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    For those of you calling people "squares" and "the public"....how'd you do today?

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    RonaldRegan22
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 7:45 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

    Chiefs was definitely the sharp play of the day... being a favorite does not make you the square play... common misconception!

    When did i say being a favorite makes it a square play?

    Ive never in my life even suggested that...

    but when you have the chiefs line opening up at 7....and over 67% of public money pouring in on them....driving the line up to 7.5 ....or even 8 at some places.....then by no means is that a sharp play.

    The "sharp" play of the day....was the Rams.  Which lost.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

    Chiefs was definitely the sharp play of the day... being a favorite does not make you the square play... common misconception!

    When did i say being a favorite makes it a square play?

    Ive never in my life even suggested that...

    but when you have the chiefs line opening up at 7....and over 67% of public money pouring in on them....driving the line up to 7.5 ....or even 8 at some places.....then by no means is that a sharp play.

    The "sharp" play of the day....was the Rams.  Which lost.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 7:45 PM ET #27

    ronald  avoiding  my  questions??????????
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 7:48 PM ET #28

    I did OK, turned a profit so far.  Would of been a little better if I could of pushed that under in the falcons game. Can't believe lams let turner break a 39 yard run, so disgusting!
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    I did OK, turned a profit so far.  Would of been a little better if I could of pushed that under in the falcons game. Can't believe lams let turner break a 39 yard run, so disgusting!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 7:49 PM ET #29

    Where you been bro?  No point talking about all the games and your wins if you don't post consistently don't you think?  Obviously the "sharp" side got hammered this weekend.  No need to rub it in.  Especially if you said you would help and assist people.  Wish you would post more consistently since you are a good capper.  With that said I guess I'll end my weekend burning more money on the Giants/Eagles under since it's already in!

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    Where you been bro?  No point talking about all the games and your wins if you don't post consistently don't you think?  Obviously the "sharp" side got hammered this weekend.  No need to rub it in.  Especially if you said you would help and assist people.  Wish you would post more consistently since you are a good capper.  With that said I guess I'll end my weekend burning more money on the Giants/Eagles under since it's already in!

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 7:51 PM ET #30

    you  are  sharp  as  bowling  ball  ronald
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 7:52 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by jack4469:

    a "sharp" like  you  losing "disgusting"

    when did i say i lost?

    reading is fundamental...please try again.

    do you think i bet on everyone of those games i listed?  you think i bet 9 games a day?

    i was merely pointing out the fact that alot of people on this site in particular are soo worried about what the "public" is doing...all i was doing was making a point...that it doesnt matter if youre public or square or sharp or whatever name you wanna label someone as........anyone can win on any given day.

     

    Alot of people in this forum are obsessed with fading the public....if you did that today...you got fucking smoked.

    that was my point.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack4469:

    a "sharp" like  you  losing "disgusting"

    when did i say i lost?

    reading is fundamental...please try again.

    do you think i bet on everyone of those games i listed?  you think i bet 9 games a day?

    i was merely pointing out the fact that alot of people on this site in particular are soo worried about what the "public" is doing...all i was doing was making a point...that it doesnt matter if youre public or square or sharp or whatever name you wanna label someone as........anyone can win on any given day.

     

    Alot of people in this forum are obsessed with fading the public....if you did that today...you got fucking smoked.

    that was my point.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 7:54 PM ET #32

    Tonight im on the Giants....

    BOL to everyone.

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    Tonight im on the Giants....

    BOL to everyone.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 7:55 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by RonaldRegan22:

    when did i say i lost?

    reading is fundamental...please try again.

    do you think i bet on everyone of those games i listed?  you think i bet 9 games a day?

    i was merely pointing out the fact that alot of people on this site in particular are soo worried about what the "public" is doing...all i was doing was making a point...that it doesnt matter if youre public or square or sharp or whatever name you wanna label someone as........anyone can win on any given day.

     

    Alot of people in this forum are obsessed with fading the public....if you did that today...you got fucking smoked.

    that was my point.

     

     






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    Quote Originally Posted by RonaldRegan22:

    when did i say i lost?

    reading is fundamental...please try again.

    do you think i bet on everyone of those games i listed?  you think i bet 9 games a day?

    i was merely pointing out the fact that alot of people on this site in particular are soo worried about what the "public" is doing...all i was doing was making a point...that it doesnt matter if youre public or square or sharp or whatever name you wanna label someone as........anyone can win on any given day.

