• Forums
  • Best Betting Sites
  • Sportsbook Promos
  • Best Sports Betting Apps
  • NFL Betting Forum
  • NBA Betting Forum
  • MLB Betting Forum
  • NHL Betting Forum
  • NCAAF Betting Forum
  • NCAAB Betting Forum
  • Soccer Betting Forum
  • Tennis Betting Forum
  • General Discussion
  • Help Forum
  • Guidelines
  • FAQ
  • Forum Updates
    Covers Logo
    Covers App
    Faster picks. Smarter bets.
    All in the NEW Covers App
    Download on the App Store Download on the Google Play Store
    • Sports
      • NFL
        • Back
        • NFL
        • NFL Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • Prop Projections
        • NFL Picks
        • Weather
        • Injuries
      • NCAAF
        • Back
        • NCAAF
        • NCAAF Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • Prop Projections
        • NCAAF Picks
        • Weather
        • Injuries
      • NBA
        • Back
        • NBA
        • NBA Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • Prop Projections
        • NBA Picks
        • Injuries
      • NCAAB
        • Back
        • NCAAB
        • NCAAB Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • NCAAB Picks
        • Injuries
      • MLB
        • Back
        • MLB
        • MLB Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • Prop Projections
        • MLB Picks
        • Weather
        • Injuries
      • NHL
        • Back
        • NHL
        • NHL Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • Prop Projections
        • NHL Picks
        • Injuries
      • Soccer
      • UFC
      • WNBA
        • Back
        • WNBA
        • WNBA Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • WNBA Picks
        • Injuries
      • CFL
        • Back
        • CFL
        • CFL Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • CFL Picks
      • Golf
        • Back
        • Golf
        • Golf Home
        • Golf Odds
        • Masters Odds
        • PGA Championship Odds
        • US Open Odds
        • British Open Odds
        • Ryder Cup Odds
        • Golf Picks
    • Odds
      • All Odds
      • NFL
      • NCAAF
      • NBA
      • NCAAB
      • MLB
      • NHL
      • Golf
      • Soccer Odds
        • Back
        • Soccer Odds
        • MLS Odds
        • Champions League Odds
        • Premier League Odds
      • UFC
      • WNBA
      • CFL
      • Election Odds
      • Futures
        • Back
        • Futures
        • NFL
        • NBA
        • MLB
        • NHL
        • NCAAB
        • NCAAF
      • Sports Odds History
    • Picks
      • All Picks
      • NFL
      • NBA
      • NHL
      • MLB
      • NCAAF
      • NCAAB
      • Golf
      • WNBA
      • CFL
      • User Picks
      • Team User Picks
      • Consensus Picks
        • Back
        • Consensus Picks
        • All Consensus Picks
        • NFL
        • NBA
        • NHL
        • MLB
        • NCAAF
        • NCAAB
        • CFL
        • WNBA
        • Consensus FAQ
        • Public Money
    • Prop Projections
      • NFL
      • NBA
      • MLB
      • NHL
    • Betting
      • US Betting Sites
      • Canada Betting Sites
      • Sportsbook Reviews
      • States
        • Back
        • States
        • US Legal Tracker
        • Revenue Tracker
        • Arizona
        • Arkansas
        • California
        • Colorado
        • Connecticut
        • DC
        • Florida
        • Georgia
        • Illinois
        • Indiana
        • Iowa
        • Kansas
        • Kentucky
        • Louisiana
        • Maine
        • Maryland
        • Massachusetts
        • Michigan
        • Mississippi
        • Missouri
        • Nevada
        • New Hampshire
        • New Jersey
        • New York
        • North Carolina
        • Ohio
        • Oregon
        • Pennsylvania
        • Tennessee
        • Texas
        • Vermont
        • Virginia
        • West Virginia
        • Wyoming
      • Provinces
        • Back
        • Provinces
        • Alberta
        • British Columbia
        • Manitoba
        • New Brunswick
        • Newfoundland and Labrador
        • Northwest Territories
        • Nova Scotia
        • Nunavut
        • Ontario
        • Prince Edward Island
        • Quebec (English)
        • Quebec (francais)
        • Saskatchewan
        • Yukon
      • By Sport
        • Back
        • By Sport
        • Baseball
        • Basketball
        • Boxing
        • College Football
        • F1
        • Football
        • Super Bowl
        • Golf
        • Hockey
        • Horse Racing
        • March Madness
        • Soccer
        • UFC
        • World Cup
      • Betting Apps
        • Back
        • Betting Apps
        • Best Sports Betting Apps USA
        • Ontario Sports Betting Apps
      • Rest of World
        • Back
        • Rest of World
        • UK Betting Offers
          • Back
          • UK Betting Offers
          • UK Betting Sites
          • bet365 Bonus Code UK
          • 888Sport Promo Code UK
          • William Hill Sign up Offer
          • Betway Sign up Offer
          • BetVictor Bonus Code UK
