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    Let's Be Seriou$......Patriot$

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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2018 - 7:45 PM ET #1

    I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB.

    THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees.

    Patriots 33

    Eagles 13

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB.

    THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees.

    Patriots 33

    Eagles 13

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2018 - 7:48 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER:

    I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB.

    THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees.

    Patriots 33

    Eagles 13


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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER:

    I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB.

    THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees.

    Patriots 33

    Eagles 13


     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2018 - 8:28 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Cooler999:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER: I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB. THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees. Patriots 33 Eagles 13

    You seem to be responding to other Pro- NE posts......probably frustrated from being on the wrong side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooler999:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER: I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB. THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees. Patriots 33 Eagles 13

    You seem to be responding to other Pro- NE posts......probably frustrated from being on the wrong side.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2018 - 10:17 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Cooler999: QUOTE Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER: I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB. THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees. Patriots 33 Eagles 13 You seem to be responding to other Pro- NE posts......probably frustrated from being on the wrong side.

     

    Nice fandicapping.  There may or may not be a bunch of million dollar bets on the Eagles but there is obviously a ton of cash riding on them as indicated by a significant line drop.  Either way, good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Cooler999: QUOTE Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER: I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB. THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees. Patriots 33 Eagles 13 You seem to be responding to other Pro- NE posts......probably frustrated from being on the wrong side.

     

    Nice fandicapping.  There may or may not be a bunch of million dollar bets on the Eagles but there is obviously a ton of cash riding on them as indicated by a significant line drop.  Either way, good luck.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER:

    I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB. THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees. Patriots 33 Eagles 13

    I enjoyed reading your post and agree 110%...clover

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER:

    I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB. THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees. Patriots 33 Eagles 13

    I enjoyed reading your post and agree 110%...clover

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    putting a video togther to show you all the negatives against your patriots team.#1 always is defense wins championships Patriots defense is ranked 29th over all even in playoffs.  Eagles is ranked 4th DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
    Most of the time I agree with what you're saying but in this case I'm going to counter with Brady and Belichick win Super Bowls. Nuff said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    putting a video togther to show you all the negatives against your patriots team.#1 always is defense wins championships Patriots defense is ranked 29th over all even in playoffs.  Eagles is ranked 4th DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
    Most of the time I agree with what you're saying but in this case I'm going to counter with Brady and Belichick win Super Bowls. Nuff said.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    putting a video togther to show you all the negatives against your patriots team.#1 always is defense wins championships Patriots defense is ranked 29th over all even in playoffs.  Eagles is ranked 4th DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

    You do have a case....................BUT NOT AGAINST A DETERMINED BRADY,GRONK, HOGAN, COOKS....and BB.

    I'm going to enjoy this Pats BEATDOWN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    putting a video togther to show you all the negatives against your patriots team.#1 always is defense wins championships Patriots defense is ranked 29th over all even in playoffs.  Eagles is ranked 4th DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

    You do have a case....................BUT NOT AGAINST A DETERMINED BRADY,GRONK, HOGAN, COOKS....and BB.

    I'm going to enjoy this Pats BEATDOWN.

     
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    Same side Allplayer, plus New England  is ranked  4th  in the most important  defensive  stat: points  against ,  not 29th . Everyone  knows  they give up yards  but clamp  down  where it counts  most, in the red zone . 2 units  Pats 
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    Same side Allplayer, plus New England  is ranked  4th  in the most important  defensive  stat: points  against ,  not 29th . Everyone  knows  they give up yards  but clamp  down  where it counts  most, in the red zone . 2 units  Pats 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER:

    I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB.

    THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees.

    Patriots 33

    Eagles 13




    Neutral field...so no merit with Foles being a dud on the road...
    Foles last season blah blah...

    Eagles win the game outright and Foles joins the party of a few qb's who have started less then 3 games to win the SB.. hostedler, williams and someone else.... can't remember...and I'm a NY Giants fan so I hate both teams but its' going to happen....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER:

    I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB.

    THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees.

    Patriots 33

    Eagles 13




    Neutral field...so no merit with Foles being a dud on the road...
    Foles last season blah blah...

    Eagles win the game outright and Foles joins the party of a few qb's who have started less then 3 games to win the SB.. hostedler, williams and someone else.... can't remember...and I'm a NY Giants fan so I hate both teams but its' going to happen....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by midnightrambler:

    Same side Allplayer, plus New England  is ranked  4th  in the most important  defensive  stat: points  against ,  not 29th . Everyone  knows  they give up yards  but clamp  down  where it counts  most, in the red zone . 2 units  Pats

    That's what I'm hoping for regarding red zone. That's why I also think it'll go under and game could be decided by missed and made fgs. I'll bet my life on gostkowski over Elliot. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by midnightrambler:

    Same side Allplayer, plus New England  is ranked  4th  in the most important  defensive  stat: points  against ,  not 29th . Everyone  knows  they give up yards  but clamp  down  where it counts  most, in the red zone . 2 units  Pats

    That's what I'm hoping for regarding red zone. That's why I also think it'll go under and game could be decided by missed and made fgs. I'll bet my life on gostkowski over Elliot. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2018 - 1:03 AM ET #11

    Your predicted score fo NE 33-13 is not even CLOSE.

