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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2023 - 5:23 PM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler:

    interesting, rodgers backing up action jack hmm I could see that.

    Absolutely.  For sure.  Without a doubt.  A future HOF QB with a SB win would definitely want to end his long and illustrious career as a backup on a team that will lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, if they make it that far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler:

    interesting, rodgers backing up action jack hmm I could see that.

    Absolutely.  For sure.  Without a doubt.  A future HOF QB with a SB win would definitely want to end his long and illustrious career as a backup on a team that will lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, if they make it that far.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2023 - 12:10 AM ET #127

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    Re: LeVeon Bell v Jackson. I intended to compare situations (which are very comparable) in respect to Pitt offered him $14.5 Franchise tag $ and he sat out the season went to the Jets didn't get anywhere near the money that Pitt offered him and was never heard from again. Granted a qb is a way different position, especially in todays NFL.

    Is it not possible for Jackson to go to Indy or elsewhere and have the same fate as Bell. Jackson is entering 6th year, coming off 2 lower extremity injuries 2 seasons in a row. I believe the players entering the league are way more capable of slowing him down considering their age and his wear an tear. Example: Cam Newton. Drafted 2011, 2015 MVP by 2019 finished. Lamar takes too many hits just as Cam did and he doesn't weigh 250 lbs like Newton. Time will tell how this works out. I'm from Baltimore originally and I want him to go to Indy (I'm hoping as payback for the Colts moving in 1984 to Indy). The Ravens built the team for him and now $133M guaranteed for 3 years is beneath him. F him. 

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    Re: LeVeon Bell v Jackson. I intended to compare situations (which are very comparable) in respect to Pitt offered him $14.5 Franchise tag $ and he sat out the season went to the Jets didn't get anywhere near the money that Pitt offered him and was never heard from again. Granted a qb is a way different position, especially in todays NFL.

    Is it not possible for Jackson to go to Indy or elsewhere and have the same fate as Bell. Jackson is entering 6th year, coming off 2 lower extremity injuries 2 seasons in a row. I believe the players entering the league are way more capable of slowing him down considering their age and his wear an tear. Example: Cam Newton. Drafted 2011, 2015 MVP by 2019 finished. Lamar takes too many hits just as Cam did and he doesn't weigh 250 lbs like Newton. Time will tell how this works out. I'm from Baltimore originally and I want him to go to Indy (I'm hoping as payback for the Colts moving in 1984 to Indy). The Ravens built the team for him and now $133M guaranteed for 3 years is beneath him. F him. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2023 - 7:22 AM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by bluecompass:

    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler: interesting, rodgers backing up action jack hmm I could see that. Absolutely.  For sure.  Without a doubt.  A future HOF QB with a SB win would definitely want to end his long and illustrious career as a backup on a team that will lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, if they make it that far.
    My guess is JT was being sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecompass:

    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler: interesting, rodgers backing up action jack hmm I could see that. Absolutely.  For sure.  Without a doubt.  A future HOF QB with a SB win would definitely want to end his long and illustrious career as a backup on a team that will lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, if they make it that far.
    My guess is JT was being sarcastic.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2023 - 7:49 AM ET #129

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     I know where you're coming from but Levon Bell imo was justified in asking for some more dough.I don't know the specifics but in the 5 years before he held out he carried the ball 1,229 times AND had 312 receptions.That's pretty much the definition of a work horse.He came back after sitting out and had 245 carries and 66 receptions for the Jets and was washed up after that.I believe the 133 was a fair offer and my guess is that at this point Lamar is just trying to squeeze a few more mill out of the Ravens. Fuck Indypeace_5