      • Betting Guides
        • Back
        • Betting Guides
        • All Guides
        • Glossary
        • Betting Calculators
          • Back
          • Betting Calculators
          • Odds Converter
          • Parlay Calculator
        • Futures Betting Guide
        • Moneyline Betting Guide
        • Over/Under Betting Guide
        • Parlay Betting Guide
        • Point Spread Betting Guide
        • Prop Betting Guide
        • Sports Betting Guides
          • Back
          • Sports Betting Guides
          • How To Bet On Sports Guide
          • NFL Betting Guide
          • NHL Betting Guide
          • NBA Betting Guide
          • MLB Betting Guide
          • NCAAB Betting Guide
          • NCAAF Betting Guide
          • Golf Betting Guide
          • Tennis Betting Guide
        • Teaser Betting Guide
      • Betting News
        • Back
        • Betting News
        • All News
        • Industry News
        • Podcasts
        • Covers Videos
        • Covers Writers
        • Offers & Boosts
    • Promos
      • Sportsbook Promos
      • Canada Sportsbook Promos
      • Bonuses By Sportsbook
        • Back
        • Bonuses By Sportsbook
        • bet365 Bonus Code
        • BET99 Promo Code
        • BetMGM Bonus Code
        • BetRivers Bonus Code
        • Caesars Sportsbook Promo
        • DraftKings Promo Code
        • Fanatics Sportsbook Promo
        • FanDuel Promo Code
        • Hard Rock Bet Promo Code
        • Sports Interaction Promo
        • Stake Promo Code
        • theScore Bet Promo Code
        • TonyBet Promo Code
      • Bonuses By Region
        • Back
        • Bonuses By Region
        • Arkansas Promos
        • Arizona Promos
        • Colorado Promos
        • Connecticut Promos
        • DC Promos
        • Illinois Promos
        • Indiana Promos
        • Iowa Promos
        • Kansas Promos
        • Kentucky Promos
        • Louisiana Promos
        • Maine Promos
        • Maryland Promos
        • Massachusetts Promos
        • Michigan Promos
        • Missouri Promos
        • New Jersey Promos
        • New York Promos
        • North Carolina Promos
        • Ohio Promos
        • Pennsylvania Promos
        • Tennessee Promos
        • Vermont Promos
        • Virginia Promos
        • West Virginia Promos
        • Wyoming Promos
    • Forum & Contests
      • All Forums
      • NFL Betting Forum
      • MLB Betting Forum
      • NCAAB Betting Forum
      • NCAAF Betting Forum
      • NBA Betting Forum
      • NHL Betting Forum
      • Soccer Betting Forum
      • Contests
        • Back
        • Contests
        • Contests Home
        • Streak Survivor
        • King of Covers
        • My Contests
    • Casino
      • Sweepstakes Casino
        • Back
        • Sweepstakes Casino
        • Sweepstakes Casino
        • Sweepstakes No-Deposit Bonuses
        • Sweepstakes Promos
          • Back
          • Sweepstakes Promos
          • Card Crush
          • Casino.click
          • Chanced Casino
          • Crown Coins Casino
          • FreeSpin Casino
          • LoneStar
          • McLuck
          • Mega Bonanza Casino
          • PlayFame
          • Pulsz
          • Stake.us
      • US Casinos
        • Back
        • US Casinos
        • US Online Casinos
        • US Online Casino Bonuses
        • Casino Promos
          • Back
          • Casino Promos
          • bet365 Casino Promo Code
          • BetRivers Casino Promo
          • Borgata Casino Bonus Code
          • Caesars Casino Bonus Code
          • DraftKings Casino Promo
          • Fanatics Casino Promo
          • FanDuel Casino Promo Code
          • Golden Nugget Casino Promo
          • Hard Rock Bet Casino Promo
          • Hollywood Casino Promo Code
      • Canada Casinos
        • Back
        • Canada Casinos
        • Canada Online Casinos
        • Provinces
          • Back
          • Provinces
          • Alberta Online Casino
          • BC Online Casino
          • Ontario Online Casinos
        • Casino Promos
          • Back
          • Casino Promos
          • BC.GAME Bonus Code
          • Cloudbet Promo Code
          • RainBet Promo Code
          • Roobet Promo Code
          • Shuffle Promo Code
          • Thrill Promo Code
    • Prediction Markets
      • Prediction Markets
      • Prediction Market Apps
      • Prediction Market Promos
      • Kalshi Promo Code
      • Kalshi Referral Code
      • Polymarket Promo Code
      • Polymarket Referral Code
      • DraftKings Predictions Promo Code
      • Novig Promo Code
      • ProphetX Promo Code
      • Underdog Promo Code
      • Betr Promo Code
      • OG Promo Code
      • Fanatics Markets Promo Code
      • Plus500 Promo Code
      • Gemini Predictions Promo Code
    • NFL Week 3
      NFL Week 3
      • NFL Odds
      • NFL Picks
      • Falcons-Packers Picks
      • Survivor Picks
      • Week 3 Odds
      • NFL Prediction Markets
      • NFL Betting Sites
    Covers Account
    Log in Create account
    Join free Log in
    All Forums | NFL Betting Forum

