I hope ur right about the Pats Mr.B because u know all the haters are just waiting to bash u if they don't cover. Thanks for all the insight about sports gambling and good luck.
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I hope ur right about the Pats Mr.B because u know all the haters are just waiting to bash u if they don't cover. Thanks for all the insight about sports gambling and good luck.
I hope ur right about the Pats Mr.B because u know all the haters are just waiting to bash u if they don't cover. Thanks for all the insight about sports gambling and good luck.
Thanks, ari. It'll be "wait till next year" for all the haters.
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Quote Originally Posted by ari:
I hope ur right about the Pats Mr.B because u know all the haters are just waiting to bash u if they don't cover. Thanks for all the insight about sports gambling and good luck.
Thanks, ari. It'll be "wait till next year" for all the haters.
MrBator: Thank you for your insight and analysis--and generosity sharing it with us! I'm totally with you on the Pats (now more than ever after reading how convinced you are of a blowout). And I read somewhere you like the Pats MUCH BETTER than the under bet. I'm wondering how strongly you feel about the under?? I admit that I'm probably like most bettors and always tend towards the OVER. But I see the Pats scoring around 42-45 on their own (don't see them having to settle for many field goals) and the Giants might get 13-17 garbage points. So I was leaning towards the over.
Was planning on betting large on the Pats with a small parlay (Pats + Over). Maybe I should just lay off the over since I lost on it last year and it still STINGS...
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MrBator: Thank you for your insight and analysis--and generosity sharing it with us! I'm totally with you on the Pats (now more than ever after reading how convinced you are of a blowout). And I read somewhere you like the Pats MUCH BETTER than the under bet. I'm wondering how strongly you feel about the under?? I admit that I'm probably like most bettors and always tend towards the OVER. But I see the Pats scoring around 42-45 on their own (don't see them having to settle for many field goals) and the Giants might get 13-17 garbage points. So I was leaning towards the over.
Was planning on betting large on the Pats with a small parlay (Pats + Over). Maybe I should just lay off the over since I lost on it last year and it still STINGS...
MrBator: Thank you for your insight and analysis--and generosity sharing it with us! I'm totally with you on the Pats (now more than ever after reading how convinced you are of a blowout). And I read somewhere you like the Pats MUCH BETTER than the under bet. I'm wondering how strongly you feel about the under?? I admit that I'm probably like most bettors and always tend towards the OVER. But I see the Pats scoring around 42-45 on their own (don't see them having to settle for many field goals) and the Giants might get 13-17 garbage points. So I was leaning towards the over.
Was planning on betting large on the Pats with a small parlay (Pats + Over). Maybe I should just lay off the over since I lost on it last year and it still STINGS...
Why fool with an uncertain O/U bet when you've got a chance to make money on such a strong side play? I don't even want my under 55 bet right now, to tell you the truth, not when I'm going to have my biggest bet of all-time on the Patriots minus the points.
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Quote Originally Posted by bet-o-matic:
MrBator: Thank you for your insight and analysis--and generosity sharing it with us! I'm totally with you on the Pats (now more than ever after reading how convinced you are of a blowout). And I read somewhere you like the Pats MUCH BETTER than the under bet. I'm wondering how strongly you feel about the under?? I admit that I'm probably like most bettors and always tend towards the OVER. But I see the Pats scoring around 42-45 on their own (don't see them having to settle for many field goals) and the Giants might get 13-17 garbage points. So I was leaning towards the over.
Was planning on betting large on the Pats with a small parlay (Pats + Over). Maybe I should just lay off the over since I lost on it last year and it still STINGS...
Why fool with an uncertain O/U bet when you've got a chance to make money on such a strong side play? I don't even want my under 55 bet right now, to tell you the truth, not when I'm going to have my biggest bet of all-time on the Patriots minus the points.
Bator, how come you are so strong on the Pats this week, when you predicted their possible downfall against the Chargers, on their home courts.
Are the Giants not a better team than the Chargers?
im pretty sure bator made that wager assuming a HEALTHY chargers team would be taking the field....mind you a HEALTHY chargers team might have been a different outcome....considering all the failed red zone trips they encountered....no thomlinson was massive loss for them....
san diego would make fools of the giants i believe. the secondary is too strong in san diego for eli manning to function....just my opinion though. GL
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Quote Originally Posted by opr2nist:
Bator, how come you are so strong on the Pats this week, when you predicted their possible downfall against the Chargers, on their home courts.