     

    Alot of people in this forum are obsessed with fading the public....if you did that today...you got fucking smoked.

    that was my point.

     

     






     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 8:00 PM ET #34

    And what exactly made the Rams THE  "sharp" play today ?
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    And what exactly made the Rams THE  "sharp" play today ?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 8:04 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by estes1717:

    The Squres will shit there pants tonight

    Nope, the squares get crushed TOMORROW nite on the Chargers...Square Day = Eagels tonite

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    Quote Originally Posted by estes1717:

    The Squres will shit there pants tonight

    Nope, the squares get crushed TOMORROW nite on the Chargers...Square Day = Eagels tonite

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 8:16 PM ET #36

    So am I a sharp or a square? Seriously I don't know, not bragging but figure out if I'm a sharp or a square and give me reasoning and I'll try to be open minded, but just don't beleive.

    These are all documented plays on Covers.

    Baltimore game -9.5

    Baltimore 2H -4

    Green Bay game -3

    Green Bay 2H pk

    Atlanta Game -3.5

    Atlanta 2H 

    Indy Game +4.5 

    Wisconisn NCAA -4

    Illinois -7 

    Iowa vs. Xavier....Xavier -5.5 

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    So am I a sharp or a square? Seriously I don't know, not bragging but figure out if I'm a sharp or a square and give me reasoning and I'll try to be open minded, but just don't beleive.

    These are all documented plays on Covers.

    Baltimore game -9.5

    Baltimore 2H -4

    Green Bay game -3

    Green Bay 2H pk

    Atlanta Game -3.5

    Atlanta 2H 

    Indy Game +4.5 

    Wisconisn NCAA -4

    Illinois -7 

    Iowa vs. Xavier....Xavier -5.5 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2010 - 8:19 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    And what exactly made the Rams THE  "sharp" play today ?

    every person you asked would probably give you a different reason as to why a play is sharp....

    but...

    The reason why i said the rams were the "sharp" play of the day....is because i live in vegas....and from what i saw.... alot of guys out here..who are very well respected for there capping skills.....were throwing big money on the rams....which is why the books never budged the line.  despite all the public money coming in on the falcons...the line held strong with no movement despite heavy hitters throwing large money on the rams.  Im not talking about some online cappers with a cute star next to there name...im talking legit sharps/wiseguys....real vegas runners.....were on the Rams.  Atleast the ones i know of.

    Just going off what i see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    And what exactly made the Rams THE  "sharp" play today ?

    every person you asked would probably give you a different reason as to why a play is sharp....

    but...

    The reason why i said the rams were the "sharp" play of the day....is because i live in vegas....and from what i saw.... alot of guys out here..who are very well respected for there capping skills.....were throwing big money on the rams....which is why the books never budged the line.  despite all the public money coming in on the falcons...the line held strong with no movement despite heavy hitters throwing large money on the rams.  Im not talking about some online cappers with a cute star next to there name...im talking legit sharps/wiseguys....real vegas runners.....were on the Rams.  Atleast the ones i know of.

    Just going off what i see.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonaldRegan22:

    IM wrong?

    really?

    Im in casinos 50 hours a week....i communicate and network with ALOT of bookmakers and locals out here....unlike you, who sits behind i computer...i can actually visibily seeee where all the money is coming in....im IN HOUSE when lines get moved.

    and If you wanna talk betting trends,...i dont care what site you use....i guarantee you that every single one of those plays that i listed....aside from the Colts....have more than 65% of the "betting public" placing wagers on those teams.

    If you think any bookmakers or casinos made money today off of football.....then you have the IQ of a squid.

    and despite what your little wagerline consensus says....the COLTS were getting pounded.  Anytime you have the most heavily bet on team in the entire nfl...getting 4.5 points....chances are the books need the other side....and seeing where both the PATS ml and colts spread BOTH covered.....books took it right up the ass today.

     

    so yea....im telling you with 100% certainty....the public killed it today.  Your grandmother would have hit a parlay if she bet today.

     

     

    So next week is dog week ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonaldRegan22:

    IM wrong?

    really?