    dumbest decision of Norv Turner's life on the onside kick

    123 Next Last»
    wonwiththehook
    depeche2
    JakeLake720
    aobnoxious
    Pulsesteven
    ...
    Participants:
    Search model icon
    Views: 3946
    Posts: 74
    123 Next Last»
     
    wonwiththehook
    wonwiththehook
    Captain
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Mar, 2007
    Posts: 6307
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:43 PM ET #1

    That was the stupidest fucking call I saw a coach make all year ! It made zero sense. The only choice should have been to kick deep . If the Jets would have been on their own fucking side of the field they would have been punting.I can't beleive I even watched that decision made in a pro football playoff game...UNFUCKING REAL !
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    That was the stupidest fucking call I saw a coach make all year ! It made zero sense. The only choice should have been to kick deep . If the Jets would have been on their own fucking side of the field they would have been punting.I can't beleive I even watched that decision made in a pro football playoff game...UNFUCKING REAL !
     
    depeche2
    depeche2
    Legend
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Feb, 2002
    Posts: 67006
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:45 PM ET #2

    I actually disagree.  Let me know if you want to hear why.
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    I actually disagree.  Let me know if you want to hear why.
     
    JakeLake720
    JakeLake720
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Mar, 2007
    Posts: 4992
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:46 PM ET #3

    it was the right call.....you and Phil Simms make no sense....just because they kick it further means the Jets would have been punting? Why is that? How do you know the Jets wouldn't have picked up a first down on three runs and ended the game anyway?
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    it was the right call.....you and Phil Simms make no sense....just because they kick it further means the Jets would have been punting? Why is that? How do you know the Jets wouldn't have picked up a first down on three runs and ended the game anyway?
     
    aobnoxious
    aobnoxious
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: May, 2006
    Posts: 2396
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:47 PM ET #4

    Cowher agreed with simms.. Just a couple of dudes who have won super bowls.
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    Cowher agreed with simms.. Just a couple of dudes who have won super bowls.
     
    Pulsesteven
    Pulsesteven
    Prospect
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Sep, 2009
    Posts: 181
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:47 PM ET #5

    they had to hold the Jets to a 3 and punt and couldn't do it. The kick proved to be a non issue.
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    they had to hold the Jets to a 3 and punt and couldn't do it. The kick proved to be a non issue.
     
