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    Keep in mind, I made money on the 49ers. Tonight I am convinced it's a scam

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    stoidi
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 12:24 AM ET #1

    Keep in mind I didn't place a single bet on the overrated Browns, in fact, I am a 49er fan but I missed the ability to bet on them pregame and had to rely on the live lines to place my bet.   So anyone thinking I am crying because my team lost is 100% wrong and if anything my words should make you feel more afraid about putting another $ on this rigged sport.

    What I saw today confirmed everything that I tried to deny for a long time.  The NFL is rigged.  100%.  I don't know if it's individual players, coaches, refs, or all the above but I will break down the fishiness that I have observed.

    Big sharp money on 49ers from the moment the lines came out.  Meanwhile heavy public favorite Browns.  That pathetic excuse for a "game" last night with the Chiefs sowed the seeds for the public to think another road dog who appears much better than the Colts would cover.  Plus lots of Browns bets from the public were last legs on any remaining open parlays.

    I usually bet live so today I witnessed heavy, heavy fishiness with my book.  Shortly after the 49ers who were ONLY a -5 favorite got off to a quick 7-0 lead the live line was a ridiculous -13.5 with like 13 mins still in the 1st qtr!!  

    Let me repeat I check live lines almost every game I know the routine from the books.  This was a ridiculous, ridiculous amount of points to give to a Cleveland the team that was a heavy public play.  Up 7-0 and with the ball, before the commercial break, a typical live line at that timeframe of the 1st qtr would have been closer to -7.5.   Trust me I witness this each and every fucking week with my book as I always try to see what the line would be to for an underdog live when they are down early.  

    Lots of people use this live strategy of betting on the underdog when they are down early and the books are wise to it so they weight the current score of the game lower when it is early.  THIS IS A FUCKING FACT!  In no fucking way should the 49ers have been giving away almost 2 tds that fucking early when they were only -5 favorites!!  Anyone who doesn't understand this does not realize this was the Smoking Gun for me that this shit is 100% rigged.  The books knew at that moment that this would be a blowout.  The fucking books were begging, begging the public to take these early lines well before it became a blowout!!

    The moment I saw this I couldn't believe my eyes.  The one time I was actually checking for a decent favorite line for a favorite that goes up early I get -13.5 with 13 mins still to go in the 1st qtr??

    Then you have the Browns driving to the goal line and coming away with 3 points. The playcalling was a joke inside the 10 but I won't go there, I don't have to because once the Browns were down 14-3 and again inside the 10-yard line, Calloway not only drops a TD pass but makes sure to volley it up for the numerous Niner dbs within arms reach.  Of course a turnover in the fkn redzone.

    Now you may ask well if it's rigged and the books were begging for more Browns money why wouldn't they want the Browns to score a TD right then and there?  Well, I'll tell you why because the sharps would have pounded the 49ers if the score was 14-10 and the live line was closer to 49ers -8.5 or lower.  The books did not want a single $ more being wagered on the 49ers so they made sure to keep the 49ers at a far enough reach to keep the sharps away but also to bait joe public.

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    Keep in mind I didn't place a single bet on the overrated Browns, in fact, I am a 49er fan but I missed the ability to bet on them pregame and had to rely on the live lines to place my bet.   So anyone thinking I am crying because my team lost is 100% wrong and if anything my words should make you feel more afraid about putting another $ on this rigged sport.

    What I saw today confirmed everything that I tried to deny for a long time.  The NFL is rigged.  100%.  I don't know if it's individual players, coaches, refs, or all the above but I will break down the fishiness that I have observed.

    Big sharp money on 49ers from the moment the lines came out.  Meanwhile heavy public favorite Browns.  That pathetic excuse for a "game" last night with the Chiefs sowed the seeds for the public to think another road dog who appears much better than the Colts would cover.  Plus lots of Browns bets from the public were last legs on any remaining open parlays.

    I usually bet live so today I witnessed heavy, heavy fishiness with my book.  Shortly after the 49ers who were ONLY a -5 favorite got off to a quick 7-0 lead the live line was a ridiculous -13.5 with like 13 mins still in the 1st qtr!!  

    Let me repeat I check live lines almost every game I know the routine from the books.  This was a ridiculous, ridiculous amount of points to give to a Cleveland the team that was a heavy public play.  Up 7-0 and with the ball, before the commercial break, a typical live line at that timeframe of the 1st qtr would have been closer to -7.5.   Trust me I witness this each and every fucking week with my book as I always try to see what the line would be to for an underdog live when they are down early.  

    Lots of people use this live strategy of betting on the underdog when they are down early and the books are wise to it so they weight the current score of the game lower when it is early.  THIS IS A FUCKING FACT!  In no fucking way should the 49ers have been giving away almost 2 tds that fucking early when they were only -5 favorites!!  Anyone who doesn't understand this does not realize this was the Smoking Gun for me that this shit is 100% rigged.  The books knew at that moment that this would be a blowout.  The fucking books were begging, begging the public to take these early lines well before it became a blowout!!

