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    Keep in mind, I made money on the 49ers. Tonight I am convinced it's a scam

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    chic-cardinals
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 5:27 PM ET #51

    God, this mobile site is so screwed up and poorly designed.

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    God, this mobile site is so screwed up and poorly designed.

     
    bk1374
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 5:29 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    God, this mobile site is so screwed up and poorly designed.


    Like your brain.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    God, this mobile site is so screwed up and poorly designed.


    Like your brain.  
     
    smacksmiter
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 5:36 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

     

    Lol whether a child turns around to look  at a toy,  doesn't have crap to do with a billion dollar entertainment  business. Players  and refs are paid to do  exactly  as told.  If the league tells the refs to sway the game one way or the other, nothing illegal is happening. Its' not against the law for them to get any outcome they want.

    Billions of dollars means/equals = nothing is impossible. 

     

     


    Lack of self awareness is not necessarily a component of low comprehension...however...if you do not understand that your childhood up to about age 6 has a huge influence on your adult character and persona you do need to get educated and quickly...

    Not knowing the importance of this is affecting your life in more ways than I can count...starting with your inability to comprehend my treatise...

    Best of luck in your life...you sure as hell are going to need a lot of luck to make it without self awareness...

    PM for the skinny on the down low
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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

     

    Lol whether a child turns around to look  at a toy,  doesn't have crap to do with a billion dollar entertainment  business. Players  and refs are paid to do  exactly  as told.  If the league tells the refs to sway the game one way or the other, nothing illegal is happening. Its' not against the law for them to get any outcome they want.

    Billions of dollars means/equals = nothing is impossible. 

     

     


    Lack of self awareness is not necessarily a component of low comprehension...however...if you do not understand that your childhood up to about age 6 has a huge influence on your adult character and persona you do need to get educated and quickly...

    Not knowing the importance of this is affecting your life in more ways than I can count...starting with your inability to comprehend my treatise...

    Best of luck in your life...you sure as hell are going to need a lot of luck to make it without self awareness...

     
    chic-cardinals
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 6:23 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

      Lol whether a child turns around to look  at a toy,  doesn't have crap to do with a billion dollar entertainment  business. Players  and refs are paid to do  exactly  as told.  If the league tells the refs to sway the game one way or the other, nothing illegal is happening. Its' not against the law for them to get any outcome they want. Billions of dollars means/equals = nothing is impossible.     
    Lack of self awareness is not necessarily a component of low comprehension...however...if you do not understand that your childhood up to about age 6 has a huge influence on your adult character and persona you do need to get educated and quickly...Not knowing the importance of this is affecting your life in more ways than I can count...starting with your inability to comprehend my treatise...Best of luck in your life...you sure as hell are going to need a lot of luck to make it without self awareness...

     

    Lol what you fail to realize is your  childish example proves my point and not yours.

    People are dishonest.  The wealthiest people are the most dishonest. Theres' no such  thing as a honest  billionaire. Therefore ou believe lies..ie you think like a child 

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    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

      Lol whether a child turns around to look  at a toy,  doesn't have crap to do with a billion dollar entertainment  business. Players  and refs are paid to do  exactly  as told.  If the league tells the refs to sway the game one way or the other, nothing illegal is happening. Its' not against the law for them to get any outcome they want. Billions of dollars means/equals = nothing is impossible.     
    Lack of self awareness is not necessarily a component of low comprehension...however...if you do not understand that your childhood up to about age 6 has a huge influence on your adult character and persona you do need to get educated and quickly...Not knowing the importance of this is affecting your life in more ways than I can count...starting with your inability to comprehend my treatise...Best of luck in your life...you sure as hell are going to need a lot of luck to make it without self awareness...

     

    Lol what you fail to realize is your  childish example proves my point and not yours.