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     I know where you're coming from but Levon Bell imo was justified in asking for some more dough.I don't know the specifics but in the 5 years before he held out he carried the ball 1,229 times AND had 312 receptions.That's pretty much the definition of a work horse.He came back after sitting out and had 245 carries and 66 receptions for the Jets and was washed up after that.I believe the 133 was a fair offer and my guess is that at this point Lamar is just trying to squeeze a few more mill out of the Ravens. Fuck Indypeace_5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2023 - 10:39 AM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    Quote Originally Posted by bluecompass: Quote Originally Posted by jtoler: interesting, rodgers backing up action jack hmm I could see that. Absolutely.  For sure.  Without a doubt.  A future HOF QB with a SB win would definitely want to end his long and illustrious career as a backup on a team that will lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, if they make it that far. My guess is JT was being sarcastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    Quote Originally Posted by bluecompass: Quote Originally Posted by jtoler: interesting, rodgers backing up action jack hmm I could see that. Absolutely.  For sure.  Without a doubt.  A future HOF QB with a SB win would definitely want to end his long and illustrious career as a backup on a team that will lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, if they make it that far. My guess is JT was being sarcastic.
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2023 - 3:17 PM ET #131

    I am taking under OBJ Yards every game if Lamar is the QB this season..moneyeyes

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    I am taking under OBJ Yards every game if Lamar is the QB this season..moneyeyes

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2023 - 4:20 PM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:

    I am taking under OBJ Yards every game if Lamar is the QB this season..

    Oh cmon Dave, he gets an extra million if he gets 1,000 yards new_laugh_sweat

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    I am taking under OBJ Yards every game if Lamar is the QB this season..

    Oh cmon Dave, he gets an extra million if he gets 1,000 yards new_laugh_sweat

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2023 - 10:52 AM ET #133

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    You didn't mention the 2 drug suspensions, season ending injury that the Steelers stood by him in all 3 instances and the 5 year 70 million dollar contract that they offered him...32 million guaranteed. The Jets signed him for 50 + and he ripped them off with poor performance and a bad tude. 

    Right L. Bell was so ripped off and abuse...an_baby

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    You didn't mention the 2 drug suspensions, season ending injury that the Steelers stood by him in all 3 instances and the 5 year 70 million dollar contract that they offered him...32 million guaranteed. The Jets signed him for 50 + and he ripped them off with poor performance and a bad tude. 

    Right L. Bell was so ripped off and abuse...an_baby

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2023 - 11:32 AM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobob89074:

    @Biscuiteater1 You didn't mention the 2 drug suspensions, season ending injury that the Steelers stood by him in all 3 instances and the 5 year 70 million dollar contract that they offered him...32 million guaranteed. The Jets signed him for 50 + and he ripped them off with poor performance and a bad tude. Right L. Bell was so ripped off and abuse...
    Easy there Bobo, i never said he was mistreated by Pitt.I said imo his production warranted some more dough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobob89074:

    @Biscuiteater1 You didn't mention the 2 drug suspensions, season ending injury that the Steelers stood by him in all 3 instances and the 5 year 70 million dollar contract that they offered him...32 million guaranteed. The Jets signed him for 50 + and he ripped them off with poor performance and a bad tude. Right L. Bell was so ripped off and abuse...
    Easy there Bobo, i never said he was mistreated by Pitt.I said imo his production warranted some more dough.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2023 - 11:41 AM ET #135

    SI is reporting that LJ has demanded the Ravens sign OBJ and Deondre Hopkins if they want to have any hope of keeping him in BAL.  They already got OBJ. 

    1. Why would Hopkins want to go to BAL?

    2. Can BAL afford Hopkins?

    3. Is Ravens front office tired of LJ and his ridiculous demands yet? Enough to cut ties and move on?

    4. LJ keeps acting like he has all the leverage, but he's too stupid to realize he doesn't.  

    Kind of like watching a train wreck in slow motion. 

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    SI is reporting that LJ has demanded the Ravens sign OBJ and Deondre Hopkins if they want to have any hope of keeping him in BAL.  They already got OBJ. 