    You may end up being on the right side as far as them winning....but your love for the Pats keeps you from showing total objectivity.
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    Your predicted score fo NE 33-13 is not even CLOSE.

    You may end up being on the right side as far as them winning....but your love for the Pats keeps you from showing total objectivity.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2018 - 1:12 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:

    Your predicted score fo NE 33-13 is not even CLOSE.You may end up being on the right side as far as them winning....but your love for the Pats keeps you from showing total objectivity.

     

    My objectivity is my zero trust in FoWLes..... Wentz (Yes!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:

    Your predicted score fo NE 33-13 is not even CLOSE.You may end up being on the right side as far as them winning....but your love for the Pats keeps you from showing total objectivity.

     

    My objectivity is my zero trust in FoWLes..... Wentz (Yes!)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER:

    I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB.

    THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees.

    Patriots 33

    Eagles 13



    You could have saved all the drivel and just posted your predicted score and left it at that. You said a whole lot of nothing. I serously doubt you have made "so much" over the years. You're obviously a blind homer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALLPLAYER:

    I've read plenty and have followed articles, stats, and forums. Most importantly, I've seen all the games and plays. If my life depended on making one choice, of course I'd rather go down with Brady than Foles. The Patriots are conditioned for a full 60 minute game. They will beat the Eagles and soundly. The Minnesota/Phi. game was like watching a lower division contest, compared to the Jags and Patriots. Please don't drink the media's Eagles Kool-Aid. There are no million dollar bets on the Eagles by the hour. These are all lies. Vegas knows that the Patriots will win. HOGAN and Cooks will be lights out. The Eagles secondary will be shredded. Foles's last full season, he was 2-6 on the road. He has 29 int's for someone who has only 89 games logged. HE IS NOT A GOOD ROAD QB.

    THANK YOU TB12 for making me a lot of money over the years....I am very grateful to the Patriots, along with Kobe, UFC under dogs, and the 90's Yankees.

    Patriots 33

    Eagles 13



    You could have saved all the drivel and just posted your predicted score and left it at that. You said a whole lot of nothing. I serously doubt you have made "so much" over the years. You're obviously a blind homer.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2018 - 12:05 PM ET #14

    This is going to come down to possessions. The Eagles are going to try and keep Brady off the field.

    Scary stat...Philadelphia is #1 in second half Time of Posession
    They are #1 overall in Time of Possession, NE is #11.

    Philadelphia is #1 in points for the fourth quarter, and NE is 20th in Rushing Defense.

    If you watched any Eagles games you have seen a mix of up tempo offense with the Eagles running the ball play after play. I have seen several drives where the Eagles never threw the ball. 

    The Eagles will not do what they did to Minnesota, they will play a well disciplined ball control type of game, heavy on the run.
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    This is going to come down to possessions. The Eagles are going to try and keep Brady off the field.

    Scary stat...Philadelphia is #1 in second half Time of Posession
    They are #1 overall in Time of Possession, NE is #11.

    Philadelphia is #1 in points for the fourth quarter, and NE is 20th in Rushing Defense.

    If you watched any Eagles games you have seen a mix of up tempo offense with the Eagles running the ball play after play. I have seen several drives where the Eagles never threw the ball. 

    The Eagles will not do what they did to Minnesota, they will play a well disciplined ball control type of game, heavy on the run.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2018 - 4:21 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    putting a video togther to show you all the negatives against your patriots team.

    #1 always is defense wins championships Patriots defense is ranked 29th over all even in playoffs.  Eagles is ranked 4th

    DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.



    Not every team with the best defense has won the SB, so just more flawed info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    putting a video togther to show you all the negatives against your patriots team.

    #1 always is defense wins championships Patriots defense is ranked 29th over all even in playoffs.  Eagles is ranked 4th

    DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.



    Not every team with the best defense has won the SB, so just more flawed info.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2018 - 4:05 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrome:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by zebrakiller: putting a video togther to show you all the negatives against your patriots team.#1 always is defense wins championships Patriots defense is ranked 29th over all even in playoffs.  Eagles is ranked 4th DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. Not every team with the best defense has won the SB, so just more flawed info.

     

    It's true. People keep referring to the NYG beating the Patriots, but Foles is  NOT Eli. Again, the PHI win over Minn is over-valued and NE WILL TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS AND SHUT THEIR CRITICS UP.

    Enjoy the game everyone and see you for March Madness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrome:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by zebrakiller: putting a video togther to show you all the negatives against your patriots team.#1 always is defense wins championships Patriots defense is ranked 29th over all even in playoffs.  Eagles is ranked 4th DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. Not every team with the best defense has won the SB, so just more flawed info.

     

    It's true. People keep referring to the NYG beating the Patriots, but Foles is  NOT Eli. Again, the PHI win over Minn is over-valued and NE WILL TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS AND SHUT THEIR CRITICS UP.

    Enjoy the game everyone and see you for March Madness!

     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2018 - 4:45 PM ET #17

    The PATS pass rush is underrated........They will pressure foles who has struggled on the road throughout his career.

    Brady will get his......And Pats have a big advantage with their coach

     

    Gots to roll with B+B -190   $500

     

     

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    The PATS pass rush is underrated........They will pressure foles who has struggled on the road throughout his career.

    Brady will get his......And Pats have a big advantage with their coach

     

    Gots to roll with B+B -190   $500

     

     

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