    Im in casinos 50 hours a week....i communicate and network with ALOT of bookmakers and locals out here....unlike you, who sits behind i computer...i can actually visibily seeee where all the money is coming in....im IN HOUSE when lines get moved.

    and If you wanna talk betting trends,...i dont care what site you use....i guarantee you that every single one of those plays that i listed....aside from the Colts....have more than 65% of the "betting public" placing wagers on those teams.

    If you think any bookmakers or casinos made money today off of football.....then you have the IQ of a squid.

    and despite what your little wagerline consensus says....the COLTS were getting pounded.  Anytime you have the most heavily bet on team in the entire nfl...getting 4.5 points....chances are the books need the other side....and seeing where both the PATS ml and colts spread BOTH covered.....books took it right up the ass today.

     

    so yea....im telling you with 100% certainty....the public killed it today.  Your grandmother would have hit a parlay if she bet today.

     

     

    So next week is dog week ???

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilberto:

    Once again, NOBODY KNOWS where the money is coming from........public or square, the "so called" Sharp or mob, your Aunt Jennie, brother Billy or your tranny BillyJoe that nobody invites to Thanksgiving.

    Just do the homework, compare stats, cap the game AND NEVER take the "emotional" route. It's hard to do it, its difficult to not "picture" how the game is going to come out or what the team is emotionally going through.

    The Vikings were easy, they are a mess. Atlanta was easy because they had 3 extra days, Ravens were easy because they were playing against your gym teacher at QB, Colts were easy because it's Peyton and i'll never play against him...........but with that said, you still have to look at the stats to justify your feelings.

    Vegas makes so much damn money off of people working their brains into an emotional hurricane and trying to "out guess" what the line movement means.............it means NOTHING......its just the books want 50/50 play on every game and collect the VIG.

    I'm showing my plays each week, I'm sharing my plays that I personally put money on and by no means do I say "tail me". What I will say is if you can have blinders on to opinions, feelings, supersticions, psychic predictions etc. you can be profitable.

    Good luck with whatever you do, but to win you have to get off of this line movemen, sharp/square crap because it doesn't exist.......its only one more thing to headfuck you.

    With that said, GO EAGLES!!

     Good Call !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilberto:

    Once again, NOBODY KNOWS where the money is coming from........public or square, the "so called" Sharp or mob, your Aunt Jennie, brother Billy or your tranny BillyJoe that nobody invites to Thanksgiving.

    Just do the homework, compare stats, cap the game AND NEVER take the "emotional" route. It's hard to do it, its difficult to not "picture" how the game is going to come out or what the team is emotionally going through.

    The Vikings were easy, they are a mess. Atlanta was easy because they had 3 extra days, Ravens were easy because they were playing against your gym teacher at QB, Colts were easy because it's Peyton and i'll never play against him...........but with that said, you still have to look at the stats to justify your feelings.

    Vegas makes so much damn money off of people working their brains into an emotional hurricane and trying to "out guess" what the line movement means.............it means NOTHING......its just the books want 50/50 play on every game and collect the VIG.

    I'm showing my plays each week, I'm sharing my plays that I personally put money on and by no means do I say "tail me". What I will say is if you can have blinders on to opinions, feelings, supersticions, psychic predictions etc. you can be profitable.

    Good luck with whatever you do, but to win you have to get off of this line movemen, sharp/square crap because it doesn't exist.......its only one more thing to headfuck you.

    With that said, GO EAGLES!!

     Good Call !!!
     
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    You're a square if you outsmarted yourself and took the dogs in those games.....real cappers look at games individually
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilberto:

    So am I a sharp or a square? Seriously I don't know, not bragging but figure out if I'm a sharp or a square and give me reasoning and I'll try to be open minded, but just don't beleive.

    These are all documented plays on Covers.

    Baltimore game -9.5

    Baltimore 2H -4

    Green Bay game -3

    Green Bay 2H pk

    Atlanta Game -3.5

    Atlanta 2H 

    Indy Game +4.5 

    Wisconisn NCAA -4

    Illinois -7 

    Iowa vs. Xavier....Xavier -5.5 

    i dont throw around the label of sharp or square....

    youre missing the whole point of my thread i guess...

    youre someone who had a very successfull today....props to you sir.

    i dont believe anyone is a sharp or square....i believe there are sharp plays....and square plays.....but both plays of fully capable of winning.  Thats my point.  For example.....a square play today was the baltimore ravens....everyone and their mother was on them....but it won...so does that make you a square?  Not at all...you took a square play and won....because thats what hapens sometimes....square plays hit...and sharp plays lose....and vice versa.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilberto:

    So am I a sharp or a square? Seriously I don't know, not bragging but figure out if I'm a sharp or a square and give me reasoning and I'll try to be open minded, but just don't beleive.