Are the Giants not a better team than the Chargers?
im pretty sure bator made that wager assuming a HEALTHY chargers team would be taking the field....mind you a HEALTHY chargers team might have been a different outcome....considering all the failed red zone trips they encountered....no thomlinson was massive loss for them....
san diego would make fools of the giants i believe. the secondary is too strong in san diego for eli manning to function....just my opinion though. GL
Bator, how come you are so strong on the Pats this week, when you predicted their possible downfall against the Chargers, on their home courts.
Are the Giants not a better team than the Chargers?
TOTALLY different scenario here. In the AFC title game, the Patriots weren't fired up enough to face a badly banged-up Chargers team that they knew they were going to take advantage of. But the bigger obstacle in that game was the same one that increasingly dogged the Patriots throughout the second half of the season. That is, they had to try to extend their perfect record while knowing that another victory only mounted the pressure on them to win again the following week. Obviously that became a large load to bear, but still they were good enough to avoid getting tripped up, although they weren't superhuman enough to keep up with the oddsmakers' weekly demands. Here, though, there is no next week. There is no next game. There is no more pressure awaiting them after this one. They know they only have to reach back for one more great effort and they'll be immortalized. And this two weeks is just what they needed to get properly rested and fired up to do what Tom Brady said they were going to do (after the San Diego game):
"We're going to elevate our game for one last performance."
That's a scary thought for the Giants and their misguided backers. In other words, the best team to ever play in the NFL is going to go into the Super Bowl not just rested, but fired up, focused, angry (again), and wanting to dominate this game more than any team has ever wanted to dominate a football game . Imagine that, the Patriots at their best (think weeks 1-11).
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Quote Originally Posted by opr2nist:
Bator, how come you are so strong on the Pats this week, when you predicted their possible downfall against the Chargers, on their home courts.
Are the Giants not a better team than the Chargers?
TOTALLY different scenario here. In the AFC title game, the Patriots weren't fired up enough to face a badly banged-up Chargers team that they knew they were going to take advantage of. But the bigger obstacle in that game was the same one that increasingly dogged the Patriots throughout the second half of the season. That is, they had to try to extend their perfect record while knowing that another victory only mounted the pressure on them to win again the following week. Obviously that became a large load to bear, but still they were good enough to avoid getting tripped up, although they weren't superhuman enough to keep up with the oddsmakers' weekly demands. Here, though, there is no next week. There is no next game. There is no more pressure awaiting them after this one. They know they only have to reach back for one more great effort and they'll be immortalized. And this two weeks is just what they needed to get properly rested and fired up to do what Tom Brady said they were going to do (after the San Diego game):
"We're going to elevate our game for one last performance."
That's a scary thought for the Giants and their misguided backers. In other words, the best team to ever play in the NFL is going to go into the Super Bowl not just rested, but fired up, focused, angry (again), and wanting to dominate this game more than any team has ever wanted to dominate a football game . Imagine that, the Patriots at their best (think weeks 1-11).
Would you hit hard -11 -115 ?Its available for me atm
Me? I'd rather lay something like -13 +110 since the spread isn't going to factor in anyways. But if you want the lowest line possible, then -11 -115 is good enough.
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Quote Originally Posted by Dynasty08:
Would you hit hard -11 -115 ?Its available for me atm
Me? I'd rather lay something like -13 +110 since the spread isn't going to factor in anyways. But if you want the lowest line possible, then -11 -115 is good enough.
The following few questions were posted in the "Riding with the Road Teams on Championship Sunday" thread, which I don't want to bump so I'll answer them here.
From SharpCheddar:
Bator, is this your first time betting on the Pat's this season? I know you have faded them and made money so far
I bet on them just once and lost when I laid -21.5 with them against Miami. 28-0 lead at halftime, 28-7 final. Darn. I'm 4-3 going against them, 4-1 since the Eagles game on November 25th (the loser was Jacksonville +9 at halftime).
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The following few questions were posted in the "Riding with the Road Teams on Championship Sunday" thread, which I don't want to bump so I'll answer them here.