    1. Why would Hopkins want to go to BAL?

    2. Can BAL afford Hopkins?

    3. Is Ravens front office tired of LJ and his ridiculous demands yet? Enough to cut ties and move on?

    4. LJ keeps acting like he has all the leverage, but he's too stupid to realize he doesn't.  

    Kind of like watching a train wreck in slow motion. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2023 - 1:00 PM ET #136

    I said the same thing about Kyler but he got paid.. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecompass:

    SI is reporting that LJ has demanded the Ravens sign OBJ and Deondre Hopkins if they want to have any hope of keeping him in BAL.  They already got OBJ.  1. Why would Hopkins want to go to BAL? 2. Can BAL afford Hopkins? 3. Is Ravens front office tired of LJ and his ridiculous demands yet? Enough to cut ties and move on? 4. LJ keeps acting like he has all the leverage, but he's too stupid to realize he doesn't.   Kind of like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

    I think BAL said no we can't afford both but we will go out and get one. Not gonna rule out D-Hop anything can still happen but likely not. BAL may have to give up draft picks for DHop which they don't pass out so easily so I'm thinking DHop won't be a Raven. Hope LJ isn't stupid enough to think he will still get paid a huge contract and acquire those 2 big name recievers at the same time. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecompass:

    SI is reporting that LJ has demanded the Ravens sign OBJ and Deondre Hopkins if they want to have any hope of keeping him in BAL.  They already got OBJ.  1. Why would Hopkins want to go to BAL? 2. Can BAL afford Hopkins? 3. Is Ravens front office tired of LJ and his ridiculous demands yet? Enough to cut ties and move on? 4. LJ keeps acting like he has all the leverage, but he's too stupid to realize he doesn't.   Kind of like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

    I think BAL said no we can't afford both but we will go out and get one. Not gonna rule out D-Hop anything can still happen but likely not. BAL may have to give up draft picks for DHop which they don't pass out so easily so I'm thinking DHop won't be a Raven. Hope LJ isn't stupid enough to think he will still get paid a huge contract and acquire those 2 big name recievers at the same time. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2023 - 4:01 PM ET #138

    Well Jalen Hurts just signed a 5 Year $250 Million with $179 Fully Guaranteed....Lamar is an idiot.....Play well and in a 2-3 years..you get your contract renegotiated/extended rinse and repeat..If you believe in yourself...U should have no problem.......

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    Well Jalen Hurts just signed a 5 Year $250 Million with $179 Fully Guaranteed....Lamar is an idiot.....Play well and in a 2-3 years..you get your contract renegotiated/extended rinse and repeat..If you believe in yourself...U should have no problem.......

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2023 - 4:58 PM ET #139

    lol the lamar trolling has gone overboard it’s not even cute anymore. “Play well and you get your contract”. lol cough mvp cough. We obviously need to implement new protocols. Going forward if the qb you’re referencing hasn’t won an mvp then don’t mention him in the same sentence as Jack it’s disrespectful and disgusting to do so. That means the burrows, allens, hurts, etc… Nobody but mahomes and a few others can sit at the table with Jack.

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    lol the lamar trolling has gone overboard it’s not even cute anymore. “Play well and you get your contract”. lol cough mvp cough. We obviously need to implement new protocols. Going forward if the qb you’re referencing hasn’t won an mvp then don’t mention him in the same sentence as Jack it’s disrespectful and disgusting to do so. That means the burrows, allens, hurts, etc… Nobody but mahomes and a few others can sit at the table with Jack.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecompass:

    4. LJ keeps acting like he has all the leverage, but he's too stupid to realize he doesn't.   Kind of like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

    Not ALL the leverage, just MORE leverage. peace_5

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    4. LJ keeps acting like he has all the leverage, but he's too stupid to realize he doesn't.   Kind of like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

    Not ALL the leverage, just MORE leverage. peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler:

    Going forward if the qb you’re referencing hasn’t won an mvp then don’t mention him in the same sentence as Jack it’s disrespectful and disgusting to do so. That means the burrows, allens, hurts, etc… Nobody but mahomes and a few others can sit at the table with Jack.

