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    Hey Guys...Tim Tebow Still Sucks

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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2012 - 12:48 PM ET #2726

    [Quote: Originally Posted by MoneySRH] Put down the crack pipe. Timmy throws the ball way too hard at times and throws a tight spiral. Timmy was one of the best deep throwers in the league. It's hard not to look like garbage sometimes when you're surrounded by garbage like if i only had a brain mediocre John Fox and Mike McCoy and the rest of the pathetic garbage team. Timmy haters act like timmy is surrounded by hall of fame coaches and elite NFL talent. Timmy took over a 5-16 team and took one of the shittyest teams to the playoffs and beat the steelers with an 80 yard pass to Demaryius Thomas (who is slow and coming off of knee surgery and has only 1 season of NFL experience) in fuckin overtime. Talk about clutch and handling the pressure. Timmy had 316 passing yards, 2 TDs, 50 rushing yards, 1 TD vs. the pittsburgh fuckin steelers. C'Mon Man

    He is a good football player but it is a joke how biased some people can be!!!
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by MoneySRH] Put down the crack pipe. Timmy throws the ball way too hard at times and throws a tight spiral. Timmy was one of the best deep throwers in the league. It's hard not to look like garbage sometimes when you're surrounded by garbage like if i only had a brain mediocre John Fox and Mike McCoy and the rest of the pathetic garbage team. Timmy haters act like timmy is surrounded by hall of fame coaches and elite NFL talent. Timmy took over a 5-16 team and took one of the shittyest teams to the playoffs and beat the steelers with an 80 yard pass to Demaryius Thomas (who is slow and coming off of knee surgery and has only 1 season of NFL experience) in fuckin overtime. Talk about clutch and handling the pressure. Timmy had 316 passing yards, 2 TDs, 50 rushing yards, 1 TD vs. the pittsburgh fuckin steelers. C'Mon Man

    He is a good football player but it is a joke how biased some people can be!!!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2012 - 8:33 PM ET #2727

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Put down the crack pipe. Timmy throws the ball way too hard at times and throws a tight spiral. Timmy was one of the best deep throwers in the league. It's hard not to look like garbage sometimes when you're surrounded by garbage like if i only had a brain mediocre John Fox and Mike McCoy and the rest of the pathetic garbage team. Timmy haters act like timmy is surrounded by hall of fame coaches and elite NFL talent. Timmy took over a 5-16 team and took one of the shittyest teams to the playoffs and beat the steelers with an 80 yard pass to Demaryius Thomas (who is slow and coming off of knee surgery and has only 1 season of NFL experience) in fuckin overtime. Talk about clutch and handling the pressure. Timmy had 316 passing yards, 2 TDs, 50 rushing yards, 1 TD vs. the pittsburgh fuckin steelers. C'Mon Man



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    Put down the crack pipe. Timmy throws the ball way too hard at times and throws a tight spiral. Timmy was one of the best deep throwers in the league. It's hard not to look like garbage sometimes when you're surrounded by garbage like if i only had a brain mediocre John Fox and Mike McCoy and the rest of the pathetic garbage team. Timmy haters act like timmy is surrounded by hall of fame coaches and elite NFL talent. Timmy took over a 5-16 team and took one of the shittyest teams to the playoffs and beat the steelers with an 80 yard pass to Demaryius Thomas (who is slow and coming off of knee surgery and has only 1 season of NFL experience) in fuckin overtime. Talk about clutch and handling the pressure. Timmy had 316 passing yards, 2 TDs, 50 rushing yards, 1 TD vs. the pittsburgh fuckin steelers. C'Mon Man



     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2012 - 8:33 PM ET #2728

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Put down the crack pipe. Timmy throws the ball way too hard at times and throws a tight spiral. Timmy was one of the best deep throwers in the league. It's hard not to look like garbage sometimes when you're surrounded by garbage like if i only had a brain mediocre John Fox and Mike McCoy and the rest of the pathetic garbage team. Timmy haters act like timmy is surrounded by hall of fame coaches and elite NFL talent. Timmy took over a 5-16 team and took one of the shittyest teams to the playoffs and beat the steelers with an 80 yard pass to Demaryius Thomas (who is slow and coming off of knee surgery and has only 1 season of NFL experience) in fuckin overtime. Talk about clutch and handling the pressure. Timmy had 316 passing yards, 2 TDs, 50 rushing yards, 1 TD vs. the pittsburgh fuckin steelers. C'Mon Man


