Do you like Washington +7 this week? Looks like the easiest play on the board. Jax always sucks after playing Indy (1-7 ATS last 8). Washington has actually been playing good football lately only losing to Dallas by 3 and Tampa by 1. Grossman also looked decent last week.
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Andy and Glyde,
Do you like Washington +7 this week? Looks like the easiest play on the board. Jax always sucks after playing Indy (1-7 ATS last 8). Washington has actually been playing good football lately only losing to Dallas by 3 and Tampa by 1. Grossman also looked decent last week.
Do you like Washington +7 this week? Looks like the easiest play on the board. Jax always sucks after playing Indy (1-7 ATS last 8). Washington has actually been playing good football lately only losing to Dallas by 3 and Tampa by 1. Grossman also looked decent last week.
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[Quote: Originally Posted by BigShotBill]
Andy and Glyde,
Do you like Washington +7 this week? Looks like the easiest play on the board. Jax always sucks after playing Indy (1-7 ATS last 8). Washington has actually been playing good football lately only losing to Dallas by 3 and Tampa by 1. Grossman also looked decent last week.
Wow, just wrote a mini novel on the SF game and lost it. Take 2(shortened version)......
Just locked up SF ML +120.
I may be nuts(or just not have a good gauge on the NFL this year), but I still believe the San Francisco 49ers are the best team in the NFC West, and would represent their division best in the 2010 playoffs. I don't know the shenanigans involved for them to weasel into a playoff spot(and a home game), but I do know that this game right here is the first and most important game to getting there. Coach Singletary is a complete handjob of a coach, but he does do one thing well which is motivate his players, and I truly do believe he has this team frothing at the mouth for this one. This fits perfectly into why I like this team to begin with which the play in the trenches. Looking back over St Louis' last few games, they haven't stopped anyone running the ball. KC, New Orleans, Arizona, Denver, Atlanta, all ran all over them. On the other side, SF has been semi respectable stopping the run. They haven't been stuffing it like the Steelers, but teams have had a lot of attempts to get to or around the century mark. Alex Smith has been back a couple of weeks and while he isn't Joe Montana, he is fairly efficient moving the offense and I think his arm will set up a lot of 2nd and 3s and 2nd and 4s which SF will bludegon the Rams on the ground and pick up lots of 1st downs.
I also locked up the Bengals +7.5. I don't think the line will get any better and I feel confident with them catching over a TD. As Mac said(and some Bengals players), the focus of the offense went to the run game after TO went down and just like 2009 when they were one of the better teams in the league, they looked mighty good last week against the Browns. I expect a cold, grimy game with the warm weather Chargers possibly walking into a buzzsaw. Honestly, I hope SD finds a way to win it late because I love to see the noise they can make in the playoffs.
Also played a "degenerate" teaser for some early week action. Pitt -8.5 and Dallas -.5. DD is just too fucking much to lay unless it is the most perfect of spots, and I think the dreaded backdoor has a lot less of a chance to occur on 8 than 14+. Pitt quietly has been going through some offensive woes, and what better place to oil up the machine than a Week 16 pre-postseason tune up against a team with an offense so bad it should give Pittsburgh plenty of opportunities to work with short fields. Although I wished the Dallas team plane to crash and instantly kill the entire organization after blowing that 27-7 lead to Washington last week, I am going back to them. They noticeably let their foot off the gas pedal last week, and when they build the early lead this week, I don't see it happening again.
I'm eyeing down a couple more games and will be back later in the week.......really could use a break. Been getting hammered from all angles(S Miss last night is another example of losing a game I thought I capped well), and just need a little light at the end of the tunnel before rolling into the playoffs. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it is staggering what is going on. It's at the point where I feel a bit embarrassed even posting my plays. I've been dropping picks on here for over 5 years and always at a really solid % from NFL to bowl games to occasional NBA or MLB plays. Clogging up a nice thread and going 50% on the season isn't helping anyone.
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Wow, just wrote a mini novel on the SF game and lost it. Take 2(shortened version)......
Just locked up SF ML +120.
I may be nuts(or just not have a good gauge on the NFL this year), but I still believe the San Francisco 49ers are the best team in the NFC West, and would represent their division best in the 2010 playoffs. I don't know the shenanigans involved for them to weasel into a playoff spot(and a home game), but I do know that this game right here is the first and most important game to getting there. Coach Singletary is a complete handjob of a coach, but he does do one thing well which is motivate his players, and I truly do believe he has this team frothing at the mouth for this one. This fits perfectly into why I like this team to begin with which the play in the trenches. Looking back over St Louis' last few games, they haven't stopped anyone running the ball. KC, New Orleans, Arizona, Denver, Atlanta, all ran all over them. On the other side, SF has been semi respectable stopping the run. They haven't been stuffing it like the Steelers, but teams have had a lot of attempts to get to or around the century mark. Alex Smith has been back a couple of weeks and while he isn't Joe Montana, he is fairly efficient moving the offense and I think his arm will set up a lot of 2nd and 3s and 2nd and 4s which SF will bludegon the Rams on the ground and pick up lots of 1st downs.
I also locked up the Bengals +7.5. I don't think the line will get any better and I feel confident with them catching over a TD. As Mac said(and some Bengals players), the focus of the offense went to the run game after TO went down and just like 2009 when they were one of the better teams in the league, they looked mighty good last week against the Browns. I expect a cold, grimy game with the warm weather Chargers possibly walking into a buzzsaw. Honestly, I hope SD finds a way to win it late because I love to see the noise they can make in the playoffs.
Also played a "degenerate" teaser for some early week action. Pitt -8.5 and Dallas -.5. DD is just too fucking much to lay unless it is the most perfect of spots, and I think the dreaded backdoor has a lot less of a chance to occur on 8 than 14+. Pitt quietly has been going through some offensive woes, and what better place to oil up the machine than a Week 16 pre-postseason tune up against a team with an offense so bad it should give Pittsburgh plenty of opportunities to work with short fields. Although I wished the Dallas team plane to crash and instantly kill the entire organization after blowing that 27-7 lead to Washington last week, I am going back to them. They noticeably let their foot off the gas pedal last week, and when they build the early lead this week, I don't see it happening again.
I'm eyeing down a couple more games and will be back later in the week.......really could use a break. Been getting hammered from all angles(S Miss last night is another example of losing a game I thought I capped well), and just need a little light at the end of the tunnel before rolling into the playoffs. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it is staggering what is going on. It's at the point where I feel a bit embarrassed even posting my plays. I've been dropping picks on here for over 5 years and always at a really solid % from NFL to bowl games to occasional NBA or MLB plays. Clogging up a nice thread and going 50% on the season isn't helping anyone.
Wow, just wrote a mini novel on the SF game and lost it. Take 2(shortened version)......
Just locked up SF ML +120.
I may be nuts(or just not have a good gauge on the NFL this year), but I still believe the San Francisco 49ers are the best team in the NFC West, and would represent their division best in the 2010 playoffs. I don't know the shenanigans involved for them to weasel into a playoff spot(and a home game), but I do know that this game right here is the first and most important game to getting there. Coach Singletary is a complete handjob of a coach, but he does do one thing well which is motivate his players, and I truly do believe he has this team frothing at the mouth for this one. This fits perfectly into why I like this team to begin with which the play in the trenches. Looking back over St Louis' last few games, they haven't stopped anyone running the ball. KC, New Orleans, Arizona, Denver, Atlanta, all ran all over them. On the other side, SF has been semi respectable stopping the run. They haven't been stuffing it like the Steelers, but teams have had a lot of attempts to get to or around the century mark. Alex Smith has been back a couple of weeks and while he isn't Joe Montana, he is fairly efficient moving the offense and I think his arm will set up a lot of 2nd and 3s and 2nd and 4s which SF will bludegon the Rams on the ground and pick up lots of 1st downs.