    Ed-Collins
    Ed-Collins
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Jan, 2006
    Posts: 1634
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:47 PM ET #6

    Not sure how long you've been watching football, but it makes perfect sense.

    If you kick the ball deep, and the Jets get a first down, time runs out and you never get the ball back.  There is no guarantee they WILL punt the ball.

    At least this way, with an onside kick, you have a CHANCE at the ball, even it's slight chance.  Better a slight chance than no chance at all.
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    Not sure how long you've been watching football, but it makes perfect sense.

    If you kick the ball deep, and the Jets get a first down, time runs out and you never get the ball back.  There is no guarantee they WILL punt the ball.

    At least this way, with an onside kick, you have a CHANCE at the ball, even it's slight chance.  Better a slight chance than no chance at all.
     
    wonwiththehook
    wonwiththehook
    Captain
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Mar, 2007
    Posts: 6307
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:48 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    I actually disagree.  Let me know if you want to hear why.
    I do.
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    I actually disagree.  Let me know if you want to hear why.
    I do.
     
    depeche2
    depeche2
    Legend
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Feb, 2002
    Posts: 67006
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:49 PM ET #8

    The field position meant very very little there.  Either way they had to prevent any first down.  The odds that they were going to get to 4th and inches where it made sense going for it from one side of the field rather than the other was very very low.  The chance of recovering the onside kick was worth the slight downside in that field position, given that either way they had to prevent any first down.  The onside was damn near successful too.  Everyone would have hailed him as a genius if it worked and if he doesn't onsides and they pick up a first then everyone complains that he didn't take a shot.
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    The field position meant very very little there.  Either way they had to prevent any first down.  The odds that they were going to get to 4th and inches where it made sense going for it from one side of the field rather than the other was very very low.  The chance of recovering the onside kick was worth the slight downside in that field position, given that either way they had to prevent any first down.  The onside was damn near successful too.  Everyone would have hailed him as a genius if it worked and if he doesn't onsides and they pick up a first then everyone complains that he didn't take a shot.
     
    wonwiththehook
    wonwiththehook
    Captain
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Mar, 2007
    Posts: 6307
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:49 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeLake720:

    it was the right call.....you and Phil Simms make no sense....just because they kick it further means the Jets would have been punting? Why is that? How do you know the Jets wouldn't have picked up a first down on three runs and ended the game anyway?
    and if they don't they punt and you have to go the length of the field, I know the stop is a must, but you have to play field position in that spot !
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    Quote Originally Posted by JakeLake720:

    it was the right call.....you and Phil Simms make no sense....just because they kick it further means the Jets would have been punting? Why is that? How do you know the Jets wouldn't have picked up a first down on three runs and ended the game anyway?
    and if they don't they punt and you have to go the length of the field, I know the stop is a must, but you have to play field position in that spot !
     
    depeche2
    depeche2
    Legend
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Feb, 2002
    Posts: 67006
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:50 PM ET #10

    I could break down the odds more, it's complicated, but I'll leave it at that for now.  Gonna go watch some Big Love.
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    I could break down the odds more, it's complicated, but I'll leave it at that for now.  Gonna go watch some Big Love.
     
    daveyt25
    daveyt25
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Jun, 2006
    Posts: 2087
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:51 PM ET #11

    Yeah I disagree also..If you want to play Monday Morning Quarterback, they should have kicked it deep, but I would kick it onsides everytime there in that situation if I was coaching..I look at it this way..

    Kick it onsides and you have a shot at posession and the chance to tie or take the lead.  If you do not recover the kick, the other team is not going to try a FG in that situation so your job as a defense is to force them to punt from where they get the ball..They might pin you inside the 20 but your only looking at a 10 or 15 yard difference if you decide to kick it deep and force the other team to punt..You give your team more chances to win IMO

    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User

    Yeah I disagree also..If you want to play Monday Morning Quarterback, they should have kicked it deep, but I would kick it onsides everytime there in that situation if I was coaching..I look at it this way..

