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#51
got good chance at 1-2 more with tomlin in the fold..
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Roethlisberger: "My goal is to win 5 Super Bowls."
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#53
Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:
and before Steelers fans tell me the D fucked up late, and that Big Ben bailed them out...my argument is after Big Ben got picked, had Harrison not given the score a 10 point swing [at least, if not 14], I think the STEELERS lose the game.
Now carry on...
Funny you never once say Kurt Warner, who's a Super Bowl winning QB with tons of experience who shit his pants and never should have thrown that pass, killed momentum, and cost his fluke of a team a Super Bowl.
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#55
Quote Originally Posted by 5time786:
Also it's not Kurt's fault he made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. If you have the #1 ranked defense you will be bailed out. Ask Big Ben about being bailed out right before halftime. [did he think NFL players can't jump?] Kurt wasn't bailed out and they lost. What is your point? In this thread STEELER'S fans tell me that the defense was the focal point of the team, so I don't really care about your opinion. Thats a fact.Funny you never once say Kurt Warner, who's a Super Bowl winning QB with tons of experience who shit his pants and never should have thrown that pass, killed momentum, and cost his fluke of a team a Super Bowl.
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#58
Quote Originally Posted by BestKeptSecret:
When you've played with the best DEFENSE in the
interesting what ben said...so he has even more to live up to
league time and time again, It's expected that you would
set high goals for yourself and your teammates.
It's not that interesting BestKeptSecret.
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Posted:
#62
Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:
Also it's not Kurt's fault he made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. If you have the #1 ranked defense you will be bailed out. Ask Big Ben about being bailed out right before halftime. [did he think NFL players can't jump?] Kurt wasn't bailed out and they lost. What is your point? In this thread STEELER'S fans tell me that the defense was the focal point of the team, so I don't really care about your opinion. Thats a fact.
Also it's not Kurt's fault he made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. If you have the #1 ranked defense you will be bailed out. Ask Big Ben about being bailed out right before halftime. [did he think NFL players can't jump?] Kurt wasn't bailed out and they lost. What is your point? In this thread STEELER'S fans tell me that the defense was the focal point of the team, so I don't really care about your opinion. Thats a fact.
Well cry me a river, who's fucking fault was it then? Should be a routine play for a player with Warners experience.
I didn't have to ask Big Ben anything, I watched that final drive he put together for another Super Bowl Title. [some people still think the game is played in one half ] 
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#64
Quote Originally Posted by 5time786:
Funny you never once say Kurt Warner, who's a Super Bowl winning QB with tons of experience who shit his pants and never should have thrown that pass, killed momentum, and cost his fluke of a team a Super Bowl.
The problem wasnt the INT, rather that the INT was allowed to score with so many penalties during the return, AND that the Pitt defense didnt allow a TD when Ben coughed it up like he did.
The Pitt defense for 3/4 of the game was why they won, although they got lit up like a christmas tree during that 4th Q..man I dont get why Wisenhunt didnt try the no-huddle earlier, ole Dick was sh!tting his pants watching the Cards mow them down on that possession.
Arizona deserved the game just as much as Pitt did, especially with that 4th quarter comeback.
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#65
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
The problem wasnt the INT, rather that the INT was allowed to score with so many penalties during the return, AND that the Pitt defense didnt allow a TD when Ben coughed it up like he did.
The Pitt defense for 3/4 of the game was why they won, although they got lit up like a christmas tree during that 4th Q..man I dont get why Wisenhunt didnt try the no-huddle earlier, ole Dick was sh!tting his pants watching the Cards mow them down on that possession.
Arizona deserved the game just as much as Pitt did, especially with that 4th quarter comeback.
great points wallstreet. The STEELER fans have on their black and yellow blinders and for some reason missed all these points. The problem wasnt the INT, rather that the INT was allowed to score with so many penalties during the return, AND that the Pitt defense didnt allow a TD when Ben coughed it up like he did.
