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    I'm a Seahawks fan and...that was the right call.

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    Rocco2231
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 5:08 AM ET #176

    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:

    I'm pretty sure that I am the only one on here that consistently made money betting football.
     
    So without really knowing anyone, you can come out with that statement? lol
     
    Well, it's pretty obvious you're an attention person and congrats, it worked! it usually does on this site when someone comes out with an idiotic post like yours was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:

    I'm pretty sure that I am the only one on here that consistently made money betting football.
     
    So without really knowing anyone, you can come out with that statement? lol
     
    Well, it's pretty obvious you're an attention person and congrats, it worked! it usually does on this site when someone comes out with an idiotic post like yours was.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 5:13 AM ET #177

    https://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12266535/super-bowl-xlix-darrell-bevell-seattle-seahawks-play-call-made-kill-clock
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    https://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12266535/super-bowl-xlix-darrell-bevell-seattle-seahawks-play-call-made-kill-clock
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 5:24 AM ET #178

    https://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12266624/ian-oconnor-seattle-seahawks-coach-pete-carroll-botches-super-bowl-xlix
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    https://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12266624/ian-oconnor-seattle-seahawks-coach-pete-carroll-botches-super-bowl-xlix
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 5:35 AM ET #179

    Oh really - it cost the hawks the game - period - holy cow 
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    Oh really - it cost the hawks the game - period - holy cow 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 5:36 AM ET #180

    Quote Originally Posted by mngambler:

    wrong...beast mode for 2 tries if need be has to have the highest probability to score in that spot
    But, he doesn't. https://m.numberfire.com/nfl/news/2895/8-overachieving-and-underachieving-goal-line-running-backs?offer_id=13&aff_id=1083
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    Quote Originally Posted by mngambler:

    wrong...beast mode for 2 tries if need be has to have the highest probability to score in that spot
    But, he doesn't. https://m.numberfire.com/nfl/news/2895/8-overachieving-and-underachieving-goal-line-running-backs?offer_id=13&aff_id=1083
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 5:40 AM ET #181

    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:


    If anybody should have rushed or called timeout to stop the 30+ seconds from running off the clock, it was New England....

    They needed to do that.  Whether it altered their playcalling or not, they needed to play for the whole game.

    Seriously, I'm really curious about what you would have done in that situation and what probabilities you had assigned.  

    Do you think I'm wrong on the 70 and 60 numbers?  

    What do you think were realistic numbers?

    What would the numbers have been on 3rd and 4th after failed passes and runs respectively?
    The league average is 54% on runs and 48% for passing plays. https://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/02/nfl-goal-line-situations-philadelphia-eagles/
    And, the numbers stay the same every play, his chance to run it in on each individual down is exactly the same. 
    Last season Lynch was successful 10 of 26 times from 5 yards or in.
    https://m.numberfire.com/nfl/news/2895/8-overachieving-and-underachieving-goal-line-running-backs?offer_id=13&aff_id=1083
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:


    If anybody should have rushed or called timeout to stop the 30+ seconds from running off the clock, it was New England....

    They needed to do that.  Whether it altered their playcalling or not, they needed to play for the whole game.

    Seriously, I'm really curious about what you would have done in that situation and what probabilities you had assigned.  

    Do you think I'm wrong on the 70 and 60 numbers?  

    What do you think were realistic numbers?

    What would the numbers have been on 3rd and 4th after failed passes and runs respectively?
    The league average is 54% on runs and 48% for passing plays. https://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/02/nfl-goal-line-situations-philadelphia-eagles/
    And, the numbers stay the same every play, his chance to run it in on each individual down is exactly the same. 
    Last season Lynch was successful 10 of 26 times from 5 yards or in.
    https://m.numberfire.com/nfl/news/2895/8-overachieving-and-underachieving-goal-line-running-backs?offer_id=13&aff_id=1083
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 5:45 AM ET #182

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbo:



    Pete Carroll is a forward thinking coach. Unfortunately, people are proving exactly why coaches tend to be risk averse. Many coaches actually are lowering their chances to win rather than to be criticized. Then they actually lose and the public goes batshit. Hello Andy Reid, Mike McCarthy, and Mike Smith.

    wtf are you talking about?  Spin it all you want but that is nearly the WORST call you could do.

    1.  Again, you aren't passing.... I don't care if you TELL the Patriots you are running, who said you have to run up the middle?  who said you have to give it to lynch?  there are a plethora of run plays that could be called.