    Kick it onsides and you have a shot at posession and the chance to tie or take the lead.  If you do not recover the kick, the other team is not going to try a FG in that situation so your job as a defense is to force them to punt from where they get the ball..They might pin you inside the 20 but your only looking at a 10 or 15 yard difference if you decide to kick it deep and force the other team to punt..You give your team more chances to win IMO

     
    ValueforRent
    ValueforRent
    All-Star
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Jul, 2008
    Posts: 10589
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:52 PM ET #12

    It was a 50/50 ball there.  The Chargers had a great chance to come up with it.
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    It was a 50/50 ball there.  The Chargers had a great chance to come up with it.
     
    banans
    banans
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Sep, 2007
    Posts: 4705
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:52 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by wonwiththehook:

    and if they don't they punt and you have to go the length of the field, I know the stop is a must, but you have to play field position in that spot !

    absolutely not. you needed to stop a first down from happening. it didn't matter what part of the field. at least with the on side kick, they had a CHANCE of getting the ball. If the would have kicked it deep, and the Jets made a first down, game over.

    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User

    Quote Originally Posted by wonwiththehook:

    and if they don't they punt and you have to go the length of the field, I know the stop is a must, but you have to play field position in that spot !

    absolutely not. you needed to stop a first down from happening. it didn't matter what part of the field. at least with the on side kick, they had a CHANCE of getting the ball. If the would have kicked it deep, and the Jets made a first down, game over.

     
    Reach
    Reach
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Feb, 2009
    Posts: 1452
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:53 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    The field position meant very very little there.  Either way they had to prevent any first down.  The odds that they were going to get to 4th and inches where it made sense going for it from one side of the field rather than the other was very very low.  The chance of recovering the onside kick was worth the slight downside in that field position, given that either way they had to prevent any first down.  The onside was damn near successful too.  Everyone would have hailed him as a genius if it worked and if he doesn't onsides and they pick up a first then everyone complains that he didn't take a shot.

     Agreed.  The onside kick had the ball bounce of the Jets chest.  Chargers had a nice shot of recovery.

    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    The field position meant very very little there.  Either way they had to prevent any first down.  The odds that they were going to get to 4th and inches where it made sense going for it from one side of the field rather than the other was very very low.  The chance of recovering the onside kick was worth the slight downside in that field position, given that either way they had to prevent any first down.  The onside was damn near successful too.  Everyone would have hailed him as a genius if it worked and if he doesn't onsides and they pick up a first then everyone complains that he didn't take a shot.

     Agreed.  The onside kick had the ball bounce of the Jets chest.  Chargers had a nice shot of recovery.

     
    scalabrine
    scalabrine
    Banned
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Sep, 2006
    Posts: 28221
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:53 PM ET #15

    you gotta admit that was one of the best attempts you could have made on an onside kick...the hang-time on that ball was like a JR Smith 3 pointer
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    you gotta admit that was one of the best attempts you could have made on an onside kick...the hang-time on that ball was like a JR Smith 3 pointer
     
    NIGHTGUY
    NIGHTGUY
    Banned
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Sep, 2009
    Posts: 822
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:55 PM ET #16

    NORV HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LIABILITY
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    NORV HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LIABILITY
     
    wonwiththehook
    wonwiththehook
    Captain
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Mar, 2007
    Posts: 6307
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:55 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    The field position meant very very little there.  Either way they had to prevent any first down.  The odds that they were going to get to 4th and inches where it made sense going for it from one side of the field rather than the other was very very low.  The chance of recovering the onside kick was worth the slight downside in that field position, given that either way they had to prevent any first down.  The onside was damn near successful too.  Everyone would have hailed him as a genius if it worked and if he doesn't onsides and they pick up a first then everyone complains that he didn't take a shot.
    The percentage is not good for recovering an onside kick.There is no way Ryan goes for it on 4th down if he's on his own 29...NO WAY.
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    The field position meant very very little there.  Either way they had to prevent any first down.  The odds that they were going to get to 4th and inches where it made sense going for it from one side of the field rather than the other was very very low.  The chance of recovering the onside kick was worth the slight downside in that field position, given that either way they had to prevent any first down.  The onside was damn near successful too.  Everyone would have hailed him as a genius if it worked and if he doesn't onsides and they pick up a first then everyone complains that he didn't take a shot.
    The percentage is not good for recovering an onside kick.There is no way Ryan goes for it on 4th down if he's on his own 29...NO WAY.
     