I also locked up the Bengals +7.5. I don't think the line will get any better and I feel confident with them catching over a TD. As Mac said(and some Bengals players), the focus of the offense went to the run game after TO went down and just like 2009 when they were one of the better teams in the league, they looked mighty good last week against the Browns. I expect a cold, grimy game with the warm weather Chargers possibly walking into a buzzsaw. Honestly, I hope SD finds a way to win it late because I love to see the noise they can make in the playoffs.
Also played a "degenerate" teaser for some early week action. Pitt -8.5 and Dallas -.5. DD is just too fucking much to lay unless it is the most perfect of spots, and I think the dreaded backdoor has a lot less of a chance to occur on 8 than 14+. Pitt quietly has been going through some offensive woes, and what better place to oil up the machine than a Week 16 pre-postseason tune up against a team with an offense so bad it should give Pittsburgh plenty of opportunities to work with short fields. Although I wished the Dallas team plane to crash and instantly kill the entire organization after blowing that 27-7 lead to Washington last week, I am going back to them. They noticeably let their foot off the gas pedal last week, and when they build the early lead this week, I don't see it happening again.
I'm eyeing down a couple more games and will be back later in the week.......really could use a break. Been getting hammered from all angles(S Miss last night is another example of losing a game I thought I capped well), and just need a little light at the end of the tunnel before rolling into the playoffs. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it is staggering what is going on. It's at the point where I feel a bit embarrassed even posting my plays. I've been dropping picks on here for over 5 years and always at a really solid % from NFL to bowl games to occasional NBA or MLB plays. Clogging up a nice thread and going 50% on the season isn't helping anyone.
Multiple books had +9 last night for Cinci.
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Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:
Wow, just wrote a mini novel on the SF game and lost it. Take 2(shortened version)......
Just locked up SF ML +120.
I may be nuts(or just not have a good gauge on the NFL this year), but I still believe the San Francisco 49ers are the best team in the NFC West, and would represent their division best in the 2010 playoffs. I don't know the shenanigans involved for them to weasel into a playoff spot(and a home game), but I do know that this game right here is the first and most important game to getting there. Coach Singletary is a complete handjob of a coach, but he does do one thing well which is motivate his players, and I truly do believe he has this team frothing at the mouth for this one. This fits perfectly into why I like this team to begin with which the play in the trenches. Looking back over St Louis' last few games, they haven't stopped anyone running the ball. KC, New Orleans, Arizona, Denver, Atlanta, all ran all over them. On the other side, SF has been semi respectable stopping the run. They haven't been stuffing it like the Steelers, but teams have had a lot of attempts to get to or around the century mark. Alex Smith has been back a couple of weeks and while he isn't Joe Montana, he is fairly efficient moving the offense and I think his arm will set up a lot of 2nd and 3s and 2nd and 4s which SF will bludegon the Rams on the ground and pick up lots of 1st downs.
I also locked up the Bengals +7.5. I don't think the line will get any better and I feel confident with them catching over a TD. As Mac said(and some Bengals players), the focus of the offense went to the run game after TO went down and just like 2009 when they were one of the better teams in the league, they looked mighty good last week against the Browns. I expect a cold, grimy game with the warm weather Chargers possibly walking into a buzzsaw. Honestly, I hope SD finds a way to win it late because I love to see the noise they can make in the playoffs.
Also played a "degenerate" teaser for some early week action. Pitt -8.5 and Dallas -.5. DD is just too fucking much to lay unless it is the most perfect of spots, and I think the dreaded backdoor has a lot less of a chance to occur on 8 than 14+. Pitt quietly has been going through some offensive woes, and what better place to oil up the machine than a Week 16 pre-postseason tune up against a team with an offense so bad it should give Pittsburgh plenty of opportunities to work with short fields. Although I wished the Dallas team plane to crash and instantly kill the entire organization after blowing that 27-7 lead to Washington last week, I am going back to them. They noticeably let their foot off the gas pedal last week, and when they build the early lead this week, I don't see it happening again.
I'm eyeing down a couple more games and will be back later in the week.......really could use a break. Been getting hammered from all angles(S Miss last night is another example of losing a game I thought I capped well), and just need a little light at the end of the tunnel before rolling into the playoffs. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it is staggering what is going on. It's at the point where I feel a bit embarrassed even posting my plays. I've been dropping picks on here for over 5 years and always at a really solid % from NFL to bowl games to occasional NBA or MLB plays. Clogging up a nice thread and going 50% on the season isn't helping anyone.
I wouldn't read to much into this stat. Teams run more often after they get leads and pass more often when they fall behind.
Against Browns last week Bengals led 10-7 at half and 16-7 after 3 quarters therefore they ran more often "because" of their lead.
You can find this excellent info in FO almanac.......................
Bengals in 2009......... ran the ball 47% of plays
in the 1st half ran the ball 45% of plays
in the 2cd half when behind ran the ball "only" 33% of plays
in the 2cd half when ahead ran the ball "a whopping" 68% of plays
this pattern fits every single team in the league.
That is a fair point and I will agree 100% that teams run the ball more when up and less when down as they tend to pass.
But if you look at the game logs from when the Bengals got down by just a score in games this year you will see on the next drive the majority of their plays were pass plays. They got away from the run almost right away after they got down. Last week they did not do that, they got down early but stuck with the run game almost all game.
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:
I wouldn't read to much into this stat. Teams run more often after they get leads and pass more often when they fall behind.
Against Browns last week Bengals led 10-7 at half and 16-7 after 3 quarters therefore they ran more often "because" of their lead.
You can find this excellent info in FO almanac.......................
Bengals in 2009......... ran the ball 47% of plays
in the 1st half ran the ball 45% of plays
in the 2cd half when behind ran the ball "only" 33% of plays
in the 2cd half when ahead ran the ball "a whopping" 68% of plays
this pattern fits every single team in the league.
That is a fair point and I will agree 100% that teams run the ball more when up and less when down as they tend to pass.
But if you look at the game logs from when the Bengals got down by just a score in games this year you will see on the next drive the majority of their plays were pass plays. They got away from the run almost right away after they got down. Last week they did not do that, they got down early but stuck with the run game almost all game.
Do you like Washington +7 this week? Looks like the easiest play on the board. Jax always sucks after playing Indy (1-7 ATS last 8). Washington has actually been playing good football lately only losing to Dallas by 3 and Tampa by 1. Grossman also looked decent last week.
I can't speak for Glyde but I will be betting Washington this week for sure.
Jacksonville has been a disgrace when they are favored in the game after playing the Colts. Since the AFC South was born in 2002 here is how Jacksonville has performed as a favorite after playing the Colts:
September 2003: -2.5 over Houston and they lose outright 24-20
October 2004: -2.5 over San Diego and they get thrashed 34-21
December 2005: -16 over San Fran and they squeak out a 1 point win, 10-9.
October 2006: -2.5 over Washington and they lose outright 36-30.
December 2007: -11 over Carolina and they get the lone cover as the whip the Panthers 37-6
September 2008: -6.5 over a Houston team running on fumes after Hurricane Ike hit Houston, they win but don't cover in a 30-27 win.
September 2009: -3 over Arizona, they are non-competitive and lose 31-17.
So since the AFC South was formed the Jags have covered 1 time in 7 tries as a favorite after playing the Colts. What's even more surprising to me is that in those bed shittings as favorites only 1 time were they coming off a SU win against the Colts, the rest of them they were coming off losses which is a spot you would think that they would rebound.
Last week had to be a crushing loss for the Jags. It was the one year in forever that the Colts actually looked human and the possibility was there for the Jags to win the division. They actually controlled their own destiny but they just couldn't get it done and now have to rely on the Colts losing. That's tough, to blow a golden opportunity against a weakened and banged up giant. I expect another letdown from the Jags this week after playing the Colts.
