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    dumbest decision of Norv Turner's life on the onside kick

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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 9:33 AM ET #51

    I lean more that it was the wrong decision. You have 1 timeout, plus the two minute warning...you kick it deep and if everything remains equal, would the jets have gone for it on 4th and 1 on their own 30yrd line? Who knows, but I think they wouldn't and would punt it.

    hind site is 20/20, but I was surprised when they went for the onside kick.


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    I lean more that it was the wrong decision. You have 1 timeout, plus the two minute warning...you kick it deep and if everything remains equal, would the jets have gone for it on 4th and 1 on their own 30yrd line? Who knows, but I think they wouldn't and would punt it.

    hind site is 20/20, but I was surprised when they went for the onside kick.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 11:32 AM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyJackAss:

    This wasn't a "close call".

    Not kicking away when the Jets were lined up for onside kick was completely moronic. 

    If Bolts kick deep against onside coverage, there is no great return hypothesis, Bolts keep them inside their 30 and then need a 3 and out.  That's the only way to play it.

    Norv didn't even consider a 4th and short, I guarantee you.  He was only thinking: "how do I get the ball back". And the only scenario where he envisioned not getting was a recovery by NYJ and a 1st down on 1st, 2nd or 3rd. 

    Exactly and well put.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyJackAss:

    This wasn't a "close call".

    Not kicking away when the Jets were lined up for onside kick was completely moronic. 

    If Bolts kick deep against onside coverage, there is no great return hypothesis, Bolts keep them inside their 30 and then need a 3 and out.  That's the only way to play it.

    Norv didn't even consider a 4th and short, I guarantee you.  He was only thinking: "how do I get the ball back". And the only scenario where he envisioned not getting was a recovery by NYJ and a 1st down on 1st, 2nd or 3rd. 

    Exactly and well put.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 12:01 PM ET #53

    totally disagree no way is that the worst coaching decision all year. it was the right play.. CMONNN MAN

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    totally disagree no way is that the worst coaching decision all year. it was the right play.. CMONNN MAN

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 12:09 PM ET #54

    Norv will now give upper management some wonderful mamadas and all will be forgiven. The GM in San Diego prefers brown nosers like Turner.
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    Norv will now give upper management some wonderful mamadas and all will be forgiven. The GM in San Diego prefers brown nosers like Turner.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 2:20 PM ET #55

    the onside kick call was stupid and reeked of desperation...i would of told my D (who had been playing good unitl that big run...stop em
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    the onside kick call was stupid and reeked of desperation...i would of told my D (who had been playing good unitl that big run...stop em
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 2:53 PM ET #56

    I could only make a case for the onside kick if they would have scored after the 2 minute warning. Turner will be back in the playoffs next year,we'll have to wait and see how they screw that up.

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    I could only make a case for the onside kick if they would have scored after the 2 minute warning. Turner will be back in the playoffs next year,we'll have to wait and see how they screw that up.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 3:05 PM ET #57

    Here's why IMO this is Norvs fault. I go back to the start of the Ari/GB game,,,Does anyone remember how Arizona started that game? They fought and scrambled and attacked for every single yard. They jumped off the ground, pounded their chests and ran back to the huddle. They were clearly fired up for a home playoff game.  I SAW NONE OF THAT FROM S.D!!! It appeared that clearly were  not in the frame of mind to face a hungry & determined Jets squad with a point to make.  In the END that is the coaches responsibility, PERIOD !
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    Here's why IMO this is Norvs fault. I go back to the start of the Ari/GB game,,,Does anyone remember how Arizona started that game? They fought and scrambled and attacked for every single yard. They jumped off the ground, pounded their chests and ran back to the huddle. They were clearly fired up for a home playoff game.  I SAW NONE OF THAT FROM S.D!!! It appeared that clearly were  not in the frame of mind to face a hungry & determined Jets squad with a point to make.  In the END that is the coaches responsibility, PERIOD !
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 3:13 PM ET #58