    These are all documented plays on Covers.

    Baltimore game -9.5

    Baltimore 2H -4

    Green Bay game -3

    Green Bay 2H pk

    Atlanta Game -3.5

    Atlanta 2H 

    Indy Game +4.5 

    Wisconisn NCAA -4

    Illinois -7 

    Iowa vs. Xavier....Xavier -5.5 

    i dont throw around the label of sharp or square....

    youre missing the whole point of my thread i guess...

    youre someone who had a very successfull today....props to you sir.

    i dont believe anyone is a sharp or square....i believe there are sharp plays....and square plays.....but both plays of fully capable of winning.  Thats my point.  For example.....a square play today was the baltimore ravens....everyone and their mother was on them....but it won...so does that make you a square?  Not at all...you took a square play and won....because thats what hapens sometimes....square plays hit...and sharp plays lose....and vice versa.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonaldRegan22:

    When did i say being a favorite makes it a square play?

    Ive never in my life even suggested that...

    but when you have the chiefs line opening up at 7....and over 67% of public money pouring in on them....driving the line up to 7.5 ....or even 8 at some places.....then by no means is that a sharp play.

    The "sharp" play of the day....was the Rams.  Which lost.

     




    sorry man!  i talk to people who work in sportsbooks every day... those ticket writers and managers always think they know the sharp plays, but they are behind that counter for a very good reason...

    your original post says one thing to me:  i bet on all of these teams, therefore these are the sharp plays... but if all of the sharp plays lost... well, then i think maybe you are just a little bit wrong about which plays are sharp...


    KC was a sharp play!  if you do not see that, then you do not know what a sharp or square play is... KC was the play of the day for the sharps... and you aren't going to know that by looking at websites and watching percentages... you aren't going to know that by keeping a tally of which "whales" bet on which teams...

    sorry man!  but i've seen this 1000 times... people who work at the books always think they know the sharp plays, but these guys never break 50% on their picks...



    Chiefs was a sharp play... period!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonaldRegan22:

    When did i say being a favorite makes it a square play?

    Ive never in my life even suggested that...

    but when you have the chiefs line opening up at 7....and over 67% of public money pouring in on them....driving the line up to 7.5 ....or even 8 at some places.....then by no means is that a sharp play.

    The "sharp" play of the day....was the Rams.  Which lost.

     




    sorry man!  i talk to people who work in sportsbooks every day... those ticket writers and managers always think they know the sharp plays, but they are behind that counter for a very good reason...

    your original post says one thing to me:  i bet on all of these teams, therefore these are the sharp plays... but if all of the sharp plays lost... well, then i think maybe you are just a little bit wrong about which plays are sharp...


    KC was a sharp play!  if you do not see that, then you do not know what a sharp or square play is... KC was the play of the day for the sharps... and you aren't going to know that by looking at websites and watching percentages... you aren't going to know that by keeping a tally of which "whales" bet on which teams...

    sorry man!  but i've seen this 1000 times... people who work at the books always think they know the sharp plays, but these guys never break 50% on their picks...



    Chiefs was a sharp play... period!
     
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    I was reading through this thread and couldnt help but chime in with my opinion since this week is a perfect time for discussing this subject.
    I am a med/small time local book so i pretty much see everything from the opposite point of view than most recreational gamblers.

    The first point i wanted to make was that i can also tell you with 100% certainty that bookies/sportsbooks DID take an ass whooping this weekend due to the fact that there were an overwhelming amount of favorites and overs that cashed. Thats the recipe for a bad week on my end. For example, did anybody notice how many posts there have been this weekend that began with..."i went undefeated so far this weekend" or "im on fire at 8-1"?? 
    To win or lose at that high of % is very rare and almost only happens when there are a ton of favorites and/or overs because those are by far the most common plays made by recreational gamblers.

    Im going to use Gilberto's post as an example.(just as an example dude, so dont take offense as none was intendid!!!) He had a killer week and probably raked in a ton, but notice that 9 of his 10 plays were favorites. If that happened every week, there wouldnt be any more bookies or sportsbooks because those are typically the most bet by far. Which brings me to my next point........................