    The moment I saw this I couldn't believe my eyes.  The one time I was actually checking for a decent favorite line for a favorite that goes up early I get -13.5 with 13 mins still to go in the 1st qtr??

    Then you have the Browns driving to the goal line and coming away with 3 points. The playcalling was a joke inside the 10 but I won't go there, I don't have to because once the Browns were down 14-3 and again inside the 10-yard line, Calloway not only drops a TD pass but makes sure to volley it up for the numerous Niner dbs within arms reach.  Of course a turnover in the fkn redzone.

    Now you may ask well if it's rigged and the books were begging for more Browns money why wouldn't they want the Browns to score a TD right then and there?  Well, I'll tell you why because the sharps would have pounded the 49ers if the score was 14-10 and the live line was closer to 49ers -8.5 or lower.  The books did not want a single $ more being wagered on the 49ers so they made sure to keep the 49ers at a far enough reach to keep the sharps away but also to bait joe public.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 12:25 AM ET #2

    Keep in mind, the reason why I am so keen on witnessing all these things and why I am so upset is that I missed betting on the 49ers pregame and I wanted to catch a near pregame line for the 49ers live.  The moment I saw the -13.5 early I was rooting for the Browns to score each and every drive so that the live lines for the 49ers would be low enough or me to take it.  And each time the Browns shot themselves in the foot.

    Worse than that there was a reversal play live for me had the 49ers just capitalized on their momentum but of course they didn't.  They missed fgs and their playcalling inside the 30-yard line of the Browns was suspect as fuck.  My theory was that the books did not want to increase the live lines too much too early in the game because the had to bait the public and not reveal a potential blowout too early.  

    I watch a lot of football, including a lot of 49er football.  The playcalling for the 49ers was suspicious after they took the 14-0 lead and it just so happened to work out perfectly for the books in preventing a reversal/middle play.

    For you see had the 49ers been up 21-3 early in the 2nd half, the Browns would have had to step up to that challenge which they couldn't do and no one would have taken the Browns in the 2nd half.

    The 2nd half offers a lifeline to the suckers.  They think the losing team will be galvanized and come out different.  They think the HC will make adjustments and the 49ers won't play with intensity.   No one would have taken the Browns if they saw them flounder in the 2nd qtr down 18+. 

    This is why I believe the 49ers took their foot off the pedal and allowed the clock to run down and score late to bait more suckers into pouring more gasoline on their dumpster fire of a pregame bet.

    My thinking is although this garbage is rigged for some games, it's not an exact science but through decades of practice, they have a formula that works most of the time.  My thinking is once the 49ers were up 14-3 they had to slow things down a bit before closing out the half up 18.   

    After all the shit I witnessed in the first half I hammered 49ers 2nd half convinced that I was right and I told myself if it works exactly as I thought it would (I had the game ending with a final score of 34-10 or 38-10) I would never bet on another NFL game again and guess what exactly as I thought happened and the public got fucking massacred tonight.  The sharps cleaned up and Vegas recovered by pillaging for joe public.  

    I am officially finished with this scam of a "sport" oops I mean entertainment.  There is not one thing anyone can tell me about what I witnessed tonight and throughout the season.

    I am warning anyone who gambles for anything other than entertainment purposes to strongly consider what I am saying even if for only 25% doubt.

    That Vikings-Giants game had me half convinced.  I was never that confident on a bet in my life and it played out exactly as I thought it would.  I had the Chiefs last night and that showed me again the rigged nature of this "sport" and tonight was the nail in the coffin.

    I don't even think I will be an NFL fan anymore either, which is the depressing part.  It's such a joke.   I am not crazy, I am educated with an above-average IQ and I see patterns.  I see a lot of patterns that this shit is rigged at some level.

    Deny it if you will.  You have been warned.  I hope I help some of you.

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    Keep in mind, the reason why I am so keen on witnessing all these things and why I am so upset is that I missed betting on the 49ers pregame and I wanted to catch a near pregame line for the 49ers live.  The moment I saw the -13.5 early I was rooting for the Browns to score each and every drive so that the live lines for the 49ers would be low enough or me to take it.  And each time the Browns shot themselves in the foot.

    Worse than that there was a reversal play live for me had the 49ers just capitalized on their momentum but of course they didn't.  They missed fgs and their playcalling inside the 30-yard line of the Browns was suspect as fuck.  My theory was that the books did not want to increase the live lines too much too early in the game because the had to bait the public and not reveal a potential blowout too early.  

    I watch a lot of football, including a lot of 49er football.  The playcalling for the 49ers was suspicious after they took the 14-0 lead and it just so happened to work out perfectly for the books in preventing a reversal/middle play.