    If I'm building a team, I'd take Joey B, Allen, Jalen, Trevor Lawrence, Purdy, Herbert, and several others ahead of LJ at this point in time.  Ooops, guess I violated your rule.  Oh well.  Contracts are based on recent performance and future potential, not just what a guy did during 1 season 4 years ago.  As clearly demonstrated in this thread, LJ has been a mid-tier QB over the last 3 seasons.  Everything points to him continuing to being average to slightly above average, and that's only if he stays healthy, which seems like a coin-flip at best at this point in his career.  There's nothing wrong with being a mid-tier QB, but don't expect to get paid like a top-tier guy when you clearly aren't.

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    Going forward if the qb you’re referencing hasn’t won an mvp then don’t mention him in the same sentence as Jack it’s disrespectful and disgusting to do so. That means the burrows, allens, hurts, etc… Nobody but mahomes and a few others can sit at the table with Jack.

    If I'm building a team, I'd take Joey B, Allen, Jalen, Trevor Lawrence, Purdy, Herbert, and several others ahead of LJ at this point in time.  Ooops, guess I violated your rule.  Oh well.  Contracts are based on recent performance and future potential, not just what a guy did during 1 season 4 years ago.  As clearly demonstrated in this thread, LJ has been a mid-tier QB over the last 3 seasons.  Everything points to him continuing to being average to slightly above average, and that's only if he stays healthy, which seems like a coin-flip at best at this point in his career.  There's nothing wrong with being a mid-tier QB, but don't expect to get paid like a top-tier guy when you clearly aren't.

     
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     The problem with what you say is that you are NOT building a team.  The team is largely built.  For example:

    There are only 4 QBs with a .500 or better record against teams with a winning record.  Mahomes, Garoppolo, Wilson and Jackson.  Rodgers is a distant 5th at .483.

    There are 7 QBs with a winning % above .600.  Mahomes, Garoppolo, Jackson, Allen, Rodgers, Prescott, and Wilson at .627.  Then a big drop-off to Trubisky at .578.

    There are 7 QBs with a higher QB rating than Jackson.  Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, Garoppolo, Cousins, Prescott.  Then Jackson with a rating of 96.  Then a drop to Allen at 92.

    From 2018-2020 he did not miss a game, including the playoffs.  At the end of the last two seasons he got hurt and missed the last couple of games.  Last year was on a sack.  So, whether his style lends itself to injury is very much up for debate.  The speculation can be there even though it is by and large a myth that running QBs are injury prone.  As I pointed out before QBs are generally more hurt while throwing the ball and getting hit and slammed to the ground.  They are more of a stationary target and in a more susceptible position to get hurt with no momentum, etc.  Maybe he could have come back last year and played.  But with no deal in place, or commitment from the team and already injured it might be understandable if not.

    I am not a huge Jackson fan.  But if the Ravens want to win they need to make it work with Jackson.  There are no better QBs that are available, so they would, by definition, be taking a step back if they do not sign him.  They are very viable in the AFC with him and are in no need of rebuilding.  There are certain things the coaching staff needs to work with him to improve, but that their job.

    Playoff wins are very hard to come by simply because you have to get there first.  Just because Tannehill, Goff, and Foles have more playoff wins than Jackson that does not make them better QBs than he is.  

    So, the only QB that is available that is on par or better than Jackson would be Rodgers.  Therefore, Jackson absolutely has more leverage — IF the team wants to win.  Otherwise, they can not sign Jackson and, more or less, rebuild.  But the risk to GM and coaches is elevated if they do not win.  QBs that win and consistently perform like he has done do not come along very often AND none are available now.

    Now you can argue whether he should have hired an agent or whether he could have handled this all better.  Same with the Ravens.

    What you cannot argue is that there are that many QBs that win and perform better than he does.  You may not like his style or lack of improving on his flaws.  But it all comes down to winning and very few do it better than he has.

    They simply need to work this out, it is not beyond it at this point.

