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    Keep in mind, I made money on the 49ers. Tonight I am convinced it's a scam

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    Dimes28
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 10:05 AM ET #26

    VEGAS COULD CARE LESS ABOUT SMALL LIVE BETS. 

    Pre game bets outweigh live bets by TONS. not even close. You think they are fixing the game for the live bettors???? lol come on broooo. they don’t allow you to make any substantial bets on live games.

    And ya i agree w some above that 5+7=12, 13.5 isn’t as far off as you think. 
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    VEGAS COULD CARE LESS ABOUT SMALL LIVE BETS. 

    Pre game bets outweigh live bets by TONS. not even close. You think they are fixing the game for the live bettors???? lol come on broooo. they don’t allow you to make any substantial bets on live games.

    And ya i agree w some above that 5+7=12, 13.5 isn’t as far off as you think. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 10:12 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAINOFTHOUGHT:

    I agree it's all rigged. I'm just a bored fool that keeps betting, quitting, then coming back to bet again because I've been doing this since the 80's. I lost 2k two weeks ago on a single call in the Rams-Saints game. I had the Saints +3 1st-H, The Saints return a fumble for a TD, at first the ref's claim that the Rams QB threw an incomplete pass, after reviewing it, it was clearly a fumble, there wasn't a Ram in sight that could catch the Saint player that ran the ball to the end zone. With just over a minute left in the fist half,I would've been up 10-3, making my lead 10-3. Instead they give the Saints the ball in their own territory,negating my 7 pt. cushion. The Saints move the ball momentarily then "Mr.Fix the game himself" Sean Payton decides to go for it at his own 49 yard line on 4th & 1, they give the ball to Alvin Kamara (who's more of an outside cutter type.) up the middle for no gain. Rams get the ball, Gurley runs 25 yards on the first play already in field goal range. Then before you blink they're in the red zone. Before time expires they kick a field goal and go in at the half up 6-3, i'm fucking dead on a straight pick and a parlay ticket behind one call. Tell me that's all just a coincidence? Just like Sunday night Chief's game I called the play when the Chief's had a 4th and inches, (I said watch these fuckers go straight up the middle) sure enough they did and the Colts line stuffed them for a 2 yard loss. If I know this shyt, I know damn well the coaches and those fucking WWE announcers know it. One day I'll find an angle and monetize it to the max. Sports is nothing but 100% corruption this is why I stand with college athletes getting paid.
    you didn't lose 2k...as technically you never won. Your saints play pushed so your bet should be refunded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAINOFTHOUGHT:

    I agree it's all rigged. I'm just a bored fool that keeps betting, quitting, then coming back to bet again because I've been doing this since the 80's. I lost 2k two weeks ago on a single call in the Rams-Saints game. I had the Saints +3 1st-H, The Saints return a fumble for a TD, at first the ref's claim that the Rams QB threw an incomplete pass, after reviewing it, it was clearly a fumble, there wasn't a Ram in sight that could catch the Saint player that ran the ball to the end zone. With just over a minute left in the fist half,I would've been up 10-3, making my lead 10-3. Instead they give the Saints the ball in their own territory,negating my 7 pt. cushion. The Saints move the ball momentarily then "Mr.Fix the game himself" Sean Payton decides to go for it at his own 49 yard line on 4th & 1, they give the ball to Alvin Kamara (who's more of an outside cutter type.) up the middle for no gain. Rams get the ball, Gurley runs 25 yards on the first play already in field goal range. Then before you blink they're in the red zone. Before time expires they kick a field goal and go in at the half up 6-3, i'm fucking dead on a straight pick and a parlay ticket behind one call. Tell me that's all just a coincidence? Just like Sunday night Chief's game I called the play when the Chief's had a 4th and inches, (I said watch these fuckers go straight up the middle) sure enough they did and the Colts line stuffed them for a 2 yard loss. If I know this shyt, I know damn well the coaches and those fucking WWE announcers know it. One day I'll find an angle and monetize it to the max. Sports is nothing but 100% corruption this is why I stand with college athletes getting paid.
    you didn't lose 2k...as technically you never won. Your saints play pushed so your bet should be refunded?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 10:22 AM ET #28

    I mAdE mOney ON ThIS GAME So iF i SAY It'S fIxED THEN I'm riGhT

    oh My gOD THE LiVE BeTTing Line is oFF THiS NEver HAppENs THE onlY CONClUSion MY tINY Brain can MAke Is thaT it's fIxED




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    I mAdE mOney ON ThIS GAME So iF i SAY It'S fIxED THEN I'm riGhT

    oh My gOD THE LiVE BeTTing Line is oFF THiS NEver HAppENs THE onlY CONClUSion MY tINY Brain can MAke Is thaT it's fIxED




     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 11:01 AM ET #29

    Agree, I reacted to the line as well. The books really wanted the Browns money. 

