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    I'm a Seahawks fan and...that was the right call.

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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:43 AM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by Bleakhouse:


    This is one of the best crafted trolls I have ever seen.

    Am I a troll for picking a fight with morons?

    Perhaps...

    I really am a Seahawks fan and I really am disappointed.  So maybe this is my therapy.  I do believe what I am saying though.  

    I think the people that think it through will see that I'm right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleakhouse:


    This is one of the best crafted trolls I have ever seen.

    Am I a troll for picking a fight with morons?

    Perhaps...

    I really am a Seahawks fan and I really am disappointed.  So maybe this is my therapy.  I do believe what I am saying though.  

    I think the people that think it through will see that I'm right.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:45 AM ET #102

    It was a terrible percentage play by Carroll. Anybody know why he was fired as the New England Coach years earlier? That's right, questionable calls. I don't mind a passing play when the other team is guessing a running play or vice versa BUT you play percentages and Carroll did a terrible job of playing the percentages. It will haunt him to his grave. Right or wrong he will forever be known as the coach who made the worst coaching decision ever. Seattle's clock management in the last minute of the game was also ridiculously bad. 


    Just look at the other passing options. Throwing the ball into the middle of the field where the whole New England team was sure to be trying to stop a lynch run? Plain stupid. They could have faked a hand off to Lynch then have Wilson roll out with three options. 1)run the ball in. 2) pass the ball to someone open in the corner of the end zone 3 throw it out of bounds.

    It was a very stupid play call. Belichick would never make that mistake.
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    It was a terrible percentage play by Carroll. Anybody know why he was fired as the New England Coach years earlier? That's right, questionable calls. I don't mind a passing play when the other team is guessing a running play or vice versa BUT you play percentages and Carroll did a terrible job of playing the percentages. It will haunt him to his grave. Right or wrong he will forever be known as the coach who made the worst coaching decision ever. Seattle's clock management in the last minute of the game was also ridiculously bad. 


    Just look at the other passing options. Throwing the ball into the middle of the field where the whole New England team was sure to be trying to stop a lynch run? Plain stupid. They could have faked a hand off to Lynch then have Wilson roll out with three options. 1)run the ball in. 2) pass the ball to someone open in the corner of the end zone 3 throw it out of bounds.

    It was a very stupid play call. Belichick would never make that mistake.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:47 AM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by line_tamer:

    I just watched the replay of the first down run There was a full freaking minute on the clock when he went down at the 1. Seattle just punched the pats in the gut with the circus catch. You have a timeout in your pocket you have time to run it twice without burning that timeout. You hurry to the line without substitutions and punch it down their throat!!!!!!!!!! End of story. they wasted a full 30 seconds dikken around just to throw a senseless interception.  But it worked out for me cuz I had the pats -1


    What probability do you assign to Brady driving 40 yards for a field goal with 50 seconds and 2 timeouts?

    With 20 seconds?

    There were multiple variables going on and the slight gain in TD probability they got by running it would have been more than offset by giving Brady extra time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by line_tamer:

    I just watched the replay of the first down run There was a full freaking minute on the clock when he went down at the 1. Seattle just punched the pats in the gut with the circus catch. You have a timeout in your pocket you have time to run it twice without burning that timeout. You hurry to the line without substitutions and punch it down their throat!!!!!!!!!! End of story. they wasted a full 30 seconds dikken around just to throw a senseless interception.  But it worked out for me cuz I had the pats -1


    What probability do you assign to Brady driving 40 yards for a field goal with 50 seconds and 2 timeouts?

    With 20 seconds?

    There were multiple variables going on and the slight gain in TD probability they got by running it would have been more than offset by giving Brady extra time.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:50 AM ET #104

    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:


    Am I a troll for picking a fight with morons?

    Perhaps...

    I really am a Seahawks fan and I really am disappointed.  So maybe this is my therapy.  I do believe what I am saying though.  

    I think the people that think it through will see that I'm right.

    Once again.

    1. patriot defense is shell shocked by the amazing catch!

    2. run on 1rst down for 4 yards down to the 1

    3. 1 whole freaking minute left on the clock

    4. Just run the frikkin ball and I am paying the man this week instead of collecting.

    5. I am screaming at my tv at belichek to freaking call a time out with 45 seconds left because I knew we could not stop lynch from the 1

    6, thanks  Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:


    Am I a troll for picking a fight with morons?

    Perhaps...