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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Put down the crack pipe. Timmy throws the ball way too hard at times and throws a tight spiral. Timmy was one of the best deep throwers in the league. It's hard not to look like garbage sometimes when you're surrounded by garbage like if i only had a brain mediocre John Fox and Mike McCoy and the rest of the pathetic garbage team. Timmy haters act like timmy is surrounded by hall of fame coaches and elite NFL talent. Timmy took over a 5-16 team and took one of the shittyest teams to the playoffs and beat the steelers with an 80 yard pass to Demaryius Thomas (who is slow and coming off of knee surgery and has only 1 season of NFL experience) in fuckin overtime. Talk about clutch and handling the pressure. Timmy had 316 passing yards, 2 TDs, 50 rushing yards, 1 TD vs. the pittsburgh fuckin steelers. C'Mon Man


     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2012 - 11:05 PM ET #2729

    funny how Teblow beat the steelers.... " great defense"

    but they lost to the Pats " do they even have a defense " and at that only put up 10pts... with this awesome QB

    It dont matter tho.. next season we will see how well he does and at what point they pull him for the next backup... best of luck to you Teblow backers

     

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    funny how Teblow beat the steelers.... " great defense"

    but they lost to the Pats " do they even have a defense " and at that only put up 10pts... with this awesome QB

    It dont matter tho.. next season we will see how well he does and at what point they pull him for the next backup... best of luck to you Teblow backers

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 12:30 AM ET #2730

    Yeah what a loser Tebow is. A real winner wouldn't have stopped at taking over a 1-4 team and leading them to a division title. A real winner wouldn't have stopped at leading his team to a playoff victory as 9 point dogs while setting all kinds of playoff records. A real winner would have led his team to a SU win as 14 point dogs against the #1 seed and then taken that 1-4 team to the super bowl.

    The logic used by tolietpaper and the other hardcore Tebow haters is beyond idiotic.
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    Yeah what a loser Tebow is. A real winner wouldn't have stopped at taking over a 1-4 team and leading them to a division title. A real winner wouldn't have stopped at leading his team to a playoff victory as 9 point dogs while setting all kinds of playoff records. A real winner would have led his team to a SU win as 14 point dogs against the #1 seed and then taken that 1-4 team to the super bowl.

    The logic used by tolietpaper and the other hardcore Tebow haters is beyond idiotic.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 12:50 AM ET #2731

    why do i always see this stupid thread 
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    why do i always see this stupid thread 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 3:12 AM ET #2732

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Yeah what a loser Tebow is. A real winner wouldn't have stopped at taking over a 1-4 team and leading them to a division title. A real winner wouldn't have stopped at leading his team to a playoff victory as 9 point dogs while setting all kinds of playoff records. A real winner would have led his team to a SU win as 14 point dogs against the #1 seed and then taken that 1-4 team to the super bowl.

    The logic used by tolietpaper and the other hardcore Tebow haters is beyond idiotic.

     

    I am by no means a "hater" as you always like to call other people, but even you have to admit that although his run was something special, he did have several things line up in his favor along the way. I mean even Pittsburgh kind of said "you are so bad we don't even have to change our strategy and will still beat you." That didn't work out to well for them and that is definitely their own fault. Furthermore, they also had several key injuries and this wasn't a Steelers team at full force. I'm not saying that he couldn't have won the game, but I think even you would have to agree the outcome could have been different if these two things were different. It seemed like several games the Broncos played along the winning stretch had these kind of components in them. When they played Chicago, Forte was hurt and some other key people on defense and so on and so on. Again I know you can only play the team that is put in front of you, but there were alot of matchups that went their way along this stretch run. I'm not taking anything away from the guy, but I am trying to be a little more objective than some people are when analyzing Tebow's performance. The team was going nowhere when he took over and I think he was the right person in the right place at the right time. There was no favorable matchup when they met the Patriots and Tom Brady and the defense made sure they weren't going to become part of a footnote in this improbable run the Broncos were on. I don't know about anyone else, but I hadn't seen the Patriots' d-line play like that all season. Teabow didn't have time to think let alone throw a pass. If they play like that against the Ravens, Joe Flacco will have a very long day. The bottom line is Teabow made this a very fun debate and season, as many casual fans really got on board with story. His legacy is not complete, but when you keep over zealously defending every comment about him and try to cross examine every negative thing written about him, you start to look like one of the casual fan that jumped on the bandwagon. I think anybody that can look up stats can make a counterpoint for almost anything in the NFL. The league is filled with parity and that is why it is so sucessful and why we love to debate it. It's a long off-season, but for now it looks as though the "haters" have the momentum shifting in their favor. Hold tight and realize that this is like a coin flip with the future of Timmy. Nobody knows for sure what is going to happen, but we do know that his last game was probably his worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Yeah what a loser Tebow is. A real winner wouldn't have stopped at taking over a 1-4 team and leading them to a division title. A real winner wouldn't have stopped at leading his team to a playoff victory as 9 point dogs while setting all kinds of playoff records. A real winner would have led his team to a SU win as 14 point dogs against the #1 seed and then taken that 1-4 team to the super bowl.