    A big jump like that so early in the game is not normal. If you think about it this way, in MLB if a favorite takes the lead in the first inning then the odds for the favorite will not drop that much like it would if it was in the last inning. So the -13,5 was a little too much so early in the game. I think it should have been -11.5 which should have been more "normal" and logical.

    As a rule, if the line will jump like yesterday, then always go with the team like 49ers yesterday. Why? Because the books have too much risk on 49ers so they will beg the public to pound the Browns so their risk on 49ers will be less. This means that there is serious money on 49ers. 

    I have worked as a bookie for a company which is owned by one of the leading European sites so Im not talking shit. We did work with live betting mainly and it all is about risk. The bookies follow the market, if you're not following the market and go under the market then everybody will buy from you and you will end up with a BIG risk which you dont want. If you have a lot of risk then you want people to buy from the other side to even up and minimize the risk. So as I wrote earlier, if its an abnormal change then keep in mind that the other side have big money and you want to follow the big money. 

    Pre-game odds is set by the big bookies and the rest will follow the odds so they dont get fucked. You dont see one bookie offering -7 and another -3 on the same game, then obviously everybody will buy from -3 and buy +7 from the other site. Then the site with the line at 3 will increase the line to get more action on the dog. The market will then adjust at for instance 6.5 since the +7 site have a lot of dog lovers and need the money on the favorite as well. Hope this makes sense. Im sorry English is not my first language.

    Thats my thoughts about last game and I hade 49ers -4,5 and U47,5 an_cheers

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    Agree, I reacted to the line as well. The books really wanted the Browns money. 

    A big jump like that so early in the game is not normal. If you think about it this way, in MLB if a favorite takes the lead in the first inning then the odds for the favorite will not drop that much like it would if it was in the last inning. So the -13,5 was a little too much so early in the game. I think it should have been -11.5 which should have been more "normal" and logical.

    As a rule, if the line will jump like yesterday, then always go with the team like 49ers yesterday. Why? Because the books have too much risk on 49ers so they will beg the public to pound the Browns so their risk on 49ers will be less. This means that there is serious money on 49ers. 

    I have worked as a bookie for a company which is owned by one of the leading European sites so Im not talking shit. We did work with live betting mainly and it all is about risk. The bookies follow the market, if you're not following the market and go under the market then everybody will buy from you and you will end up with a BIG risk which you dont want. If you have a lot of risk then you want people to buy from the other side to even up and minimize the risk. So as I wrote earlier, if its an abnormal change then keep in mind that the other side have big money and you want to follow the big money. 

    Pre-game odds is set by the big bookies and the rest will follow the odds so they dont get fucked. You dont see one bookie offering -7 and another -3 on the same game, then obviously everybody will buy from -3 and buy +7 from the other site. Then the site with the line at 3 will increase the line to get more action on the dog. The market will then adjust at for instance 6.5 since the +7 site have a lot of dog lovers and need the money on the favorite as well. Hope this makes sense. Im sorry English is not my first language.

    Thats my thoughts about last game and I hade 49ers -4,5 and U47,5 an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 11:48 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:

    I mAdE mOney ON ThIS GAME So iF i SAY It'S fIxED THEN I'm riGhToh My gOD THE LiVE BeTTing Line is oFF THiS NEver HAppENs THE onlY CONClUSion MY tINY Brain can MAke Is thaT it's fIxED
    Amazing isn't it?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:

    I mAdE mOney ON ThIS GAME So iF i SAY It'S fIxED THEN I'm riGhToh My gOD THE LiVE BeTTing Line is oFF THiS NEver HAppENs THE onlY CONClUSion MY tINY Brain can MAke Is thaT it's fIxED
    Amazing isn't it?