    chillinmcm
    chillinmcm
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Nov, 2008
    Posts: 4316
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:57 PM ET #18

    Norv needs to get fired worse than Wade does..I'm thinking they both get their pink slips within the week
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    Norv needs to get fired worse than Wade does..I'm thinking they both get their pink slips within the week
     
    depeche2
    depeche2
    Legend
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Feb, 2002
    Posts: 67006
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:58 PM ET #19

    That may be true but what were the odds of getting into a 4th and inches situation where the field position mattered in that way?  Very very low.  Hindsight is great.  In that same exact situation I would onside kick again, without a doubt.  Later. 
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    That may be true but what were the odds of getting into a 4th and inches situation where the field position mattered in that way?  Very very low.  Hindsight is great.  In that same exact situation I would onside kick again, without a doubt.  Later. 
     
    daveyt25
    daveyt25
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Jun, 2006
    Posts: 2087
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:58 PM ET #20

    I understand though what wonwiththehook is trying reason..If the exact same situation happened at the Jets own 30, and it was 4th and 1, the Jets would be punting and SD would have a minute left to go down and either tie or win the game...But it is impossible to know what would have happened had they kicked the ball deep, and you can't say SD would have stopped them..Shit for all anyone knows, NY could have ran the kickoff back past midfield and this topic would be non existent

    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User

    I understand though what wonwiththehook is trying reason..If the exact same situation happened at the Jets own 30, and it was 4th and 1, the Jets would be punting and SD would have a minute left to go down and either tie or win the game...But it is impossible to know what would have happened had they kicked the ball deep, and you can't say SD would have stopped them..Shit for all anyone knows, NY could have ran the kickoff back past midfield and this topic would be non existent

     
    85Bears
    85Bears
    Prospect
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Sep, 2004
    Posts: 335
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 8:59 PM ET #21

    first off all , here is my 2 pesos worth, I just honestly think Norv just lost faith in his defence to get the ball back, plain and simple;

    SO he took a chance to get the ball back and shorten the field.

    He lost!....Norv has not done to good with Marty,s team. one more thing, they knew what the Jets had and what they will do, and were out coach, and I also think they got caught looking ahead.

    Now they are looking ahead for next year....Norve needs to go back to a O C. 

    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User

    first off all , here is my 2 pesos worth, I just honestly think Norv just lost faith in his defence to get the ball back, plain and simple;

    SO he took a chance to get the ball back and shorten the field.

    He lost!....Norv has not done to good with Marty,s team. one more thing, they knew what the Jets had and what they will do, and were out coach, and I also think they got caught looking ahead.

    Now they are looking ahead for next year....Norve needs to go back to a O C. 

     
    daveyt25
    daveyt25
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Jun, 2006
    Posts: 2087
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 9:04 PM ET #22

    SD lost this game in the first half when they dominated play..They had chance after chance to score early and often but penalties cost them dearly..I am a big fan of putting teams away as early as possible.  You let an inferior team like the Jets hang around and their tenacity and mindset will end up going against you..

    Just like the Dallas game this afternoon..Opening drive Dallas is moving right down the field..they get to a 4th and 1 on the edge of FG distance and they decide to kick it..I feel they should have went for it and tried to score a TD on the opening possession instead of settling for 3..That game could have ended up much different because Dallas was on early and could not sustain it once Minny gained control...

    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User

    SD lost this game in the first half when they dominated play..They had chance after chance to score early and often but penalties cost them dearly..I am a big fan of putting teams away as early as possible.  You let an inferior team like the Jets hang around and their tenacity and mindset will end up going against you..