    2.  If you are passing, you aren't calling such a risky pass.  Even if it wasn't cut off by the DB, it could be tipped up in the air in between the hashes.  Also, Lockette isn't exactly a big body possession WR.  if you pass it, you take a shot with a fade route, even a back shoulder fade.  Who cares if a Fade route has a much smaller chance to succeed, it also has a much smaller chance of going south on you, basically two outcomes, 50/50 chance.  A quick slant?  these are the outcomes:  INT, Pass incomplete.  Pass complete/tackled outside endzone, pass for TD.  3 out of four are bad.  And as was seen with lockette getting decleated, even if he did catch it, he might not have made it in anyways.  that'd be a glorified run play.

    3.  If it's a dead down like Carroll said, why not play action bootleg? that gives Wilson the option to run or throw it away.  Solves the problem right?

    4.  Kill time?  you already killed 40 seconds in between downs.  2nd down was snapped at 23 second?  run play and you score there you leave 18-20 seconds?  What's more risky, throwing that inside pass or allowing brady 17 seconds to drive 50 yards just to get into FG range against that defense?  And that'd just be to TIE.

    5.  We aren't talking about not going for it on 4th and 2 and instead punting it late in the game because the coach is worried about losing if they don't make it.  It was 2nd and 1.  plenty of time.  1 time out.  Lynch just ran for 5.  a Turnover is the ONLY thing you are worried about, even moreso than a sack.  Even SPIKING the ball would have been better than allowing a TO.  Lynch has fumbled only 3 or 4 times all year?  Yeah, let's pass.

    This is my best analogy on this.  That pass call is like scoring a TD that puts you up by 1 with 1 minute left in the game and then on side kicking because you want to "retain possession" to "win the game".  WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbo:



    Pete Carroll is a forward thinking coach. Unfortunately, people are proving exactly why coaches tend to be risk averse. Many coaches actually are lowering their chances to win rather than to be criticized. Then they actually lose and the public goes batshit. Hello Andy Reid, Mike McCarthy, and Mike Smith.

    wtf are you talking about?  Spin it all you want but that is nearly the WORST call you could do.

    1.  Again, you aren't passing.... I don't care if you TELL the Patriots you are running, who said you have to run up the middle?  who said you have to give it to lynch?  there are a plethora of run plays that could be called.

    2.  If you are passing, you aren't calling such a risky pass.  Even if it wasn't cut off by the DB, it could be tipped up in the air in between the hashes.  Also, Lockette isn't exactly a big body possession WR.  if you pass it, you take a shot with a fade route, even a back shoulder fade.  Who cares if a Fade route has a much smaller chance to succeed, it also has a much smaller chance of going south on you, basically two outcomes, 50/50 chance.  A quick slant?  these are the outcomes:  INT, Pass incomplete.  Pass complete/tackled outside endzone, pass for TD.  3 out of four are bad.  And as was seen with lockette getting decleated, even if he did catch it, he might not have made it in anyways.  that'd be a glorified run play.

    3.  If it's a dead down like Carroll said, why not play action bootleg? that gives Wilson the option to run or throw it away.  Solves the problem right?

    4.  Kill time?  you already killed 40 seconds in between downs.  2nd down was snapped at 23 second?  run play and you score there you leave 18-20 seconds?  What's more risky, throwing that inside pass or allowing brady 17 seconds to drive 50 yards just to get into FG range against that defense?  And that'd just be to TIE.

    5.  We aren't talking about not going for it on 4th and 2 and instead punting it late in the game because the coach is worried about losing if they don't make it.  It was 2nd and 1.  plenty of time.  1 time out.  Lynch just ran for 5.  a Turnover is the ONLY thing you are worried about, even moreso than a sack.  Even SPIKING the ball would have been better than allowing a TO.  Lynch has fumbled only 3 or 4 times all year?  Yeah, let's pass.