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     The problem with what you say is that you are NOT building a team.  The team is largely built.  For example:

    There are only 4 QBs with a .500 or better record against teams with a winning record.  Mahomes, Garoppolo, Wilson and Jackson.  Rodgers is a distant 5th at .483.

    There are 7 QBs with a winning % above .600.  Mahomes, Garoppolo, Jackson, Allen, Rodgers, Prescott, and Wilson at .627.  Then a big drop-off to Trubisky at .578.

    There are 7 QBs with a higher QB rating than Jackson.  Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, Garoppolo, Cousins, Prescott.  Then Jackson with a rating of 96.  Then a drop to Allen at 92.

    From 2018-2020 he did not miss a game, including the playoffs.  At the end of the last two seasons he got hurt and missed the last couple of games.  Last year was on a sack.  So, whether his style lends itself to injury is very much up for debate.  The speculation can be there even though it is by and large a myth that running QBs are injury prone.  As I pointed out before QBs are generally more hurt while throwing the ball and getting hit and slammed to the ground.  They are more of a stationary target and in a more susceptible position to get hurt with no momentum, etc.  Maybe he could have come back last year and played.  But with no deal in place, or commitment from the team and already injured it might be understandable if not.

    I am not a huge Jackson fan.  But if the Ravens want to win they need to make it work with Jackson.  There are no better QBs that are available, so they would, by definition, be taking a step back if they do not sign him.  They are very viable in the AFC with him and are in no need of rebuilding.  There are certain things the coaching staff needs to work with him to improve, but that their job.

    Playoff wins are very hard to come by simply because you have to get there first.  Just because Tannehill, Goff, and Foles have more playoff wins than Jackson that does not make them better QBs than he is.  

    So, the only QB that is available that is on par or better than Jackson would be Rodgers.  Therefore, Jackson absolutely has more leverage — IF the team wants to win.  Otherwise, they can not sign Jackson and, more or less, rebuild.  But the risk to GM and coaches is elevated if they do not win.  QBs that win and consistently perform like he has done do not come along very often AND none are available now.

    Now you can argue whether he should have hired an agent or whether he could have handled this all better.  Same with the Ravens.

    What you cannot argue is that there are that many QBs that win and perform better than he does.  You may not like his style or lack of improving on his flaws.  But it all comes down to winning and very few do it better than he has.

    They simply need to work this out, it is not beyond it at this point.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @bluecompass  The problem with what you say is that you are NOT building a team.  The team is largely built.  For example: There are only 4 QBs with a .500 or better record against teams with a winning record.  Mahomes, Garoppolo, Wilson and Jackson.  Rodgers is a distant 5th at .483. There are 7 QBs with a winning % above .600.  Mahomes, Garoppolo, Jackson, Allen, Rodgers, Prescott, and Wilson at .627.  Then a big drop-off to Trubisky at .578. There are 7 QBs with a higher QB rating than Jackson.  Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, Garoppolo, Cousins, Prescott.  Then Jackson with a rating of 96.  Then a drop to Allen at 92.

     

    That's interesting stuff.  And I agree, BAL has built their team around Jackson.  And what has it gotten them?  Several winning seasons and playoff appearances.  Some would consider that a success.  I look at that and I see stagnation, because there's been no evolution, no progress, no real improvement.  In fact, on an individual basis, LJ has actually declined over the past couple of seasons.  I would argue that this is mostly because defenses have figured him out, or at least figured out the BAL offensive scheme with him under center.

    So if a team decides to pay a guy $200 million, what should they expect to get for that money?  If it was me, I'd be expecting a deep playoff run, and probably a couple of them.  Let's say LJ and the Ravens make a deal for $200 million for the next 5 years, and at the end of that 5 years, they have 5 winning seasons, 3 division titles and 2 playoff wins, was it worth it?  I'm sure there are plenty of fans that would be happy with that.  I would not.