The Pitt defense for 3/4 of the game was why they won, although they got lit up like a christmas tree during that 4th Q..man I dont get why Wisenhunt didnt try the no-huddle earlier, ole Dick was sh!tting his pants watching the Cards mow them down on that possession.
Arizona deserved the game just as much as Pitt did, especially with that 4th quarter comeback.
. I know we didn't agree on the MVP voting but you nailed it 0
Posted:
#66
Yeah Ben didn't play a perfect game. Then again, neither did
Kurt. But Ben played pretty good when it counted. Bottom
line... he got the win. Kurt didn't.
Wallstreet... Arizona played a hell of a game. And they
almost won. Almost. They ALMOST deserved the
game.
Samuel... you're still an idiot. One could say that Ben bailed out
the defense in the 4th quarter. And without him doing that the
Steelers dont have a chance.
Earlier quote from Sammy...
Some people still think the STEELER's have a chance if Big Ben doesn't get bailed out by Big James
And I'm glad you dont like Tomlin. Because you're gonna really get sick of him holding up that Lombardi Trophy.
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#67
Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:
Yes, because Ben would be in that position if James didn't give them the 10-14 point turnaround Yeah Ben didn't play a perfect game. Then again, neither did
Kurt. But Ben played pretty good when it counted. Bottom
line... he got the win. Kurt didn't.
Wallstreet... Arizona played a hell of a game. And they
almost won. Almost. They ALMOST deserved the
game.
Samuel... you're still an idiot. One could say that Ben bailed out
the defense in the 4th quarter. And without him doing that the
Steelers dont have a chance.
Earlier quote from Sammy...
Some people still think the STEELER's have a chance if Big Ben doesn't get bailed out by Big James
And I'm glad you dont like Tomlin. Because you're gonna really get sick of him holding up that Lombardi Trophy.
. You are correct.
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#68
Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:
Yes, because Ben would be in that position if James didn't give them the 10-14 point turnaround. You are correct.
No doubt Sammy the defense carried Pitt last year as the offense was predictable and below average.. BUT with four new offensive lineman and a 3rd string running back for most of the year it was to be expected.. But to devalue the importance of Ben to this team is wrong and uniformed.. Ben is a old time throwback QB.. It aint always pretty and the stats are not always good ( he did throw for 31 TDS & 11 INTS two years ago behind a good line though) he is the heart and soul of this team .. He took some major hits this past year and stood in there and chucked the rock.. MAN STYLE.. Plus no matter how you slice the pie he is clutch at crunch time.. In any sport at any level when you lead your team like he did on that final drive vs Zona in the SB you are clutch period.. No debate.. Its easy to do it early in any game but when the game is on the line the great ones want the ball.. Give me ben before a "pretty " QB like Carson Palmer any day.. Palmer would have went down like a sack of potatos on that final drive ... Also PS on their first SB run with Ben it was ALL Ben during that 3 game road run.. Not the defense !!! Defense won the SB game ( Ben sucked) but he put them on his shoulders to get there.. Your wrong in short "average" QB's dont lead the team like he has in the heat and or take the hits he has taken and keep on winging it.. Even though he is not a stat QB his first five years are well above average.. Sorry wrong here..Period.. Defense a huge part but take Ben out put in an average QB (like carson) and they have ZERO SB wins.. IMO.. and many more..Yes, because Ben would be in that position if James didn't give them the 10-14 point turnaround
. You are correct.
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#69
Plus the Rooneys know a hell of alot more about football talent then anyone on this board ( actually they forgot more about talent then we know on the way to work) and they throw around money like man hole covers and they signed Ben to the biggest contract in Steeler history.. Good enough for me.. Next.. 
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#70
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
I dont even like entertaining debates with people who are angry and unwilling to actually research stats.
Check out the teams which Brady and especially Manning were on in their first few years and the team that Ben inherited. It is easy to do, just go to nfl.com, find stats for past seasons, compare defenses, offenses, sacks, turnovers, things which you can compare and it is easy to see that Ben did not inherit the same teams which Brady and Manning did, thus the argument is incorrect and biased.