From SharpCheddar:
Bator, is this your first time betting on the Pat's this season? I know you have faded them and made money so far
I bet on them just once and lost when I laid -21.5 with them against Miami. 28-0 lead at halftime, 28-7 final. Darn. I'm 4-3 going against them, 4-1 since the Eagles game on November 25th (the loser was Jacksonville +9 at halftime).
MrBator, why are you so sure about NE covering the spread in the superbowl? You were on this same NYG team on week 17 to beat NE. If I remember correctly you bet on the moneyline. What change since week 17? Yes, it was a regular season, in NY, where oddsmaker thought NYG wouldn't come out to play...but since week 17, NYG have been playing a LOT better. They have won 10 straight road games. Eli hasn't thrown a pick since that one on week 17 and he looks more like his brother now. While NE is still the same team since week 17 and still being overprice. They barely beat their opponents and most of them were still in the game in the 4th quarter in their home field.
And Molsen quickly answered with:
i think you just answered your own question. the majority are thinking exactly what you wrote.
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This was great from that thread:
THAmanRP wrote:
MrBator, why are you so sure about NE covering the spread in the superbowl? You were on this same NYG team on week 17 to beat NE. If I remember correctly you bet on the moneyline. What change since week 17? Yes, it was a regular season, in NY, where oddsmaker thought NYG wouldn't come out to play...but since week 17, NYG have been playing a LOT better. They have won 10 straight road games. Eli hasn't thrown a pick since that one on week 17 and he looks more like his brother now. While NE is still the same team since week 17 and still being overprice. They barely beat their opponents and most of them were still in the game in the 4th quarter in their home field.
And Molsen quickly answered with:
i think you just answered your own question. the majority are thinking exactly what you wrote.
MrBator, what number are you targeting for taking the Pats as I see this spread fluctuating both ways over the next 2 weeks?
I normally treat each half point like it's made of solid gold, but in this case, I see the Patriots definetely winning by more than the opening spread of 14 points. I'm going to lay a good amount of my total wager (probably most of it, really) on prices like -14 +135, -13 +110, things like that. Why lay -110 when I don't think the game will fall less than 14?
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CappersGuide wrote:
MrBator, what number are you targeting for taking the Pats as I see this spread fluctuating both ways over the next 2 weeks?
I normally treat each half point like it's made of solid gold, but in this case, I see the Patriots definetely winning by more than the opening spread of 14 points. I'm going to lay a good amount of my total wager (probably most of it, really) on prices like -14 +135, -13 +110, things like that. Why lay -110 when I don't think the game will fall less than 14?
Not sure why you are so confident NE will cover like they are ungodly and cannot be beaten.
No, they can't be beaten. What makes them so great is not just what they did to teams on their best days, but how they found ways to win games on their worst days. Even on days they didn't seem to have it, they could kick it up a notch in the 4th quarter and pull out a win. Now imagine that kind of urgency for all four quarters. That's what I expect on Sunday. How are the Giants going to compete when this Patriots team is going all-out from the start?
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Onemanshow wrote:
Not sure why you are so confident NE will cover like they are ungodly and cannot be beaten.
No, they can't be beaten. What makes them so great is not just what they did to teams on their best days, but how they found ways to win games on their worst days. Even on days they didn't seem to have it, they could kick it up a notch in the 4th quarter and pull out a win. Now imagine that kind of urgency for all four quarters. That's what I expect on Sunday. How are the Giants going to compete when this Patriots team is going all-out from the start?
Not sure why you are so confident NE will cover like they are ungodly and cannot be beaten.
No, they can't be beaten. What makes them so great is not just what they did to teams on their best days, but how they found ways to win games on their worst days. Even on days they didn't seem to have it, they could kick it up a notch in the 4th quarter and pull out a win. Now imagine that kind of urgency for all four quarters. That's what I expect on Sunday. How are the Giants going to compete when this Patriots team is going all-out from the start?
Totally agree bro,this will be the Patriots of the first 8 weeks were going too see imo.
by the way whats your score prediction?
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Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:
Onemanshow wrote:
Not sure why you are so confident NE will cover like they are ungodly and cannot be beaten.
No, they can't be beaten. What makes them so great is not just what they did to teams on their best days, but how they found ways to win games on their worst days. Even on days they didn't seem to have it, they could kick it up a notch in the 4th quarter and pull out a win. Now imagine that kind of urgency for all four quarters. That's what I expect on Sunday. How are the Giants going to compete when this Patriots team is going all-out from the start?