    This is my best analogy on this.  That pass call is like scoring a TD that puts you up by 1 with 1 minute left in the game and then on side kicking because you want to "retain possession" to "win the game".  WTF?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 5:49 AM ET #183

    To expound on my number 2:

    fade route, even if it's 50/50, both outcomes aren't bad.  TD or incomplete pass.  3rd down and go again.  quick slant?  1 good outcome, 3 bad, with 1 being extremely bad and will lose you the game.  Yeah, forward thinking.  right.
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    To expound on my number 2:

    fade route, even if it's 50/50, both outcomes aren't bad.  TD or incomplete pass.  3rd down and go again.  quick slant?  1 good outcome, 3 bad, with 1 being extremely bad and will lose you the game.  Yeah, forward thinking.  right.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 6:06 AM ET #184

    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser:



    it was an incredible moment in sports history, and it won't get the props it deserves 
    My thoughts exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser:



    it was an incredible moment in sports history, and it won't get the props it deserves 
    My thoughts exactly.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 6:21 AM ET #185

    I thought it was ridiculous. I was happy as I took pats but I couldn't believe it. I thought for sure Lynch was running it in if he didn't get it the first time the clock would have moved, another factor, but he would have got in the next play then won the MVP. I actually would have won a small prop I had on him being MVP. Oh well. 
    I know it's hindsight but I think it was ridiculous to throw in the situation if you gotta throw it throw a fade again to the big guy the Patriots could never stop. No clue why you'd throw it into the middle where the Pats were all stacked. None. They got cute and lost. 
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    I thought it was ridiculous. I was happy as I took pats but I couldn't believe it. I thought for sure Lynch was running it in if he didn't get it the first time the clock would have moved, another factor, but he would have got in the next play then won the MVP. I actually would have won a small prop I had on him being MVP. Oh well. 
    I know it's hindsight but I think it was ridiculous to throw in the situation if you gotta throw it throw a fade again to the big guy the Patriots could never stop. No clue why you'd throw it into the middle where the Pats were all stacked. None. They got cute and lost. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 6:22 AM ET #186

    I was just reading above I apparently copied Naesiy. Good points. 
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    I was just reading above I apparently copied Naesiy. Good points. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 6:48 AM ET #187

    If you cant see why he threw the ball there you don't understand football strategy.

    You can debate it forever.  But it wasn't a stupid call.  You can debate the slant.  You can debate they should have run Lynch.  But to say it is a stupid call is wrong.  Because they are very close decisions.

    The biggest problem is that they wasted timeouts.  Calling the timeout after the Kearse catch in the end is what cost them the game.  If they have 2 timeouts, they run 3 plays from the 1.

    But they burned the TO, and were forced to make a decision on what down to throw the ball.  If the don't throw on 2nd down, and they didn't get in on 2nd, they run the same exact pass play on 3rd down.

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    If you cant see why he threw the ball there you don't understand football strategy.

    You can debate it forever.  But it wasn't a stupid call.  You can debate the slant.  You can debate they should have run Lynch.  But to say it is a stupid call is wrong.  Because they are very close decisions.

    The biggest problem is that they wasted timeouts.  Calling the timeout after the Kearse catch in the end is what cost them the game.  If they have 2 timeouts, they run 3 plays from the 1.

    But they burned the TO, and were forced to make a decision on what down to throw the ball.  If the don't throw on 2nd down, and they didn't get in on 2nd, they run the same exact pass play on 3rd down.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 7:12 AM ET #188

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco2231:

    https://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12266624/ian-oconnor-seattle-seahawks-coach-pete-carroll-botches-super-bowl-xlix

    Really says it ... after Moron was interviewed ...Trent Dilfer says it all .... Anybody know why he was fired as the New England Coach years earlier? That's right, stupid play calls. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco2231:

    https://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12266624/ian-oconnor-seattle-seahawks-coach-pete-carroll-botches-super-bowl-xlix

    Really says it ... after Moron was interviewed ...Trent Dilfer says it all .... Anybody know why he was fired as the New England Coach years earlier? That's right, stupid play calls. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 7:25 AM ET #189

    Here we go once again with these Seahawks fan they don't know how to let somethings go...get over it
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    Here we go once again with these Seahawks fan they don't know how to let somethings go...get over it
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 7:50 AM ET #190

    Even if he would of made that catch at the the 1 yard line I dont think he even gets in.  The replay showed they had him stuffed and never would of got in.  Stupidest pass play call ever in that situation!
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    Even if he would of made that catch at the the 1 yard line I dont think he even gets in.  The replay showed they had him stuffed and never would of got in.  Stupidest pass play call ever in that situation!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 8:20 AM ET #191

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco2231:

     
    So without really knowing anyone, you can come out with that statement? lol
     

    No.  I know him pretty well.  I saw the same thing over and over through my gambling period.  He's a loser.  I guarantee it.  His logic is all flawed.  He overvalues the importance of a star player.  He takes the things announcers say for fourth graders at face value.   He underestimates the importance of unpredictability.  I am pretty sure that he loses money gambling.  Its probably a LOT of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco2231:

     
    So without really knowing anyone, you can come out with that statement? lol
     

    No.  I know him pretty well.  I saw the same thing over and over through my gambling period.  He's a loser.  I guarantee it.  His logic is all flawed.  He overvalues the importance of a star player.  He takes the things announcers say for fourth graders at face value.   He underestimates the importance of unpredictability.  I am pretty sure that he loses money gambling.  Its probably a LOT of money.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 2:19 PM ET #192

    Marshawn Lynch had 5 previous runs from the 1 this season and got in the end zone 1 time. 