Ben is a game manager, he is not a great passing QB, he is big and tough to tackle, he is gritty and cocky and has many great qualities..but as a passing QB he does not have the skills of the names mentioned here, but on that team he does not NEED those skills.
It is similar to how Tomlin inherited a great team, the true sign of the quality of the individual is how they do given difficult circumstances, not inheriting the Steelers and that awesome organization.
Since 2000 the Stillers had only ONE losing season, 2003 and even with that losing season their defense was in the top 10.
Enough with the discussion, unless Dick retires or Ben moves to another team, we wont ever know if he is great on his own or not, similar to Eli, Brady or even Peyton to a degree..so congrats if they keep winning but it surely isnt due to HIM alone, rather the entire team and organization are why they win..especially the defense.
I dont even like entertaining debates with people who are angry and unwilling to actually research stats.
Check out the teams which Brady and especially Manning were on in their first few years and the team that Ben inherited. It is easy to do, just go to nfl.com, find stats for past seasons, compare defenses, offenses, sacks, turnovers, things which you can compare and it is easy to see that Ben did not inherit the same teams which Brady and Manning did, thus the argument is incorrect and biased.
Ben is a game manager, he is not a great passing QB, he is big and tough to tackle, he is gritty and cocky and has many great qualities..but as a passing QB he does not have the skills of the names mentioned here, but on that team he does not NEED those skills.
It is similar to how Tomlin inherited a great team, the true sign of the quality of the individual is how they do given difficult circumstances, not inheriting the Steelers and that awesome organization.
Since 2000 the Stillers had only ONE losing season, 2003 and even with that losing season their defense was in the top 10.
Enough with the discussion, unless Dick retires or Ben moves to another team, we wont ever know if he is great on his own or not, similar to Eli, Brady or even Peyton to a degree..so congrats if they keep winning but it surely isnt due to HIM alone, rather the entire team and organization are why they win..especially the defense.
Persomally, stats dont mean that much to me. All stats are not true indicators of a players ability. In all sports stats are misleading. Take FT% in hoops. A guy may be a 63% shooter in all situations, but when the game is on the line his % improves to 85%. Or vice- versa, he could be a choke artist. I can give you many examples in all sports, Short of it STATS LIE.
As far as Big Ben is concearned he' s the real deal. All he does is win. You are doing him a disservice by comparing him to the Mannings. At least twice Peyton has thrown 4+ picks in a playoff game.
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Posted:
#71
Quote Originally Posted by geddy_lee:
I have officially heard it all. Peyton Manning on his bad day is a better QB than Ben on one of his better days. Peyton knows more about the QB position than Ben would learn in two lifetimes. Persomally, stats dont mean that much to me. All stats are not true indicators of a players ability. In all sports stats are misleading. Take FT% in hoops. A guy may be a 63% shooter in all situations, but when the game is on the line his % improves to 85%. Or vice- versa, he could be a choke artist. I can give you many examples in all sports, Short of it STATS LIE.
As far as Big Ben is concearned he' s the real deal. All he does is win. You are doing him a disservice by comparing him to the Mannings. At least twice Peyton has thrown 4+ picks in a playoff game.
Big Ben is the beneficiary of an amazing situation. He lucked into getting drafted by a great team, that has an AMAZING defense. This is a fact. The man is a good QB, but thats where it ends. A Shaq size handful of QB'S would of won last year playing on that STEELERS team. Plenty of people agree with me, and I don't care if the STEELERS homers dont. Ben is good, not great.