Totally agree bro,this will be the Patriots of the first 8 weeks were going too see imo.
One question for you. By the way, I completely agree with your analysis but have this problem that bugs me when I go to sleep.
Historically, Patriots' 3 superbowl wins have not been by wide margins. Patriots 32 Panthers 29 Patriots 24 Eagles 21 Patriots 20 Rams 17. I understand that this is a completely different team and one that the NFL has never seen before. But the fact that they have the same coach in all 3 of those super bowl wins, doesn't that show you that Belichick likes to sit on leads and is content with it? He seems to coach the big game the same way all three times, conservative and more conservative. His game plan seems to be content with lets say a 10 pt lead.
Does the historical game plan of their coach in super bowls worry you with a 12 pt spread? Especially since Patriots defense is not that great?
Thanks, and see you in the nba forum.
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Bator,
One question for you. By the way, I completely agree with your analysis but have this problem that bugs me when I go to sleep.
Historically, Patriots' 3 superbowl wins have not been by wide margins. Patriots 32 Panthers 29 Patriots 24 Eagles 21 Patriots 20 Rams 17. I understand that this is a completely different team and one that the NFL has never seen before. But the fact that they have the same coach in all 3 of those super bowl wins, doesn't that show you that Belichick likes to sit on leads and is content with it? He seems to coach the big game the same way all three times, conservative and more conservative. His game plan seems to be content with lets say a 10 pt lead.
Does the historical game plan of their coach in super bowls worry you with a 12 pt spread? Especially since Patriots defense is not that great?
How many units would you be playing if not for the Super Bowl experience from last year ? 75 ?
Good question. I'd say this opportunity would still be worthy of a huge bet, and for me, I think that would be 50, although if I keep watching ESPN's First and 10 in the morning........maybe 60.
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Quote Originally Posted by tsw:
Bator,
How many units would you be playing if not for the Super Bowl experience from last year ? 75 ?
Good question. I'd say this opportunity would still be worthy of a huge bet, and for me, I think that would be 50, although if I keep watching ESPN's First and 10 in the morning........maybe 60.
Bator I love the Pats as well ( I have all season and in the playoffs and I got killed ATS lol) but if a miracle happens and they don't cover this spread all the haters that aren't around right now because they are too scared to make a pick before the game, are gonna come out of the woodwork and you are gonna get slammed. I'm sure you don't give a shit as I know you've heard it before from the little weiners on here that won't make picks and hide behind computer screens but just a heads up. BOL this week, I LOVE the Pats as well! Although judging by the first 2 weeks that might be a bad thing, GL and you are an asset to the board thanks for posting your thoughts even though you don't have too
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Bator I love the Pats as well ( I have all season and in the playoffs and I got killed ATS lol) but if a miracle happens and they don't cover this spread all the haters that aren't around right now because they are too scared to make a pick before the game, are gonna come out of the woodwork and you are gonna get slammed. I'm sure you don't give a shit as I know you've heard it before from the little weiners on here that won't make picks and hide behind computer screens but just a heads up. BOL this week, I LOVE the Pats as well! Although judging by the first 2 weeks that might be a bad thing, GL and you are an asset to the board thanks for posting your thoughts even though you don't have too
Just wondering, last year you rode Jeff Garcia and Philly at the end of the season. I remember you suggested a number of Philly-dog lines and was happy to follow you to victory. My impression was that you had the NFL figured out by the end of the season and capitalized. Curious, did you finish this season in the same fashion. I didn't see nearly the number of picks offered by you this year as last year (which is cool, I did fine regardless), but I just thought I'd check in cause I was curious.
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Mr. Bator -
Just wondering, last year you rode Jeff Garcia and Philly at the end of the season. I remember you suggested a number of Philly-dog lines and was happy to follow you to victory. My impression was that you had the NFL figured out by the end of the season and capitalized. Curious, did you finish this season in the same fashion. I didn't see nearly the number of picks offered by you this year as last year (which is cool, I did fine regardless), but I just thought I'd check in cause I was curious.
For you bridge jumpers out there (guys that bet 10 grand to show on monster favorites to make 5%) you can get the Patriost +7.5 (-1400) for a 7% pick up.
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For you bridge jumpers out there (guys that bet 10 grand to show on monster favorites to make 5%) you can get the Patriost +7.5 (-1400) for a 7% pick up.
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