    For you see had the 49ers been up 21-3 early in the 2nd half, the Browns would have had to step up to that challenge which they couldn't do and no one would have taken the Browns in the 2nd half.

    The 2nd half offers a lifeline to the suckers.  They think the losing team will be galvanized and come out different.  They think the HC will make adjustments and the 49ers won't play with intensity.   No one would have taken the Browns if they saw them flounder in the 2nd qtr down 18+. 

    This is why I believe the 49ers took their foot off the pedal and allowed the clock to run down and score late to bait more suckers into pouring more gasoline on their dumpster fire of a pregame bet.

    My thinking is although this garbage is rigged for some games, it's not an exact science but through decades of practice, they have a formula that works most of the time.  My thinking is once the 49ers were up 14-3 they had to slow things down a bit before closing out the half up 18.   

    After all the shit I witnessed in the first half I hammered 49ers 2nd half convinced that I was right and I told myself if it works exactly as I thought it would (I had the game ending with a final score of 34-10 or 38-10) I would never bet on another NFL game again and guess what exactly as I thought happened and the public got fucking massacred tonight.  The sharps cleaned up and Vegas recovered by pillaging for joe public.  

    I am officially finished with this scam of a "sport" oops I mean entertainment.  There is not one thing anyone can tell me about what I witnessed tonight and throughout the season.

    I am warning anyone who gambles for anything other than entertainment purposes to strongly consider what I am saying even if for only 25% doubt.

    That Vikings-Giants game had me half convinced.  I was never that confident on a bet in my life and it played out exactly as I thought it would.  I had the Chiefs last night and that showed me again the rigged nature of this "sport" and tonight was the nail in the coffin.

    I don't even think I will be an NFL fan anymore either, which is the depressing part.  It's such a joke.   I am not crazy, I am educated with an above-average IQ and I see patterns.  I see a lot of patterns that this shit is rigged at some level.

    Deny it if you will.  You have been warned.  I hope I help some of you.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 12:28 AM ET #3

         
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 1:07 AM ET #4

    "Shortly after the 49ers who were ONLY a -5 favorite got off to a quick 7-0 lead the live line was a ridiculous -13.5 with like 13 mins still in the 1st qtr!!"

    The "math" checks out. It's about ball park. The mathematical formula would be:

    ((The favorite's score, San Fran) - (Dog score, Browns)) + Spread + (premium) = live spread

    In this case: (7-0) + 5 = 12 

    Since you saw 13.5, the premium was 1.5 points. The "premium" was 1.5 points due to it being early in the game and will vary based on the time left. As the game progresses, the live spread will contain less and less of a "premium." That is why later on in the game, the live betting is always giving you a live spread with the formula of:

    ((The favorite's score, San Fran) - (Dog score, Browns)) - (1/2)

    For example, in the 3rd quarter when the score was 28-3 San Fran, the live line was probably +24.5. In the 4th quarter when the score was 31-3, the live spread was probably +27.5. This encourages chasing and people who are greedy who want to lay the points.

    The majority of the time, these are LOSING bets with HIGH juice. The juice attached to most live spread's and O/U's are higher than the standard -110. As with the stock market, you have to "assume" that there are equal parties on BOTH ends that are taking the points and laying the points at various points in hopes of more scoring by the losing/winning team to secure a winning bet. In the end, the books don't care. As long as there is a person laying the points and a person taking the points, the books collect the juice.

    "Schrödinger's bet." A bet that loses when you bet it but wins when you DON'T bet it...
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    "Shortly after the 49ers who were ONLY a -5 favorite got off to a quick 7-0 lead the live line was a ridiculous -13.5 with like 13 mins still in the 1st qtr!!"

    The "math" checks out. It's about ball park. The mathematical formula would be:

    ((The favorite's score, San Fran) - (Dog score, Browns)) + Spread + (premium) = live spread

    In this case: (7-0) + 5 = 12 

    Since you saw 13.5, the premium was 1.5 points. The "premium" was 1.5 points due to it being early in the game and will vary based on the time left. As the game progresses, the live spread will contain less and less of a "premium." That is why later on in the game, the live betting is always giving you a live spread with the formula of:

    ((The favorite's score, San Fran) - (Dog score, Browns)) - (1/2)

    For example, in the 3rd quarter when the score was 28-3 San Fran, the live line was probably +24.5. In the 4th quarter when the score was 31-3, the live spread was probably +27.5. This encourages chasing and people who are greedy who want to lay the points.

    The majority of the time, these are LOSING bets with HIGH juice. The juice attached to most live spread's and O/U's are higher than the standard -110. As with the stock market, you have to "assume" that there are equal parties on BOTH ends that are taking the points and laying the points at various points in hopes of more scoring by the losing/winning team to secure a winning bet. In the end, the books don't care. As long as there is a person laying the points and a person taking the points, the books collect the juice.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 1:28 AM ET #5

    Our governmental leaders are corrupted and bribed by foreign (especially China) and domestic interests as they sell political favors for money.