    SHARPS vs. SQUARES
    I dont use either term but i think that originally the term "square" referred to the common uninformed recreational bettors that ALMOST ALWAYS plays only favorites, overs, and the "to good to be true/easy money" games. By no means am i saying that if you play a fav or an over, that your a square because long term favs,dogs,overs, and unders all hit at an almost identically equal rate.

    I have a couple players that wouldnt take an underdog if their life depended on it. When they call in, all i really need to know is how much because i already know what side they are playing. And they also make the fatal mistake of playing damn near every game on the board. These players are typically losing players.


    On the other hand, a "sharp" player handles everything in a much different manner. Im seeing people on this site perceiving sharps as these faceless genius people who already know whos gonna win each game and rarely loses a bet. When in actuality, a real sharp player takes advantage of the little things like finding the best line or lowest vig availible, limiting the number of games played, and most importantly MONEY MANAGEMENT. These players rarely take a beating nor get rich in any one weekend, but profit regularly on a week to week basis in small amounts.


    I could go on forever but i wont. I hope i have shed some light on the topic and have brought an intelligent and insightful view to the table.
    PEACE OUT BITCHES and good luck out there on the battlefields!!!
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    I was reading through this thread and couldnt help but chime in with my opinion since this week is a perfect time for discussing this subject.
    I am a med/small time local book so i pretty much see everything from the opposite point of view than most recreational gamblers.

    The first point i wanted to make was that i can also tell you with 100% certainty that bookies/sportsbooks DID take an ass whooping this weekend due to the fact that there were an overwhelming amount of favorites and overs that cashed. Thats the recipe for a bad week on my end. For example, did anybody notice how many posts there have been this weekend that began with..."i went undefeated so far this weekend" or "im on fire at 8-1"?? 
    To win or lose at that high of % is very rare and almost only happens when there are a ton of favorites and/or overs because those are by far the most common plays made by recreational gamblers.

    Im going to use Gilberto's post as an example.(just as an example dude, so dont take offense as none was intendid!!!) He had a killer week and probably raked in a ton, but notice that 9 of his 10 plays were favorites. If that happened every week, there wouldnt be any more bookies or sportsbooks because those are typically the most bet by far. Which brings me to my next point........................



    SHARPS vs. SQUARES
    I dont use either term but i think that originally the term "square" referred to the common uninformed recreational bettors that ALMOST ALWAYS plays only favorites, overs, and the "to good to be true/easy money" games. By no means am i saying that if you play a fav or an over, that your a square because long term favs,dogs,overs, and unders all hit at an almost identically equal rate.

    I have a couple players that wouldnt take an underdog if their life depended on it. When they call in, all i really need to know is how much because i already know what side they are playing. And they also make the fatal mistake of playing damn near every game on the board. These players are typically losing players.


    On the other hand, a "sharp" player handles everything in a much different manner. Im seeing people on this site perceiving sharps as these faceless genius people who already know whos gonna win each game and rarely loses a bet. When in actuality, a real sharp player takes advantage of the little things like finding the best line or lowest vig availible, limiting the number of games played, and most importantly MONEY MANAGEMENT. These players rarely take a beating nor get rich in any one weekend, but profit regularly on a week to week basis in small amounts.


    I could go on forever but i wont. I hope i have shed some light on the topic and have brought an intelligent and insightful view to the table.
    PEACE OUT BITCHES and good luck out there on the battlefields!!!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonaldRegan22:

    every person you asked would probably give you a different reason as to why a play is sharp....

    but...

    The reason why i said the rams were the "sharp" play of the day....is because i live in vegas....and from what i saw.... alot of guys out here..who are very well respected for there capping skills.....were throwing big money on the rams....which is why the books never budged the line.  despite all the public money coming in on the falcons...the line held strong with no movement despite heavy hitters throwing large money on the rams.  Im not talking about some online cappers with a cute star next to there name...im talking legit sharps/wiseguys....real vegas runners.....were on the Rams.  Atleast the ones i know of.

    Just going off what i see.

    That is in line with what I have read in The Sharps Report. According to the same report the sharps have faded the Rams almost nonstop this year, even laying 9 with the Chargers vs them at home. And here they finally have a prime spot to fade them and pound them instead.