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 12:25 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:

    You need professional help. It's all rigged because you saw a live line that you thought was off. But it wasn't. The live line you saw was spot on. If you think you could do it better, apply for a job at a bookie and tell them your cockamamie story and see how you get on. They'll tell you it's all done with the help of computer algorithms and laugh at you. You're a clown. Just like people who say, oh it was rigged because that kicker missed a FG and I lost my first half over bet. Just because you degenerates bet on every little possible thing in a game you see fixes on every play. Get a life. And I'll bet you are lying anyway, you probably saw that big 13.5 points that you said was too generous gobbled it up and got burnt. I wonder how people like you actually get by in day to day life. You need to be committed man. You sound convinced you know so much the same way a nutjob is convinced aliens kidnapped him and probed his anus or that he's the second coming of Jesus. Just stay out of the forum and let the rest of us who can pick winners enjoy it.
    i'm sorry to   say this to stranger on the internet. But youre saying you are one of those misguided fools who thins this was a simple accident?https://media1.tenor.com/images/7a4ea5b25ff203b59d7acb15605e9b6d/tenor.gif?itemid=4958520https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/usp_nfl__nfc_wild_card-seattle_seahawks_at_minneso_78765116.jpg?w=1000
     

    exactly this league is a reality show 

    good one 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:

    You need professional help. It's all rigged because you saw a live line that you thought was off. But it wasn't. The live line you saw was spot on. If you think you could do it better, apply for a job at a bookie and tell them your cockamamie story and see how you get on. They'll tell you it's all done with the help of computer algorithms and laugh at you. You're a clown. Just like people who say, oh it was rigged because that kicker missed a FG and I lost my first half over bet. Just because you degenerates bet on every little possible thing in a game you see fixes on every play. Get a life. And I'll bet you are lying anyway, you probably saw that big 13.5 points that you said was too generous gobbled it up and got burnt. I wonder how people like you actually get by in day to day life. You need to be committed man. You sound convinced you know so much the same way a nutjob is convinced aliens kidnapped him and probed his anus or that he's the second coming of Jesus. Just stay out of the forum and let the rest of us who can pick winners enjoy it.
    i'm sorry to   say this to stranger on the internet. But youre saying you are one of those misguided fools who thins this was a simple accident?https://media1.tenor.com/images/7a4ea5b25ff203b59d7acb15605e9b6d/tenor.gif?itemid=4958520https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/usp_nfl__nfc_wild_card-seattle_seahawks_at_minneso_78765116.jpg?w=1000
     

    exactly this league is a reality show 

    good one 

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 12:37 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    Worked for big local years ago it is impossible to fix any nfl game these are millionaires playing refs are not known until game day if any ref is spotted taking cash before or after any game whoaaa be him sorry for bad typos I’m on mobile


    Can someone interpret this for me?......

    Is he saying that all the referees are millionaires? ...

    Is he saying that they keep the referees for the game secret up until game day so that they can't be bribed?...

    Is he saying that a referee would be "spotted" taking cash before or after a game?...

    So much to decipher from one simple paragraph...but this mystery is dwarfed by the mystery of "Is the NFL just a scripted reality show?"...Let's take a look at one very important aspect of this theory..most likely the MOST important aspect of keeping a conspiracy a secret...

    How many people can keep a secret?...the old tried and true answer to this is "Two, if one of them are dead."...and the reason this is true is a foundational principle of human nature....

    Sigmund Freud spend his entire life working with people...broken people...learning their secrets, interpreting their behaviors...his conclusion?

    “No mortal can keep a secret. If his lips are silent, he chatters with his finger-tips; betrayal oozes out of him at every pore.”

    Science has tested his observations...what has science found?...

    1.  Keeping a secret requires constant effort. In one recent study, subjects asked to conceal their sexual orientation in an interview performed worse on a spatial-ability task, reacted more rudely to criticism, and gave up sooner in a test of hand grip endurance.

    2.  The bigger the secret, the harder it is to keep. Another study found that subjects asked to recall a meaningful secret perceived hills to be steeper and distances to be longer than those asked to recall a trivial secret. When researchers requested help moving books from their lab, the subjects harboring meaningful secrets lifted fewer stacks.

    3.  All of that mental exertion might actually wear a body down: research shows an association between keeping an emotionally charged secret and ailments ranging from the common cold to chronic diseases.

    4.  Other evidence in favor of telling secrets includes multiple studies showing that writing about a traumatic experience can boost the immune system and the finding that teens who confide in a parent or close friend report fewer physical complaints and less delinquent behavior, loneliness, and depression than those who sit on their secrets.

    5.  One reason secret keeping is such hard work is that secrets, like unwanted thoughts, tend to take up more brain space the more one tries not to think about them.

    Finally, the phrase "The truth will set you free."...such a short sentence but it literally sums up the reason that people cannot keep a secret.  What is the greatest fear that people have?...Some say public speaking...others say death or suffering...NO...

    The actual greatest fear of literally everyone is humiliation and judgement...and the reason it is so strong in EVERYONE is that it is bonded to our earliest memories and experiences of childhood.

