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    Here are some of the reasons why it's hard to fix games and how I hv used the games I hv lost to build my database and understand the game within the game.

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 2:30 PM ET #26

    ummm they all wear headsets dipshit.. easy to say "now miss this catch"

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    ummm they all wear headsets dipshit.. easy to say "now miss this catch"

     
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    dipshit? Seriously? That's the best you've got? Please provide a copy of an audio recording of someone telling a player to "miss the catch" or "fumble the ball." Again, I'll wait. Because it COULD be possible doesn't at all mean it IS possible. Again, your beliefs are not based upon good reasons. You are making a claim without deep examination. Your belief is not based upon any evidence at all. It's based upon "faith." And that's not desirable. Faith is the glorification of voluntary ignorance. Faith is the reason you give when you don't have a good reason.
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    dipshit? Seriously? That's the best you've got? Please provide a copy of an audio recording of someone telling a player to "miss the catch" or "fumble the ball." Again, I'll wait. Because it COULD be possible doesn't at all mean it IS possible. Again, your beliefs are not based upon good reasons. You are making a claim without deep examination. Your belief is not based upon any evidence at all. It's based upon "faith." And that's not desirable. Faith is the glorification of voluntary ignorance. Faith is the reason you give when you don't have a good reason.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 2:58 PM ET #28

    The time to believe in something, anything at all, is after there is sufficient evidence and justification to warrant that belief. Not before. There MIGHT be a teapot named Russell, orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter, that is too small to be seen with our telescopes. But until there is evidence for such a teapot, there's no reason to believe it exists. There MIGHT be gold nuggets the size of your fist buried in your backyard, just inches below the surface. But until there is evidence for such nuggets, there's no reason to believe they exist. I get it... some of you think the NFL is fixed. But your belief is based upon bad reasons. At best a "bad call" is simply that... a bad call. Haven't you ever made a mistake in your job? If you think you can do better, why aren't you an NFL official? You are making a determination about something without any evidence at all, without any justification, and without examination. That's never an ideal thing to do. If you were wrongly accused of a crime, would you want a jury of your peers determining your fate without any evidence? That's EXACTLY what you are doing here. You're also basically calling the players and referees and NFL employees liars (since they will deny the claim)... and again doing so without evidence!!!! Why would anyone want to do that? Do you want to be accused of something without any evidence it is true? I'm curious... what other things do you conspiracy theorists believe in, that there is no evidence for? Fairies? Gremlins? Goblins? Vampires? Ghosts? Bigfoot? Pink unicorns?
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    The time to believe in something, anything at all, is after there is sufficient evidence and justification to warrant that belief. Not before. There MIGHT be a teapot named Russell, orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter, that is too small to be seen with our telescopes. But until there is evidence for such a teapot, there's no reason to believe it exists. There MIGHT be gold nuggets the size of your fist buried in your backyard, just inches below the surface. But until there is evidence for such nuggets, there's no reason to believe they exist. I get it... some of you think the NFL is fixed. But your belief is based upon bad reasons. At best a "bad call" is simply that... a bad call. Haven't you ever made a mistake in your job? If you think you can do better, why aren't you an NFL official? You are making a determination about something without any evidence at all, without any justification, and without examination. That's never an ideal thing to do. If you were wrongly accused of a crime, would you want a jury of your peers determining your fate without any evidence? That's EXACTLY what you are doing here. You're also basically calling the players and referees and NFL employees liars (since they will deny the claim)... and again doing so without evidence!!!! Why would anyone want to do that? Do you want to be accused of something without any evidence it is true? I'm curious... what other things do you conspiracy theorists believe in, that there is no evidence for? Fairies? Gremlins? Goblins? Vampires? Ghosts? Bigfoot? Pink unicorns?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 3:17 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    Gotta keep games close? Seriously? Demonstrate to me how the games would not be as close if there were no rigging going on. Furthermore, how do you account for the many, many games that are not close at all?

    flags are used to kill or extend drives to keep game close so audience watches, touchdowns called back etc.   There are uncalled penalties on almost every play, they pick and choose.  as far as blowouts occurring they give fans like you the argument of "see every game is not close" 

    refs control certain games. not all games, some are mismatches beyond control.

    a few years ago when ezekial elliot was appealing his 6 six game suspension, the cowboys opponents went 7 or eight games without committing an offensive holding penalty.  when defensive end demarcus lawrence was asked about it, he shook his head and said he gets held on nearly every play.  If you think that happened naturally you are living in a fantasy world.  