    LJ is clearly a valuable player, but only in BAL.  No other team tried to sign him.  From everything I've read, no other team even picked up the phone and called him.  Outside of BAL, LJ isn't worth half of what he's asking for.  BAL would have loved to trade the guy, but no one wanted him.  So they're stuck with him.  And now they should double down and make him one of the highest paid players in the league?

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    @bluecompass  The problem with what you say is that you are NOT building a team.  The team is largely built.  For example: There are only 4 QBs with a .500 or better record against teams with a winning record.  Mahomes, Garoppolo, Wilson and Jackson.  Rodgers is a distant 5th at .483. There are 7 QBs with a winning % above .600.  Mahomes, Garoppolo, Jackson, Allen, Rodgers, Prescott, and Wilson at .627.  Then a big drop-off to Trubisky at .578. There are 7 QBs with a higher QB rating than Jackson.  Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, Garoppolo, Cousins, Prescott.  Then Jackson with a rating of 96.  Then a drop to Allen at 92.

     

    That's interesting stuff.  And I agree, BAL has built their team around Jackson.  And what has it gotten them?  Several winning seasons and playoff appearances.  Some would consider that a success.  I look at that and I see stagnation, because there's been no evolution, no progress, no real improvement.  In fact, on an individual basis, LJ has actually declined over the past couple of seasons.  I would argue that this is mostly because defenses have figured him out, or at least figured out the BAL offensive scheme with him under center.

    So if a team decides to pay a guy $200 million, what should they expect to get for that money?  If it was me, I'd be expecting a deep playoff run, and probably a couple of them.  Let's say LJ and the Ravens make a deal for $200 million for the next 5 years, and at the end of that 5 years, they have 5 winning seasons, 3 division titles and 2 playoff wins, was it worth it?  I'm sure there are plenty of fans that would be happy with that.  I would not.

    LJ is clearly a valuable player, but only in BAL.  No other team tried to sign him.  From everything I've read, no other team even picked up the phone and called him.  Outside of BAL, LJ isn't worth half of what he's asking for.  BAL would have loved to trade the guy, but no one wanted him.  So they're stuck with him.  And now they should double down and make him one of the highest paid players in the league?

     
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    I agree that he needs improvement and teams have figured him out somewhat.  But when you start 8-3 every year, contend for division title every year, and are in the talk of playoffs every year -- then you have to give him credit.  He is a winner and a top performer.  That cannot be questioned.  

    No.  That is too much money guaranteed.  They need to work that out.

    But you have to be realistic about your expectations.  What teams make consistent deep runs in the playoffs?  Very, very few.  What QBs do you really expect to do that?  KC and Mahomes.  Maybe Burrow and the Bengals can be included.  No one else can be, yet.  Allen and the Bills have 'underperformed'.  Herbert and the Chargers have not taken the next step.  It is unlikely Hurts and the Eagles will do it.  Lawrence has not done it.  Prescott, Watson and Goff have not shown it yet.

    People have expectations that are too high for their teams and are unrealistic.  Some of the most dedicated fan bases are from teams that are not usually playoff contenders -- like the Saints and Bears.  The Ravens are one of the rare ones that have a great fan base and usually win and contend.

    Look at Rodgers who is an all time, elite QB.  Look at his record against winning teams and look at his playoffs.  

    People that expect their QB and team to contend for the playoffs and the SB every year like Brady did are being very unrealistic.

    A team like Cleveland or Atlanta or Miami could just let Jackson go and not have their fan base be livid if they lost.

    The Ravens do not have that type of fan base.  They are avid fans, they are winners and they like Jackson.  Now, suppose they let Jackson go and start to lose.  Their fan base will not be happy.  This is not the Colts or the Jets for example.

    Fans have to realize how hard it is to make the playoffs to start with.  Then it is even harder to win once in the playoffs.  Then it is even harder to win consistently in the playoffs.  Murray, Watson, Prescott, and Stafford are all highly paid but not all-time greats, yet; and they do not make the playoffs every year and certainly do not make deep runs every year.