I bet against Washington last week thinking they would pack it in and that is not what happened. These guys battled back from a big deficit on the road against a team that had been playing well. That has to be a big confidence boost and something to build on for this week. I love road underdogs in their second road game in a row after covering but not winning their road game the week before. Psychologically they get a big confidence boost from the close call and then carry that forward to the next week looking to finish the job.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigShotBill:
Andy and Glyde,
Do you like Washington +7 this week? Looks like the easiest play on the board. Jax always sucks after playing Indy (1-7 ATS last 8). Washington has actually been playing good football lately only losing to Dallas by 3 and Tampa by 1. Grossman also looked decent last week.
I can't speak for Glyde but I will be betting Washington this week for sure.
Jacksonville has been a disgrace when they are favored in the game after playing the Colts. Since the AFC South was born in 2002 here is how Jacksonville has performed as a favorite after playing the Colts:
September 2003: -2.5 over Houston and they lose outright 24-20
October 2004: -2.5 over San Diego and they get thrashed 34-21
December 2005: -16 over San Fran and they squeak out a 1 point win, 10-9.
October 2006: -2.5 over Washington and they lose outright 36-30.
December 2007: -11 over Carolina and they get the lone cover as the whip the Panthers 37-6
September 2008: -6.5 over a Houston team running on fumes after Hurricane Ike hit Houston, they win but don't cover in a 30-27 win.
September 2009: -3 over Arizona, they are non-competitive and lose 31-17.
So since the AFC South was formed the Jags have covered 1 time in 7 tries as a favorite after playing the Colts. What's even more surprising to me is that in those bed shittings as favorites only 1 time were they coming off a SU win against the Colts, the rest of them they were coming off losses which is a spot you would think that they would rebound.
Last week had to be a crushing loss for the Jags. It was the one year in forever that the Colts actually looked human and the possibility was there for the Jags to win the division. They actually controlled their own destiny but they just couldn't get it done and now have to rely on the Colts losing. That's tough, to blow a golden opportunity against a weakened and banged up giant. I expect another letdown from the Jags this week after playing the Colts.
I bet against Washington last week thinking they would pack it in and that is not what happened. These guys battled back from a big deficit on the road against a team that had been playing well. That has to be a big confidence boost and something to build on for this week. I love road underdogs in their second road game in a row after covering but not winning their road game the week before. Psychologically they get a big confidence boost from the close call and then carry that forward to the next week looking to finish the job.
Wow, just wrote a mini novel on the SF game and lost it. Take 2(shortened version)......
Just locked up SF ML +120.
I may be nuts(or just not have a good gauge on the NFL this year), but I still believe the San Francisco 49ers are the best team in the NFC West, and would represent their division best in the 2010 playoffs. I don't know the shenanigans involved for them to weasel into a playoff spot(and a home game), but I do know that this game right here is the first and most important game to getting there. Coach Singletary is a complete handjob of a coach, but he does do one thing well which is motivate his players, and I truly do believe he has this team frothing at the mouth for this one. This fits perfectly into why I like this team to begin with which the play in the trenches. Looking back over St Louis' last few games, they haven't stopped anyone running the ball. KC, New Orleans, Arizona, Denver, Atlanta, all ran all over them. On the other side, SF has been semi respectable stopping the run. They haven't been stuffing it like the Steelers, but teams have had a lot of attempts to get to or around the century mark. Alex Smith has been back a couple of weeks and while he isn't Joe Montana, he is fairly efficient moving the offense and I think his arm will set up a lot of 2nd and 3s and 2nd and 4s which SF will bludegon the Rams on the ground and pick up lots of 1st downs.
I also locked up the Bengals +7.5. I don't think the line will get any better and I feel confident with them catching over a TD. As Mac said(and some Bengals players), the focus of the offense went to the run game after TO went down and just like 2009 when they were one of the better teams in the league, they looked mighty good last week against the Browns. I expect a cold, grimy game with the warm weather Chargers possibly walking into a buzzsaw. Honestly, I hope SD finds a way to win it late because I love to see the noise they can make in the playoffs.
Also played a "degenerate" teaser for some early week action. Pitt -8.5 and Dallas -.5. DD is just too fucking much to lay unless it is the most perfect of spots, and I think the dreaded backdoor has a lot less of a chance to occur on 8 than 14+. Pitt quietly has been going through some offensive woes, and what better place to oil up the machine than a Week 16 pre-postseason tune up against a team with an offense so bad it should give Pittsburgh plenty of opportunities to work with short fields. Although I wished the Dallas team plane to crash and instantly kill the entire organization after blowing that 27-7 lead to Washington last week, I am going back to them. They noticeably let their foot off the gas pedal last week, and when they build the early lead this week, I don't see it happening again.
I'm eyeing down a couple more games and will be back later in the week.......really could use a break. Been getting hammered from all angles(S Miss last night is another example of losing a game I thought I capped well), and just need a little light at the end of the tunnel before rolling into the playoffs. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it is staggering what is going on. It's at the point where I feel a bit embarrassed even posting my plays. I've been dropping picks on here for over 5 years and always at a really solid % from NFL to bowl games to occasional NBA or MLB plays. Clogging up a nice thread and going 50% on the season isn't helping anyone.
Looks like we're going h2h this week buddy as I took St. Louis -2.
You make some real good points about the matchup in this one and I would agree that the battle in the trenches does favor the Niners. I can't disagree with the Rams getting gashed lately either. I just think the Rams show up with a big time effort. They were awful last week, just putrid. Losing a tough, hard fought game is one thing but not showing up is another. Maybe they thought Cassel was going to be out and they could cruise to an easy win last week, I don't know, but they were real bad. They couldn't tackle, couldn't run, committed 9 penalties and the offensive line played horribly. Whenever I see quotes from a losing home team after the game like "embarrassing" and "I feel sorry for the fans", I know that the team feels they gave a disgraceful effort and will be looking to redeem themselves the following week. The great news is they get another home game to show up with a good effort.
The Rams know they can beat the Niners. They lost in OT in SF earlier this year and they were able to play their game as they won the time of possession by almost 5 minutes. St. Louis controls their own destiny and I look for them to come out and grab the bull by the horns and get it done. These two teams have been polar opposites all season, the Rams almost always playing above expectations while the Niners have almost always played below expectations. Singletary is clueless, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't know his team still has an outside shot at the playoffs. I read an article earlier in the week where the other had Singletary's two most often used quotes after a loss: "We'll have to look at the tape" and "We shot ourselves in the foot". His shtick has worn off. San Francisco used to be the team that played hard and above expectations. Although the Rams were horrible last week did anyone see that run by Ron Bartell to chase down Jamaal Charles? That is playing hard. I don't think anyone on the Niners would have committed to running Charles down, they would have quit on the play.
I'm with ya there on the Bengals. Cold and grimy would indeed be sweet. Throw in some wind and those Cali boys will be looking to get the W and get the hell outta there.
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Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:
Wow, just wrote a mini novel on the SF game and lost it. Take 2(shortened version)......
Just locked up SF ML +120.
I may be nuts(or just not have a good gauge on the NFL this year), but I still believe the San Francisco 49ers are the best team in the NFC West, and would represent their division best in the 2010 playoffs. I don't know the shenanigans involved for them to weasel into a playoff spot(and a home game), but I do know that this game right here is the first and most important game to getting there. Coach Singletary is a complete handjob of a coach, but he does do one thing well which is motivate his players, and I truly do believe he has this team frothing at the mouth for this one. This fits perfectly into why I like this team to begin with which the play in the trenches. Looking back over St Louis' last few games, they haven't stopped anyone running the ball. KC, New Orleans, Arizona, Denver, Atlanta, all ran all over them. On the other side, SF has been semi respectable stopping the run. They haven't been stuffing it like the Steelers, but teams have had a lot of attempts to get to or around the century mark. Alex Smith has been back a couple of weeks and while he isn't Joe Montana, he is fairly efficient moving the offense and I think his arm will set up a lot of 2nd and 3s and 2nd and 4s which SF will bludegon the Rams on the ground and pick up lots of 1st downs.