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    Gotta keep games close? Seriously? Demonstrate to me how the games would not be as close if there were no rigging going on. Furthermore, how do you account for the many, many games that are not close at all?

    flags are used to kill or extend drives to keep game close so audience watches, touchdowns called back etc.   There are uncalled penalties on almost every play, they pick and choose.  as far as blowouts occurring they give fans like you the argument of "see every game is not close" 

    refs control certain games. not all games, some are mismatches beyond control.

    a few years ago when ezekial elliot was appealing his 6 six game suspension, the cowboys opponents went 7 or eight games without committing an offensive holding penalty.  when defensive end demarcus lawrence was asked about it, he shook his head and said he gets held on nearly every play.  If you think that happened naturally you are living in a fantasy world.  

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 3:25 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    The NFL is "in bed" with US betting sites and gets a percentage of all NFL bets placed? Seriously? Please provide evidence for this claim. I'll wait.

    nfl has deals with draftkings and fanduel, official sponsorships, there are sportsbooks in certain arena.  these partnerships are not a secret. a partnership would qualify as     "In bed".    

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    The NFL is "in bed" with US betting sites and gets a percentage of all NFL bets placed? Seriously? Please provide evidence for this claim. I'll wait.

    nfl has deals with draftkings and fanduel, official sponsorships, there are sportsbooks in certain arena.  these partnerships are not a secret. a partnership would qualify as     "In bed".    

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 3:39 PM ET #31

    Show me actual evidence games are fixed or pre-determined. That's all I ask. It this were actually going on, that shouldn't be hard to do.
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    Show me actual evidence games are fixed or pre-determined. That's all I ask. It this were actually going on, that shouldn't be hard to do.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 3:53 PM ET #32

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 4:23 PM ET #33

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     Have you watch the games? Most of them are rigged, not saying all. And most recently it have been more obviously than not. Maybe because of the legal sort gambling they're allowing in the states now. It's called Sports Entertainment, it's a damn business and Vegas controls it. Refs, players, coaches. They're all paid to do so. Even Gordell was on the record stating that it's entertainment. Sometimes they make the dumbest plays that will blow your mind. I'm sorry that you cannot see it bro. Anyways, good luck and stay blessed. 

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     Have you watch the games? Most of them are rigged, not saying all. And most recently it have been more obviously than not. Maybe because of the legal sort gambling they're allowing in the states now. It's called Sports Entertainment, it's a damn business and Vegas controls it. Refs, players, coaches. They're all paid to do so. Even Gordell was on the record stating that it's entertainment. Sometimes they make the dumbest plays that will blow your mind. I'm sorry that you cannot see it bro. Anyways, good luck and stay blessed. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 4:28 PM ET #34

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    before you watch a game  get a piece of paper, fold it in half

    on one side write every penalty called, who it was called against what was the scenario, did it extend or end a drive etc and most importantly was it a legit penalty, not a phantom hold etc.

    on the other side  document every missed call, like when there is an obvious hold or pi and they don't call it, but it is easy to see yet ignored

    at the end of the game look at everything, you might not like what you wrote down.

     

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    before you watch a game  get a piece of paper, fold it in half

    on one side write every penalty called, who it was called against what was the scenario, did it extend or end a drive etc and most importantly was it a legit penalty, not a phantom hold etc.

    on the other side  document every missed call, like when there is an obvious hold or pi and they don't call it, but it is easy to see yet ignored

    at the end of the game look at everything, you might not like what you wrote down.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 4:36 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    Show me actual evidence games are fixed or pre-determined. That's all I ask. It this were actually going on, that shouldn't be hard to do.

