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    how it's CLEAR that game wasnt fixed

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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 4:40 PM ET #26

    when we talk about fixes and rigging we always assume the officials as a whole but that is absolutely not the case
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    when we talk about fixes and rigging we always assume the officials as a whole but that is absolutely not the case
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 4:48 PM ET #27

    [Quote: Originally Posted by mariner24]

    if the refs really had the fix in, they would have not gave rodgers that 1st and goal on the 1 yard line. Because GB would have had to kick the field goal and would have probably won 9-7 with the seahwaks still covering.

    That play would have been so easy to uphold because it was called short on the field. So they needed indisputable evidence to give them a 1st down.

    You cant fix a game on a last minute hail mary dual possesion catch. There were a ton of bad calls on BOTH sides of the ball all game.

    That td catch didnt cost GB the game. GB's playcalling and refusal to run the ball in the 1st half cost GB the game.

     

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by mariner24]

    if the refs really had the fix in, they would have not gave rodgers that 1st and goal on the 1 yard line. Because GB would have had to kick the field goal and would have probably won 9-7 with the seahwaks still covering.

    That play would have been so easy to uphold because it was called short on the field. So they needed indisputable evidence to give them a 1st down.

    You cant fix a game on a last minute hail mary dual possesion catch. There were a ton of bad calls on BOTH sides of the ball all game.

    That td catch didnt cost GB the game. GB's playcalling and refusal to run the ball in the 1st half cost GB the game.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 4:50 PM ET #28

    i agree, ONE official is enough, but, are you telling me he waited till there was no time on the clock and relied on a WR to have simultaneous possesion of the ball??

    really, think about it, he would at least have to throw a flag the play before for a phantom PI or something, how many times does a receiver really comes even close to catching a ball on a hail mary?? the normal thing to do for the defender was to just bat the ball away.
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    i agree, ONE official is enough, but, are you telling me he waited till there was no time on the clock and relied on a WR to have simultaneous possesion of the ball??

    really, think about it, he would at least have to throw a flag the play before for a phantom PI or something, how many times does a receiver really comes even close to catching a ball on a hail mary?? the normal thing to do for the defender was to just bat the ball away.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 4:55 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaname484:



    You must be forgetting that their are 5 maybe 6 other officials calling that game and it only takes 1 maybe 2 of themt be in on a fix.  example: It only took 1 Tim Donaghy to rigg and change the the outcome of so many games and he wasnt even officiating by his self


    I suggest everyone buy Tims book, its a great book & it opens your eyes to what the NBA higher ups are really about as well.................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaname484:



    You must be forgetting that their are 5 maybe 6 other officials calling that game and it only takes 1 maybe 2 of themt be in on a fix.  example: It only took 1 Tim Donaghy to rigg and change the the outcome of so many games and he wasnt even officiating by his self


    I suggest everyone buy Tims book, its a great book & it opens your eyes to what the NBA higher ups are really about as well.................
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 4:59 PM ET #30

    ok, dont say its fixed and for the record, my iq is 62. I have been preaching the conspiracy theory for many years and have many beleivers in my camp now. The fix isnt on the last play but all throughout game. We just have to figure out which side the refs on.
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    ok, dont say its fixed and for the record, my iq is 62. I have been preaching the conspiracy theory for many years and have many beleivers in my camp now. The fix isnt on the last play but all throughout game. We just have to figure out which side the refs on.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 5:06 PM ET #31

    STATFREAK----You said the roughing the passer person was going for his knees???

    Watch the replay!!!!  He barely even tackles Wilsons FEET....unreal!!

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    STATFREAK----You said the roughing the passer person was going for his knees???

    Watch the replay!!!!  He barely even tackles Wilsons FEET....unreal!!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 5:07 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by badgerboy:

    ok, dont say its fixed and for the record, my iq is 62. I have been preaching the conspiracy theory for many years and have many beleivers in my camp now. The fix isnt on the last play but all throughout game. We just have to figure out which side the refs on.


    Its not always the dog so be careful................I remember following the refs last season & there was one head ref that was like 11-1 ATS favoring the favorite. These replacement refs are new so I dont have anything to look at & the site I use to check out doesnt have the ref crew up before the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerboy:

    ok, dont say its fixed and for the record, my iq is 62. I have been preaching the conspiracy theory for many years and have many beleivers in my camp now. The fix isnt on the last play but all throughout game. We just have to figure out which side the refs on.


    Its not always the dog so be careful................I remember following the refs last season & there was one head ref that was like 11-1 ATS favoring the favorite. These replacement refs are new so I dont have anything to look at & the site I use to check out doesnt have the ref crew up before the game.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 5:32 PM ET #33

    Sorry for the cliche but "It was a game of 2 halves".

    Both teams played their good half of football and bad half of football.

    What about Golden Tate pushing off?

    The call and officiating was the difference in the end.
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    Sorry for the cliche but "It was a game of 2 halves".

    Both teams played their good half of football and bad half of football.

    What about Golden Tate pushing off?

    The call and officiating was the difference in the end.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 5:34 PM ET #34

    I only blame Goodhell for this.

    The officials are not up to task due to lack of preparation and experience for this level of football. No fault of theirs.
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    I only blame Goodhell for this.

    The officials are not up to task due to lack of preparation and experience for this level of football. No fault of theirs.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 5:35 PM ET #35

    The home team was in a spot to win
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    The home team was in a spot to win
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 5:37 PM ET #36

    The home team was in a spot to win. It was a touch and go call. The crowd was vocal. The officials knew what the call was but were intimidated by the home crowd. They may. It have made it out of their alive if they made the correct call.
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    The home team was in a spot to win. It was a touch and go call. The crowd was vocal. The officials knew what the call was but were intimidated by the home crowd. They may. It have made it out of their alive if they made the correct call.
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2012 - 5:38 PM ET #37

    Even Donahay admits that he always fixed games for totals by calling lots of fouls and leading to lot's of FT's (while no time runs off the clock).  In NFL, I would think that the O/U philosphy would also be easier to manage than fixing a side.

    What do you call if you are the back judge (trying to fix the game) on a blown coverage 80 yard pass play?  You can't - if no one covered him, then you have very limited options to negate the big play.  You would need colusion from your Umpire or the Referee to call Off. Hold to negate the play. Too hard. 

    Best you can do is what Donahay did - influence one aspect of the game that will allow for more of one thing to happen to acheive a totals play.

    I agree with the folks that state fixing is too hard for a team sport with this many officials.  You would need a lot of collusion, and someone would rat eventually.

    Of course, I had Seattle +3.5 large last night...

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    Even Donahay admits that he always fixed games for totals by calling lots of fouls and leading to lot's of FT's (while no time runs off the clock).  In NFL, I would think that the O/U philosphy would also be easier to manage than fixing a side.

    What do you call if you are the back judge (trying to fix the game) on a blown coverage 80 yard pass play?  You can't - if no one covered him, then you have very limited options to negate the big play.  You would need colusion from your Umpire or the Referee to call Off. Hold to negate the play. Too hard. 

    Best you can do is what Donahay did - influence one aspect of the game that will allow for more of one thing to happen to acheive a totals play.

    I agree with the folks that state fixing is too hard for a team sport with this many officials.  You would need a lot of collusion, and someone would rat eventually.

    Of course, I had Seattle +3.5 large last night...

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