R. Wilson is on drugs....

If he thinks he should be the highest paid QB

Unless, he plans on giving 80% of his contract to his defense...

He is an AVERAGE QB at best, and would be .500 or below if he didn't have that defense behind him the last few years

Sorry, don't take it personally but this is one of the most stupidest comments I've read in a while.

To make it to a Super Bowl, you need a good passing offense and a good passing defense or any logical combination of both. Passing offense starts at the o-line and passing defense starts at the d-line.

The Seahawks have a good defense, but they are slightly overrated against the pass. They were better in 2013. Down the stretch in the 2014 regular season, when they went 6-0, they didn't face any real good passing offense. They had ZERO pass rush heading into the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers could have drunk a beer in the pocket. If Jordy Nelson doesn't drop that easy ball in the end zone and Aaron Rodgers doesn't throw the ball to James Jones into Sherman's man coverage in the end zone, the Packers score 29 points very easily. Russell Wilson had a bad game, because the Packers did a very good job defensively against the soft o-line of Seattle. But then Wilson led the Seahawks to the mighty comeback win, going 5/6 for 99 yards during the rally.

The 7-8-1 Panthers almost scored 24 points AT Seattle. They outgained the Seahawks by 14 total yards DESPITE losing the turnover battle 0-3!!! How did the Seahawks overcome that? Russell Wilson was 15/22 for 248 net-yards (sacks included), 11.3 YPPA and 3 TD on zero INT. He had a rating of around 150 - you know 158.3 is the maximum.

With a shaky offensive line and one of the worst receiving corps, you don't make it to the Super Bowl two years in a row. Russell Wilson made that happen. His play action ability to overcome the usually bad o-line play is what made the Seahawks a Super Bowl contender. Since Russell Wilson is the starter, the Seahawks had a top-ten passing offense in each of the three years. With another QB, they probably wouldn't have made it to any Super Bowl. The shaky o-line lost Carpenter and Pro Bowler Unger. Who would want to play behind that line in 2015?

He should not be the highest-paid player like he wants to be, but he definitely earns a restructured contract.

 

I wasn't going to comment after your first comment being...."most stupidest"

But work is slow, so why not...

Funny you say you need a good passing offense....tell that to Trent Dilfer and the Raves, or Eli and the Giants...

Its also funny you claim the Seahwaks have a "shaky" offensive line, yet they led the NFL in rushing this year, were #4 in 2013 and #3 in 2012.  Pretty impressive to do that with a "shaky" line. 

Do you watch games or just look at numbers?  You speak of the Carolina game...yes impressive numbers, but 2 of those tds he just threw the ball up and was lucky.....in fact he has had some very, very lucky throws in the past.

Yes, Seahawks D wasn't as good this year, but that doesn't take away from how good they are.  They didn't win the Superbowl or make it to the Superbowl because of Wilson

Good run blocking Oline ? a good pass blocking line. They are two different skills. Seahawks value run blocking much more than pass blocking which is they excel in the run game and struggle with the pass.  

meant to say does not equal

Even as a Seahawks fan, I can agree that he shouldn't be the highest paid player in the NFL. But he has a great ability to make something out of nothing. At what point do you quit calling a guy lucky & realize he's very talented? Unless you see him week in & week out, it's hard to grasp why some think he's a great qb. He's certainly not a high pick for FF, but his stats don't tell the whole story. It's hard to quantify what he does for that offense. If he's no threat to run, it would be easier to shut down Lynch, & some would say vice-versa. Even though he gets sacked a lot, the # of times he escapes & makes a play is frustrating to a defense..........but he's smart enough to know when to take a sack or throw it away. The L2 years Seattle has been one of the top 3 teams in least giveaways.

 I guess my point would be that, although I agree with you about his, or rather his agents, salary demands, if you line up his stats & accomplishments side by side with Cam Newton, it's a no-brainer. Paying Newton what Carolina (who also has a great D) did simply raised the bar for what Wilson should expect to be paid.

He does deserve top 10 QB pay, but for sure not top 3.

I hope they pay him a king's ransom, so that team can go back into obscurity where it belongs.

If a sorry QB like sham newton can get paid why not this kid. Russell has been to the last 2 SBs, winning one and very nearly winning a 2nd.   I think the thread starter is on drugs.

Lets be real, He is very very very good

you cannot give a guy all that money when he only throws around 15 passes a game Wilson is about average if lynch isn't there. hes the one that makes Wilson good.remember seattle might be 0-2 the beginning of year--stl--gb.

He is at the top right now and retaining his position a.as he has succeeded till now.

 

Def respect your posts and the site  And, I guess I should have restated my initial post alittle better.

I would say I watch atleast half of Seahawks games during the season, and I do believe he has more than average luck.  Sometimes he literally just throws the ball up, and the WR makes some crazy catch...some might call it skill, but to me its luck. 

Yes, he has great playmaking skills, but he was sacked 44 times, and I would be very confident in saying 14+ of those were because he tried to do too much, instead of just throwing the ball away...