    The Sharps have a piss poor read on the Rams this year. The longterm winners may have had big money on the Rams but with ATL having ten days to prepare and the Rams coming off an emotional OT loss I think in terms of categorizing the play that Atlanta was the sharp side, as sharp as a road fave can get, and that ATL winning by 17 was far from a lucky fluke but something that sharp capping could have easily predicted. Just IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonaldRegan22:

    every person you asked would probably give you a different reason as to why a play is sharp....

    but...

    The reason why i said the rams were the "sharp" play of the day....is because i live in vegas....and from what i saw.... alot of guys out here..who are very well respected for there capping skills.....were throwing big money on the rams....which is why the books never budged the line.  despite all the public money coming in on the falcons...the line held strong with no movement despite heavy hitters throwing large money on the rams.  Im not talking about some online cappers with a cute star next to there name...im talking legit sharps/wiseguys....real vegas runners.....were on the Rams.  Atleast the ones i know of.

    Just going off what i see.

    That is in line with what I have read in The Sharps Report. According to the same report the sharps have faded the Rams almost nonstop this year, even laying 9 with the Chargers vs them at home. And here they finally have a prime spot to fade them and pound them instead.

    The Sharps have a piss poor read on the Rams this year. The longterm winners may have had big money on the Rams but with ATL having ten days to prepare and the Rams coming off an emotional OT loss I think in terms of categorizing the play that Atlanta was the sharp side, as sharp as a road fave can get, and that ATL winning by 17 was far from a lucky fluke but something that sharp capping could have easily predicted. Just IMHO.
     
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    I guess it comes down to what you define as a sharp play, a play that follows the general consensus sharp rules or one that the big hitters are on. Because the big hitters can make some huge rookie errors trying to get cute and break their own rules, no one is perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THA-GODROD:

    I was reading through this thread and couldnt help but chime in with my opinion since this week is a perfect time for discussing this subject.
    I am a med/small time local book so i pretty much see everything from the opposite point of view than most recreational gamblers.

    The first point i wanted to make was that i can also tell you with 100% certainty that bookies/sportsbooks DID take an ass whooping this weekend due to the fact that there were an overwhelming amount of favorites and overs that cashed. Thats the recipe for a bad week on my end. For example, did anybody notice how many posts there have been this weekend that began with..."i went undefeated so far this weekend" or "im on fire at 8-1"?? 
    To win or lose at that high of % is very rare and almost only happens when there are a ton of favorites and/or overs because those are by far the most common plays made by recreational gamblers.

    Im going to use Gilberto's post as an example.(just as an example dude, so dont take offense as none was intendid!!!) He had a killer week and probably raked in a ton, but notice that 9 of his 10 plays were favorites. If that happened every week, there wouldnt be any more bookies or sportsbooks because those are typically the most bet by far. Which brings me to my next point........................



    SHARPS vs. SQUARES
    I dont use either term but i think that originally the term "square" referred to the common uninformed recreational bettors that ALMOST ALWAYS plays only favorites, overs, and the "to good to be true/easy money" games. By no means am i saying that if you play a fav or an over, that your a square because long term favs,dogs,overs, and unders all hit at an almost identically equal rate.

    I have a couple players that wouldnt take an underdog if their life depended on it. When they call in, all i really need to know is how much because i already know what side they are playing. And they also make the fatal mistake of playing damn near every game on the board. These players are typically losing players.


    On the other hand, a "sharp" player handles everything in a much different manner. Im seeing people on this site perceiving sharps as these faceless genius people who already know whos gonna win each game and rarely loses a bet. When in actuality, a real sharp player takes advantage of the little things like finding the best line or lowest vig availible, limiting the number of games played, and most importantly MONEY MANAGEMENT. These players rarely take a beating nor get rich in any one weekend, but profit regularly on a week to week basis in small amounts.


    I could go on forever but i wont. I hope i have shed some light on the topic and have brought an intelligent and insightful view to the table.
    PEACE OUT BITCHES and good luck out there on the battlefields!!!
    good shit, thanks for the post
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    Quote Originally Posted by THA-GODROD:

    I was reading through this thread and couldnt help but chime in with my opinion since this week is a perfect time for discussing this subject.
    I am a med/small time local book so i pretty much see everything from the opposite point of view than most recreational gamblers.