    If they punt and stop them which they have pretty much all day .They have about 120 left, At least u give ur team one more chance.Onisde is baically giving up  desperation play ,Crazy call .The Jet deserve to win they Capitalized on the many mistake they made,and ran into a team who totally overlooked the Jets , .Will the Colts lay  down and not be ready?
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    If they punt and stop them which they have pretty much all day .They have about 120 left, At least u give ur team one more chance.Onisde is baically giving up  desperation play ,Crazy call .The Jet deserve to win they Capitalized on the many mistake they made,and ran into a team who totally overlooked the Jets , .Will the Colts lay  down and not be ready?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 3:19 PM ET #59

    I agree totally with hook!  They would NEVER have gone for 4th and 1 on there own 30ish.  The problem for the Bolts was on 3rd and 5-6, they gave up almost the entire yardage.  Had that been 4th and 2-3, I think they punt, or go for a FG?  With all that being said, Keating may have missed again, but at least he would have gotten a chance. Turner has needed to be fired for quite some time now.  That team has way too much talent to not have been in, or won, a Super Bowl as of yet.  The Chargers were flat all game, who knows why?  It is also quite obvious that the Jets are only going to win the lower type scoring games.  If Indy plays offensively like they can, that game will be over early....
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    I agree totally with hook!  They would NEVER have gone for 4th and 1 on there own 30ish.  The problem for the Bolts was on 3rd and 5-6, they gave up almost the entire yardage.  Had that been 4th and 2-3, I think they punt, or go for a FG?  With all that being said, Keating may have missed again, but at least he would have gotten a chance. Turner has needed to be fired for quite some time now.  That team has way too much talent to not have been in, or won, a Super Bowl as of yet.  The Chargers were flat all game, who knows why?  It is also quite obvious that the Jets are only going to win the lower type scoring games.  If Indy plays offensively like they can, that game will be over early....
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 3:20 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by wonwiththehook:

    That was the stupidest fucking call I saw a coach make all year ! It made zero sense. The only choice should have been to kick deep . If the Jets would have been on their own fucking side of the field they would have been punting.I can't beleive I even watched that decision made in a pro football playoff game...UNFUCKING REAL !

    IF it worked out and the Chargers won the game, the Turner had made the best decision ever, and now the team lost and that was the biggest mistake he made.     IF there was a bad decision yesterday in coaching, it was the conservative play calling in the game trying to nurse a lousy 7 pts lead.  it's a 7 pts lead, not 17, not 27, not 37. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonwiththehook:

    That was the stupidest fucking call I saw a coach make all year ! It made zero sense. The only choice should have been to kick deep . If the Jets would have been on their own fucking side of the field they would have been punting.I can't beleive I even watched that decision made in a pro football playoff game...UNFUCKING REAL !

    IF it worked out and the Chargers won the game, the Turner had made the best decision ever, and now the team lost and that was the biggest mistake he made.     IF there was a bad decision yesterday in coaching, it was the conservative play calling in the game trying to nurse a lousy 7 pts lead.  it's a 7 pts lead, not 17, not 27, not 37. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 3:44 PM ET #61

    It was a bad decision, we can say that looking back

    Just know that it is easy for us to second guess any decision made by a coach but when you are on the sidelines in the heat of a game
    its not as easy as it seems when your sitting watching the gamme

    In general Norv is a good coach and he is not the reason
    they lost in my view. They lost because the Jets played outstanding
    defense and they came to play. 
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    It was a bad decision, we can say that looking back

    Just know that it is easy for us to second guess any decision made by a coach but when you are on the sidelines in the heat of a game
    its not as easy as it seems when your sitting watching the gamme

    In general Norv is a good coach and he is not the reason
    they lost in my view. They lost because the Jets played outstanding
    defense and they came to play. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 3:52 PM ET #62

    wow, i can't beleive how many people don't know the odds. seriously, if you think kicking an onside kick(10-12%) rather than kicking deep and KNOW they are going to run the ball, if you can't stop them you deserve to lose. I had Jets +8 and didn't even see the 4th Q,but you need to know the odds.

    Just look up Norv Turners Career record and you will see he is not a good head coach.

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    wow, i can't beleive how many people don't know the odds. seriously, if you think kicking an onside kick(10-12%) rather than kicking deep and KNOW they are going to run the ball, if you can't stop them you deserve to lose. I had Jets +8 and didn't even see the 4th Q,but you need to know the odds.

    Just look up Norv Turners Career record and you will see he is not a good head coach.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 3:53 PM ET #63

    does anybody even know the rule where the kicking team can only have 6 players on one side for an onside kick?

    so you are going to kick it to 9 or 10 guys and you have 6.