I also locked up the Bengals +7.5. I don't think the line will get any better and I feel confident with them catching over a TD. As Mac said(and some Bengals players), the focus of the offense went to the run game after TO went down and just like 2009 when they were one of the better teams in the league, they looked mighty good last week against the Browns. I expect a cold, grimy game with the warm weather Chargers possibly walking into a buzzsaw. Honestly, I hope SD finds a way to win it late because I love to see the noise they can make in the playoffs.
Also played a "degenerate" teaser for some early week action. Pitt -8.5 and Dallas -.5. DD is just too fucking much to lay unless it is the most perfect of spots, and I think the dreaded backdoor has a lot less of a chance to occur on 8 than 14+. Pitt quietly has been going through some offensive woes, and what better place to oil up the machine than a Week 16 pre-postseason tune up against a team with an offense so bad it should give Pittsburgh plenty of opportunities to work with short fields. Although I wished the Dallas team plane to crash and instantly kill the entire organization after blowing that 27-7 lead to Washington last week, I am going back to them. They noticeably let their foot off the gas pedal last week, and when they build the early lead this week, I don't see it happening again.
I'm eyeing down a couple more games and will be back later in the week.......really could use a break. Been getting hammered from all angles(S Miss last night is another example of losing a game I thought I capped well), and just need a little light at the end of the tunnel before rolling into the playoffs. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it is staggering what is going on. It's at the point where I feel a bit embarrassed even posting my plays. I've been dropping picks on here for over 5 years and always at a really solid % from NFL to bowl games to occasional NBA or MLB plays. Clogging up a nice thread and going 50% on the season isn't helping anyone.
Looks like we're going h2h this week buddy as I took St. Louis -2.
You make some real good points about the matchup in this one and I would agree that the battle in the trenches does favor the Niners. I can't disagree with the Rams getting gashed lately either. I just think the Rams show up with a big time effort. They were awful last week, just putrid. Losing a tough, hard fought game is one thing but not showing up is another. Maybe they thought Cassel was going to be out and they could cruise to an easy win last week, I don't know, but they were real bad. They couldn't tackle, couldn't run, committed 9 penalties and the offensive line played horribly. Whenever I see quotes from a losing home team after the game like "embarrassing" and "I feel sorry for the fans", I know that the team feels they gave a disgraceful effort and will be looking to redeem themselves the following week. The great news is they get another home game to show up with a good effort.
The Rams know they can beat the Niners. They lost in OT in SF earlier this year and they were able to play their game as they won the time of possession by almost 5 minutes. St. Louis controls their own destiny and I look for them to come out and grab the bull by the horns and get it done. These two teams have been polar opposites all season, the Rams almost always playing above expectations while the Niners have almost always played below expectations. Singletary is clueless, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't know his team still has an outside shot at the playoffs. I read an article earlier in the week where the other had Singletary's two most often used quotes after a loss: "We'll have to look at the tape" and "We shot ourselves in the foot". His shtick has worn off. San Francisco used to be the team that played hard and above expectations. Although the Rams were horrible last week did anyone see that run by Ron Bartell to chase down Jamaal Charles? That is playing hard. I don't think anyone on the Niners would have committed to running Charles down, they would have quit on the play.
I'm with ya there on the Bengals. Cold and grimy would indeed be sweet. Throw in some wind and those Cali boys will be looking to get the W and get the hell outta there.
Going to stick with my 3 game teasers which I had some sucess with so far and my straight bets record is just awful.
3TM 10PTFootballTeaser [102] PIT STEELERS -4½-110 (B+10) [103] DAL COWBOYS +3-105 (B+10) [115] NE PATRIOTS o34-110 (B+10)
Something inside me is telling me to stay away from this Steelers game but the degenerate in me needs the action on TNF. At first glance I was going to take the Panthers +24.5 but then I looked back at their past games and realized that when the Panthers lose, they lose in horrible, embarrassing fashion. Still the Steelers are no where near as good as they and the NFL pretend they are. Their offense is stale and they struggle to post points and the defense can be gashed (although I doubt the Panthers defense will gash them). Hopefully the Steelers rebound from that heartbreaking loss to the Jets and use this national televised game as a statement game to the league and just go out and bury them.
Can't see the Cowboys losing on national TV on XMas to the Cardinals.
Love this over under at 34. NE will probably score that themselves and I can see the Bills putting some points up on NE defense again as well.
I also locked up the Falcons again -2.5. Going to ride Matty Ice all the way this season.
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Going to stick with my 3 game teasers which I had some sucess with so far and my straight bets record is just awful.
3TM 10PTFootballTeaser [102] PIT STEELERS -4½-110 (B+10) [103] DAL COWBOYS +3-105 (B+10) [115] NE PATRIOTS o34-110 (B+10)
Something inside me is telling me to stay away from this Steelers game but the degenerate in me needs the action on TNF. At first glance I was going to take the Panthers +24.5 but then I looked back at their past games and realized that when the Panthers lose, they lose in horrible, embarrassing fashion. Still the Steelers are no where near as good as they and the NFL pretend they are. Their offense is stale and they struggle to post points and the defense can be gashed (although I doubt the Panthers defense will gash them). Hopefully the Steelers rebound from that heartbreaking loss to the Jets and use this national televised game as a statement game to the league and just go out and bury them.
Can't see the Cowboys losing on national TV on XMas to the Cardinals.
Love this over under at 34. NE will probably score that themselves and I can see the Bills putting some points up on NE defense again as well.
I also locked up the Falcons again -2.5. Going to ride Matty Ice all the way this season.
I can't speak for Glyde but I will be betting Washington this week for sure.
Jacksonville has been a disgrace when they are favored in the game after playing the Colts. Since the AFC South was born in 2002 here is how Jacksonville has performed as a favorite after playing the Colts:
September 2003: -2.5 over Houston and they lose outright 24-20
October 2004: -2.5 over San Diego and they get thrashed 34-21
December 2005: -16 over San Fran and they squeak out a 1 point win, 10-9.
October 2006: -2.5 over Washington and they lose outright 36-30.
December 2007: -11 over Carolina and they get the lone cover as the whip the Panthers 37-6
September 2008: -6.5 over a Houston team running on fumes after Hurricane Ike hit Houston, they win but don't cover in a 30-27 win.
September 2009: -3 over Arizona, they are non-competitive and lose 31-17.
So since the AFC South was formed the Jags have covered 1 time in 7 tries as a favorite after playing the Colts. What's even more surprising to me is that in those bed shittings as favorites only 1 time were they coming off a SU win against the Colts, the rest of them they were coming off losses which is a spot you would think that they would rebound.
Last week had to be a crushing loss for the Jags. It was the one year in forever that the Colts actually looked human and the possibility was there for the Jags to win the division. They actually controlled their own destiny but they just couldn't get it done and now have to rely on the Colts losing. That's tough, to blow a golden opportunity against a weakened and banged up giant. I expect another letdown from the Jags this week after playing the Colts.
I bet against Washington last week thinking they would pack it in and that is not what happened. These guys battled back from a big deficit on the road against a team that had been playing well. That has to be a big confidence boost and something to build on for this week. I love road underdogs in their second road game in a row after covering but not winning their road game the week before. Psychologically they get a big confidence boost from the close call and then carry that forward to the next week looking to finish the job.
Awesome write-up. That just swayed me to Washington. Washington +7. Even though I think this has a shot to float higher by gametime, I just hit it now. Don't want to spend my 4 day weekend hitting refresh on my computer during the holidays.
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Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:
I can't speak for Glyde but I will be betting Washington this week for sure.