    People are dishonest.  The wealthiest people are the most dishonest. Theres' no such  thing as a honest  billionaire. Therefore ou believe lies..ie you think like a child 

     
    chic-cardinals
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 6:38 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    God, this mobile site is so screwed up and poorly designed.
    Like your brain.

    Yet you can' prove it's  not staged. Insulting  people doesnt' prove  it' not staged. It proves you have nothing. You can' point at any specific  thing and say, see this? It proves it. All you have is believe. Just saying, how could they? It' impossible. Is an opinion,  not a fact or proof.

    You have nothing. 

    This is proof= every weekend , multiple  games come down to the final minute, downs, play etc.. that' not naturally humanly possible unless games are scripted  and manipulated. That is a fact about reality. Nothing  in your life matches what you see on tv on a weekly basis. 

    That is all the proof needed. Youv'e been trained to believe  most everything  you were told. Believing  you're right doesn't prove me wrong.

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    God, this mobile site is so screwed up and poorly designed.
    Like your brain.

    Yet you can' prove it's  not staged. Insulting  people doesnt' prove  it' not staged. It proves you have nothing. You can' point at any specific  thing and say, see this? It proves it. All you have is believe. Just saying, how could they? It' impossible. Is an opinion,  not a fact or proof.

    You have nothing. 

    This is proof= every weekend , multiple  games come down to the final minute, downs, play etc.. that' not naturally humanly possible unless games are scripted  and manipulated. That is a fact about reality. Nothing  in your life matches what you see on tv on a weekly basis. 

    That is all the proof needed. Youv'e been trained to believe  most everything  you were told. Believing  you're right doesn't prove me wrong.

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 8:49 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by gutinstinctus:

    BTW what has happened is that we all have underestimated the 9ers. Those shitty niners. I am the guiltiest person out there of doing this. Why? Because we generally handicap on the main names... Wilson, Gurley, Julio, Hopkins, Ertz, but we forget to analyze the fat SOBs whose names most people don`t even know.   Truth be told, in retrospect, this game was simple to foresee, 9ers D line vs that morbid O line from Cleveland. Yet the OBJ-Landry hype still clinged for most bettors who forget that this game is and will always be determined in the trenches.

    example** Indy +11.5, owned the time possession and ability to grind 1st downs.  Also, Defensive scheme to try and limit the KC big plays.  Hard to bet against KC @ home, but balls to play the correct side**. Thanks for the insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutinstinctus:

    BTW what has happened is that we all have underestimated the 9ers. Those shitty niners. I am the guiltiest person out there of doing this. Why? Because we generally handicap on the main names... Wilson, Gurley, Julio, Hopkins, Ertz, but we forget to analyze the fat SOBs whose names most people don`t even know.   Truth be told, in retrospect, this game was simple to foresee, 9ers D line vs that morbid O line from Cleveland. Yet the OBJ-Landry hype still clinged for most bettors who forget that this game is and will always be determined in the trenches.

    example** Indy +11.5, owned the time possession and ability to grind 1st downs.  Also, Defensive scheme to try and limit the KC big plays.  Hard to bet against KC @ home, but balls to play the correct side**. Thanks for the insight.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 9:18 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    and the Beauty of it is, Browns should/probably beat Seattle next week. they are pushing to have everyone/ most teams end up 8-8,9-7. Titans blow out Browns, browns blow out Ravens.. its all bull__
    thought about this exact same thing earlier 

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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    and the Beauty of it is, Browns should/probably beat Seattle next week. they are pushing to have everyone/ most teams end up 8-8,9-7. Titans blow out Browns, browns blow out Ravens.. its all bull__
    thought about this exact same thing earlier 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 9:19 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by gutinstinctus:

    BTW what has happened is that we all have underestimated the 9ers. Those shitty niners. I am the guiltiest person out there of doing this. Why? Because we generally handicap on the main names... Wilson, Gurley, Julio, Hopkins, Ertz, but we forget to analyze the fat SOBs whose names most people don`t even know.   Truth be told, in retrospect, this game was simple to foresee, 9ers D line vs that morbid O line from Cleveland. Yet the OBJ-Landry hype still clinged for most bettors who forget that this game is and will always be determined in the trenches.
    love that last line. 