    Rodgers and Wilson are both all time greats and look at them lately.  Are they worth the money?  Of course, because someone is willing to pay them.  But the teams felt like they give them the best possible chance to make the playoffs, maybe win, and maybe make a deep run.

    Absolutely he is worth more than half of what he is asking outside of Baltimore.  Let him cut his price in half and teams would come out of the woodwork.  But the issue is the guaranteed part to me.

    Teams did not sign Murray and Watson, for example, because they are winners.  They signed them for name and potential.  Wilson and Rodgers could be argued are the only QBs that have been signed lately because the are winners.  The teams that signed them fully expected to contend.  Jackson would not be signed for potential; he would be signed because he is a proven winner.

    Making the playoffs should be easy for the Ravens with him.  Winning the division is very possible.  They really only have to contend with KC and the Bengals in the AFC.  Allen and the Bills, maybe, but unlikely year in and year out.  Then a team here and there.  But they are the 3rd-5th best team in the AFC WITH him; without him, maybe 10th-15th and likely out of contention for the playoffs.  He is a 5-7 point difference every game.  Only 4-5 QBs are in that range and he is one of them.  NFL games too often are so close and tight and last possessions matter, etc.

    But it will be interesting how it plays out.

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    I agree that he needs improvement and teams have figured him out somewhat.  But when you start 8-3 every year, contend for division title every year, and are in the talk of playoffs every year -- then you have to give him credit.  He is a winner and a top performer.  That cannot be questioned.  

    No.  That is too much money guaranteed.  They need to work that out.

    But you have to be realistic about your expectations.  What teams make consistent deep runs in the playoffs?  Very, very few.  What QBs do you really expect to do that?  KC and Mahomes.  Maybe Burrow and the Bengals can be included.  No one else can be, yet.  Allen and the Bills have 'underperformed'.  Herbert and the Chargers have not taken the next step.  It is unlikely Hurts and the Eagles will do it.  Lawrence has not done it.  Prescott, Watson and Goff have not shown it yet.

    People have expectations that are too high for their teams and are unrealistic.  Some of the most dedicated fan bases are from teams that are not usually playoff contenders -- like the Saints and Bears.  The Ravens are one of the rare ones that have a great fan base and usually win and contend.

    Look at Rodgers who is an all time, elite QB.  Look at his record against winning teams and look at his playoffs.  

    People that expect their QB and team to contend for the playoffs and the SB every year like Brady did are being very unrealistic.

    A team like Cleveland or Atlanta or Miami could just let Jackson go and not have their fan base be livid if they lost.

    The Ravens do not have that type of fan base.  They are avid fans, they are winners and they like Jackson.  Now, suppose they let Jackson go and start to lose.  Their fan base will not be happy.  This is not the Colts or the Jets for example.

    Fans have to realize how hard it is to make the playoffs to start with.  Then it is even harder to win once in the playoffs.  Then it is even harder to win consistently in the playoffs.  Murray, Watson, Prescott, and Stafford are all highly paid but not all-time greats, yet; and they do not make the playoffs every year and certainly do not make deep runs every year.

    Rodgers and Wilson are both all time greats and look at them lately.  Are they worth the money?  Of course, because someone is willing to pay them.  But the teams felt like they give them the best possible chance to make the playoffs, maybe win, and maybe make a deep run.

    Absolutely he is worth more than half of what he is asking outside of Baltimore.  Let him cut his price in half and teams would come out of the woodwork.  But the issue is the guaranteed part to me.

    Teams did not sign Murray and Watson, for example, because they are winners.  They signed them for name and potential.  Wilson and Rodgers could be argued are the only QBs that have been signed lately because the are winners.  The teams that signed them fully expected to contend.  Jackson would not be signed for potential; he would be signed because he is a proven winner.