Jacksonville has been a disgrace when they are favored in the game after playing the Colts. Since the AFC South was born in 2002 here is how Jacksonville has performed as a favorite after playing the Colts:
September 2003: -2.5 over Houston and they lose outright 24-20
October 2004: -2.5 over San Diego and they get thrashed 34-21
December 2005: -16 over San Fran and they squeak out a 1 point win, 10-9.
October 2006: -2.5 over Washington and they lose outright 36-30.
December 2007: -11 over Carolina and they get the lone cover as the whip the Panthers 37-6
September 2008: -6.5 over a Houston team running on fumes after Hurricane Ike hit Houston, they win but don't cover in a 30-27 win.
September 2009: -3 over Arizona, they are non-competitive and lose 31-17.
So since the AFC South was formed the Jags have covered 1 time in 7 tries as a favorite after playing the Colts. What's even more surprising to me is that in those bed shittings as favorites only 1 time were they coming off a SU win against the Colts, the rest of them they were coming off losses which is a spot you would think that they would rebound.
Last week had to be a crushing loss for the Jags. It was the one year in forever that the Colts actually looked human and the possibility was there for the Jags to win the division. They actually controlled their own destiny but they just couldn't get it done and now have to rely on the Colts losing. That's tough, to blow a golden opportunity against a weakened and banged up giant. I expect another letdown from the Jags this week after playing the Colts.
I bet against Washington last week thinking they would pack it in and that is not what happened. These guys battled back from a big deficit on the road against a team that had been playing well. That has to be a big confidence boost and something to build on for this week. I love road underdogs in their second road game in a row after covering but not winning their road game the week before. Psychologically they get a big confidence boost from the close call and then carry that forward to the next week looking to finish the job.
Awesome write-up. That just swayed me to Washington. Washington +7. Even though I think this has a shot to float higher by gametime, I just hit it now. Don't want to spend my 4 day weekend hitting refresh on my computer during the holidays.
Going to stick with my 3 game teasers which I had some sucess with so far and my straight bets record is just awful.
3TM 10PTFootballTeaser [102] PIT STEELERS -4½-110 (B+10) [103] DAL COWBOYS +3-105 (B+10) [115] NE PATRIOTS o34-110 (B+10)
Something inside me is telling me to stay away from this Steelers game but the degenerate in me needs the action on TNF. At first glance I was going to take the Panthers +24.5 but then I looked back at their past games and realized that when the Panthers lose, they lose in horrible, embarrassing fashion. Still the Steelers are no where near as good as they and the NFL pretend they are. Their offense is stale and they struggle to post points and the defense can be gashed (although I doubt the Panthers defense will gash them). Hopefully the Steelers rebound from that heartbreaking loss to the Jets and use this national televised game as a statement game to the league and just go out and bury them.
Can't see the Cowboys losing on national TV on XMas to the Cardinals.
Love this over under at 34. NE will probably score that themselves and I can see the Bills putting some points up on NE defense again as well.
I also locked up the Falcons again -2.5. Going to ride Matty Ice all the way this season.
GL Remy.
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Quote Originally Posted by REMYREVERE:
Going to stick with my 3 game teasers which I had some sucess with so far and my straight bets record is just awful.
3TM 10PTFootballTeaser [102] PIT STEELERS -4½-110 (B+10) [103] DAL COWBOYS +3-105 (B+10) [115] NE PATRIOTS o34-110 (B+10)
Something inside me is telling me to stay away from this Steelers game but the degenerate in me needs the action on TNF. At first glance I was going to take the Panthers +24.5 but then I looked back at their past games and realized that when the Panthers lose, they lose in horrible, embarrassing fashion. Still the Steelers are no where near as good as they and the NFL pretend they are. Their offense is stale and they struggle to post points and the defense can be gashed (although I doubt the Panthers defense will gash them). Hopefully the Steelers rebound from that heartbreaking loss to the Jets and use this national televised game as a statement game to the league and just go out and bury them.
Can't see the Cowboys losing on national TV on XMas to the Cardinals.
Love this over under at 34. NE will probably score that themselves and I can see the Bills putting some points up on NE defense again as well.
I also locked up the Falcons again -2.5. Going to ride Matty Ice all the way this season.
I think Washington pulls this one out also, but I will not lay a single dime on Rex Grossman. I don't care how well he played last week. Dallas D didn't even show up to play in the 2nd half, sorry motherfuckers. Skins can keep this within 7, but they can also lay down and take an ass whooping. I wish you guys the BOL, but no play for me.
This weeks games don't really have too much I like. Some of these lines have me going back and forth, back and forth, and when this happens I usually don't play them. I want to play the Falcons, but I think this is a huge spot for NO. I also want to play the Chargers because I'm not sold on the Bengals at all, but Mac's writeup was just that good so I can't play that one either.
What I did lock-up was a degenerate teaser
7.0 – Point Teaser
1 Carolina at Pittsburgh Pittsburgh - 8.0Teaser Open
2 New England at Buffalo New England - 2.0Teaser Open
3 Navy v San Diego St (Over/Under)Under + 66.5Teaser Open
I also hit the Bears -1. I think Sancheeze is going to have a long day against the Bears D, and I stick to my guns that he's a bum. I just hope Cutler doesn't get pick happy this game.
That will probably be it for me this week. Going to focus on the Bowl games more as I've been doing very well so far with them. GL guys. Great stuff as usual Mac and Glyde
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I think Washington pulls this one out also, but I will not lay a single dime on Rex Grossman. I don't care how well he played last week. Dallas D didn't even show up to play in the 2nd half, sorry motherfuckers. Skins can keep this within 7, but they can also lay down and take an ass whooping. I wish you guys the BOL, but no play for me.
This weeks games don't really have too much I like. Some of these lines have me going back and forth, back and forth, and when this happens I usually don't play them. I want to play the Falcons, but I think this is a huge spot for NO. I also want to play the Chargers because I'm not sold on the Bengals at all, but Mac's writeup was just that good so I can't play that one either.
What I did lock-up was a degenerate teaser
7.0 – Point Teaser
1 Carolina at Pittsburgh Pittsburgh - 8.0Teaser Open
2 New England at Buffalo New England - 2.0Teaser Open
3 Navy v San Diego St (Over/Under)Under + 66.5Teaser Open
I also hit the Bears -1. I think Sancheeze is going to have a long day against the Bears D, and I stick to my guns that he's a bum. I just hope Cutler doesn't get pick happy this game.
That will probably be it for me this week. Going to focus on the Bowl games more as I've been doing very well so far with them. GL guys. Great stuff as usual Mac and Glyde
Haven't we learned anything from the Bungholes yet ? The statistical disparities between these two teams is like comparing an Anchor Steam to a Bud Light. Not just obvious things, but little things like YPP per down, 3rd and <2 conversion %, # of plays of >10 yds., % of neg. ydg. plays, blah, blah, blah.
There's certainly more than a few dogs to chase this weekend, but these cynical, undercoached, overrated quitters aren't one of them.
This is the NFL dude, you gotta wise up. Also, its gonna be fuckin cold in Cincy
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Quote Originally Posted by Getty3:
Haven't we learned anything from the Bungholes yet ? The statistical disparities between these two teams is like comparing an Anchor Steam to a Bud Light. Not just obvious things, but little things like YPP per down, 3rd and <2 conversion %, # of plays of >10 yds., % of neg. ydg. plays, blah, blah, blah.
There's certainly more than a few dogs to chase this weekend, but these cynical, undercoached, overrated quitters aren't one of them.
This is the NFL dude, you gotta wise up. Also, its gonna be fuckin cold in Cincy
So I was reading tuttleberry's thread about bouncing back after a 10 point ATS loss and another ATS loss. So it got me thinking, how do teams perform after they have lost two straight ATS by at least 10 points? Losing two straight by at least 10 points SU is one thing but actually failing miserably by 10 points ATS b2b is tough to do and you usually get a massively inflated spread (or cheap if a fav) for that 3rd game.
