MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now...
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MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now...
MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now...
I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs.
I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE.
But you have point.
Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much.
But Maye has had a great year.
I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge.
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Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty:
MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now...
I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs.
I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE.
But you have point.
Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much.
Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now... I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs. I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE. But you have point. Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much. But Maye has had a great year. I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge.
Sorry, can't be MVP if you team did not make playoffs. As far as SOS you can't control who you play which is why playoffs should be part of the discussion as impact on who wins it.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now... I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs. I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE. But you have point. Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much. But Maye has had a great year. I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge.
Sorry, can't be MVP if you team did not make playoffs. As far as SOS you can't control who you play which is why playoffs should be part of the discussion as impact on who wins it.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now... I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs. I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE. But you have point. Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much. But Maye has had a great year. I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge. Sorry, can't be MVP if you team did not make playoffs. As far as SOS you can't control who you play which is why playoffs should be part of the discussion as impact on who wins it.
Yeah, I just am not sure about that.
Especially in, say, MLB. But there are years where a position player does not affect a teams wins that much.
But even in NFL you can put up phenomenal numbers at WR, RB, or even, QB, or on defense and the team not make the playoffs.
Plus, would you only count the first round of the playoffs?
What if a team loses in the first round. But another candidate plays 3 more playoff games.and pads their stats even more.
You can be an awesome QB and put up great numbers and not have a defense, etc., etc.
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Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now... I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs. I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE. But you have point. Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much. But Maye has had a great year. I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge. Sorry, can't be MVP if you team did not make playoffs. As far as SOS you can't control who you play which is why playoffs should be part of the discussion as impact on who wins it.
Yeah, I just am not sure about that.
Especially in, say, MLB. But there are years where a position player does not affect a teams wins that much.
But even in NFL you can put up phenomenal numbers at WR, RB, or even, QB, or on defense and the team not make the playoffs.
Plus, would you only count the first round of the playoffs?
What if a team loses in the first round. But another candidate plays 3 more playoff games.and pads their stats even more.
You can be an awesome QB and put up great numbers and not have a defense, etc., etc.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now... I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs. I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE. But you have point. Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much. But Maye has had a great year. I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge. Sorry, can't be MVP if you team did not make playoffs. As far as SOS you can't control who you play which is why playoffs should be part of the discussion as impact on who wins it.
I agree that you cannot control who you play.
But when you play the worst SoS in the league and another candidate puts up better numbers against better opponents -- I think some voters would look at that.
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Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now... I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs. I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE. But you have point. Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much. But Maye has had a great year. I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge. Sorry, can't be MVP if you team did not make playoffs. As far as SOS you can't control who you play which is why playoffs should be part of the discussion as impact on who wins it.
I agree that you cannot control who you play.
But when you play the worst SoS in the league and another candidate puts up better numbers against better opponents -- I think some voters would look at that.
Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but it’s not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now... I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs. I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE. But you have point. Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much. But Maye has had a great year. I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge. Sorry, can't be MVP if you team did not make playoffs. As far as SOS you can't control who you play which is why playoffs should be part of the discussion as impact on who wins it. I agree that you cannot control who you play. But when you play the worst SoS in the league and another candidate puts up better numbers against better opponents -- I think some voters would look at that.
Exactly. If you play the worst schedule and the candidate across from you plays the hardest schedule then you surely absolutely 1000% must have better numbers than him, but Maye doesn’t and that’s a problem.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but it’s not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now... I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs. I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE. But you have point. Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much. But Maye has had a great year. I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge. Sorry, can't be MVP if you team did not make playoffs. As far as SOS you can't control who you play which is why playoffs should be part of the discussion as impact on who wins it. I agree that you cannot control who you play. But when you play the worst SoS in the league and another candidate puts up better numbers against better opponents -- I think some voters would look at that.
Exactly. If you play the worst schedule and the candidate across from you plays the hardest schedule then you surely absolutely 1000% must have better numbers than him, but Maye doesn’t and that’s a problem.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now... I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs. I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE. But you have point. Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much. But Maye has had a great year. I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge. Sorry, can't be MVP if you team did not make playoffs. As far as SOS you can't control who you play which is why playoffs should be part of the discussion as impact on who wins it.