    Making the playoffs should be easy for the Ravens with him.  Winning the division is very possible.  They really only have to contend with KC and the Bengals in the AFC.  Allen and the Bills, maybe, but unlikely year in and year out.  Then a team here and there.  But they are the 3rd-5th best team in the AFC WITH him; without him, maybe 10th-15th and likely out of contention for the playoffs.  He is a 5-7 point difference every game.  Only 4-5 QBs are in that range and he is one of them.  NFL games too often are so close and tight and last possessions matter, etc.

    But it will be interesting how it plays out.

     
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    BAL is gonna sign Huntley to a 1 year deal.  So they are still in "wait and see" mode.  OBJ looks like he might have a little legal trouble headed his way - I never know who to believe in these sorts of situations, better to just wait for the actual evidence to come in, rather than rush to judgement or pick a side.  The draft is a week away.  Whatever value LJ has outside of BAL is dropping by the minute.  I think it will crater after the draft.  But if BAL doesn't hurry up and make a plan, they could be left holding the bag come August.

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    BAL is gonna sign Huntley to a 1 year deal.  So they are still in "wait and see" mode.  OBJ looks like he might have a little legal trouble headed his way - I never know who to believe in these sorts of situations, better to just wait for the actual evidence to come in, rather than rush to judgement or pick a side.  The draft is a week away.  Whatever value LJ has outside of BAL is dropping by the minute.  I think it will crater after the draft.  But if BAL doesn't hurry up and make a plan, they could be left holding the bag come August.

     
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    Why do people talk about Lamar Jackson like he’s Joao Felix? Someone not worth 120M+

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    Lamar Jackson is one of the rarest athletes in nfl history. Everyone knows it. It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with the owners not wanting a full market adjustment because of one stupid owner.  These owners are giving a standing ovation to biscotti everytime he walks through the door at an owners meeting. 

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    Lamar Jackson is one of the rarest athletes in nfl history. Everyone knows it. It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with the owners not wanting a full market adjustment because of one stupid owner.  These owners are giving a standing ovation to biscotti everytime he walks through the door at an owners meeting. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by RXistrash:

    Lamar Jackson is one of the rarest athletes in nfl history. Everyone knows it. It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with the owners not wanting a full market adjustment because of one stupid owner.  These owners are giving a standing ovation to biscotti everytime he walks through the door at an owners meeting.

     

    U make no sense..He has a injury history the last 2 years...missing 12+ games and the playoffs and u want the owner to give him a fully guaranteed deal for an injury prone running QB...that is an average passer...If he tears his ACL...can he come back and just rely on on his arm from the pocket? 

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    Lamar Jackson is one of the rarest athletes in nfl history. Everyone knows it. It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with the owners not wanting a full market adjustment because of one stupid owner.  These owners are giving a standing ovation to biscotti everytime he walks through the door at an owners meeting.

     

    U make no sense..He has a injury history the last 2 years...missing 12+ games and the playoffs and u want the owner to give him a fully guaranteed deal for an injury prone running QB...that is an average passer...If he tears his ACL...can he come back and just rely on on his arm from the pocket? 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:

    Quote Originally Posted by RXistrash: Lamar Jackson is one of the rarest athletes in nfl history. Everyone knows it. It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with the owners not wanting a full market adjustment because of one stupid owner.  These owners are giving a standing ovation to biscotti everytime he walks through the door at an owners meeting.   U make no sense..He has a injury history the last 2 years...missing 12+ games and the playoffs and u want the owner to give him a fully guaranteed deal for an injury prone running QB...that is an average passer...If he tears his ACL...can he come back and just rely on on his arm from the pocket?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by RXistrash: Lamar Jackson is one of the rarest athletes in nfl history. Everyone knows it. It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with the owners not wanting a full market adjustment because of one stupid owner.  These owners are giving a standing ovation to biscotti everytime he walks through the door at an owners meeting.   U make no sense..He has a injury history the last 2 years...missing 12+ games and the playoffs and u want the owner to give him a fully guaranteed deal for an injury prone running QB...that is an average passer...If he tears his ACL...can he come back and just rely on on his arm from the pocket?

     

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