    The financial institutions including the banksters deal in high crimes and money laundering and the Federal Reserve is the worst as it deals in the destruction of our economy periodically for selfish gain and the little guy gets reamed and blamed for it.

    Our government gave the people who ran the economy into the ground in 2008 and years prior bailout money and still allow them to play casino capitalism. 

    And yet, if you tell some people that organized, mainstream sports is dirty and corrupted you will have guys who want to shoot the messenger because somehow they view it as pure as the driven snow as they love this fantasyland that this is all somehow real.

    Of course a lot of us get it already stoidi but it is always great to let us know that there are folks out there who are awake...of course the bookmakers in here won't love you as this could affect their bottomline. 

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    Our governmental leaders are corrupted and bribed by foreign (especially China) and domestic interests as they sell political favors for money.

    The financial institutions including the banksters deal in high crimes and money laundering and the Federal Reserve is the worst as it deals in the destruction of our economy periodically for selfish gain and the little guy gets reamed and blamed for it.

    Our government gave the people who ran the economy into the ground in 2008 and years prior bailout money and still allow them to play casino capitalism. 

    And yet, if you tell some people that organized, mainstream sports is dirty and corrupted you will have guys who want to shoot the messenger because somehow they view it as pure as the driven snow as they love this fantasyland that this is all somehow real.

    Of course a lot of us get it already stoidi but it is always great to let us know that there are folks out there who are awake...of course the bookmakers in here won't love you as this could affect their bottomline. 

     
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    To summarize it...browns on a 3rd game of a 4 game road trip...books knew public would jump on the overrated Browns because Chubb ran 80 yards at 22mph in Baltimore...just another prime time game the books had circled since last week 
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    To summarize it...browns on a 3rd game of a 4 game road trip...books knew public would jump on the overrated Browns because Chubb ran 80 yards at 22mph in Baltimore...just another prime time game the books had circled since last week 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSquare:

    "Shortly after the 49ers who were ONLY a -5 favorite got off to a quick 7-0 lead the live line was a ridiculous -13.5 with like 13 mins still in the 1st qtr!!" The "math" checks out. It's about ball park. The mathematical formula would be: ((The favorite's score, San Fran) - (Dog score, Browns)) + Spread + (premium) = live spread In this case: (7-0) + 5 = 12  Since you saw 13.5, the premium was 1.5 points. The "premium" was 1.5 points due to it being early in the game and will vary based on the time left. As the game progresses, the live spread will contain less and less of a "premium." That is why later on in the game, the live betting is always giving you a live spread with the formula of: ((The favorite's score, San Fran) - (Dog score, Browns)) - (1/2) For example, in the 3rd quarter when the score was 28-3 San Fran, the live line was probably +24.5. In the 4th quarter when the score was 31-3, the live spread was probably +27.5. This encourages chasing and people who are greedy who want to lay the points. The majority of the time, these are LOSING bets with HIGH juice. The juice attached to most live spread's and O/U's are higher than the standard -110. As with the stock market, you have to "assume" that there are equal parties on BOTH ends that are taking the points and laying the points at various points in hopes of more scoring by the losing/winning team to secure a winning bet. In the end, the books don't care. As long as there is a person laying the points and a person taking the points, the books collect the juice.

    Sorry, you are wrong with your formula.  I mentioned many times that I specifically look at live lines each and every week for a play like tonight early.  Never have I gotten a live line like what was offered tonight.  NEVER.  The books never weigh the score 1:1 like you suggest that fucking early.  NEVER! 

    Which makes sense because what happens after only 2 mins of the first qtr means little 95% of the time, yet the line the books offered made no fucking sense other than to bait people.

    Keep in mind what -13.5 looks like for the Browns ML so don't tell me the juice makes up for that live Browns ML.  Being down 7-0 for the Browns is nothing at that moment.  It was 1 fluke run too.  Not an 8 min dominating drive by the 49ers.  1 fluke 80+yard run.  There was zero justiication for the books to offer -13.5 at 13 mins of the 1st qtr for a pregame line of -5.  NONE.  Unless the books knew something none of us knew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSquare:

    "Shortly after the 49ers who were ONLY a -5 favorite got off to a quick 7-0 lead the live line was a ridiculous -13.5 with like 13 mins still in the 1st qtr!!" The "math" checks out. It's about ball park. The mathematical formula would be: ((The favorite's score, San Fran) - (Dog score, Browns)) + Spread + (premium) = live spread In this case: (7-0) + 5 = 12  Since you saw 13.5, the premium was 1.5 points. The "premium" was 1.5 points due to it being early in the game and will vary based on the time left. As the game progresses, the live spread will contain less and less of a "premium." That is why later on in the game, the live betting is always giving you a live spread with the formula of: ((The favorite's score, San Fran) - (Dog score, Browns)) - (1/2) For example, in the 3rd quarter when the score was 28-3 San Fran, the live line was probably +24.5. In the 4th quarter when the score was 31-3, the live spread was probably +27.5. This encourages chasing and people who are greedy who want to lay the points. The majority of the time, these are LOSING bets with HIGH juice. The juice attached to most live spread's and O/U's are higher than the standard -110. As with the stock market, you have to "assume" that there are equal parties on BOTH ends that are taking the points and laying the points at various points in hopes of more scoring by the losing/winning team to secure a winning bet. In the end, the books don't care. As long as there is a person laying the points and a person taking the points, the books collect the juice.