    This experiment illustrates the connection between secrecy and lying in early childhood...

    “During these experiments a child is led into a laboratory and asked to face one of the walls. The experimenter then explains that he is going to set up an elaborate toy a few feet behind the child. After setting up the toy, the experimenter explains that he has to leave the laboratory and asks the child not to turn around and peek at the toy. The child is secretly filmed by hidden cameras for a few minutes, and then the experimenter returns and asks the child whether he or she peeked. Almost all three-year-olds do, and then half of them lie about it to the experimenter. By the time the children have reached the age of five, all of them peek and all of them lie.”

    An amazing commentary about this experiment...

    "Curiosity is the life force that drives us to crawl, stand, walk, learn, and dream. Love, curiosity, and creativity don’t exist in the same perspective as rules, beliefs, and secrets. We can’t hold two contradictory thoughts in mind at one time. What the children lacked was the ability to predict that someone would ask them if they peeked. They lacked the belief that they could be judged."

    5 year olds know they can be judged...and it carries over to adulthood and drives almost every key decision...including hiding a secret.

    Based on this single concept alone, I conclude there is no league wide conspiracy to manipulate the scores or outcomes of games.

    There are literally hundreds of other reasons as well that disprove this theory of conspiracy...please tap the brakes on this for your own mental health, my friends...


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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    Worked for big local years ago it is impossible to fix any nfl game these are millionaires playing refs are not known until game day if any ref is spotted taking cash before or after any game whoaaa be him sorry for bad typos I’m on mobile


    Can someone interpret this for me?......

    Is he saying that all the referees are millionaires? ...

    Is he saying that they keep the referees for the game secret up until game day so that they can't be bribed?...

    Is he saying that a referee would be "spotted" taking cash before or after a game?...

    So much to decipher from one simple paragraph...but this mystery is dwarfed by the mystery of "Is the NFL just a scripted reality show?"...Let's take a look at one very important aspect of this theory..most likely the MOST important aspect of keeping a conspiracy a secret...

    How many people can keep a secret?...the old tried and true answer to this is "Two, if one of them are dead."...and the reason this is true is a foundational principle of human nature....

    Sigmund Freud spend his entire life working with people...broken people...learning their secrets, interpreting their behaviors...his conclusion?

    “No mortal can keep a secret. If his lips are silent, he chatters with his finger-tips; betrayal oozes out of him at every pore.”

    Science has tested his observations...what has science found?...

    1.  Keeping a secret requires constant effort. In one recent study, subjects asked to conceal their sexual orientation in an interview performed worse on a spatial-ability task, reacted more rudely to criticism, and gave up sooner in a test of hand grip endurance.

    2.  The bigger the secret, the harder it is to keep. Another study found that subjects asked to recall a meaningful secret perceived hills to be steeper and distances to be longer than those asked to recall a trivial secret. When researchers requested help moving books from their lab, the subjects harboring meaningful secrets lifted fewer stacks.

    3.  All of that mental exertion might actually wear a body down: research shows an association between keeping an emotionally charged secret and ailments ranging from the common cold to chronic diseases.

    4.  Other evidence in favor of telling secrets includes multiple studies showing that writing about a traumatic experience can boost the immune system and the finding that teens who confide in a parent or close friend report fewer physical complaints and less delinquent behavior, loneliness, and depression than those who sit on their secrets.

    5.  One reason secret keeping is such hard work is that secrets, like unwanted thoughts, tend to take up more brain space the more one tries not to think about them.

    Finally, the phrase "The truth will set you free."...such a short sentence but it literally sums up the reason that people cannot keep a secret.  What is the greatest fear that people have?...Some say public speaking...others say death or suffering...NO...

    The actual greatest fear of literally everyone is humiliation and judgement...and the reason it is so strong in EVERYONE is that it is bonded to our earliest memories and experiences of childhood.

    This experiment illustrates the connection between secrecy and lying in early childhood...

    “During these experiments a child is led into a laboratory and asked to face one of the walls. The experimenter then explains that he is going to set up an elaborate toy a few feet behind the child. After setting up the toy, the experimenter explains that he has to leave the laboratory and asks the child not to turn around and peek at the toy. The child is secretly filmed by hidden cameras for a few minutes, and then the experimenter returns and asks the child whether he or she peeked. Almost all three-year-olds do, and then half of them lie about it to the experimenter. By the time the children have reached the age of five, all of them peek and all of them lie.”

    An amazing commentary about this experiment...