    The logic used by tolietpaper and the other hardcore Tebow haters is beyond idiotic.

     

    I am by no means a "hater" as you always like to call other people, but even you have to admit that although his run was something special, he did have several things line up in his favor along the way. I mean even Pittsburgh kind of said "you are so bad we don't even have to change our strategy and will still beat you." That didn't work out to well for them and that is definitely their own fault. Furthermore, they also had several key injuries and this wasn't a Steelers team at full force. I'm not saying that he couldn't have won the game, but I think even you would have to agree the outcome could have been different if these two things were different. It seemed like several games the Broncos played along the winning stretch had these kind of components in them. When they played Chicago, Forte was hurt and some other key people on defense and so on and so on. Again I know you can only play the team that is put in front of you, but there were alot of matchups that went their way along this stretch run. I'm not taking anything away from the guy, but I am trying to be a little more objective than some people are when analyzing Tebow's performance. The team was going nowhere when he took over and I think he was the right person in the right place at the right time. There was no favorable matchup when they met the Patriots and Tom Brady and the defense made sure they weren't going to become part of a footnote in this improbable run the Broncos were on. I don't know about anyone else, but I hadn't seen the Patriots' d-line play like that all season. Teabow didn't have time to think let alone throw a pass. If they play like that against the Ravens, Joe Flacco will have a very long day. The bottom line is Teabow made this a very fun debate and season, as many casual fans really got on board with story. His legacy is not complete, but when you keep over zealously defending every comment about him and try to cross examine every negative thing written about him, you start to look like one of the casual fan that jumped on the bandwagon. I think anybody that can look up stats can make a counterpoint for almost anything in the NFL. The league is filled with parity and that is why it is so sucessful and why we love to debate it. It's a long off-season, but for now it looks as though the "haters" have the momentum shifting in their favor. Hold tight and realize that this is like a coin flip with the future of Timmy. Nobody knows for sure what is going to happen, but we do know that his last game was probably his worst.

     
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    My theory is never judge the quarterback until you analyze the coaching staff and the talent surrounding him first. If the quarterback has elite talent surrounding him and elite NFL minds coaching him then you can say he sucks. If the quarterback takes over a absolutely pathetic 5-16 team and is a rookie (A member of an athletic team in his or her first full season in that sport) and has a shit for brains coach and takes that shitty team to the playoffs and wins (against the STEELERS) then there is something special about that player.
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    My theory is never judge the quarterback until you analyze the coaching staff and the talent surrounding him first. If the quarterback has elite talent surrounding him and elite NFL minds coaching him then you can say he sucks. If the quarterback takes over a absolutely pathetic 5-16 team and is a rookie (A member of an athletic team in his or her first full season in that sport) and has a shit for brains coach and takes that shitty team to the playoffs and wins (against the STEELERS) then there is something special about that player.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 10:25 AM ET #2734

    this was nothing more then a sports "feel good" story...we all know it....this kid will not be a full time starter in the NFL beyond game 4 of next season...he should be used as a back-up that you can toss in there in certain short yardage situations a couple times a game...beyond that, chaulk it up for Tebow, he isn't going to last as a full time starting QB. 
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    this was nothing more then a sports "feel good" story...we all know it....this kid will not be a full time starter in the NFL beyond game 4 of next season...he should be used as a back-up that you can toss in there in certain short yardage situations a couple times a game...beyond that, chaulk it up for Tebow, he isn't going to last as a full time starting QB. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 10:31 AM ET #2735

    Quote Originally Posted by billsneedhelp:

    why do i always see this stupid thread 

    I agree

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    and this thread has to go...enough already

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    Quote Originally Posted by billsneedhelp:

    why do i always see this stupid thread 

    I agree

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    and this thread has to go...enough already

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 1:48 PM ET #2736

    @ post 2737

    So if the losing team did things differently the outcome of the game could have been different?

    That's true for every NFL game ever played. Especially the close ones.
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    So if the losing team did things differently the outcome of the game could have been different?

    That's true for every NFL game ever played. Especially the close ones.
     