    You will just ignore every piece of evidence and brush it off.  some players have come forward, bubba smith, larry johnson and dwight smith come to mind.  watch how sb 40 was gifted to the steelers, ref even had to apologize, he was the scapegoat.  way too much evidence to waste my time posting.   do you know what a coverup is?  If you know you are right why do you care so much if someone thinks it is fixed? why wasted your time debating?  You are getting way too upset.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    Show me actual evidence games are fixed or pre-determined. That's all I ask. It this were actually going on, that shouldn't be hard to do.

    You will just ignore every piece of evidence and brush it off.  some players have come forward, bubba smith, larry johnson and dwight smith come to mind.  watch how sb 40 was gifted to the steelers, ref even had to apologize, he was the scapegoat.  way too much evidence to waste my time posting.   do you know what a coverup is?  If you know you are right why do you care so much if someone thinks it is fixed? why wasted your time debating?  You are getting way too upset.  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 4:43 PM ET #36

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     Yeah the NFL would have no reason to fix games like making sure division races come down to the last game and preferred teams advance. Idiot. 

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     Yeah the NFL would have no reason to fix games like making sure division races come down to the last game and preferred teams advance. Idiot. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 4:56 PM ET #37

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     You live in a fantasy world. I wish you the best.

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     You live in a fantasy world. I wish you the best.

     
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    Interesting!new_devil

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    Interesting!new_devil

     
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           Watch that punt return at the end of the New England/NY Jets game a few weeks ago when the score was a blistering 3-3.   At least TWO blocks in the back were not called on the Pats and watch the effort on #34 of the Jets when he was within reach of the Pats returner at the end of the ret

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           Watch that punt return at the end of the New England/NY Jets game a few weeks ago when the score was a blistering 3-3.   At least TWO blocks in the back were not called on the Pats and watch the effort on #34 of the Jets when he was within reach of the Pats returner at the end of the ret

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 5:29 PM ET #40

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     Happens every week.

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     Happens every week.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

    Does it really save you time in typing to not include the "a" and "e" in the word have?

    My same thought hahaha an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

    Does it really save you time in typing to not include the "a" and "e" in the word have?

    My same thought hahaha an_roll_laugh

     
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    Show me some evidence. That's all I'm asking... and yet no one is able to do so. Your beliefs are based upon bad reasons. Your arguments are ones from incredulity. "I can't possibly believe he missed that tackle.... therefore the game must be rigged." "I can't believe he dropped that pass... therefore the game must be rigged." Well, that's not how you determine that something is true.
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    Show me some evidence. That's all I'm asking... and yet no one is able to do so. Your beliefs are based upon bad reasons. Your arguments are ones from incredulity. "I can't possibly believe he missed that tackle.... therefore the game must be rigged." "I can't believe he dropped that pass... therefore the game must be rigged." Well, that's not how you determine that something is true.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 6:03 PM ET #43

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     Been keeping posts to a minimum this year as I am convinced 100% that NFL games manipluated not fixed. As long as there is an exciting finish to the game that and action on it thats the recipe. The proof is the right there week after week and call (or non call) after call. Or stupid play after stupid play. These are so called professionals?? Not to mention the refs (not all) but some If you believe are in it on 100%. You lying to yourself and others here. Keep believing the lies and you end up with what you deserve. The NFL is the drug and you are the consumer. 

    Keep that belief in your lying eyes that the NFL is pure as the snow! LOL! 

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     Been keeping posts to a minimum this year as I am convinced 100% that NFL games manipluated not fixed. As long as there is an exciting finish to the game that and action on it thats the recipe. The proof is the right there week after week and call (or non call) after call. Or stupid play after stupid play. These are so called professionals?? Not to mention the refs (not all) but some If you believe are in it on 100%. You lying to yourself and others here. Keep believing the lies and you end up with what you deserve. The NFL is the drug and you are the consumer. 