    "Curiosity is the life force that drives us to crawl, stand, walk, learn, and dream. Love, curiosity, and creativity don’t exist in the same perspective as rules, beliefs, and secrets. We can’t hold two contradictory thoughts in mind at one time. What the children lacked was the ability to predict that someone would ask them if they peeked. They lacked the belief that they could be judged."

    5 year olds know they can be judged...and it carries over to adulthood and drives almost every key decision...including hiding a secret.

    Based on this single concept alone, I conclude there is no league wide conspiracy to manipulate the scores or outcomes of games.

    There are literally hundreds of other reasons as well that disprove this theory of conspiracy...please tap the brakes on this for your own mental health, my friends...


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    Worked for big local years ago it is impossible to fix any nfl game these are millionaires playing refs are not known until game day if any ref is spotted taking cash before or after any game whoaaa be him sorry for bad typos I’m on mobile
    Can someone interpret this for me?......Is he saying that all the referees are millionaires? ... Is he saying that they keep the referees for the game secret up until game day so that they can't be bribed?... etc

     

    Its not fixed like a huge secret group or something. Maybe some players or refs have been paid but that would be a few people and not a secret fix group of bookies. Its easier to fix games for smaller games like lower divisions and non-pros. 

    However, if the bookies see that there is too much action on a game that usually would wager for 10k total and now its 300k, then the match fixing flag would be going off and they would probably close that game for any live bets and maybe even void the game if they suspect its been a fix. So its easier to go under radar with match fixing for bigger games but it would cost you much more to buy the players that already making tons of money. But I doubt there is some big secret group involving players, coaches and refs from all teams. It would leak about that pretty fast and somebody would talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    Worked for big local years ago it is impossible to fix any nfl game these are millionaires playing refs are not known until game day if any ref is spotted taking cash before or after any game whoaaa be him sorry for bad typos I’m on mobile
    Can someone interpret this for me?......Is he saying that all the referees are millionaires? ... Is he saying that they keep the referees for the game secret up until game day so that they can't be bribed?... etc

     

    Its not fixed like a huge secret group or something. Maybe some players or refs have been paid but that would be a few people and not a secret fix group of bookies. Its easier to fix games for smaller games like lower divisions and non-pros. 

    However, if the bookies see that there is too much action on a game that usually would wager for 10k total and now its 300k, then the match fixing flag would be going off and they would probably close that game for any live bets and maybe even void the game if they suspect its been a fix. So its easier to go under radar with match fixing for bigger games but it would cost you much more to buy the players that already making tons of money. But I doubt there is some big secret group involving players, coaches and refs from all teams. It would leak about that pretty fast and somebody would talk.

     
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    All I know is,the Browns @ Mayfeild in particular looked like garbage--that slob coach with his unshaven mug and bloated belly pacing around like a fucking nitwit, to Mayfeilds bush league antics and putrid performance convince me they just flat out suck.

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    All I know is,the Browns @ Mayfeild in particular looked like garbage--that slob coach with his unshaven mug and bloated belly pacing around like a fucking nitwit, to Mayfeilds bush league antics and putrid performance convince me they just flat out suck.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by warrenator:

    All I know is,the Browns @ Mayfeild in particular looked like garbage--that slob coach with his unshaven mug and bloated belly pacing around like a fucking nitwit, to Mayfeilds bush league antics and putrid performance convince me they just flat out suck.

    Yet, odds makers anticipate them winning this Sunday by a margin of a fg with the visiting Seahawks.. confused

    Just an utter mind f*ck.. an_getaway

    "Schrödinger's bet." A bet that loses when you bet it but wins when you DON'T bet it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by warrenator:

    All I know is,the Browns @ Mayfeild in particular looked like garbage--that slob coach with his unshaven mug and bloated belly pacing around like a fucking nitwit, to Mayfeilds bush league antics and putrid performance convince me they just flat out suck.

    Yet, odds makers anticipate them winning this Sunday by a margin of a fg with the visiting Seahawks.. confused

    Just an utter mind f*ck.. an_getaway

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2019 - 1:50 PM ET #36

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1346994-nfl-green-bay-packers-seattle-seahawks-controversial-call-blows-up-twitter

    Every day out of the red is a big win.
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    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1346994-nfl-green-bay-packers-seattle-seahawks-controversial-call-blows-up-twitter

     
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    Every day out of the red is a big win.
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    Start @ 11:35, Marshall ran it to the 1

    Then they create the interception! WTF - Seattle still has a time out and you don't give the ball the Marshall Lynch????