I guess when you look at the demands in terms of what Tannehill (spelling?) or Newton got, its not asking much, but that just shows how how crazy contracts are now-a-days, and in a way how poor the QBs are now...

I mean are Newton, Tannehill and Wilson worth that??  Not even close???

I don't think I have any of those in the Top 10 QBs in the league

 

The only reason I brought up Dilfer or Eli was to counter Suuma comments....that you need a passing offense to make it to the Superbowl....

The Ravens would barely break 200yds on a good day passing, and they steam-rolled the league that year....

That was the only reason I made those comments

Take a look at the wide receivers/tight ends Wilson has had to throw to........................they are the definition of no-names. And they won with these bums.......

I apologize for the first sentence, but my intention remains the same: to say Russell Wilson is "an average QB at best" is completely ridiculous.

And in your comment above I cannot see any logical reasoning and you adressed only parts of what I said.

I didn't talk about the Seahawks' running game, I was talking about the o-line in relation to passing offense.

I said to make the Super Bowl you need a good passing offense and a good passing defense or any logical combination of both. For example: The 2009 and 2010 Jets probably had the best passing defense but their passing offense was just average (2009) or below-average (2010). They came very close to making the Super Bowl.

With Trent Dilfer and the 2008 Giants you probably picked the two exceptions in the history of the Super Bowl. But you are dead wrong about the 2012 Giants.

The 2000 Ravens had the best passing defense, they allowed 6.0 YPPA (sacks not included, because I can't find the number) during the regular season and 4.2 YPPA during the playoffs. I don't know if there has ever been a better one. Trent Dilfer didn't need to do anything in that Super Bowl because the Giants turned the ball over five times and the Ravens defense caught four interceptions. He might be the only offensive exception in the history of the Super Bowl. Heads-up please.

The 2008 Giants didn't represent any good passing numbers on offense or defense but their pass defense led the post-season.

The 2011/2012 Giants passing offense :

#4 7.9 YPPA
#3 in PFF efficiency ranking

The 2011/2012 Giants passing defense :

#15 in YPPA
#11 in PFF efficiency ranking

Their passing defense was very good during the playoffs.

The achievements Wilson has acquired in such a short amount of time are unprecedented.  Because Wilson hasn't been getting paid, it's allowed the Hawks to build stellar defense.  I expect this not to go unnoticed by the organization.  

any qb can hand the ball off to lynch.not worth half of what he wants

Please don't bet with real money.

Exactly....when you have to score 13 points to win games, its very easy to have the record he has...

The game plan for Wilson is simple, don't turn the ball over, run the ball, let the defense put you in great field position with 3 and outs or turnovers, and score 2 tds a game if that...

75% of the QBS in the NFL today, if they had been on Seattle the last 3 years could have done what Wilson has done

Then how would you explain giving big contracts to Newton & Tannehill but not Wilson?

They have to pay him more then tannehill and newton. They should have extended him before they set the market so high.  Plus he outperformed his low rookie contract.  Once they pay him they will not be able to afford the defense they have right now.  Then we will see whether or not  he can be effective when he has to throw more often.

Than you will probably go 2-0. But your statements are flat out wrong. Tell me any games in which Russell Wilson really struggled or had an off-game and Marshawn Lynch carried the Seahawks to a win. Don't waste your time, you will have a hard time finding any games.

Some cold hard facts for everyone who thinks Marshawn Lynch is running this offense:

The Seahawks faced two of the top-5 run-defending teams in terms of ypc in 2014: Denver and Philadelphia. Lynch was held to 3.4 & 3.7 ypc - much less than his season average of 4.7 ypc. How did they manage to win? Russell Wilson was a combined 46/71 (64.8%) for 7.04 net-YPPA and 4 TD on 1 INT. And remember how good the Denver pass defense was.

The Seahawks faced five of the top-5 run-defending teams in terms of ypc in 2013: Arizona (2x), St. Louis (2x) and the Giants. Marshawn Lynch was held to 3.9, 4.3, 4.3, 2.9 and 2.9 ypc. His season average was 4.2. So in three of those games he was held to around his average (Seahawks went 2-1) and in two of those games he posted high school numbers (Seahawks went 2-0). Three of those five opponents (Arizona 2x and Giants) also had top-6 passing defenses in 2013.

How did the Seahawks manage to win those 4 games DESPITE Russell Wilson getting sacked 18 times for a loss of 117 yards ????

He still went 61/97 (62.9%) for 6.5 net-YPPA for 7 TD and 1 INT.

In 2014, the Seahawks also faced two of the worst run-defenses: Kansas City & San Diego. They went 0-2. Two of their 4 regular season losses happened against two of the worst run defenses. How is this even possible when you just have to hand the ball to Marshawn Lynch??? It was possible because Philip Rivers torched them through the air and the Chiefs defended the pass very well. Pass offense and pass defense, period.

People read the words beast and mode in headlines over the season and think he is the star of the Seahawks offense. He makes his yardage against bad rushing defenses and even this is not enough because running means almost nothing to win in this league.