    I really am a Seahawks fan and I really am disappointed.  So maybe this is my therapy.  I do believe what I am saying though.  

    I think the people that think it through will see that I'm right.

    Once again.

    1. patriot defense is shell shocked by the amazing catch!

    2. run on 1rst down for 4 yards down to the 1

    3. 1 whole freaking minute left on the clock

    4. Just run the frikkin ball and I am paying the man this week instead of collecting.

    5. I am screaming at my tv at belichek to freaking call a time out with 45 seconds left because I knew we could not stop lynch from the 1

    6, thanks  Pete

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:54 AM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:

    Sorry, but all those people that are saying it was the worst call ever don't understand anything about football.

    If he runs it and it doesn't go in....then what?

    You call timeout and you are forced to throw on 3rd down or you don't get a fourth down.  The Patriots know that and can defend against a pass.  Sack and the game is over.

    Throw it on second and you have 3 strong chances with the Patriots forced to defend run or pass on each.

    The right call doesn't always work.  I think their win probability was higher this way.  At the time, I was thinking please don't run it here.

    Lynch had not been stopped all night.  Positive yards all night.  Lose the game on D not on O like they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:

    Sorry, but all those people that are saying it was the worst call ever don't understand anything about football.

    If he runs it and it doesn't go in....then what?

    You call timeout and you are forced to throw on 3rd down or you don't get a fourth down.  The Patriots know that and can defend against a pass.  Sack and the game is over.

    Throw it on second and you have 3 strong chances with the Patriots forced to defend run or pass on each.

    The right call doesn't always work.  I think their win probability was higher this way.  At the time, I was thinking please don't run it here.

    Lynch had not been stopped all night.  Positive yards all night.  Lose the game on D not on O like they did.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:55 AM ET #106

    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:


    What probability do you assign to Brady driving 40 yards for a field goal with 50 seconds and 2 timeouts?

    With 20 seconds?

    There were multiple variables going on and the slight gain in TD probability they got by running it would have been more than offset by giving Brady extra time.

    Herm just called and wanted me to tell you " Hello, You play to win the game!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:


    What probability do you assign to Brady driving 40 yards for a field goal with 50 seconds and 2 timeouts?

    With 20 seconds?

    There were multiple variables going on and the slight gain in TD probability they got by running it would have been more than offset by giving Brady extra time.

    Herm just called and wanted me to tell you " Hello, You play to win the game!!!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:56 AM ET #107

    Sorry but the original poster is lost. You have a defense that is gassed and on its heels. You have a rb who is at his absolute best in the 4th quarter when defenses are gassed, and not to mention,AVERAGES 2.8 YARDS AFTER CONTACT! MAN THE FU CK UP AND RUN THE BALL DOWNHILL.
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    Sorry but the original poster is lost. You have a defense that is gassed and on its heels. You have a rb who is at his absolute best in the 4th quarter when defenses are gassed, and not to mention,AVERAGES 2.8 YARDS AFTER CONTACT! MAN THE FU CK UP AND RUN THE BALL DOWNHILL.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:59 AM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by line_tamer:

    Herm just called and wanted me to tell you " Hello, You play to win the game!!!


    By making stupid decisions.....That wasn't Herm's point at all.  Reread the 2 point sidebar and I think you'll see Herm's point.  You'll also see that Herm was just as much of a weak tight wimp as other coaches if you relook at his record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by line_tamer:

    Herm just called and wanted me to tell you " Hello, You play to win the game!!!


    By making stupid decisions.....That wasn't Herm's point at all.  Reread the 2 point sidebar and I think you'll see Herm's point.  You'll also see that Herm was just as much of a weak tight wimp as other coaches if you relook at his record.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 1:02 AM ET #109

    Looking back it's a doubtful call, it's just the TIMING of the thing-the entire Super Bowl on the line-that makes it one of the worst calls of all time

    It's a call that is going to haunt Carroll Wilson and the Seahawks for years
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    Looking back it's a doubtful call, it's just the TIMING of the thing-the entire Super Bowl on the line-that makes it one of the worst calls of all time

    It's a call that is going to haunt Carroll Wilson and the Seahawks for years
     
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    To come to the defense of tallguyindc...

    I posted this in my thread...

    I don't have a problem with throwing the ball on the play everyone thinks is so dumb.  It was second down, and the real problem is that Seattle burned 2 timeouts already - so they only had one left.