    Keep that belief in your lying eyes that the NFL is pure as the snow! LOL! 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 6:18 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    dipshit? Seriously? That's the best you've got? Please provide a copy of an audio recording of someone telling a player to "miss the catch" or "fumble the ball." Again, I'll wait. Because it COULD be possible doesn't at all mean it IS possible. Again, your beliefs are not based upon good reasons. You are making a claim without deep examination. Your belief is not based upon any evidence at all. It's based upon "faith." And that's not desirable. Faith is the glorification of voluntary ignorance. Faith is the reason you give when you don't have a good reason.

    From this statement I take it you don't believe in Jesus. I will pray for you. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    dipshit? Seriously? That's the best you've got? Please provide a copy of an audio recording of someone telling a player to "miss the catch" or "fumble the ball." Again, I'll wait. Because it COULD be possible doesn't at all mean it IS possible. Again, your beliefs are not based upon good reasons. You are making a claim without deep examination. Your belief is not based upon any evidence at all. It's based upon "faith." And that's not desirable. Faith is the glorification of voluntary ignorance. Faith is the reason you give when you don't have a good reason.

    From this statement I take it you don't believe in Jesus. I will pray for you. 

     
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    nfl not rigged new_laugh_cry   oh yea like the media would say anything remember 2 weeks too slow an_laugh curve  you can't get covid if you take the vaccine  no side effects lol the media won't say shit, players sign confidentiality agreements ,you think they would let those guys on tv talking about fixed games, its fine if you don't believe it, its really good when you can sniff one out and be on the same side moneybag

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    nfl not rigged new_laugh_cry   oh yea like the media would say anything remember 2 weeks too slow an_laugh curve  you can't get covid if you take the vaccine  no side effects lol the media won't say shit, players sign confidentiality agreements ,you think they would let those guys on tv talking about fixed games, its fine if you don't believe it, its really good when you can sniff one out and be on the same side moneybag

     
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    "I will pray for you." This comment sounds like an alien language to atheists. It comes out something like this:  "BZPZTPFDQFYTOT." When this alien phrase is interpreted, it becomes clear the person who is making such a comment feels quite smug and superior in that he/she has chosen the RIGHT god, and that he/she now has a direct pipeline TO this God, whereas you do not, and he/she will put in a good word for you, you lowlife scum.
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    "I will pray for you." This comment sounds like an alien language to atheists. It comes out something like this:  "BZPZTPFDQFYTOT." When this alien phrase is interpreted, it becomes clear the person who is making such a comment feels quite smug and superior in that he/she has chosen the RIGHT god, and that he/she now has a direct pipeline TO this God, whereas you do not, and he/she will put in a good word for you, you lowlife scum.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2022 - 7:00 PM ET #47

    I know this is goiing to get me in trouble but 

     

    Which of these things do not belong in the same category ?

     

    A) Rigging NFL games is common    B) Crypto currency will make us all rich  C) Donald Trump   D) None of the above

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    I know this is goiing to get me in trouble but 

     

    Which of these things do not belong in the same category ?

     

    A) Rigging NFL games is common    B) Crypto currency will make us all rich  C) Donald Trump   D) None of the above

     
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    @Ed-Collins

     They got this racket so sealed up you'd be dead within 12 hours if you stumbled into the truth!

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     They got this racket so sealed up you'd be dead within 12 hours if you stumbled into the truth!

     
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    @Ed-Collins

     Sorry you feel or interpret me wrong. If you choose not to believe that's on you. Not me. Faith is very desiable. Sorry you dont see it that way. Good luck with your bets. 

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     Sorry you feel or interpret me wrong. If you choose not to believe that's on you. Not me. Faith is very desiable. Sorry you dont see it that way. Good luck with your bets. 

     
     
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