    Every day out of the red is a big win.
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    Start @ 11:35, Marshall ran it to the 1

    Then they create the interception! WTF - Seattle still has a time out and you don't give the ball the Marshall Lynch????

     
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    Yep, the OP def took the Browns. 

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    Yep, the OP def took the Browns. 

     
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    This site would be so much better without all of these dipshit tin foil hatters.  Why does Covers attract so many?  

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    This site would be so much better without all of these dipshit tin foil hatters.  Why does Covers attract so many?  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by randuniversity:

    This site would be so much better without all of these dipshit tin foil hatters.  Why does Covers attract so many?

    Could you do me a favor and post your plays.

    Every day out of the red is a big win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randuniversity:

    This site would be so much better without all of these dipshit tin foil hatters.  Why does Covers attract so many?

    Could you do me a favor and post your plays.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    How would it take anyone this long The NFL has been fixed for almost 20 years now

    Since day one

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    How would it take anyone this long The NFL has been fixed for almost 20 years now

    Since day one

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gambling-devil:

    Quote Originally Posted by randuniversity:

    This site would be so much better without all of these dipshit tin foil hatters.  Why does Covers attract so many?
    Could you do me a favor and post your plays.

    Why bother, it's all rigged! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by gambling-devil:

    Quote Originally Posted by randuniversity:

    This site would be so much better without all of these dipshit tin foil hatters.  Why does Covers attract so many?
    Could you do me a favor and post your plays.

    Why bother, it's all rigged! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    Worked for big local years ago it is impossible to fix any nfl game these are millionaires playing refs are not known until game day if any ref is spotted taking cash before or after any game whoaaa be him sorry for bad typos I’m on mobile

     

    It's an entertainment  business.  Not a competition. Refs and players are paid so much because  they do exactly  as told by a billion dollar business. Do some better research. It's' not illegal for the league to create any outcome it wants.

    Impossible?  Are you seriously that gullible?

    Nothings makes billions by letting things play out naturally. 

     

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    Worked for big local years ago it is impossible to fix any nfl game these are millionaires playing refs are not known until game day if any ref is spotted taking cash before or after any game whoaaa be him sorry for bad typos I’m on mobile

     

    It's an entertainment  business.  Not a competition. Refs and players are paid so much because  they do exactly  as told by a billion dollar business. Do some better research. It's' not illegal for the league to create any outcome it wants.

    Impossible?  Are you seriously that gullible?

    Nothings makes billions by letting things play out naturally. 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    Worked for big lon .2.  The bigger the secret, the harder it is to keep. Another study found that subjects asked to recall a meaningful secret perceived hills to be steeper and distances to be longer than those asked to recall a trivial secret. When researchers requested help moving books from their lab, the subjects harboring meaningful secrets lifted fewer stacks.3.  All of that mental exertion might actually wear a body down: research shows an association between keeping an emotionally charged secret and ailments ranging from the common cold to chronic diseases.4.  Other evidence in favor of telling secrets includes multiple studies showing that writing about a traumatic experience can boost the immune system and the finding that teens who confide in a parent or close friend report fewer physical complaints and less delinquent behavior, loneliness, and depression than those who sit on their secrets.5.  One reason secret keeping is such hard work is that secrets, like unwanted thoughts, tend to take up more brain space the more one tries not to think about them.Finally, the phrase "The truth will set you free."...such a short sentence but it literally sums up the reason that people cannot keep a secret.  What is the greatest fear that people have?...Some say public speaking...others say death or suffering...NO...The actual greatest fear of literally everyone is humiliation and judgement...and the reason it is so strong in EVERYONE is that it is bonded to our earliest memories and experiences of childhood.This experiment illustrates the connection between secrecy and lying in early childhood...“During these experiments a child is led into a laboratory and asked to face one of the walls. The experimenter then explains that he is going to set up an elaborate toy a few feet behind the child. After setting up the toy, the experimenter explains that he has to leave the laboratory and asks the child not to turn around and peek at the toy. The child is secretly filmed by hidden cameras for a few minutes, and then the experimenter returns and asks the child whether he or she peeked. Almost all three-year-olds do, and then half of them lie about it to the experimenter. By the time the children have reached the age of five, all of them peek and all of them lie.”An amazing commentary about this experiment..."Curiosity is the life force that drives us to crawl, stand, walk, learn, and dream. Love, curiosity, and [link from unapproved source] don’t exist in the same perspective as rules, beliefs, and secrets. We can’t hold two contradictory thoughts in mind at one time. What the children lacked was the ability to predict that someone would ask them if they peeked. They lacked the belief that they could be judged."5 year olds know they can be judged...and it carries over to adulthood and drives almost every key decision...including hiding a secret.Based on this single concept alone, I conclude there is no league wide conspiracy to manipulate the scores or outcomes of games.There are literally hundreds of other reasons as well that disprove this theory of conspiracy...please tap the brakes on this for your own mental health, my friends...