    Sorry, you are wrong with your formula.  I mentioned many times that I specifically look at live lines each and every week for a play like tonight early.  Never have I gotten a live line like what was offered tonight.  NEVER.  The books never weigh the score 1:1 like you suggest that fucking early.  NEVER! 

    Which makes sense because what happens after only 2 mins of the first qtr means little 95% of the time, yet the line the books offered made no fucking sense other than to bait people.

    Keep in mind what -13.5 looks like for the Browns ML so don't tell me the juice makes up for that live Browns ML.  Being down 7-0 for the Browns is nothing at that moment.  It was 1 fluke run too.  Not an 8 min dominating drive by the 49ers.  1 fluke 80+yard run.  There was zero justiication for the books to offer -13.5 at 13 mins of the 1st qtr for a pregame line of -5.  NONE.  Unless the books knew something none of us knew.

     
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    You need professional help. It's all rigged because you saw a live line that you thought was off. But it wasn't. The live line you saw was spot on. If you think you could do it better, apply for a job at a bookie and tell them your cockamamie story and see how you get on. They'll tell you it's all done with the help of computer algorithms and laugh at you.

    You're a clown. Just like people who say, oh it was rigged because that kicker missed a FG and I lost my first half over bet. Just because you degenerates bet on every little possible thing in a game you see fixes on every play. Get a life. And I'll bet you are lying anyway, you probably saw that big 13.5 points that you said was too generous gobbled it up and got burnt.

    I wonder how people like you actually get by in day to day life. You need to be committed man. You sound convinced you know so much the same way a nutjob is convinced aliens kidnapped him and probed his anus or that he's the second coming of Jesus. Just stay out of the forum and let the rest of us who can pick winners enjoy it.

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    You need professional help. It's all rigged because you saw a live line that you thought was off. But it wasn't. The live line you saw was spot on. If you think you could do it better, apply for a job at a bookie and tell them your cockamamie story and see how you get on. They'll tell you it's all done with the help of computer algorithms and laugh at you.

    You're a clown. Just like people who say, oh it was rigged because that kicker missed a FG and I lost my first half over bet. Just because you degenerates bet on every little possible thing in a game you see fixes on every play. Get a life. And I'll bet you are lying anyway, you probably saw that big 13.5 points that you said was too generous gobbled it up and got burnt.

    I wonder how people like you actually get by in day to day life. You need to be committed man. You sound convinced you know so much the same way a nutjob is convinced aliens kidnapped him and probed his anus or that he's the second coming of Jesus. Just stay out of the forum and let the rest of us who can pick winners enjoy it.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:

    You need professional help. It's all rigged because you saw a live line that you thought was off. But it wasn't. The live line you saw was spot on. If you think you could do it better, apply for a job at a bookie and tell them your cockamamie story and see how you get on. They'll tell you it's all done with the help of computer algorithms and laugh at you. You're a clown. Just like people who say, oh it was rigged because that kicker missed a FG and I lost my first half over bet. Just because you degenerates bet on every little possible thing in a game you see fixes on every play. Get a life. And I'll bet you are lying anyway, you probably saw that big 13.5 points that you said was too generous gobbled it up and got burnt. I wonder how people like you actually get by in day to day life. You need to be committed man. You sound convinced you know so much the same way a nutjob is convinced aliens kidnapped him and probed his anus or that he's the second coming of Jesus. Just stay out of the forum and let the rest of us who can pick winners enjoy it.

    Your poor reading comprehension makes me believe you are the degenerate here.  I check the live lines each and every week.  There was nothing normal about this live line, you dunce!   Deny it all you want.  Sharp money was hard on the 49ers.  The Browns were a heavy public bet.  The books baiting for more public money at the 13 min mark of the 1st fucking qtr when the score was 7-0! 

    THIS FUCKING LINE WAS PROOF OF INSIDER TRADING FROM THE BOOKS!  Too bad you are too stupid or corrupt to tell the difference.  

    LOL all done with computer algorithms.  What a joke of a response.  I build software for a living you clown.  Don't think you can pull that shit over my eyes and I'll just let it slide.  Some shitty algorithms may be able to choose lines pregame but live lines are not made from some algorithm.  WTF?  Show me proof of that shit and you fucking can't!   Show me how an algorithm can account from the many, many variables of a live game in real-time so accurately and profitably?  Where is your research data that this exists other than this fairy tale from the mouth of books everywhere?