A player doesn’t play defense though nor does he coach. So if I somehow rush for 3k yards and 30 tds but we finish 10-7 and miss the playoffs because my defense gives up 30 a game or a coach who constantly makes poor decisions that contribute to losses, I can’t be mvp?
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Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by smellybunty: MVP is most valuable. That has to do with stats but its not best stats. Rams were already a good team but Maye wins MVP. Personally I think playoff outcomes should be part of MVP but for now... I do not because I have had seen years where I thought the MVP was actually on a team that did not make the playoffs. I am not sure Maye could have put up the numbers on LAR and Stafford could have done what he did in NE. But you have point. Part of it is also that Maye was sort of unexpected and Stafford not so much. But Maye has had a great year. I think SoS should put Stafford over the edge. Sorry, can't be MVP if you team did not make playoffs. As far as SOS you can't control who you play which is why playoffs should be part of the discussion as impact on who wins it.
A player doesn’t play defense though nor does he coach. So if I somehow rush for 3k yards and 30 tds but we finish 10-7 and miss the playoffs because my defense gives up 30 a game or a coach who constantly makes poor decisions that contribute to losses, I can’t be mvp?
The MVP market is so insane and offers an incredible opportunity to make money. You could potentially have both Stafford and Maye at excellent odds right now and you could have gotten them both knowing that it’s been a two horse race for quite some time. During the Falcons game I was able to get +350 which is good, but I’ve heard that as high as +600 was available. I’m currently sitting on Stafford tickets everywhere from -145 to +350.
The market overreaction is so incredible that I’m not even sure how it’s worth it for them to offer these bets. Stafford to the moon baby
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The MVP market is so insane and offers an incredible opportunity to make money. You could potentially have both Stafford and Maye at excellent odds right now and you could have gotten them both knowing that it’s been a two horse race for quite some time. During the Falcons game I was able to get +350 which is good, but I’ve heard that as high as +600 was available. I’m currently sitting on Stafford tickets everywhere from -145 to +350.
The market overreaction is so incredible that I’m not even sure how it’s worth it for them to offer these bets. Stafford to the moon baby
It will most likely be Stafford. The dude deserves it. Amazingly he played an injury free year at his age as well. There has to be something said for his toughness.
Next year I'll put $ on Maye pre flop, as he will surely have a harder sos. And hopefully watch him do the same thing he did this year.
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Good thread.
It will most likely be Stafford. The dude deserves it. Amazingly he played an injury free year at his age as well. There has to be something said for his toughness.
Next year I'll put $ on Maye pre flop, as he will surely have a harder sos. And hopefully watch him do the same thing he did this year.
@Raiders22 The MVP market is so insane and offers an incredible opportunity to make money. You could potentially have both Stafford and Maye at excellent odds right now and you could have gotten them both knowing that it’s been a two horse race for quite some time. During the Falcons game I was able to get +350 which is good, but I’ve heard that as high as +600 was available. I’m currently sitting on Stafford tickets everywhere from -145 to +350. The market overreaction is so incredible that I’m not even sure how it’s worth it for them to offer these bets. Stafford to the moon baby
That is a good point.
I should've had got both at + money.
I just do not play very many futures and am happy with Stafford at + money because he is the only standout candidate that deserves it to me. He and Nix were the only QBs with a PE/Play over .200. Maye did have a better QB rating 113 to 109.
I just felt he was the only clear favorite for a while and why split money up just to guarantee a profit when I felt I had the winner anyway.
Had Jonathan Taylor kept his early pace up he might have been in the running.
A case can always be made for Stafford's partner, Nacua.
Nacua had a PE/Route of .145. The next closest WR was Diggs at .090. He had a receiving rating of 127.6. But others had more TDs.
Garrett is easily the defensive player of the year. But if he had set the sack record in 16 or fewer games, maybe a better case could be made for him. It is just so hard for a defensive player to win, no matter how disruptive he is.
That is why it came down to QBs to me. Only Goff and Prescott early had a chance I think, besides Darnold and Nix that were lifted by their defenses.
So, it was always coming down to Stafford and Maye. Both had excellent years. The thinking is that 'they' 'want' Stafford to get it for his long career and Maye will have other chances. That may not be fair. But I can see how some voters would feel that way.
I also hear that Stafford's agent has been full court pressing on a campaign for Stafford to all the reporters for the last few weeks.
But at the end, I think 4500/45/8 is what did it for him to me.