     

    Lol whether a child turns around to look  at a toy,  doesn't have crap to do with a billion dollar entertainment  business. Players  and refs are paid to do  exactly  as told.  If the league tells the refs to sway the game one way or the other, nothing illegal is happening. Its' not against the law for them to get any outcome they want.

    Billions of dollars means/equals = nothing is impossible. 

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    Worked for big lon .2.  The bigger the secret, the harder it is to keep. Another study found that subjects asked to recall a meaningful secret perceived hills to be steeper and distances to be longer than those asked to recall a trivial secret. When researchers requested help moving books from their lab, the subjects harboring meaningful secrets lifted fewer stacks.3.  All of that mental exertion might actually wear a body down: research shows an association between keeping an emotionally charged secret and ailments ranging from the common cold to chronic diseases.4.  Other evidence in favor of telling secrets includes multiple studies showing that writing about a traumatic experience can boost the immune system and the finding that teens who confide in a parent or close friend report fewer physical complaints and less delinquent behavior, loneliness, and depression than those who sit on their secrets.5.  One reason secret keeping is such hard work is that secrets, like unwanted thoughts, tend to take up more brain space the more one tries not to think about them.Finally, the phrase "The truth will set you free."...such a short sentence but it literally sums up the reason that people cannot keep a secret.  What is the greatest fear that people have?...Some say public speaking...others say death or suffering...NO...The actual greatest fear of literally everyone is humiliation and judgement...and the reason it is so strong in EVERYONE is that it is bonded to our earliest memories and experiences of childhood.This experiment illustrates the connection between secrecy and lying in early childhood...“During these experiments a child is led into a laboratory and asked to face one of the walls. The experimenter then explains that he is going to set up an elaborate toy a few feet behind the child. After setting up the toy, the experimenter explains that he has to leave the laboratory and asks the child not to turn around and peek at the toy. The child is secretly filmed by hidden cameras for a few minutes, and then the experimenter returns and asks the child whether he or she peeked. Almost all three-year-olds do, and then half of them lie about it to the experimenter. By the time the children have reached the age of five, all of them peek and all of them lie.”An amazing commentary about this experiment..."Curiosity is the life force that drives us to crawl, stand, walk, learn, and dream. Love, curiosity, and [link from unapproved source] don’t exist in the same perspective as rules, beliefs, and secrets. We can’t hold two contradictory thoughts in mind at one time. What the children lacked was the ability to predict that someone would ask them if they peeked. They lacked the belief that they could be judged."5 year olds know they can be judged...and it carries over to adulthood and drives almost every key decision...including hiding a secret.Based on this single concept alone, I conclude there is no league wide conspiracy to manipulate the scores or outcomes of games.There are literally hundreds of other reasons as well that disprove this theory of conspiracy...please tap the brakes on this for your own mental health, my friends...

     

    Lol whether a child turns around to look  at a toy,  doesn't have crap to do with a billion dollar entertainment  business. Players  and refs are paid to do  exactly  as told.  If the league tells the refs to sway the game one way or the other, nothing illegal is happening. Its' not against the law for them to get any outcome they want.

    Billions of dollars means/equals = nothing is impossible. 

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

     

    It's an entertainment  business.  Not a competition. Refs and players are paid so much because  they do exactly  as told by a billion dollar business. Do some better research. It's' not illegal for the league to create any outcome it wants.

    Impossible?  Are you seriously that gullible?

    Nothings makes billions by letting things play out naturally. 

     


    You're an embarrassment to human race, no matter which account you're posting from.  You're nothing but a useless internet troll who can't handle the fact that you are an insignificant piece of crap, so you just use your feeble brain to concoct lies and stories.

    NFL being fixed would LITERALLY BE THE BIGGEST SPORTS STORY SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME, yet not one single a$$hat on the internet who states this as fact has a shred of evidence.




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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

     

    It's an entertainment  business.  Not a competition. Refs and players are paid so much because  they do exactly  as told by a billion dollar business. Do some better research. It's' not illegal for the league to create any outcome it wants.

    Impossible?  Are you seriously that gullible?

    Nothings makes billions by letting things play out naturally. 