     

    Game is won won or lost in the trenches 

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutinstinctus:

    BTW what has happened is that we all have underestimated the 9ers. Those shitty niners. I am the guiltiest person out there of doing this. Why? Because we generally handicap on the main names... Wilson, Gurley, Julio, Hopkins, Ertz, but we forget to analyze the fat SOBs whose names most people don`t even know.   Truth be told, in retrospect, this game was simple to foresee, 9ers D line vs that morbid O line from Cleveland. Yet the OBJ-Landry hype still clinged for most bettors who forget that this game is and will always be determined in the trenches.
    love that last line. 

     

    Game is won won or lost in the trenches 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 11:22 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyh3llz:

    Quote Originally Posted by gutinstinctus:

    BTW what has happened is that we all have underestimated the 9ers. Those shitty niners. I am the guiltiest person out there of doing this. Why? Because we generally handicap on the main names... Wilson, Gurley, Julio, Hopkins, Ertz, but we forget to analyze the fat SOBs whose names most people don`t even know.   Truth be told, in retrospect, this game was simple to foresee, 9ers D line vs that morbid O line from Cleveland. Yet the OBJ-Landry hype still clinged for most bettors who forget that this game is and will always be determined in the trenches.
    love that last line.    Game is won won or lost in the trenches

     

    Lol no, it's won and lost  in a closed space, that writes all game endings before  games are even played 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holyh3llz:

    Quote Originally Posted by gutinstinctus:

    BTW what has happened is that we all have underestimated the 9ers. Those shitty niners. I am the guiltiest person out there of doing this. Why? Because we generally handicap on the main names... Wilson, Gurley, Julio, Hopkins, Ertz, but we forget to analyze the fat SOBs whose names most people don`t even know.   Truth be told, in retrospect, this game was simple to foresee, 9ers D line vs that morbid O line from Cleveland. Yet the OBJ-Landry hype still clinged for most bettors who forget that this game is and will always be determined in the trenches.
    love that last line.    Game is won won or lost in the trenches

     

    Lol no, it's won and lost  in a closed space, that writes all game endings before  games are even played 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 11:38 PM ET #60

    In other news the World is Flat...
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    In other news the World is Flat...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 11:45 PM ET #61

    Why would any entity talk when they are being paid big bucks, or have signed a gag clause with a death warrant if broken. You may think this is crazy, but look at the everyday world we live in. Think outside the box!

    6K GOLD/$150 SILVER/ Find JESUS! Yes, I'm a sinner!!
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    Why would any entity talk when they are being paid big bucks, or have signed a gag clause with a death warrant if broken. You may think this is crazy, but look at the everyday world we live in. Think outside the box!

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 11:50 PM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyLucian0:

    Agree, I reacted to the line as well. The books really wanted the Browns money.  A big jump like that so early in the game is not normal. So the -13,5 was a little too much so early in the game. I think it should have been -11.5 which should have been more "normal" and logical. As a rule, if the line will jump like yesterday, then always go with the team like 49ers yesterday. Why? Because the books have too much risk on 49ers so they will beg the public to pound the Browns so their risk on 49ers will be less. This means that there is serious money on 49ers.  I have worked as a bookie for a company which is owned by one of the leading European sites so Im not talking shit. We did work with live betting mainly and it all is about risk. The bookies follow the market, if you're not following the market and go under the market then everybody will buy from you and you will end up with a BIG risk which you dont want. If you have a lot of risk then you want people to buy from the other side to even up and minimize the risk. So as I wrote earlier, if its an abnormal change then keep in mind that the other side have big money and you want to follow the big money.  Pre-game odds is set by the big bookies and the rest will follow the odds so they dont get fucked.