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Quote Originally Posted by brn2loslive2win:
@Raiders22 The MVP market is so insane and offers an incredible opportunity to make money. You could potentially have both Stafford and Maye at excellent odds right now and you could have gotten them both knowing that it’s been a two horse race for quite some time. During the Falcons game I was able to get +350 which is good, but I’ve heard that as high as +600 was available. I’m currently sitting on Stafford tickets everywhere from -145 to +350. The market overreaction is so incredible that I’m not even sure how it’s worth it for them to offer these bets. Stafford to the moon baby
That is a good point.
I should've had got both at + money.
I just do not play very many futures and am happy with Stafford at + money because he is the only standout candidate that deserves it to me. He and Nix were the only QBs with a PE/Play over .200. Maye did have a better QB rating 113 to 109.
I just felt he was the only clear favorite for a while and why split money up just to guarantee a profit when I felt I had the winner anyway.
Had Jonathan Taylor kept his early pace up he might have been in the running.
A case can always be made for Stafford's partner, Nacua.
Nacua had a PE/Route of .145. The next closest WR was Diggs at .090. He had a receiving rating of 127.6. But others had more TDs.
Garrett is easily the defensive player of the year. But if he had set the sack record in 16 or fewer games, maybe a better case could be made for him. It is just so hard for a defensive player to win, no matter how disruptive he is.
That is why it came down to QBs to me. Only Goff and Prescott early had a chance I think, besides Darnold and Nix that were lifted by their defenses.
So, it was always coming down to Stafford and Maye. Both had excellent years. The thinking is that 'they' 'want' Stafford to get it for his long career and Maye will have other chances. That may not be fair. But I can see how some voters would feel that way.
I also hear that Stafford's agent has been full court pressing on a campaign for Stafford to all the reporters for the last few weeks.
But at the end, I think 4500/45/8 is what did it for him to me.
I’m in the same boat as I have no stock in Maye and believed that Stafford would come out on top regardless. Not sure if you pay attention to that market in-game, but during the Falcons game Stafford was at one point -105 and at another time apparently +600…ALL IN THE 4th QUARTER ALONE!!!
During the week 18 game while the Rams were actually not running away with it and kind of screwing around, Stafford again was up to +350. It wasn’t until he threw the 4th TD pass that he became the favorite again.
Mitch and Paul from VSiN were making the exact same comments as me on their show today. How does a book take action on a market like this? You could realistically be betting both sides of this market at +money for weeks and guaranteeing yourself a profit just knowing how much the market swings after a single interception or touchdown. Don’t get me wrong, they limit these bets so it’s not like you’re getting down huge money on these, but over the course of a few weeks to a month you could certainly have thousands invested. Very interesting way to gamble…
Imo, and I’m probably a little biased because I’m a shareholder, Stafford should win easily. With the numbers he’s had in total vs the sos he has to win it. To go for 457 and 3 tds against the Seattle defense in the second meeting balances out some of the bad performances. And if the voters want to split hairs they have to take into account a week 1 loss vs the Raiders which kept NE from winning the 1 seed.
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@Raiders22
I’m in the same boat as I have no stock in Maye and believed that Stafford would come out on top regardless. Not sure if you pay attention to that market in-game, but during the Falcons game Stafford was at one point -105 and at another time apparently +600…ALL IN THE 4th QUARTER ALONE!!!
During the week 18 game while the Rams were actually not running away with it and kind of screwing around, Stafford again was up to +350. It wasn’t until he threw the 4th TD pass that he became the favorite again.
Mitch and Paul from VSiN were making the exact same comments as me on their show today. How does a book take action on a market like this? You could realistically be betting both sides of this market at +money for weeks and guaranteeing yourself a profit just knowing how much the market swings after a single interception or touchdown. Don’t get me wrong, they limit these bets so it’s not like you’re getting down huge money on these, but over the course of a few weeks to a month you could certainly have thousands invested. Very interesting way to gamble…
Imo, and I’m probably a little biased because I’m a shareholder, Stafford should win easily. With the numbers he’s had in total vs the sos he has to win it. To go for 457 and 3 tds against the Seattle defense in the second meeting balances out some of the bad performances. And if the voters want to split hairs they have to take into account a week 1 loss vs the Raiders which kept NE from winning the 1 seed.
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No, I had no idea they even offered those markets live.
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