     


    You're an embarrassment to human race, no matter which account you're posting from.  You're nothing but a useless internet troll who can't handle the fact that you are an insignificant piece of crap, so you just use your feeble brain to concoct lies and stories.

    NFL being fixed would LITERALLY BE THE BIGGEST SPORTS STORY SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME, yet not one single a$$hat on the internet who states this as fact has a shred of evidence.




     
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    If there is so called sharp money on games, why wouldn't that information be public, and therefor information someone could follow?  Can someone tell me how to track the "smart money?"  I'm not trying to be a smart ass, may sound like a dumb ass, but how did the sharps know Cleveland was that bad?  Or Baker that bad?

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    If there is so called sharp money on games, why wouldn't that information be public, and therefor information someone could follow?  Can someone tell me how to track the "smart money?"  I'm not trying to be a smart ass, may sound like a dumb ass, but how did the sharps know Cleveland was that bad?  Or Baker that bad?

     
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    No matter what happens you will say it was rigged. If Cleveland rallies and covers the spread, you would say it was rigged. If the 2nd half goes fast instead of slow you would say it was rigged. If it rains you would say it was rigged. 

    If it was indeed rigged, then you`d be able to foresee everything pre-game and you`d be a millionaire. That is the precise proof that this shit ain`t rigged. 

    Glad you cashed your $3 bet on the 9ers

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    No matter what happens you will say it was rigged. If Cleveland rallies and covers the spread, you would say it was rigged. If the 2nd half goes fast instead of slow you would say it was rigged. If it rains you would say it was rigged. 

    If it was indeed rigged, then you`d be able to foresee everything pre-game and you`d be a millionaire. That is the precise proof that this shit ain`t rigged. 

    Glad you cashed your $3 bet on the 9ers

     
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    BTW what has happened is that we all have underestimated the 9ers. Those shitty niners. I am the guiltiest person out there of doing this. Why? Because we generally handicap on the main names... Wilson, Gurley, Julio, Hopkins, Ertz, but we forget to analyze the fat SOBs whose names most people don`t even know.  

    Truth be told, in retrospect, this game was simple to foresee, 9ers D line vs that morbid O line from Cleveland. Yet the OBJ-Landry hype still clinged for most bettors who forget that this game is and will always be determined in the trenches. 

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    BTW what has happened is that we all have underestimated the 9ers. Those shitty niners. I am the guiltiest person out there of doing this. Why? Because we generally handicap on the main names... Wilson, Gurley, Julio, Hopkins, Ertz, but we forget to analyze the fat SOBs whose names most people don`t even know.  

    Truth be told, in retrospect, this game was simple to foresee, 9ers D line vs that morbid O line from Cleveland. Yet the OBJ-Landry hype still clinged for most bettors who forget that this game is and will always be determined in the trenches. 

     
     
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     sharp money on games, why wouldn't that information be public, and therefor information someone could follow?  Can someone tell me how to track the "smart money?"  I'm not trying to be a smart ass, may sound like a dumb ass, but how did the sharps know Cleveland was that bad?  Or Baker that bad?No matter what happens you will say it was rigged. If Cleveland rallies and covers the spread, you would say it was rigged. If the 2nd half goes fast instead of slow you would say it was rigged. If it rains you would say it was rigged.  If it was indeed rigged, then you`d be able to foresee everything pre-game and you`d be a millionaire. That is the precise proof that this shit ain`t rigged.  Glad you cashed your $3 bet on the 9ers[/Quote]s d

    Lol its entertainment like a movie. You don' know how every movie ends. You can know something is fake without knowing the ending. You  aren' thinking this through  all. You simply choose to believe everything your tv tells you.

     

     

     

     

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     sharp money on games, why wouldn't that information be public, and therefor information someone could follow?  Can someone tell me how to track the "smart money?"  I'm not trying to be a smart ass, may sound like a dumb ass, but how did the sharps know Cleveland was that bad?  Or Baker that bad?No matter what happens you will say it was rigged. If Cleveland rallies and covers the spread, you would say it was rigged. If the 2nd half goes fast instead of slow you would say it was rigged. If it rains you would say it was rigged.  If it was indeed rigged, then you`d be able to foresee everything pre-game and you`d be a millionaire. That is the precise proof that this shit ain`t rigged.  Glad you cashed your $3 bet on the 9ers[/Quote]s d

    Lol its entertainment like a movie. You don' know how every movie ends. You can know something is fake without knowing the ending. You  aren' thinking this through  all. You simply choose to believe everything your tv tells you.

     

     

     

     

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