    You either run on 2nd and call a timeout, and then the Pats KNOW you have to throw on third down.  Or you throw on 2nd where they don't know if you run or throw, and then run on third and fourth.

    You can argue the playcall itself - the slant - but I don't think you can criticize the call to pass too much.  Its not maybe what I would have done - but it certainly isn't the dumbest playcall in the history of football like everyone is making it out to be.

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    To come to the defense of tallguyindc...

    I posted this in my thread...

    I don't have a problem with throwing the ball on the play everyone thinks is so dumb.  It was second down, and the real problem is that Seattle burned 2 timeouts already - so they only had one left.

    You either run on 2nd and call a timeout, and then the Pats KNOW you have to throw on third down.  Or you throw on 2nd where they don't know if you run or throw, and then run on third and fourth.

    You can argue the playcall itself - the slant - but I don't think you can criticize the call to pass too much.  Its not maybe what I would have done - but it certainly isn't the dumbest playcall in the history of football like everyone is making it out to be.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 1:03 AM ET #111

    Honestly I thought for sure that Seattle was going to run it and that New England was just going to let them score to get the ball back with as much time as possible. Why they didn't run there was an awful call.
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    Honestly I thought for sure that Seattle was going to run it and that New England was just going to let them score to get the ball back with as much time as possible. Why they didn't run there was an awful call.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 1:04 AM ET #112

    Score the TD with Lynch.  Put it on your D to defend the last 30 or 40 seconds.  D wasn't even given a chance to screw it up.  
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    Score the TD with Lynch.  Put it on your D to defend the last 30 or 40 seconds.  D wasn't even given a chance to screw it up.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfinger:

    Honestly I thought for sure that Seattle was going to run it and that New England was just going to let them score to get the ball back with as much time as possible. Why they didn't run there was an awful call.

    Yeah Bellichick could have called a timeout, he wasted about 30 seconds of Brady's time

    Ironically it turned out to be brilliant

    One of the most bizarre Super Bowl endings I'll ever see in my lifetime.  I couldn't believe they passed and it got INT'd I had to do a double-take
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfinger:

    Honestly I thought for sure that Seattle was going to run it and that New England was just going to let them score to get the ball back with as much time as possible. Why they didn't run there was an awful call.

    Yeah Bellichick could have called a timeout, he wasted about 30 seconds of Brady's time

    Ironically it turned out to be brilliant

    One of the most bizarre Super Bowl endings I'll ever see in my lifetime.  I couldn't believe they passed and it got INT'd I had to do a double-take
     
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    And kudos to tallguyindc for having the balls to post this.

    He will get flamed, but he is fundamentally right IMO.

     

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    And kudos to tallguyindc for having the balls to post this.

    He will get flamed, but he is fundamentally right IMO.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:


    By making stupid decisions.....That wasn't Herm's point at all.  Reread the 2 point sidebar and I think you'll see Herm's point.  You'll also see that Herm was just as much of a weak tight wimp as other coaches if you relook at his record.

    So........... Running in for a touchdown to take a three point lead equates to a stupid decision, but throwing a pick from the 1 to end the game and assure yourself that tom cant drive the field to tie it up at the end was the right call? Darn I wish I was as smart as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:


    By making stupid decisions.....That wasn't Herm's point at all.  Reread the 2 point sidebar and I think you'll see Herm's point.  You'll also see that Herm was just as much of a weak tight wimp as other coaches if you relook at his record.

    So........... Running in for a touchdown to take a three point lead equates to a stupid decision, but throwing a pick from the 1 to end the game and assure yourself that tom cant drive the field to tie it up at the end was the right call? Darn I wish I was as smart as you.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    To come to the defense of tallguyindc...

    I posted this in my thread...

    I don't have a problem with throwing the ball on the play everyone thinks is so dumb.  It was second down, and the real problem is that Seattle burned 2 timeouts already - so they only had one left.

    You either run on 2nd and call a timeout, and then the Pats KNOW you have to throw on third down.  Or you throw on 2nd where they don't know if you run or throw, and then run on third and fourth.

    You can argue the playcall itself - the slant - but I don't think you can criticize the call to pass too much.  Its not maybe what I would have done - but it certainly isn't the dumbest playcall in the history of football like everyone is making it out to be.


    I knew you'd agree with me on this.  I can tell you are one of the very few sports bettors that actually makes money.

    I used to post a lot on here and I remember agreeing with you often.  I stopped betting when Matchbook closed to Americans.  I had a particular live betting strategy that wouldn't have worked pregame.  Anyway, I haven't been on this site in years.  