Now thinking that you are usually going to still be paying a bit if a premium for favorites in these situations because they are expected to "bounce back", I got thinking again, what are teams in these spots that look so awful that they must be the play? The answer was road underdogs, even better big ones (i.e double digits). Why? because you likely have a home team that has just watched those big road dogs get beat up twice in a row and they get complacent thinking they have an easy win. You also have that big road dog that still has professionals and will be looking to somewhat redeem themselves in that 3rd game after two big failures. The big road dog also usually means that the team got blown out the previous two games. One more parameter I used was after the bye week (basically second half of the year) when big dogs tend to cover more, likely due to the fact that by this point in the year teams are beat up and big favs are just looking to get out with a win and not play at a level needed to cover double digits spreads.
I went back and looked at this year and the previous 5 full seasons before that to find out how double digit road dogs have fared after losing their previous two games by at least 10 points ATS if they have already had their bye week. Here are the results:
December 2006: The 5-8 San Francisco 49ers are +10 at the 8-5 Seattle Seahawks. Not only do the Niners cover but they win outright 24-14.
November 2007: The 4-5 Chiefs ravaged by injuries and starting backup QB Brodie Croyle roll into Indy to face the 7-2 Colts who are 14.5 point favs. Not only do the Chiefs cover with ease but they only lose 13-10 on a last second Indy field goal.
October 2008: The 1-4 Seattle Seahawks starting backup QB Seneca Wallace fly all the way to Tampa Bay to battle the 4-2 Bucs on SNF. It wasn't pretty but as 10.5 dogs the Seahawks managed to cover losing 20-10.
October 2008: The 1-5 Kansas City Chiefs catching +14 head to New York the battle the 3-3 overhyped Jets. The Cheifs once again go with their backup QB, this time it is Tyler Thigpen making his first career NFL start. The Chiefs lose the game 28-24 on a Jets TD pass with exactly one minute to go. But they cover easily.
December 2009: This is the only bad game when the Seahawks traveled to Green Bay as +13.5 dogs and got crushed 48-10.
November 2010: The 1-7 Dallas Cowboys head to New York to battle the first place Giants as +11.5 dogs (opened +14). Not only do the Boys cover but they win outright 33-20.
December 2010: The Oakland Raiders as +13 dogs limp into San Diego to take on the Chargers who looked unbeatable coming off some impressive wins. Well the Chargers did not give a shit and lost 28-13.
So there you have it, those putrid looking, shitty, double digit underdogs have gone 6-1 ATS and 3-4 SU in this situation the past 5+ years. Not only is the 3-4 SU impressive you also have to consider two of those losses were when teams blew leads with a minute to go!
My theory is 1. We get severe line inflation based off putrid showings by the underdogs the last two weeks. 2. The underdog shows a bit of pride after embarrassing themselves the last two games. 3. The favorite thinks they have an easy win so they hit the snooze button.
All of those factors are in play with Minnesota/Philly. The Vikings are double digit road dogs after losing two straight by at least 10 points ATS including an embarrassing loss last game at home on national TV. And we have a huge favorite that will more than likely take them lightly. The Eagles are coming off two wild high scoring road wins over division opponents including that epic comeback in New York. No doubt they are a bit tired and "fat and happy" this week. They know they are going to beat the Vikings, they just came back from 31-10 down in the 4th quarter on the road @ the Giants for god sakes! I have a strong feeling the Eagles mail this one in and come in complacent thinking that even if it is close late that their savour, Micheal Vick, will pull something out. After all these are the sad sack Vikings, right?
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Minnesota +14.5
So I was reading tuttleberry's thread about bouncing back after a 10 point ATS loss and another ATS loss. So it got me thinking, how do teams perform after they have lost two straight ATS by at least 10 points? Losing two straight by at least 10 points SU is one thing but actually failing miserably by 10 points ATS b2b is tough to do and you usually get a massively inflated spread (or cheap if a fav) for that 3rd game.
Now thinking that you are usually going to still be paying a bit if a premium for favorites in these situations because they are expected to "bounce back", I got thinking again, what are teams in these spots that look so awful that they must be the play? The answer was road underdogs, even better big ones (i.e double digits). Why? because you likely have a home team that has just watched those big road dogs get beat up twice in a row and they get complacent thinking they have an easy win. You also have that big road dog that still has professionals and will be looking to somewhat redeem themselves in that 3rd game after two big failures. The big road dog also usually means that the team got blown out the previous two games. One more parameter I used was after the bye week (basically second half of the year) when big dogs tend to cover more, likely due to the fact that by this point in the year teams are beat up and big favs are just looking to get out with a win and not play at a level needed to cover double digits spreads.
I went back and looked at this year and the previous 5 full seasons before that to find out how double digit road dogs have fared after losing their previous two games by at least 10 points ATS if they have already had their bye week. Here are the results:
December 2006: The 5-8 San Francisco 49ers are +10 at the 8-5 Seattle Seahawks. Not only do the Niners cover but they win outright 24-14.
November 2007: The 4-5 Chiefs ravaged by injuries and starting backup QB Brodie Croyle roll into Indy to face the 7-2 Colts who are 14.5 point favs. Not only do the Chiefs cover with ease but they only lose 13-10 on a last second Indy field goal.
October 2008: The 1-4 Seattle Seahawks starting backup QB Seneca Wallace fly all the way to Tampa Bay to battle the 4-2 Bucs on SNF. It wasn't pretty but as 10.5 dogs the Seahawks managed to cover losing 20-10.
October 2008: The 1-5 Kansas City Chiefs catching +14 head to New York the battle the 3-3 overhyped Jets. The Cheifs once again go with their backup QB, this time it is Tyler Thigpen making his first career NFL start. The Chiefs lose the game 28-24 on a Jets TD pass with exactly one minute to go. But they cover easily.
December 2009: This is the only bad game when the Seahawks traveled to Green Bay as +13.5 dogs and got crushed 48-10.
November 2010: The 1-7 Dallas Cowboys head to New York to battle the first place Giants as +11.5 dogs (opened +14). Not only do the Boys cover but they win outright 33-20.
December 2010: The Oakland Raiders as +13 dogs limp into San Diego to take on the Chargers who looked unbeatable coming off some impressive wins. Well the Chargers did not give a shit and lost 28-13.
So there you have it, those putrid looking, shitty, double digit underdogs have gone 6-1 ATS and 3-4 SU in this situation the past 5+ years. Not only is the 3-4 SU impressive you also have to consider two of those losses were when teams blew leads with a minute to go!
My theory is 1. We get severe line inflation based off putrid showings by the underdogs the last two weeks. 2. The underdog shows a bit of pride after embarrassing themselves the last two games. 3. The favorite thinks they have an easy win so they hit the snooze button.
All of those factors are in play with Minnesota/Philly. The Vikings are double digit road dogs after losing two straight by at least 10 points ATS including an embarrassing loss last game at home on national TV. And we have a huge favorite that will more than likely take them lightly. The Eagles are coming off two wild high scoring road wins over division opponents including that epic comeback in New York. No doubt they are a bit tired and "fat and happy" this week. They know they are going to beat the Vikings, they just came back from 31-10 down in the 4th quarter on the road @ the Giants for god sakes! I have a strong feeling the Eagles mail this one in and come in complacent thinking that even if it is close late that their savour, Micheal Vick, will pull something out. After all these are the sad sack Vikings, right?