     

    And read my fucking comments you retard!  I am a gigantic 49er fan and I said before the season started this team was good and would win the NFC west and that they have a top 3 DLine all before anyone knew you fucking low IQ moron.  No way in hell would I have taken the Browns.  This is why I was able to see how rigged this shit was because I have objectivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:

    You need professional help. It's all rigged because you saw a live line that you thought was off. But it wasn't. The live line you saw was spot on. If you think you could do it better, apply for a job at a bookie and tell them your cockamamie story and see how you get on. They'll tell you it's all done with the help of computer algorithms and laugh at you. You're a clown. Just like people who say, oh it was rigged because that kicker missed a FG and I lost my first half over bet. Just because you degenerates bet on every little possible thing in a game you see fixes on every play. Get a life. And I'll bet you are lying anyway, you probably saw that big 13.5 points that you said was too generous gobbled it up and got burnt. I wonder how people like you actually get by in day to day life. You need to be committed man. You sound convinced you know so much the same way a nutjob is convinced aliens kidnapped him and probed his anus or that he's the second coming of Jesus. Just stay out of the forum and let the rest of us who can pick winners enjoy it.

    Your poor reading comprehension makes me believe you are the degenerate here.  I check the live lines each and every week.  There was nothing normal about this live line, you dunce!   Deny it all you want.  Sharp money was hard on the 49ers.  The Browns were a heavy public bet.  The books baiting for more public money at the 13 min mark of the 1st fucking qtr when the score was 7-0! 

    THIS FUCKING LINE WAS PROOF OF INSIDER TRADING FROM THE BOOKS!  Too bad you are too stupid or corrupt to tell the difference.  

    LOL all done with computer algorithms.  What a joke of a response.  I build software for a living you clown.  Don't think you can pull that shit over my eyes and I'll just let it slide.  Some shitty algorithms may be able to choose lines pregame but live lines are not made from some algorithm.  WTF?  Show me proof of that shit and you fucking can't!   Show me how an algorithm can account from the many, many variables of a live game in real-time so accurately and profitably?  Where is your research data that this exists other than this fairy tale from the mouth of books everywhere?

     

    And read my fucking comments you retard!  I am a gigantic 49er fan and I said before the season started this team was good and would win the NFC west and that they have a top 3 DLine all before anyone knew you fucking low IQ moron.  No way in hell would I have taken the Browns.  This is why I was able to see how rigged this shit was because I have objectivity.

     
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    I follow live lines a lot and was quite surprised when I saw it at -13.5. Although I had a fair bit on the 49ers pre game (so I wasn’t looking for a betting angle) but was merely following the game on my betting app since I was unable to tune in for the first half. When the 49ers scored I was excepting the line to be at around -10.5 or 11.5 but not 13.5.

    Now I’m not saying that I believe the game was rigged but nothing surprises me anymore in any walk of life. 

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    I follow live lines a lot and was quite surprised when I saw it at -13.5. Although I had a fair bit on the 49ers pre game (so I wasn’t looking for a betting angle) but was merely following the game on my betting app since I was unable to tune in for the first half. When the 49ers scored I was excepting the line to be at around -10.5 or 11.5 but not 13.5.

    Now I’m not saying that I believe the game was rigged but nothing surprises me anymore in any walk of life. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 4:33 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    The NFL is rigged.  100%. 

    Are you kidding?

    Our life is rigged. 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    The NFL is rigged.  100%. 

    Are you kidding?

    Our life is rigged. 100%.

     
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    1) For those who believe the NFL is ridged, good luck to you in your quest to find the weekly FIX and be on the right side.

    2) For those who believe the NFL is legit, congratulations to you for being able to enjoy the game even if you have no money on it.

     

    Nowadays, I enjoy NCCAF more than the NFL. I like NCCAB more than the NBA. I also find it easier to make picks and make money with College Balls than with the Pros.

     

    Every day out of the red is a big win.
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    1) For those who believe the NFL is ridged, good luck to you in your quest to find the weekly FIX and be on the right side.

    2) For those who believe the NFL is legit, congratulations to you for being able to enjoy the game even if you have no money on it.

     

    Nowadays, I enjoy NCCAF more than the NFL. I like NCCAB more than the NBA. I also find it easier to make picks and make money with College Balls than with the Pros.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 5:14 AM ET #13

    and the Beauty of it is, Browns should/probably beat Seattle next week. they are pushing to have everyone/ most teams end up 8-8,9-7.
    Titans blow out Browns, browns blow out Ravens.. its all bull__

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    and the Beauty of it is, Browns should/probably beat Seattle next week. they are pushing to have everyone/ most teams end up 8-8,9-7.
    Titans blow out Browns, browns blow out Ravens.. its all bull__

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 5:16 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by BCat:

    Are you kidding?