    The first point i wanted to make was that i can also tell you with 100% certainty that bookies/sportsbooks DID take an ass whooping this weekend due to the fact that there were an overwhelming amount of favorites and overs that cashed. Thats the recipe for a bad week on my end. For example, did anybody notice how many posts there have been this weekend that began with..."i went undefeated so far this weekend" or "im on fire at 8-1"?? 
    To win or lose at that high of % is very rare and almost only happens when there are a ton of favorites and/or overs because those are by far the most common plays made by recreational gamblers.

    Im going to use Gilberto's post as an example.(just as an example dude, so dont take offense as none was intendid!!!) He had a killer week and probably raked in a ton, but notice that 9 of his 10 plays were favorites. If that happened every week, there wouldnt be any more bookies or sportsbooks because those are typically the most bet by far. Which brings me to my next point........................



    SHARPS vs. SQUARES
    I dont use either term but i think that originally the term "square" referred to the common uninformed recreational bettors that ALMOST ALWAYS plays only favorites, overs, and the "to good to be true/easy money" games. By no means am i saying that if you play a fav or an over, that your a square because long term favs,dogs,overs, and unders all hit at an almost identically equal rate.

    I have a couple players that wouldnt take an underdog if their life depended on it. When they call in, all i really need to know is how much because i already know what side they are playing. And they also make the fatal mistake of playing damn near every game on the board. These players are typically losing players.


    On the other hand, a "sharp" player handles everything in a much different manner. Im seeing people on this site perceiving sharps as these faceless genius people who already know whos gonna win each game and rarely loses a bet. When in actuality, a real sharp player takes advantage of the little things like finding the best line or lowest vig availible, limiting the number of games played, and most importantly MONEY MANAGEMENT. These players rarely take a beating nor get rich in any one weekend, but profit regularly on a week to week basis in small amounts.


    I could go on forever but i wont. I hope i have shed some light on the topic and have brought an intelligent and insightful view to the table.
    PEACE OUT BITCHES and good luck out there on the battlefields!!!
    good shit, thanks for the post
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by THA-GODROD:

    I was reading through this thread and couldnt help but chime in with my opinion since this week is a perfect time for discussing this subject.
    I am a med/small time local book so i pretty much see everything from the opposite point of view than most recreational gamblers.

    The first point i wanted to make was that i can also tell you with 100% certainty that bookies/sportsbooks DID take an ass whooping this weekend due to the fact that there were an overwhelming amount of favorites and overs that cashed. Thats the recipe for a bad week on my end. For example, did anybody notice how many posts there have been this weekend that began with..."i went undefeated so far this weekend" or "im on fire at 8-1"?? 
    To win or lose at that high of % is very rare and almost only happens when there are a ton of favorites and/or overs because those are by far the most common plays made by recreational gamblers.

    Im going to use Gilberto's post as an example.(just as an example dude, so dont take offense as none was intendid!!!) He had a killer week and probably raked in a ton, but notice that 9 of his 10 plays were favorites. If that happened every week, there wouldnt be any more bookies or sportsbooks because those are typically the most bet by far. Which brings me to my next point........................



    SHARPS vs. SQUARES
    I dont use either term but i think that originally the term "square" referred to the common uninformed recreational bettors that ALMOST ALWAYS plays only favorites, overs, and the "to good to be true/easy money" games. By no means am i saying that if you play a fav or an over, that your a square because long term favs,dogs,overs, and unders all hit at an almost identically equal rate.

    I have a couple players that wouldnt take an underdog if their life depended on it. When they call in, all i really need to know is how much because i already know what side they are playing. And they also make the fatal mistake of playing damn near every game on the board. These players are typically losing players.


    On the other hand, a "sharp" player handles everything in a much different manner. Im seeing people on this site perceiving sharps as these faceless genius people who already know whos gonna win each game and rarely loses a bet. When in actuality, a real sharp player takes advantage of the little things like finding the best line or lowest vig availible, limiting the number of games played, and most importantly MONEY MANAGEMENT. These players rarely take a beating nor get rich in any one weekend, but profit regularly on a week to week basis in small amounts.


    I could go on forever but i wont. I hope i have shed some light on the topic and have brought an intelligent and insightful view to the table.
    PEACE OUT BITCHES and good luck out there on the battlefields!!!