Watching the miracle in New Meadowland I saw a superior Giants team crushing the Eagles for 53 minutes of football. Then get lazy and overconfident and take some of the pressure off and play it a bit soft and before you know it the Eagles upset them. Heartbreaking yes but I don't think it is a devastating as the media is making it out to be. The Giants know they can essentially lock up a playoff spot with a win in Green Bay. This truly is a MUST win for them and while this is a big game for GB as well I think the GMen are the better team. Rogers is back but he has suffered two concussions this season. Giants have a very good pash rush and they will hit Rogers often and hard. They put some seriously hard licks in on Vick who is prison hard apparently and can't be stopped. Head injuries are tricky. I doesn't take much to reaggitate a concussion and I wonder if Rogers will be thinking the same thing while Tuck and company are bearing down on him. The NY media keeps writing that the Giants have put the loss behind them and are moving on. Eli calls a team only meeting which is something he very rarely does. They have a great practice week so far. They seem to be mad and embarrassed and hungry to get a W and put this debacle behind them. Shaun O'Hara quote "We came in on Monday and we were mad and angry and we were upset and that is the way it should be. I knew that once everybody had a chance to take care of themselves on Monday and Tuesday, I knew we would be ready to work." I think we can expect 60 minutes of hard nose football from the Giants and I think in this case the better team comes out on top.
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Locked up Giants +3 and Giants ML +135
Watching the miracle in New Meadowland I saw a superior Giants team crushing the Eagles for 53 minutes of football. Then get lazy and overconfident and take some of the pressure off and play it a bit soft and before you know it the Eagles upset them. Heartbreaking yes but I don't think it is a devastating as the media is making it out to be. The Giants know they can essentially lock up a playoff spot with a win in Green Bay. This truly is a MUST win for them and while this is a big game for GB as well I think the GMen are the better team. Rogers is back but he has suffered two concussions this season. Giants have a very good pash rush and they will hit Rogers often and hard. They put some seriously hard licks in on Vick who is prison hard apparently and can't be stopped. Head injuries are tricky. I doesn't take much to reaggitate a concussion and I wonder if Rogers will be thinking the same thing while Tuck and company are bearing down on him. The NY media keeps writing that the Giants have put the loss behind them and are moving on. Eli calls a team only meeting which is something he very rarely does. They have a great practice week so far. They seem to be mad and embarrassed and hungry to get a W and put this debacle behind them. Shaun O'Hara quote "We came in on Monday and we were mad and angry and we were upset and that is the way it should be. I knew that once everybody had a chance to take care of themselves on Monday and Tuesday, I knew we would be ready to work." I think we can expect 60 minutes of hard nose football from the Giants and I think in this case the better team comes out on top.
Nice hit boys on the front end of those teasers you got going there.
Card:
Washington +7 & ML +280
St. Louis -2
Minnesota +14.5
Cincinnati +8(-115) - Liked this one less and less through the week but not enough not to fire.
Seattle +6 & ML +230 Green Bay -3
Few points: The Rams propensity for choking and blowing leads this year is a concern but I feel the pathetic effort last week, a chance to grab the bull by the horns in the division, and this being the early national game on FOX where the Rams get to prove themselves to the majority of the nation who will be seeing them for the first time, all converge and allow the Rams to seize the moment and "arrive".
Seattle is not good but they have played uber shit the last two weeks. I expect a very solid effort out of them. Tampa Bay blew a massive opportunity last week with both teams they were chasing in the wildcard race losing. It should have been an opportunity to get right into the thick of the race but instead they lost at home to the Lions. This is analogous to situations when teams drop a sure interception or TD in a game, it seems like those mistakes always come back to burn them. You absolutely need to make the most of your opportunities. Tampa Bay didn't do that last week and now they will get burned.
Remy makes some real solid points about the Giants and if this was anyone other than Green Bay I may be on the Giants as well. Maybe last week is getting to me and I know the Patriots didn't play their best but boy that was impressive what the Packers did against New England. This team has a hell of a lot of character. They have about 15 guys on IR and 10 who have started and week after week they plug in guys who we've never heard of who contribute They are quietly becoming the Patriots of the NFC in that regard.
I know the parallels to the 06-07 Giants are easy to make but I think much like that Giants team the Packers got a massive shot of confidence from last weeks game and it may act as a springboard to a big run in the postseason kind of like those 06-07 Giants had. I've been digging around this week looking at stats/trends/experience etc, etc of Super Bowl Champions from the past 25 years or so and almost all of those teams fit certain criteria (I'll post a thread before the playoffs). Right now the Packers are the only NFC team that fits all the criteria so I think if they get into the playoffs they can be dangerous. To get in they are going to have to win the next two games. Once they do that they will be a wildcard and will have to win 3 straight road games to reach the Super Bowl. My plan of attack here is long term: this week bet GB -3+100 and then roll that over plus the initial amount wagered on the Packers the next 4 games on the ML until the Super Bowl (if they get there obviously). Worst case scenario and most likely is I lose a unit, best case is I pick up 35-40. Worth a stab IMO.
One other thing regarding the game this week, I talked myself out of the Giants last week because of Eli's turnover woes. While he did play well he also committed another turnover. That is now just 3 times in 14 games he has played turnover free and the Giants have coughed it up a league high 35 times. If the Giants turn it over here they are going to have to at least turn Green Bay back over once (which is hard is do as they don't cough it up much) or they are going down as the Packers are 6-0 SU & ATS this year when winning the turnover battle and are 22-4 ATS since Aaron Rodgers became the starter when they have won the turnover battle. This is not a spot turnover machine Eli wants to cough it.
GL this week and Merry Christmas to all the degenerates out there.
If I can find time to sneak on a computer before the games on Sunday I will try to get down on Denver and maybe Chicago.
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Nice hit boys on the front end of those teasers you got going there.
Card:
Washington +7 & ML +280
St. Louis -2
Minnesota +14.5
Cincinnati +8(-115) - Liked this one less and less through the week but not enough not to fire.
Seattle +6 & ML +230 Green Bay -3
Few points: The Rams propensity for choking and blowing leads this year is a concern but I feel the pathetic effort last week, a chance to grab the bull by the horns in the division, and this being the early national game on FOX where the Rams get to prove themselves to the majority of the nation who will be seeing them for the first time, all converge and allow the Rams to seize the moment and "arrive".
Seattle is not good but they have played uber shit the last two weeks. I expect a very solid effort out of them. Tampa Bay blew a massive opportunity last week with both teams they were chasing in the wildcard race losing. It should have been an opportunity to get right into the thick of the race but instead they lost at home to the Lions. This is analogous to situations when teams drop a sure interception or TD in a game, it seems like those mistakes always come back to burn them. You absolutely need to make the most of your opportunities. Tampa Bay didn't do that last week and now they will get burned.
Remy makes some real solid points about the Giants and if this was anyone other than Green Bay I may be on the Giants as well. Maybe last week is getting to me and I know the Patriots didn't play their best but boy that was impressive what the Packers did against New England. This team has a hell of a lot of character. They have about 15 guys on IR and 10 who have started and week after week they plug in guys who we've never heard of who contribute They are quietly becoming the Patriots of the NFC in that regard.
I know the parallels to the 06-07 Giants are easy to make but I think much like that Giants team the Packers got a massive shot of confidence from last weeks game and it may act as a springboard to a big run in the postseason kind of like those 06-07 Giants had. I've been digging around this week looking at stats/trends/experience etc, etc of Super Bowl Champions from the past 25 years or so and almost all of those teams fit certain criteria (I'll post a thread before the playoffs). Right now the Packers are the only NFC team that fits all the criteria so I think if they get into the playoffs they can be dangerous. To get in they are going to have to win the next two games. Once they do that they will be a wildcard and will have to win 3 straight road games to reach the Super Bowl. My plan of attack here is long term: this week bet GB -3+100 and then roll that over plus the initial amount wagered on the Packers the next 4 games on the ML until the Super Bowl (if they get there obviously). Worst case scenario and most likely is I lose a unit, best case is I pick up 35-40. Worth a stab IMO.