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    Marshawn Lynch had 5 previous runs from the 1 this season and got in the end zone 1 time. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 6:39 PM ET #193

    tallguy, you're not taking all the factors into acct. If you do decide to throw there with 30 secs or so & a timeout, you sure as hell don't throw a quick inside slant that can be tipped, jammed, intercepted, etc. You roll out 1 of the best runners/decision makers in the game  & let him choose to either hit an open guy, run or throw it away & preserve the timeout. Sorry, just an all around horrible call with many better options given the circumstances, period.
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    tallguy, you're not taking all the factors into acct. If you do decide to throw there with 30 secs or so & a timeout, you sure as hell don't throw a quick inside slant that can be tipped, jammed, intercepted, etc. You roll out 1 of the best runners/decision makers in the game  & let him choose to either hit an open guy, run or throw it away & preserve the timeout. Sorry, just an all around horrible call with many better options given the circumstances, period.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 6:46 PM ET #194

    A PASS IS NOT THE PROBLEM, THE TYPE OF PASS THAT WAS CALLED IS...You need to throw this back of endzone, or over the shoulder of CB, NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE friggin FIELD.

    ALSO, 

    lynch was running all over them, it makes ZERO sense not to give it to him at least on the 2nd down...THE OP IS A MORON
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    A PASS IS NOT THE PROBLEM, THE TYPE OF PASS THAT WAS CALLED IS...You need to throw this back of endzone, or over the shoulder of CB, NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE friggin FIELD.

    ALSO, 

    lynch was running all over them, it makes ZERO sense not to give it to him at least on the 2nd down...THE OP IS A MORON
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 6:59 PM ET #195

    I guess Marshawn Lynch didn't get the word that it was a great call. 

    Went to the locker room BEFORE the game was over and tailed out of the arena as fast as he could, pushing a camera, fake smiling and laughing on his way out.
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    I guess Marshawn Lynch didn't get the word that it was a great call. 

    Went to the locker room BEFORE the game was over and tailed out of the arena as fast as he could, pushing a camera, fake smiling and laughing on his way out.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 7:00 PM ET #196

    Somebody should have told Marshawn he only got the  ball in once out of 5 times from the 1.
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    Somebody should have told Marshawn he only got the  ball in once out of 5 times from the 1.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 7:02 PM ET #197

    Somebody should have told Marshawn they only had one timeout left on 2nd down
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 7:03 PM ET #198

    These guys work their entire lives for moments like those and they literally ripped the ball the Super Bowl and the MVP from his hands unbeLIEVABLE
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    These guys work their entire lives for moments like those and they literally ripped the ball the Super Bowl and the MVP from his hands unbeLIEVABLE
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by cashin] tallguy, you're not taking all the factors into acct. If you do decide to throw there with 30 secs or so & a timeout, you sure as hell don't throw a quick inside slant that can be tipped, jammed, intercepted, etc. You roll out 1 of the best runners/decision makers in the game  & let him choose to either hit an open guy, run or throw it away & preserve the timeout. Sorry, just an all around horrible call with many better options given the circumstances, period.
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    You cant reason with this jerkoff. He lives in his parents basement and can not lose an argument unless it is with himself.  ( except that time with the neighbors cat } but that's another story.

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by cashin] tallguy, you're not taking all the factors into acct. If you do decide to throw there with 30 secs or so & a timeout, you sure as hell don't throw a quick inside slant that can be tipped, jammed, intercepted, etc. You roll out 1 of the best runners/decision makers in the game  & let him choose to either hit an open guy, run or throw it away & preserve the timeout. Sorry, just an all around horrible call with many better options given the circumstances, period.
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    You cant reason with this jerkoff. He lives in his parents basement and can not lose an argument unless it is with himself.  ( except that time with the neighbors cat } but that's another story.

     
     
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    B.S. it was the wrong call
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