    Brilliant!

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    does anybody even know the rule where the kicking team can only have 6 players on one side for an onside kick?

    so you are going to kick it to 9 or 10 guys and you have 6.

    Brilliant!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 3:56 PM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky008:

    IF it worked out and the Chargers won the game, the Turner had made the best decision ever, and now the team lost and that was the biggest mistake he made.     IF there was a bad decision yesterday in coaching, it was the conservative play calling in the game trying to nurse a lousy 7 pts lead.  it's a 7 pts lead, not 17, not 27, not 37. 

    IT DIDN'T WORK AND HE IS AN IDIOT.


    AS A BRONCO FAN I AM VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE CHARGERS OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS.

     

    PHILLIP RIVERS IS PUNK MOTHERFUCKER WHO DESERVES NOTHING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky008:

    IF it worked out and the Chargers won the game, the Turner had made the best decision ever, and now the team lost and that was the biggest mistake he made.     IF there was a bad decision yesterday in coaching, it was the conservative play calling in the game trying to nurse a lousy 7 pts lead.  it's a 7 pts lead, not 17, not 27, not 37. 

    IT DIDN'T WORK AND HE IS AN IDIOT.


    AS A BRONCO FAN I AM VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE CHARGERS OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS.

     

    PHILLIP RIVERS IS PUNK MOTHERFUCKER WHO DESERVES NOTHING.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 3:57 PM ET #65

    Quote Originally Posted by Gold_Rush:

    It was a bad decision, we can say that looking back

    Just know that it is easy for us to second guess any decision made by a coach but when you are on the sidelines in the heat of a game
    its not as easy as it seems when your sitting watching the gamme

    In general Norv is a good coach and he is not the reason
    they lost in my view. They lost because the Jets played outstanding
    defense and they came to play. 

    NORV IS AN IDIOT HEAD COACH, HE IS A GOOD O CORD. AS A HEAD COACH IN THIS LEAGUE, YOU NEED TO KNOW THE ODDS. CLEARLY NORV DOESN'T!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold_Rush:

    It was a bad decision, we can say that looking back

    Just know that it is easy for us to second guess any decision made by a coach but when you are on the sidelines in the heat of a game
    its not as easy as it seems when your sitting watching the gamme

    In general Norv is a good coach and he is not the reason
    they lost in my view. They lost because the Jets played outstanding
    defense and they came to play. 

    NORV IS AN IDIOT HEAD COACH, HE IS A GOOD O CORD. AS A HEAD COACH IN THIS LEAGUE, YOU NEED TO KNOW THE ODDS. CLEARLY NORV DOESN'T!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 3:59 PM ET #66

    Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:

    wow, i can't beleive how many people don't know the odds. seriously, if you think kicking an onside kick(10-12%) rather than kicking deep and KNOW they are going to run the ball, if you can't stop them you deserve to lose. I had Jets +8 and didn't even see the 4th Q,but you need to know the odds.

    Just look up Norv Turners Career record and you will see he is not a good head coach.

    Alot of people just don't seem to understand that if you kick deep, 4th down would not be an option for the Jets in that spot. I have stated several times that the STOP has to happen 1st, and the STOP would have been on 3 downs instead of 4 if they would have kicked deep.You are exactly right that the % is low in recovering an onside kick.Norv made a piss poor decision yesterday and deserves all the blame for making THAT decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:

    wow, i can't beleive how many people don't know the odds. seriously, if you think kicking an onside kick(10-12%) rather than kicking deep and KNOW they are going to run the ball, if you can't stop them you deserve to lose. I had Jets +8 and didn't even see the 4th Q,but you need to know the odds.

    Just look up Norv Turners Career record and you will see he is not a good head coach.