     

    This makes the most sense. The 13.5 live line is wild and I always wondered how books calculated live lines. It's not actually about the game, I mean it is as far as the situation of the game, but it's about the books risk. Why wouldn't it be? They are a business themselves and cannot get fcked every game or they would be out of business, so their live lines are to even their risk out and maximize profitability. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyLucian0:

    Agree, I reacted to the line as well. The books really wanted the Browns money.  A big jump like that so early in the game is not normal. So the -13,5 was a little too much so early in the game. I think it should have been -11.5 which should have been more "normal" and logical. As a rule, if the line will jump like yesterday, then always go with the team like 49ers yesterday. Why? Because the books have too much risk on 49ers so they will beg the public to pound the Browns so their risk on 49ers will be less. This means that there is serious money on 49ers.  I have worked as a bookie for a company which is owned by one of the leading European sites so Im not talking shit. We did work with live betting mainly and it all is about risk. The bookies follow the market, if you're not following the market and go under the market then everybody will buy from you and you will end up with a BIG risk which you dont want. If you have a lot of risk then you want people to buy from the other side to even up and minimize the risk. So as I wrote earlier, if its an abnormal change then keep in mind that the other side have big money and you want to follow the big money.  Pre-game odds is set by the big bookies and the rest will follow the odds so they dont get fucked.

     

    This makes the most sense. The 13.5 live line is wild and I always wondered how books calculated live lines. It's not actually about the game, I mean it is as far as the situation of the game, but it's about the books risk. Why wouldn't it be? They are a business themselves and cannot get fcked every game or they would be out of business, so their live lines are to even their risk out and maximize profitability. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 11:52 PM ET #63

    Or may be they're squeezing as many penny's out of gullible punters?

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    Or may be they're squeezing as many penny's out of gullible punters?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2019 - 9:12 AM ET #64

    If you think its rigged, try to bet against Public on every game to see how broke you'll be. I do have friends who only bet against public and he lost his ass off too. 

    Have you ever played Barcarrat at Casinos? Its 50/50 game, much easier than sport betting. You bet on Banker or player, dealer flips the cards and you win or lose. People still lose their ass off.

    Try to be a bookie with less than 100ks for a year.

    Then 500ks the next year.

    You will see the real results. With 100ks, you're broke by week 3 (sometimes). 

    But with 500ks, you can hang on until week 5 and win back 1 week, you have every penny back.

    The logic is simple,  when casino lose, they bring out more money to keep playing,  but when you're out, you're out, out. Done, 

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    If you think its rigged, try to bet against Public on every game to see how broke you'll be. I do have friends who only bet against public and he lost his ass off too. 

    Have you ever played Barcarrat at Casinos? Its 50/50 game, much easier than sport betting. You bet on Banker or player, dealer flips the cards and you win or lose. People still lose their ass off.

    Try to be a bookie with less than 100ks for a year.

    Then 500ks the next year.

    You will see the real results. With 100ks, you're broke by week 3 (sometimes). 

    But with 500ks, you can hang on until week 5 and win back 1 week, you have every penny back.

    The logic is simple,  when casino lose, they bring out more money to keep playing,  but when you're out, you're out, out. Done, 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2019 - 9:23 AM ET #65

    Vegas is too good, they are super good at manipulating the spreads to fool us ????. 

    Ive been tailing some of your picks and Colin Blazin 5. I lose most of the time by thinking too much. Thinking that Vegas is trying to set me up. Maybe this is one of the main reasons why most of the newbies do so well in sport betting until a couple weeks later???:)

    I used to believe in Luck but LeageCapper proved that its skills:)

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    Vegas is too good, they are super good at manipulating the spreads to fool us ????. 