    Our life is rigged. 100%.


    get up, go to work, be tired, veg in front of tv.....weekend, do it again...
      wage slave
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCat:

    Are you kidding?

    Our life is rigged. 100%.


    get up, go to work, be tired, veg in front of tv.....weekend, do it again...
      wage slave
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 5:20 AM ET #15

    I think you need to watch more football and more live lines, did you check the live lines of the KC-IND game?  I am pretty sure I saw similar to what you call "sketchiness".

     

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    I think you need to watch more football and more live lines, did you check the live lines of the KC-IND game?  I am pretty sure I saw similar to what you call "sketchiness".

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:

    You need professional help. It's all rigged because you saw a live line that you thought was off. But it wasn't. The live line you saw was spot on. If you think you could do it better, apply for a job at a bookie and tell them your cockamamie story and see how you get on. They'll tell you it's all done with the help of computer algorithms and laugh at you.

    You're a clown. Just like people who say, oh it was rigged because that kicker missed a FG and I lost my first half over bet. Just because you degenerates bet on every little possible thing in a game you see fixes on every play. Get a life. And I'll bet you are lying anyway, you probably saw that big 13.5 points that you said was too generous gobbled it up and got burnt.

    I wonder how people like you actually get by in day to day life. You need to be committed man. You sound convinced you know so much the same way a nutjob is convinced aliens kidnapped him and probed his anus or that he's the second coming of Jesus. Just stay out of the forum and let the rest of us who can pick winners enjoy it.



    i'm sorry to   say this to stranger on the internet. But youre saying you are one of those misguided fools who thins this was a simple accident?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:

    You need professional help. It's all rigged because you saw a live line that you thought was off. But it wasn't. The live line you saw was spot on. If you think you could do it better, apply for a job at a bookie and tell them your cockamamie story and see how you get on. They'll tell you it's all done with the help of computer algorithms and laugh at you.

    You're a clown. Just like people who say, oh it was rigged because that kicker missed a FG and I lost my first half over bet. Just because you degenerates bet on every little possible thing in a game you see fixes on every play. Get a life. And I'll bet you are lying anyway, you probably saw that big 13.5 points that you said was too generous gobbled it up and got burnt.

    I wonder how people like you actually get by in day to day life. You need to be committed man. You sound convinced you know so much the same way a nutjob is convinced aliens kidnapped him and probed his anus or that he's the second coming of Jesus. Just stay out of the forum and let the rest of us who can pick winners enjoy it.



    i'm sorry to   say this to stranger on the internet. But youre saying you are one of those misguided fools who thins this was a simple accident?
    https://media1.tenor.com/images/7a4ea5b25ff203b59d7acb15605e9b6d/tenor.gif?itemid=4958520
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Punch_:

    I think you need to watch more football and more live lines, did you check the live lines of the KC-IND game?  I am pretty sure I saw similar to what you call "sketchiness".

     


    lol it doesnt matter how you try to defend the crap.
    this is how simple it is=  in the real world, if the games were pure and natural.. multiple games every weekend would not come down to the final play/minute/drive. inning/ shot etc.
     in the world more games would be decided by third qtr. .

    common sense is dead in America. Youre watching the ultimate reality tv show. not a competition
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Punch_:

    I think you need to watch more football and more live lines, did you check the live lines of the KC-IND game?  I am pretty sure I saw similar to what you call "sketchiness".

     


    lol it doesnt matter how you try to defend the crap.
    this is how simple it is=  in the real world, if the games were pure and natural.. multiple games every weekend would not come down to the final play/minute/drive. inning/ shot etc.
     in the world more games would be decided by third qtr. .

    common sense is dead in America. Youre watching the ultimate reality tv show. not a competition
     
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    I used to play a lot of live lines and -13.5 after one 49er possession (eventhough they scored a TD) and on the second Browns possession is insane. I don't know your book, but that is a wild line. Your book was begging Browns backers to load up on that. 

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    I used to play a lot of live lines and -13.5 after one 49er possession (eventhough they scored a TD) and on the second Browns possession is insane. I don't know your book, but that is a wild line. Your book was begging Browns backers to load up on that. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 6:25 AM ET #19

    It's finally nice to see more people are becoming WOKE!

    6K GOLD/$150 SILVER/ Find JESUS! Yes, I'm a sinner!!
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    It's finally nice to see more people are becoming WOKE!

