Rooney Rule?

@brn2loslive2win

 I'm not the one getting his "panties in a bunch". The guy who created this worthless thread is the guy getting his panties in a bunch. The people chiming in making a huge issue where there isn't one are the ones getting their panties in a bunch. I just think it's comical the shit  people choose to be triggered by. Shit that has no negative effect on them. No negative effect on anybody.

If the Rooney Rule was a hiring policy, I would agree it would have no place in the NFL. It's not though. It's an interview policy. The fact is, the hiring of coaches has always been subjective. There is no coaching assessment and you just hire the guy that scored the highest. There are talented coaches out there who would never get a shot, simply because no one thinks to give them one. Football, like most businesses, is a bit of a country club. People hire those with whom they are chummy. Then those people hire their friends, and so forth. It creates a vicious cycle where people who deserve a shot never get it, simply because they didn't join the right fraternity. Didn't have the right dad.

The notion of the hiring of coaches being based on merit is a fairytale. It's not what you know, it's who you know. That's the way of the world.

@Raiders22

 How many assistants under Belichick have gone on to be successful head coaches?

How many coached on the offensive side of the ball, finding success coaching Charlie Weiss' Erhardt-Perkins offensive system as opposed to Bill Belichek's 3-4 defense?

Belichick is a phenomenal coach and defensive mind but we can't give him credit for developing good assistants per se. His assistants were given opportunities because the Patriots are a winning team. And the coordinators of winning teams are typically given head coaching opportunities. They haven't necessarily found success on their own like, say, the coaches developed under Bill Walsh.

@StumpTownStu

You make valid points...Belichick's assistants got jobs but were they successful? A great followup question...and for the most part, no they were not successful but I thought Brian Flores was doing a great job in turning the Dolphins around...it takes time for a losing franchise to get results.

Yes, they were successful as assistants. Belichick was successful. The Patriots were/are a winning franchise. So Patriot assistants get jobs. Doesn't mean they are groomed to be, or are better suited to be head coaches. It just means they are coordinators on winning teams. Look at Matt Patricia. Belichick is a defensive coach. Here is his defensive protegé. How did he do as a head coach? He deserved the shot. Doesn't mean he has what it takes to be a good head coach. And to be fair, even Belichick struck out his first go 'round as a head coach. (Though by Cleveland standards, he was phenomenal.)

Correct.   I think that was the point the guy I quoted was making on the forum.  Hard to disagree with him.  Look at their track record.

@StumpTownStu

 Your “it’s the jets” logic should apply to Patricia…  it’s the lions

the coaches that stick around are typically the good ones… to overlook the fact that their kids have been following in their footsteps, living the life, learning how it’s done as simply nepotism ain’t right… if I were hiring a head coach I’d also lean in their favor… not bring in Hines ward to check a box 

its billionaire owners improving their “optics” in today’s political/media landscape… absolutely unnecessary 

It does.

@StumpTownStu

I was agreeing with you...

Could you imagine waking up in the morning and finding out that your team just hired Raheem Morris? 

We need the Rooney Rule for white running backs, safeties and corners. Only fair

Why are you guys so worried of them interviewing minorities?   Shouldn’t that give you guys the chance to reinforce your dominance?   

Hey, why do you think Weddle got the call?

Jaguars fans get the luxury of waking up in 6 hours and finding out that they just hired Byron Leftwich.

Who would you have hired? You seem obsessed so surely you have a suggestion.

Josh McDaniels or anyone else more qualified...tell me what qualifies Leftwich to be a head coach??? I am certain that next year Brady will be lost without him...

What qualifies any of these young coordinators to be a head coach? It's like asking what qualifies a college QB to be a #1 pick. It's a gamble. What qualified Todd McVey before he got the job? What qualified Joe Judge? What qualified Brandon Staley? What had Matt Rhule done to be so coveted and how did that work out?

Unqualified/under qualified coaching candidates are tapped to be head coaches every year. Some work out, some don't, but is only when the coach is black that the forum erupts and we get multiple page threads, sometimes multiple threads, about how a team got it wrong. Find me the thread complaining about the Joe Judge hire and I will have nothing left to say.

As far as Josh McDaniels, if you can sway him to Jacksonville when I thought the plan was for him to take over in New England, than have at it but I don't think he's walking through that door. Would you if you were Josh McDaniels? Name me a guy we're 100% sure is even available.

@StumpTownStu

Aside from Belichick and Reid all of the other head coaches in the NFL are pretenders...so yeah, it probably doesn't matter who a team hires. The rest of them blow...

@StumpTownStu

Would you say that Brian Flores is more qualified than Leftwich? I would...his firing was really uncalled for IMO. Flores was making progress.

I wouldn't and here's why. Leftwich has worked with Arians and ran that system for a number of several years now, also working with him in Arizona. So he's very familiar with the concepts he'll be installing. Arians loves that guy as has been grooming him to be a head coach, handing him play calling responsibilities. Not every O.C. under an offensive minded head coach is given the reigns.  Plus when has a O.C. been afforded the opportunity to actually learn from their QB. Brady is obsessive and between he and Arians, Leftwich has been given a master class. I feel Flores was making progress on both sides of the ball and deserved a couple years but that's the ADD/instant gratification generation we find ourselves in. I mentioned Matt Patricia in an above post. If I were the Lions G.M/Owner, he'd still be my head coach. If I was a team, I'd be looking at him even after how things went in Detroit.

@lancer89074

 Wasn’t Josh McDaniel given a head coaching opportunity?     Then he bailed and went back to New England   

‘But interest in McDaniels as a head coach seems to have cooled off, perhaps as a result of his spurning the Colts.’

He probably wants to inherit a winning team just like the coaches for SF, GB and Arizona did.      

Give the coaches that certain people want to see fail a job at jax or ny.  Lol

He was head coach in Denver and sucked. Got in trouble for videotaping. Then he bailed on the Colts.

Does anyone remember when Jim Caldwell went 26-63 at Wake Forest? Yeah let’s go hire that guy..

@OrangeBowl305

That was before he coached the Lions.  You conveniently left out that he left Matt Patricia the Detroit Lions with a winning record.   And look what Matt did to them.  

Caldwell had a winning record... In Detroit!

Took the Lions to the playoffs two out of the four years he was there. The Lions. Yeah, he sucks as a coach.