    Ive been tailing some of your picks and Colin Blazin 5. I lose most of the time by thinking too much. Thinking that Vegas is trying to set me up. Maybe this is one of the main reasons why most of the newbies do so well in sport betting until a couple weeks later???:)

    I used to believe in Luck but LeageCapper proved that its skills:)

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2019 - 9:51 AM ET #66

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Lack of self awareness is not necessarily a component of low comprehension...however...if you do not understand that your childhood up to about age 6 has a huge influence on your adult character and persona you do need to get educated and quickly...Not knowing the importance of this is affecting your life in more ways than I can count...starting with your inability to comprehend my treatise...Best of luck in your life...you sure as hell are going to need a lot of luck to make it without self awareness...

     

    Lol what you fail to realize is your  childish example proves my point and not yours.

    People are dishonest.  The wealthiest people are the most dishonest. Theres' no such  thing as a honest  billionaire. Therefore ou believe lies..ie you think like a child 


    *Sigh*...once again Forest Gump is proven correct......

    You literally cannot fix some people......

    I'm done trying......

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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Lack of self awareness is not necessarily a component of low comprehension...however...if you do not understand that your childhood up to about age 6 has a huge influence on your adult character and persona you do need to get educated and quickly...Not knowing the importance of this is affecting your life in more ways than I can count...starting with your inability to comprehend my treatise...Best of luck in your life...you sure as hell are going to need a lot of luck to make it without self awareness...

     

    Lol what you fail to realize is your  childish example proves my point and not yours.

    People are dishonest.  The wealthiest people are the most dishonest. Theres' no such  thing as a honest  billionaire. Therefore ou believe lies..ie you think like a child 


    *Sigh*...once again Forest Gump is proven correct......

    You literally cannot fix some people......

    I'm done trying......

    /mic drop
     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2019 - 10:34 AM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    Why would any entity talk when they are being paid big bucks, or have signed a gag clause with a death warrant if broken. You may think this is crazy, but look at the everyday world we live in. Think outside the box!


    I love how you nutjobs call OTHER people gullible, when this is what you believe.  

    Conspiracy theorists ARE the most CLOSED MINDED people on the planet, despite their efforts to convince you otherwise. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    Why would any entity talk when they are being paid big bucks, or have signed a gag clause with a death warrant if broken. You may think this is crazy, but look at the everyday world we live in. Think outside the box!


    I love how you nutjobs call OTHER people gullible, when this is what you believe.  

    Conspiracy theorists ARE the most CLOSED MINDED people on the planet, despite their efforts to convince you otherwise. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:

    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    Why would any entity talk when they are being paid big bucks, or have signed a gag clause with a death warrant if broken. You may think this is crazy, but look at the everyday world we live in. Think outside the box!
    I love how you nutjobs call OTHER people gullible, when this is what you believe.  Conspiracy theorists ARE the most CLOSED MINDED people on the planet, despite their efforts to convince you otherwise.

    That's not a counter point that proves anything wrong. Closed minded?  You're the one who assumes theres'  only one way or a limited approach to a conclusion /solution.  Youre  the least open minded.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:

    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    Why would any entity talk when they are being paid big bucks, or have signed a gag clause with a death warrant if broken. You may think this is crazy, but look at the everyday world we live in. Think outside the box!
    I love how you nutjobs call OTHER people gullible, when this is what you believe.  Conspiracy theorists ARE the most CLOSED MINDED people on the planet, despite their efforts to convince you otherwise.

    That's not a counter point that proves anything wrong. Closed minded?  You're the one who assumes theres'  only one way or a limited approach to a conclusion /solution.  Youre  the least open minded.  

     
     
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    OMG!an_timeout

    this thread just goes ON & ON & ON *sigh is there anything else to talk about like Week #6 games let's move on fellas WTF!

    I'm sure everyone's got their points across one way or another ..... Come on Man!!!!!new_crazy

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    OMG!an_timeout

    this thread just goes ON & ON & ON *sigh is there anything else to talk about like Week #6 games let's move on fellas WTF!

    I'm sure everyone's got their points across one way or another ..... Come on Man!!!!!new_crazy

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