Rams offense isn't being shut down by many teams - totally legit points. Seattle still ranks top of the NFL in points per game despite playing the Rams twice a year and SF twice who also was a top 10 offense. And they actually played them 3 times each this year.
And if you think NE's offense looked great vs those last 2 defenses i dunno what game you were watching.
Yes it may come down to what QB makes the least mistakes and Darnold has turned it over a lot but Maye also leads the NFL in fumbles and Seattle can take the ball away. Was the Pats the game he was 'seeing ghosts' as a Jet?
Either he has another nightmare like that or he gets redemption. The team around him is too good to not give him a very solid shot at the latter. They also have much, much better big play capability on the offense than the Pats two last opponents and they outlasted the best offense last week, which counts for a lot. They beat the Rams pretty convincingly, an opponent that usually came down to FG last minute and had the top offense.
Seattle has had plenty of games at Levi's stadium. It's not Foxboro. NE barely won in Denver despite Denver having no offense to speak of. I think they get smoked on this neutral field. They beat exactly one playoff team at home this year the inept Texans who handed them the game every chance they got to get back in it they messed up.
It's gonna be Darnold redemption story: the guy everyone cast aside. Not the new golden boy that will IMO very shortly be shown that he ain't no Tom Brady.
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Quote Originally Posted by capperator:
@skn02 how many teams are stopping stafford, nukua, adams, williams, and the rest of the offense.
There's no point trying to give people sound reasoning when they're already locked onto some stupid idea they think is making them smarter than everyone else. It always makes me laugh because you look at how they write and it's like it was written a toddler who doesn't speak English as his first language.
Both of what you said about Seattle possibly being the best defense they will face and that the Rams offense isn't being shut down by many teams - totally legit points. Seattle still ranks top of the NFL in points per game despite playing the Rams twice a year and SF twice who also was a top 10 offense. And they actually played them 3 times each this year.
And if you think NE's offense looked great vs those last 2 defenses i dunno what game you were watching.
Yes it may come down to what QB makes the least mistakes and Darnold has turned it over a lot but Maye also leads the NFL in fumbles and Seattle can take the ball away. Was the Pats the game he was 'seeing ghosts' as a Jet?
Either he has another nightmare like that or he gets redemption. The team around him is too good to not give him a very solid shot at the latter. They also have much, much better big play capability on the offense than the Pats two last opponents and they outlasted the best offense last week, which counts for a lot. They beat the Rams pretty convincingly, an opponent that usually came down to FG last minute and had the top offense.
Seattle has had plenty of games at Levi's stadium. It's not Foxboro. NE barely won in Denver despite Denver having no offense to speak of. I think they get smoked on this neutral field. They beat exactly one playoff team at home this year the inept Texans who handed them the game every chance they got to get back in it they messed up.
It's gonna be Darnold redemption story: the guy everyone cast aside. Not the new golden boy that will IMO very shortly be shown that he ain't no Tom Brady.
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