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    I am by no means stating they are the same style player...pay attention to that please......but Doug Flutie dealt with doubters his entire career and all he did was continue to improve and do all he could to benefit his team...I see Tim Tebow having to deal with this sort of thing his entire time in the N.F.L.also ...no matter how well he does
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    I am by no means stating they are the same style player...pay attention to that please......but Doug Flutie dealt with doubters his entire career and all he did was continue to improve and do all he could to benefit his team...I see Tim Tebow having to deal with this sort of thing his entire time in the N.F.L.also ...no matter how well he does
     
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    Time to kill this thread til next year.

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    Time to kill this thread til next year.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 4:21 PM ET #2739

    I agree joboarder. And even IF Tebow ended up winning league MVP in the same season he led his team to a super bowl win there would still be the hardcore haters that would use every excuse imaginable to avoid giving Tebow any credit.

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    I agree joboarder. And even IF Tebow ended up winning league MVP in the same season he led his team to a super bowl win there would still be the hardcore haters that would use every excuse imaginable to avoid giving Tebow any credit.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 4:52 PM ET #2740

    Quote Originally Posted by joboarder:

    I am by no means stating they are the same style player...pay attention to that please......but Doug Flutie dealt with doubters his entire career and all he did was continue to improve and do all he could to benefit his team...I see Tim Tebow having to deal with this sort of thing his entire time in the N.F.L.also ...no matter how well he does


    Maybe in College and the "n" because nobody up here in Canada doubter that little fucker for a second. He was incredible here and every year and team he played for was favored to win the Grey Cup. Guy still had a rocket and great pocket sense. The one and only comparison like you said, is the doubters but only in America was Flutie doubted. We looked way past his size up here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joboarder:

    I am by no means stating they are the same style player...pay attention to that please......but Doug Flutie dealt with doubters his entire career and all he did was continue to improve and do all he could to benefit his team...I see Tim Tebow having to deal with this sort of thing his entire time in the N.F.L.also ...no matter how well he does


    Maybe in College and the "n" because nobody up here in Canada doubter that little fucker for a second. He was incredible here and every year and team he played for was favored to win the Grey Cup. Guy still had a rocket and great pocket sense. The one and only comparison like you said, is the doubters but only in America was Flutie doubted. We looked way past his size up here.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 5:10 PM ET #2741

    I totally agree...he is probably the worst NFL QB ever!  His plays are the old college wishbone!...

     

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    I totally agree...he is probably the worst NFL QB ever!  His plays are the old college wishbone!...

     

    Worthless in the NFL  -- he has to learn to pass.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 6:26 PM ET #2742

    So the worst QB in NFL history who can't pass owns several NFL postseason records for... passing.

    Interesting theory.
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    So the worst QB in NFL history who can't pass owns several NFL postseason records for... passing.

    Interesting theory.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 7:46 PM ET #2743

    Yeah, Ol' Teblow really is a total sadsack as a NFL QB.  

     And what gives this jabroni the right to spout religious mumbo-jumbo and strike preposterous self-serving poses on the filed of play, anyway?   As I said before, they should throw a flag everytime he does that and toss him out of the game if he becomes a repeat offender.  If not, other players should start wearing sandwich boards promoting their political candidates or sponsors.  I can just see pretty boy, Tom Brady, dropping back to pass under a severe rush....wearing a giant sandwich board that says "Vote for Newt" or "Eat at Moes".  Hey, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    But no, that holy roller, Teblow wants to have his cake and eat it, too.  Pretty soon, players will step into the huddle wearing rosary beads,a priests robe, and citing scripture instead of calling the plays. 

    This insanity must cease now before it ruins professional football and forces us to suicide.

     

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    Yeah, Ol' Teblow really is a total sadsack as a NFL QB.  

     And what gives this jabroni the right to spout religious mumbo-jumbo and strike preposterous self-serving poses on the filed of play, anyway?   As I said before, they should throw a flag everytime he does that and toss him out of the game if he becomes a repeat offender.  If not, other players should start wearing sandwich boards promoting their political candidates or sponsors.  I can just see pretty boy, Tom Brady, dropping back to pass under a severe rush....wearing a giant sandwich board that says "Vote for Newt" or "Eat at Moes".  Hey, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    But no, that holy roller, Teblow wants to have his cake and eat it, too.  Pretty soon, players will step into the huddle wearing rosary beads,a priests robe, and citing scripture instead of calling the plays. 