    A great read, very insightful and probably shed a lot of light to those who had great weekends... I not being one of them. (Thank you to Michigan, Mississippi St, Vanderbilt, Vikings, Patriots, Giants, Jags Under, Atlanta Under for making me remember that bad beats and bad picks can happen, but usually not 8 times in one weekend).

    I agree with everything you said, even I give Gilberto a hard time saying he's the best square bettor I have ever seen (it's a compliment!).  I'm not calling HIM a square, but his plays are.  The sports betting world calls 70-80% plays with limited line movement square plays, end of story. And those hit like crazy this weekend.

    I could go on and on about how I think the books have caught on in the last 2 years about what sharps are and what "wannabe" sharps are.  And personally I'm a wannabe because I have zero money management skills.  I can win $20K one week and give it right back the next week.  I have a lot of work to do to refine my skills but one think is for sure... this was not FAV week or DOG week (because Indy and Tampa did hit after all as dogs).  This was REALITY CHECK week and I got mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THA-GODROD:

    I was reading through this thread and couldnt help but chime in with my opinion since this week is a perfect time for discussing this subject.
    I am a med/small time local book so i pretty much see everything from the opposite point of view than most recreational gamblers.

    The first point i wanted to make was that i can also tell you with 100% certainty that bookies/sportsbooks DID take an ass whooping this weekend due to the fact that there were an overwhelming amount of favorites and overs that cashed. Thats the recipe for a bad week on my end. For example, did anybody notice how many posts there have been this weekend that began with..."i went undefeated so far this weekend" or "im on fire at 8-1"?? 
    To win or lose at that high of % is very rare and almost only happens when there are a ton of favorites and/or overs because those are by far the most common plays made by recreational gamblers.

    Im going to use Gilberto's post as an example.(just as an example dude, so dont take offense as none was intendid!!!) He had a killer week and probably raked in a ton, but notice that 9 of his 10 plays were favorites. If that happened every week, there wouldnt be any more bookies or sportsbooks because those are typically the most bet by far. Which brings me to my next point........................



    SHARPS vs. SQUARES
    I dont use either term but i think that originally the term "square" referred to the common uninformed recreational bettors that ALMOST ALWAYS plays only favorites, overs, and the "to good to be true/easy money" games. By no means am i saying that if you play a fav or an over, that your a square because long term favs,dogs,overs, and unders all hit at an almost identically equal rate.

    I have a couple players that wouldnt take an underdog if their life depended on it. When they call in, all i really need to know is how much because i already know what side they are playing. And they also make the fatal mistake of playing damn near every game on the board. These players are typically losing players.


    On the other hand, a "sharp" player handles everything in a much different manner. Im seeing people on this site perceiving sharps as these faceless genius people who already know whos gonna win each game and rarely loses a bet. When in actuality, a real sharp player takes advantage of the little things like finding the best line or lowest vig availible, limiting the number of games played, and most importantly MONEY MANAGEMENT. These players rarely take a beating nor get rich in any one weekend, but profit regularly on a week to week basis in small amounts.


    I could go on forever but i wont. I hope i have shed some light on the topic and have brought an intelligent and insightful view to the table.
    PEACE OUT BITCHES and good luck out there on the battlefields!!!


    A great read, very insightful and probably shed a lot of light to those who had great weekends... I not being one of them. (Thank you to Michigan, Mississippi St, Vanderbilt, Vikings, Patriots, Giants, Jags Under, Atlanta Under for making me remember that bad beats and bad picks can happen, but usually not 8 times in one weekend).

    I agree with everything you said, even I give Gilberto a hard time saying he's the best square bettor I have ever seen (it's a compliment!).  I'm not calling HIM a square, but his plays are.  The sports betting world calls 70-80% plays with limited line movement square plays, end of story. And those hit like crazy this weekend.

    I could go on and on about how I think the books have caught on in the last 2 years about what sharps are and what "wannabe" sharps are.  And personally I'm a wannabe because I have zero money management skills.  I can win $20K one week and give it right back the next week.  I have a lot of work to do to refine my skills but one think is for sure... this was not FAV week or DOG week (because Indy and Tampa did hit after all as dogs).  This was REALITY CHECK week and I got mine.

     
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    you got it all figured out eh, Regan? get rich, retire, then write a book, paid vlog/blog tips service....until then STFU becuase you sound paranoid and stupid.
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    RonaldRegan22 knows more than you guys are giving him credit for - he is 100% correct....
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