One other thing regarding the game this week, I talked myself out of the Giants last week because of Eli's turnover woes. While he did play well he also committed another turnover. That is now just 3 times in 14 games he has played turnover free and the Giants have coughed it up a league high 35 times. If the Giants turn it over here they are going to have to at least turn Green Bay back over once (which is hard is do as they don't cough it up much) or they are going down as the Packers are 6-0 SU & ATS this year when winning the turnover battle and are 22-4 ATS since Aaron Rodgers became the starter when they have won the turnover battle. This is not a spot turnover machine Eli wants to cough it.
GL this week and Merry Christmas to all the degenerates out there.
If I can find time to sneak on a computer before the games on Sunday I will try to get down on Denver and maybe Chicago.
Favorites of -5.5 or more are now 17-2 ATS on Thursdays (including Thanksgiving) since the NFL Network started airing Thursday games in 2006.
This is a trend that just keeps on giving.
I'm not sure why anyone would even consider a big dog on a Thursday game. Time to file this one away for next year and see if the oddsmakers finally catch on or if this money train keeps rolling along.
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Hey how about Pittsburgh's easy win tonight?
Favorites of -5.5 or more are now 17-2 ATS on Thursdays (including Thanksgiving) since the NFL Network started airing Thursday games in 2006.
This is a trend that just keeps on giving.
I'm not sure why anyone would even consider a big dog on a Thursday game. Time to file this one away for next year and see if the oddsmakers finally catch on or if this money train keeps rolling along.
Favorites of -5.5 or more are now 17-2 ATS on Thursdays (including Thanksgiving) since the NFL Network started airing Thursday games in 2006.
This is a trend that just keeps on giving.
I'm not sure why anyone would even consider a big dog on a Thursday game. Time to file this one away for next year and see if the oddsmakers finally catch on or if this money train keeps rolling along.
Good call man
Money in the bank for you
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Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:
Hey how about Pittsburgh's easy win tonight?
Favorites of -5.5 or more are now 17-2 ATS on Thursdays (including Thanksgiving) since the NFL Network started airing Thursday games in 2006.
This is a trend that just keeps on giving.
I'm not sure why anyone would even consider a big dog on a Thursday game. Time to file this one away for next year and see if the oddsmakers finally catch on or if this money train keeps rolling along.
Wow, just wrote a mini novel on the SF game and lost it. Take 2(shortened version)......
Just locked up SF ML +120.
I may be nuts(or just not have a good gauge on the NFL this year), but I still believe the San Francisco 49ers are the best team in the NFC West, and would represent their division best in the 2010 playoffs. I don't know the shenanigans involved for them to weasel into a playoff spot(and a home game), but I do know that this game right here is the first and most important game to getting there. Coach Singletary is a complete handjob of a coach, but he does do one thing well which is motivate his players, and I truly do believe he has this team frothing at the mouth for this one. This fits perfectly into why I like this team to begin with which the play in the trenches. Looking back over St Louis' last few games, they haven't stopped anyone running the ball. KC, New Orleans, Arizona, Denver, Atlanta, all ran all over them. On the other side, SF has been semi respectable stopping the run. They haven't been stuffing it like the Steelers, but teams have had a lot of attempts to get to or around the century mark. Alex Smith has been back a couple of weeks and while he isn't Joe Montana, he is fairly efficient moving the offense and I think his arm will set up a lot of 2nd and 3s and 2nd and 4s which SF will bludegon the Rams on the ground and pick up lots of 1st downs.
I also locked up the Bengals +7.5. I don't think the line will get any better and I feel confident with them catching over a TD. As Mac said(and some Bengals players), the focus of the offense went to the run game after TO went down and just like 2009 when they were one of the better teams in the league, they looked mighty good last week against the Browns. I expect a cold, grimy game with the warm weather Chargers possibly walking into a buzzsaw. Honestly, I hope SD finds a way to win it late because I love to see the noise they can make in the playoffs.
Also played a "degenerate" teaser for some early week action. Pitt -8.5 and Dallas -.5. DD is just too fucking much to lay unless it is the most perfect of spots, and I think the dreaded backdoor has a lot less of a chance to occur on 8 than 14+. Pitt quietly has been going through some offensive woes, and what better place to oil up the machine than a Week 16 pre-postseason tune up against a team with an offense so bad it should give Pittsburgh plenty of opportunities to work with short fields. Although I wished the Dallas team plane to crash and instantly kill the entire organization after blowing that 27-7 lead to Washington last week, I am going back to them. They noticeably let their foot off the gas pedal last week, and when they build the early lead this week, I don't see it happening again.
I'm eyeing down a couple more games and will be back later in the week.......really could use a break. Been getting hammered from all angles(S Miss last night is another example of losing a game I thought I capped well), and just need a little light at the end of the tunnel before rolling into the playoffs. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it is staggering what is going on. It's at the point where I feel a bit embarrassed even posting my plays. I've been dropping picks on here for over 5 years and always at a really solid % from NFL to bowl games to occasional NBA or MLB plays. Clogging up a nice thread and going 50% on the season isn't helping anyone.
First of all, I love this thread; I check it out every week!
According to the trend identified by MrBator here, betting against the Chargers is the play (betting the Bungles +9).
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Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:
Wow, just wrote a mini novel on the SF game and lost it. Take 2(shortened version)......
Just locked up SF ML +120.
I may be nuts(or just not have a good gauge on the NFL this year), but I still believe the San Francisco 49ers are the best team in the NFC West, and would represent their division best in the 2010 playoffs. I don't know the shenanigans involved for them to weasel into a playoff spot(and a home game), but I do know that this game right here is the first and most important game to getting there. Coach Singletary is a complete handjob of a coach, but he does do one thing well which is motivate his players, and I truly do believe he has this team frothing at the mouth for this one. This fits perfectly into why I like this team to begin with which the play in the trenches. Looking back over St Louis' last few games, they haven't stopped anyone running the ball. KC, New Orleans, Arizona, Denver, Atlanta, all ran all over them. On the other side, SF has been semi respectable stopping the run. They haven't been stuffing it like the Steelers, but teams have had a lot of attempts to get to or around the century mark. Alex Smith has been back a couple of weeks and while he isn't Joe Montana, he is fairly efficient moving the offense and I think his arm will set up a lot of 2nd and 3s and 2nd and 4s which SF will bludegon the Rams on the ground and pick up lots of 1st downs.
I also locked up the Bengals +7.5. I don't think the line will get any better and I feel confident with them catching over a TD. As Mac said(and some Bengals players), the focus of the offense went to the run game after TO went down and just like 2009 when they were one of the better teams in the league, they looked mighty good last week against the Browns. I expect a cold, grimy game with the warm weather Chargers possibly walking into a buzzsaw. Honestly, I hope SD finds a way to win it late because I love to see the noise they can make in the playoffs.
Also played a "degenerate" teaser for some early week action. Pitt -8.5 and Dallas -.5. DD is just too fucking much to lay unless it is the most perfect of spots, and I think the dreaded backdoor has a lot less of a chance to occur on 8 than 14+. Pitt quietly has been going through some offensive woes, and what better place to oil up the machine than a Week 16 pre-postseason tune up against a team with an offense so bad it should give Pittsburgh plenty of opportunities to work with short fields. Although I wished the Dallas team plane to crash and instantly kill the entire organization after blowing that 27-7 lead to Washington last week, I am going back to them. They noticeably let their foot off the gas pedal last week, and when they build the early lead this week, I don't see it happening again.
I'm eyeing down a couple more games and will be back later in the week.......really could use a break. Been getting hammered from all angles(S Miss last night is another example of losing a game I thought I capped well), and just need a little light at the end of the tunnel before rolling into the playoffs. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it is staggering what is going on. It's at the point where I feel a bit embarrassed even posting my plays. I've been dropping picks on here for over 5 years and always at a really solid % from NFL to bowl games to occasional NBA or MLB plays. Clogging up a nice thread and going 50% on the season isn't helping anyone.
First of all, I love this thread; I check it out every week!
According to the trend identified by MrBator here, betting against the Chargers is the play (betting the Bungles +9).
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