    Alot of people just don't seem to understand that if you kick deep, 4th down would not be an option for the Jets in that spot. I have stated several times that the STOP has to happen 1st, and the STOP would have been on 3 downs instead of 4 if they would have kicked deep.You are exactly right that the % is low in recovering an onside kick.Norv made a piss poor decision yesterday and deserves all the blame for making THAT decision.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 4:31 PM ET #67

    Marty Schottenheimer loved that on-side kick !!!!
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 4:49 PM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by wonwiththehook:

    It doesn't matter how good the onside attempt was, it cost them the game. A deep kick would have allowd them to put at least 9, probably 10 in the box, and forced the Jets to punt on 4th instead of going for it ! Turner took the pressure off Ryan and the Jets when he hit the panic button. See you around Norv, wait til next year you goof ! What kills me is that I think he is a half ass good coach and think he gets picked on unfairly, and then he does this in a playoff game. WTF !!!

     

    The kick didn't cost them the game.  Missed field goals, poor penalties, interceptions and poor tackling cost them the game.  This was a decision that should not have been made if they SD played smart football. Time to give the Jets credit.  They held them to 7pts for more then 3 quarters of the game. The offense did just enough. Kudos to the Jets.  Beat Indy!

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    It doesn't matter how good the onside attempt was, it cost them the game. A deep kick would have allowd them to put at least 9, probably 10 in the box, and forced the Jets to punt on 4th instead of going for it ! Turner took the pressure off Ryan and the Jets when he hit the panic button. See you around Norv, wait til next year you goof ! What kills me is that I think he is a half ass good coach and think he gets picked on unfairly, and then he does this in a playoff game. WTF !!!

     

    The kick didn't cost them the game.  Missed field goals, poor penalties, interceptions and poor tackling cost them the game.  This was a decision that should not have been made if they SD played smart football. Time to give the Jets credit.  They held them to 7pts for more then 3 quarters of the game. The offense did just enough. Kudos to the Jets.  Beat Indy!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 6:03 PM ET #69

    WELL ALL OF THAT DON'T MATTER, FUCKEN SAME NORV.

    OUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

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    WELL ALL OF THAT DON'T MATTER, FUCKEN SAME NORV.

    OUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 6:32 PM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:

    NORV IS AN IDIOT HEAD COACH, HE IS A GOOD O CORD. AS A HEAD COACH IN THIS LEAGUE, YOU NEED TO KNOW THE ODDS. CLEARLY NORV DOESN'T!


    OK, he screwed up not knowing the odds. i will give u that and 
    that was a big gamble and clearly it blew up in his face

    but as far as his career record in the playoffs
    he is 4 and 3 in the post season as a head coach as of now.

    Norv beat the Colts on the road and very nearly beat the Pats in New England with a banged up QB & He beat the Colts last year

    He took the Redskins to the playoffs and won a game
    lost to the eventual super bowl winning bucs in a close game

    He is not the greatest head coach but he is not the worst.

    I really want to know where the hell sproles was??
    and why did they not throw deep more, my god,. ???



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    NORV IS AN IDIOT HEAD COACH, HE IS A GOOD O CORD. AS A HEAD COACH IN THIS LEAGUE, YOU NEED TO KNOW THE ODDS. CLEARLY NORV DOESN'T!


    OK, he screwed up not knowing the odds. i will give u that and 
    that was a big gamble and clearly it blew up in his face

    but as far as his career record in the playoffs
    he is 4 and 3 in the post season as a head coach as of now.

    Norv beat the Colts on the road and very nearly beat the Pats in New England with a banged up QB & He beat the Colts last year

    He took the Redskins to the playoffs and won a game
    lost to the eventual super bowl winning bucs in a close game

    He is not the greatest head coach but he is not the worst.

    I really want to know where the hell sproles was??
    and why did they not throw deep more, my god,. ???



     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 6:33 PM ET #71

    excuse me his record is  4 and 4 as of yesterday

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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 6:39 PM ET #72

    do some of u nitwits realize that if he kicked it deep the jets would not of went for it on fourth down like they did because the clown went for an onside kick to give them god field position.  It was a terrible calll.?
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    do some of u nitwits realize that if he kicked it deep the jets would not of went for it on fourth down like they did because the clown went for an onside kick to give them god field position.  It was a terrible calll.?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 6:42 PM ET #73

    that play call didnt lose the game.........the players for bolts lost the game playing ...stupid.....
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    that play call didnt lose the game.........the players for bolts lost the game playing ...stupid.....
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2010 - 6:58 PM ET #74

    I really wish the NFL would mandate that Norv must wear a turtle-neck shirt whenever he is on tv so none of us have to look at his scrotum neck anymore.
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