We could go on for years and my views wont change. Good luck this season.......I see BIG things happening for the STEELERS as long as the defense carries them again. 0
Posted:
#72
Quote Originally Posted by JACKSPLAT:
No doubt Sammy the defense carried Pitt last year as the offense was predictable and below average.. BUT with four new offensive lineman and a 3rd string running back for most of the year it was to be expected.. But to devalue the importance of Ben to this team is wrong and uniformed.. Ben is a old time throwback QB.. It aint always pretty and the stats are not always good ( he did throw for 31 TDS & 11 INTS two years ago behind a good line though) he is the heart and soul of this team .. He took some major hits this past year and stood in there and chucked the rock.. MAN STYLE.. Plus no matter how you slice the pie he is clutch at crunch time.. In any sport at any level when you lead your team like he did on that final drive vs Zona in the SB you are clutch period.. No debate.. Its easy to do it early in any game but when the game is on the line the great ones want the ball.. Give me ben before a "pretty " QB like Carson Palmer any day.. Palmer would have went down like a sack of potatos on that final drive ... Also PS on their first SB run with Ben it was ALL Ben during that 3 game road run.. Not the defense !!! Defense won the SB game ( Ben sucked) but he put them on his shoulders to get there.. Your wrong in short "average" QB's dont lead the team like he has in the heat and or take the hits he has taken and keep on winging it.. Even though he is not a stat QB his first five years are well above average.. Sorry wrong here..Period.. Defense a huge part but take Ben out put in an average QB (like carson) and they have ZERO SB wins.. IMO.. and many more..
I would take Ben over CARSON also if it would help you sleep at night. No doubt Sammy the defense carried Pitt last year as the offense was predictable and below average.. BUT with four new offensive lineman and a 3rd string running back for most of the year it was to be expected.. But to devalue the importance of Ben to this team is wrong and uniformed.. Ben is a old time throwback QB.. It aint always pretty and the stats are not always good ( he did throw for 31 TDS & 11 INTS two years ago behind a good line though) he is the heart and soul of this team .. He took some major hits this past year and stood in there and chucked the rock.. MAN STYLE.. Plus no matter how you slice the pie he is clutch at crunch time.. In any sport at any level when you lead your team like he did on that final drive vs Zona in the SB you are clutch period.. No debate.. Its easy to do it early in any game but when the game is on the line the great ones want the ball.. Give me ben before a "pretty " QB like Carson Palmer any day.. Palmer would have went down like a sack of potatos on that final drive ... Also PS on their first SB run with Ben it was ALL Ben during that 3 game road run.. Not the defense !!! Defense won the SB game ( Ben sucked) but he put them on his shoulders to get there.. Your wrong in short "average" QB's dont lead the team like he has in the heat and or take the hits he has taken and keep on winging it.. Even though he is not a stat QB his first five years are well above average.. Sorry wrong here..Period.. Defense a huge part but take Ben out put in an average QB (like carson) and they have ZERO SB wins.. IMO.. and many more..
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Posted:
#73
Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:
I have officially heard it all. Peyton Manning on his bad day is a better QB than Ben on one of his better days. Peyton knows more about the QB position than Ben would learn in two lifetimes.
Big Ben is the beneficiary of an amazing situation. He lucked into getting drafted by a great team, that has an AMAZING defense. This is a fact. The man is a good QB, but thats where it ends. A Shaq size handful of QB'S would of won last year playing on that STEELERS team. Plenty of people agree with me, and I don't care if the STEELERS homers dont. Ben is good, not great. We could go on for years and my views wont change. Good luck this season.......I see BIG things happening for the STEELERS as long as the defense carries them again.
I have officially heard it all. Peyton Manning on his bad day is a better QB than Ben on one of his better days. Peyton knows more about the QB position than Ben would learn in two lifetimes.
Big Ben is the beneficiary of an amazing situation. He lucked into getting drafted by a great team, that has an AMAZING defense. This is a fact. The man is a good QB, but thats where it ends. A Shaq size handful of QB'S would of won last year playing on that STEELERS team. Plenty of people agree with me, and I don't care if the STEELERS homers dont. Ben is good, not great.
We could go on for years and my views wont change. Good luck this season.......I see BIG things happening for the STEELERS as long as the defense carries them again.
Go back and look at these AFC championship games
| 20 | 01/18 | @ NE | L 14-24 | 1 | 1 | 23 | 47 | 48.9 | 237 | 5.0 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 29 |
7-6 all time playoff record.......when he did win the SB he had 3 tds and 7ints the whole post season
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