    I had to comment about this though.  It reminds me of Belichicks 4th and 2 situation.  Another good call that was horribly misunderstood.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    To come to the defense of tallguyindc...

    I posted this in my thread...

    I don't have a problem with throwing the ball on the play everyone thinks is so dumb.  It was second down, and the real problem is that Seattle burned 2 timeouts already - so they only had one left.

    You either run on 2nd and call a timeout, and then the Pats KNOW you have to throw on third down.  Or you throw on 2nd where they don't know if you run or throw, and then run on third and fourth.

    You can argue the playcall itself - the slant - but I don't think you can criticize the call to pass too much.  Its not maybe what I would have done - but it certainly isn't the dumbest playcall in the history of football like everyone is making it out to be.


    I knew you'd agree with me on this.  I can tell you are one of the very few sports bettors that actually makes money.

    I used to post a lot on here and I remember agreeing with you often.  I stopped betting when Matchbook closed to Americans.  I had a particular live betting strategy that wouldn't have worked pregame.  Anyway, I haven't been on this site in years.  

    I had to comment about this though.  It reminds me of Belichicks 4th and 2 situation.  Another good call that was horribly misunderstood.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 1:09 AM ET #117

    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:

    Sorry, but all those people that are saying it was the worst call ever don't understand anything about football.

    If he runs it and it doesn't go in....then what?

    You call timeout and you are forced to throw on 3rd down or you don't get a fourth down.  The Patriots know that and can defend against a pass.  Sack and the game is over.

    Throw it on second and you have 3 strong chances with the Patriots forced to defend run or pass on each.

    The right call doesn't always work.  I think their win probability was higher this way.  At the time, I was thinking please don't run it here.
    Another ignorant comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:

    Sorry, but all those people that are saying it was the worst call ever don't understand anything about football.

    If he runs it and it doesn't go in....then what?

    You call timeout and you are forced to throw on 3rd down or you don't get a fourth down.  The Patriots know that and can defend against a pass.  Sack and the game is over.

    Throw it on second and you have 3 strong chances with the Patriots forced to defend run or pass on each.

    The right call doesn't always work.  I think their win probability was higher this way.  At the time, I was thinking please don't run it here.
    Another ignorant comment.
     
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    With only one timeout you have to pass on either 2nd or 3rd down.  If a run on 2nd then a pass on 3rd is obvious.  It was the right call.  But the problem wouldn't be the call either way.  

    Perhaps Wilson should not have thrown the ball right to a defensive back.  
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    With only one timeout you have to pass on either 2nd or 3rd down.  If a run on 2nd then a pass on 3rd is obvious.  It was the right call.  But the problem wouldn't be the call either way.  

    Perhaps Wilson should not have thrown the ball right to a defensive back.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:


    Am I a troll for picking a fight with morons?

    Perhaps...

    I really am a Seahawks fan and I really am disappointed.  So maybe this is my therapy.  I do believe what I am saying though.  

    I think the people that think it through will see that I'm right.
    You're wrong and must not be a true Seattle fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:


    Am I a troll for picking a fight with morons?

    Perhaps...

    I really am a Seahawks fan and I really am disappointed.  So maybe this is my therapy.  I do believe what I am saying though.  

    I think the people that think it through will see that I'm right.
    You're wrong and must not be a true Seattle fan.
     
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    I also am not sure what to make of Belichik not calling a timeout after the first down run by Seattle.  I am surprised.  In the end, it probably won the game for them, but I don't think it was the right thing to do.

    I also thought that NE might let them score on first down.  Once again, they won the game because they didn't let them score - but with a minute left I think that is the right move.

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    I also am not sure what to make of Belichik not calling a timeout after the first down run by Seattle.  I am surprised.  In the end, it probably won the game for them, but I don't think it was the right thing to do.

    I also thought that NE might let them score on first down.  Once again, they won the game because they didn't let them score - but with a minute left I think that is the right move.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by line_tamer:

    So........... Running in for a touchdown to take a three point lead equates to a stupid decision, but throwing a pick from the 1 to end the game and assure yourself that tom cant drive the field to tie it up at the end was the right call? Darn I wish I was as smart as you.


    Because you are 100% positive that running the ball would have resulted in a touchdown...and you were also 100% positive that a throw would have resulted in an interception.

    I can just sense the smiles everybody else must have at the poker table when you sit down.