    This insanity must cease now before it ruins professional football and forces us to suicide.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 8:14 PM ET #2744

    So someone quietly praying to themselves is going to cause you to commit suicide? Since you already have your mind made up I suggest pills. Don't be an even bigger asshole and make someone clean up your brains off the wall.
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    So someone quietly praying to themselves is going to cause you to commit suicide? Since you already have your mind made up I suggest pills. Don't be an even bigger asshole and make someone clean up your brains off the wall.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 8:37 PM ET #2745

    No, no, no!   You are failing to understand the insidious power of organized religion.  It's systemic and if left unabated, soon entire leagues will spring up organized along religious lines.  San Diego is already set.  They can just borrow the baseball team's name and call themselves "The Padres". I can just picture them squaring off against the New England Bible Thumpers  for the right to meet the San Francisco Devil Worshippers in the "Holy Bowl".

    Besides, who would want their kid to grow up to be like Tim Teblow? A *real* football player idolizes folk heros such as Lawrence Taylor and Michael Irvin.  A real football player would never be caught praying in public. At the very least they would wear a Floyd Patterson type disguise to avoid being recongized and ridiculed. 

    Sheesh, what's this world coming to, anyway?

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    No, no, no!   You are failing to understand the insidious power of organized religion.  It's systemic and if left unabated, soon entire leagues will spring up organized along religious lines.  San Diego is already set.  They can just borrow the baseball team's name and call themselves "The Padres". I can just picture them squaring off against the New England Bible Thumpers  for the right to meet the San Francisco Devil Worshippers in the "Holy Bowl".

    Besides, who would want their kid to grow up to be like Tim Teblow? A *real* football player idolizes folk heros such as Lawrence Taylor and Michael Irvin.  A real football player would never be caught praying in public. At the very least they would wear a Floyd Patterson type disguise to avoid being recongized and ridiculed. 

    Sheesh, what's this world coming to, anyway?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 8:48 PM ET #2746

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 8:51 PM ET #2747

    It was the "lighten up Francis" scene from Stripes.
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    It was the "lighten up Francis" scene from Stripes.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 9:18 PM ET #2748

    Quote Originally Posted by flkulchar:

    I totally agree...he is probably the worst NFL QB ever!  His plays are the old college wishbone!...

     

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    Idiot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flkulchar:

    I totally agree...he is probably the worst NFL QB ever!  His plays are the old college wishbone!...

     

    Worthless in the NFL  -- he has to learn to pass.


    Idiot....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bejabbers:

    Yeah, Ol' Teblow really is a total sadsack as a NFL QB.  

     And what gives this jabroni the right to spout religious mumbo-jumbo and strike preposterous self-serving poses on the filed of play, anyway?   As I said before, they should throw a flag everytime he does that and toss him out of the game if he becomes a repeat offender.  If not, other players should start wearing sandwich boards promoting their political candidates or sponsors.  I can just see pretty boy, Tom Brady, dropping back to pass under a severe rush....wearing a giant sandwich board that says "Vote for Newt" or "Eat at Moes".  Hey, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    But no, that holy roller, Teblow wants to have his cake and eat it, too.  Pretty soon, players will step into the huddle wearing rosary beads,a priests robe, and citing scripture instead of calling the plays. 

    This insanity must cease now before it ruins professional football and forces us to suicide.

     



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    Quote Originally Posted by bejabbers:

    Yeah, Ol' Teblow really is a total sadsack as a NFL QB.  

     And what gives this jabroni the right to spout religious mumbo-jumbo and strike preposterous self-serving poses on the filed of play, anyway?   As I said before, they should throw a flag everytime he does that and toss him out of the game if he becomes a repeat offender.  If not, other players should start wearing sandwich boards promoting their political candidates or sponsors.  I can just see pretty boy, Tom Brady, dropping back to pass under a severe rush....wearing a giant sandwich board that says "Vote for Newt" or "Eat at Moes".  Hey, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    But no, that holy roller, Teblow wants to have his cake and eat it, too.  Pretty soon, players will step into the huddle wearing rosary beads,a priests robe, and citing scripture instead of calling the plays. 

    This insanity must cease now before it ruins professional football and forces us to suicide.

     



    Ahhhh..a Vick sycophant....people amaze me!!!
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 3:47 AM ET #2750

    Quote Originally Posted by robbie0570:

    this was nothing more then a sports "feel good" story...we all know it....this kid will not be a full time starter in the NFL beyond game 4 of next season...he should be used as a back-up that you can toss in there in certain short yardage situations a couple times a game...beyond that, chaulk it up for Tebow, he isn't going to last as a full time starting QB. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by robbie0570:

    this was nothing more then a sports "feel good" story...we all know it....this kid will not be a full time starter in the NFL beyond game 4 of next season...he should be used as a back-up that you can toss in there in certain short yardage situations a couple times a game...beyond that, chaulk it up for Tebow, he isn't going to last as a full time starting QB. 


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