     
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    I agree it's all rigged. I'm just a bored fool that keeps betting, quitting, then coming back to bet again because I've been doing this since the 80's. I lost 2k two weeks ago on a single call in the Rams-Saints game. I had the Saints +3 1st-H, The Saints return a fumble for a TD, at first the ref's claim that the Rams QB threw an incomplete pass, after reviewing it, it was clearly a fumble, there wasn't a Ram in sight that could catch the Saint player that ran the ball to the end zone. With just over a minute left in the fist half,I would've been up 10-3, making my lead 10-3. Instead they give the Saints the ball in their own territory,negating my 7 pt. cushion. The Saints move the ball momentarily then "Mr.Fix the game himself" Sean Payton decides to go for it at his own 49 yard line on 4th & 1, they give the ball to Alvin Kamara (who's more of an outside cutter type.) up the middle for no gain. Rams get the ball, Gurley runs 25 yards on the first play already in field goal range. Then before you blink they're in the red zone. Before time expires they kick a field goal and go in at the half up 6-3, i'm fucking dead on a straight pick and a parlay ticket behind one call. Tell me that's all just a coincidence? Just like Sunday night Chief's game I called the play when the Chief's had a 4th and inches, (I said watch these fuckers go straight up the middle) sure enough they did and the Colts line stuffed them for a 2 yard loss. If I know this shyt, I know damn well the coaches and those fucking WWE announcers know it. One day I'll find an angle and monetize it to the max. Sports is nothing but 100% corruption this is why I stand with college athletes getting paid.

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    I agree it's all rigged. I'm just a bored fool that keeps betting, quitting, then coming back to bet again because I've been doing this since the 80's. I lost 2k two weeks ago on a single call in the Rams-Saints game. I had the Saints +3 1st-H, The Saints return a fumble for a TD, at first the ref's claim that the Rams QB threw an incomplete pass, after reviewing it, it was clearly a fumble, there wasn't a Ram in sight that could catch the Saint player that ran the ball to the end zone. With just over a minute left in the fist half,I would've been up 10-3, making my lead 10-3. Instead they give the Saints the ball in their own territory,negating my 7 pt. cushion. The Saints move the ball momentarily then "Mr.Fix the game himself" Sean Payton decides to go for it at his own 49 yard line on 4th & 1, they give the ball to Alvin Kamara (who's more of an outside cutter type.) up the middle for no gain. Rams get the ball, Gurley runs 25 yards on the first play already in field goal range. Then before you blink they're in the red zone. Before time expires they kick a field goal and go in at the half up 6-3, i'm fucking dead on a straight pick and a parlay ticket behind one call. Tell me that's all just a coincidence? Just like Sunday night Chief's game I called the play when the Chief's had a 4th and inches, (I said watch these fuckers go straight up the middle) sure enough they did and the Colts line stuffed them for a 2 yard loss. If I know this shyt, I know damn well the coaches and those fucking WWE announcers know it. One day I'll find an angle and monetize it to the max. Sports is nothing but 100% corruption this is why I stand with college athletes getting paid.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 8:17 AM ET #21

    I can not find where you posted your in-game wager   Also
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    I can not find where you posted your in-game wager   Also
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 9:02 AM ET #22

    Seen this before my brother. How about couple weeks ago jags vs Denver game. The score was 17-6 Denver and live line at halftime was +2.5 (same as game line). I have seen some very fishy live lines before
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    Seen this before my brother. How about couple weeks ago jags vs Denver game. The score was 17-6 Denver and live line at halftime was +2.5 (same as game line). I have seen some very fishy live lines before
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 9:30 AM ET #23

    You got one hell of a good imagination.
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    You got one hell of a good imagination.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 9:40 AM ET #24

    How would it take anyone this long 


    The NFL has been fixed for almost 20 years now 
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    How would it take anyone this long 


    The NFL has been fixed for almost 20 years now 
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 10:05 AM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by BCat:

    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    The NFL is rigged.  100%. 
    Are you kidding? Our life is rigged. 100%.
    the most simple yet truest post in this thread. 

    Stodi, if you won on 49ers knowing it was rigged, I think as a fan that hurt your ego as you saw they tried to pull wool over your eyes...... but as a bettor you should be able to put that ego aside, and accept that life is rigged in itself. And just use the knowledge to your advantage like other wise cappers do 

    Just think of it this way...you take the right side that is going to win then you don't need to see it as a gamble, but rather a sure bet. Since you're on the right side. Being totally rigged (and you knowing this) means that the gamble is being taken out of the game. 

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCat:

    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    The NFL is rigged.  100%. 
    Are you kidding? Our life is rigged. 100%.
    the most simple yet truest post in this thread. 

    Stodi, if you won on 49ers knowing it was rigged, I think as a fan that hurt your ego as you saw they tried to pull wool over your eyes...... but as a bettor you should be able to put that ego aside, and accept that life is rigged in itself. And just use the knowledge to your advantage like other wise cappers do 

    Just think of it this way...you take the right side that is going to win then you don't need to see it as a gamble, but rather a sure bet. Since you're on the right side. Being totally rigged (and you knowing this) means that the gamble is being taken out of the game. 

     

     

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