    We deal in odds and probabilities.  Smart coaches and gamblers try to maximize their chance of winning. Its a bit of a close call but I believe Carroll made the right call.  At the very least, it was far from being the worst call ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by line_tamer:

    So........... Running in for a touchdown to take a three point lead equates to a stupid decision, but throwing a pick from the 1 to end the game and assure yourself that tom cant drive the field to tie it up at the end was the right call? Darn I wish I was as smart as you.


    Because you are 100% positive that running the ball would have resulted in a touchdown...and you were also 100% positive that a throw would have resulted in an interception.

    I can just sense the smiles everybody else must have at the poker table when you sit down.

    We deal in odds and probabilities.  Smart coaches and gamblers try to maximize their chance of winning. Its a bit of a close call but I believe Carroll made the right call.  At the very least, it was far from being the worst call ever.
     
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    with one timeout, you can run the ball.  

    then you throw on 3rd down, or call 2 plays in the huddle if you run it

    there would have been about 25 seconds left, so plenty of time

    you have 4 plays, regardless

    the problem is it was the heat of the moment, and that kind of situation screws with people's heads.

    it was an incredible moment in sports history, and it won't get the props it deserves 
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    with one timeout, you can run the ball.  

    then you throw on 3rd down, or call 2 plays in the huddle if you run it

    there would have been about 25 seconds left, so plenty of time

    you have 4 plays, regardless

    the problem is it was the heat of the moment, and that kind of situation screws with people's heads.

    it was an incredible moment in sports history, and it won't get the props it deserves 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser:

    with one timeout, you can run the ball.  

    then you throw on 3rd down, or call 2 plays in the huddle if you run it

    there would have been about 25 seconds left, so plenty of time

    you have 4 plays, regardless

    the problem is it was the heat of the moment, and that kind of situation screws with people's heads.

    it was an incredible moment in sports history, and it won't get the props it deserves 

    The counter-argument is that if you run it on second and don't get in, you HAVE to throw it on 3rd.  That puts you at a disadvantage.

    You have a 3 play series.  The only way to run 3 plays with NE not knowing what you are going to do on at least one of those plays is to throw on second down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser:

    with one timeout, you can run the ball.  

    then you throw on 3rd down, or call 2 plays in the huddle if you run it

    there would have been about 25 seconds left, so plenty of time

    you have 4 plays, regardless

    the problem is it was the heat of the moment, and that kind of situation screws with people's heads.

    it was an incredible moment in sports history, and it won't get the props it deserves 

    The counter-argument is that if you run it on second and don't get in, you HAVE to throw it on 3rd.  That puts you at a disadvantage.

    You have a 3 play series.  The only way to run 3 plays with NE not knowing what you are going to do on at least one of those plays is to throw on second down.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I also am not sure what to make of Belichik not calling a timeout after the first down run by Seattle.  I am surprised.  In the end, it probably won the game for them, but I don't think it was the right thing to do.

    I also thought that NE might let them score on first down.  Once again, they won the game because they didn't let them score - but with a minute left I think that is the right move.


    Yeah.  You know not every move that ends up working in the end is the right move.  Not every one that fails is the wrong move.

    I thought Belichick might let them in too.  Its a close call on that one.  If he was going to do it, he needed to do it on 1st down. There would be no reason whatsoever to have done it on a later down.  Seattle called timeout before 1st so he had an opportunity to make the Moses call.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I also am not sure what to make of Belichik not calling a timeout after the first down run by Seattle.  I am surprised.  In the end, it probably won the game for them, but I don't think it was the right thing to do.

    I also thought that NE might let them score on first down.  Once again, they won the game because they didn't let them score - but with a minute left I think that is the right move.


    Yeah.  You know not every move that ends up working in the end is the right move.  Not every one that fails is the wrong move.

    I thought Belichick might let them in too.  Its a close call on that one.  If he was going to do it, he needed to do it on 1st down. There would be no reason whatsoever to have done it on a later down.  Seattle called timeout before 1st so he had an opportunity to make the Moses call.


     
     
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    That's the difference between a young quarterback and an experienced quarterback experienced quarterback audible's out of that pass play. You know most quarterbacks in the NFL get one pass play and 1 run play in their headset...Wilson chose the pass play.
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    That's the difference between a young quarterback and an experienced quarterback experienced quarterback audible's out of that pass play. You know most quarterbacks in the NFL get one pass play and 1 run play in their headset...Wilson chose the pass play.
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