    Just like the Dallas game this afternoon..Opening drive Dallas is moving right down the field..they get to a 4th and 1 on the edge of FG distance and they decide to kick it..I feel they should have went for it and tried to score a TD on the opening possession instead of settling for 3..That game could have ended up much different because Dallas was on early and could not sustain it once Minny gained control...

     
    banans
    banans
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Sep, 2007
    Posts: 4705
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 9:04 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by wonwiththehook:

    The percentage is not good for recovering an onside kick.There is no way Ryan goes for it on 4th down if he's on his own 29...NO WAY.

    true. i get what you are saying. however, the only way he goes for it on the charges 30 is if it's 4th and very short, which is what ended up happening. It worked out bad, but I think the decision was right at the time.

    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User

    Quote Originally Posted by wonwiththehook:

    The percentage is not good for recovering an onside kick.There is no way Ryan goes for it on 4th down if he's on his own 29...NO WAY.

    true. i get what you are saying. however, the only way he goes for it on the charges 30 is if it's 4th and very short, which is what ended up happening. It worked out bad, but I think the decision was right at the time.

     
    ICAPSports
    ICAPSports
    Legend
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Mar, 2004
    Posts: 36392
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 9:08 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by daveyt25:

    SD lost this game in the first half when they dominated play..They had chance after chance to score early and often but penalties cost them dearly..I am a big fan of putting teams away as early as possible.  You let an inferior team like the Jets hang around and their tenacity and mindset will end up going against you..

    Just like the Dallas game this afternoon..Opening drive Dallas is moving right down the field..they get to a 4th and 1 on the edge of FG distance and they decide to kick it..I feel they should have went for it and tried to score a TD on the opening possession instead of settling for 3..That game could have ended up much different because Dallas was on early and could not sustain it once Minny gained control...



    dead on.....was saying much the same to friends of mine while watching this game.......add Norv's awful playcalling and Rivers inexplicable decision to through into triple coverage from his own goal line, while SD had the lead..and that is pretty much your ball game
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    Quote Originally Posted by daveyt25:

    SD lost this game in the first half when they dominated play..They had chance after chance to score early and often but penalties cost them dearly..I am a big fan of putting teams away as early as possible.  You let an inferior team like the Jets hang around and their tenacity and mindset will end up going against you..

    Just like the Dallas game this afternoon..Opening drive Dallas is moving right down the field..they get to a 4th and 1 on the edge of FG distance and they decide to kick it..I feel they should have went for it and tried to score a TD on the opening possession instead of settling for 3..That game could have ended up much different because Dallas was on early and could not sustain it once Minny gained control...



    dead on.....was saying much the same to friends of mine while watching this game.......add Norv's awful playcalling and Rivers inexplicable decision to through into triple coverage from his own goal line, while SD had the lead..and that is pretty much your ball game
     
     
    wonwiththehook
    wonwiththehook
    Captain
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Mar, 2007
    Posts: 6307
    Posted: Jan. 17, 2010 - 9:09 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    That may be true but what were the odds of getting into a 4th and inches situation where the field position mattered in that way?  Very very low.  Hindsight is great.  In that same exact situation I would onside kick again, without a doubt.  Later. 
    Hey man, it's not like the Jets have a Saints like offense, there was a very good chance that you could have the Jets looking at 4th and short, and there was no way Ryan would have let Sanchez throw the ball on his own side of the field, so the Chargers could have had 11 men in the box. Bad choice Norv !
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    That may be true but what were the odds of getting into a 4th and inches situation where the field position mattered in that way?  Very very low.  Hindsight is great.  In that same exact situation I would onside kick again, without a doubt.  Later. 
    Hey man, it's not like the Jets have a Saints like offense, there was a very good chance that you could have the Jets looking at 4th and short, and there was no way Ryan would have let Sanchez throw the ball on his own side of the field, so the Chargers could have had 11 men in the box. Bad choice Norv !
    All Forums | NFL Betting Forum
    123 Next Last»

    Hot Forums IconHot Forum Topics

    • 🤢🥴💩_ Fubah's risky baseball bets _🥶😲🥵 449,814 Covers arrow
    • Tuesday 09/22/2026 474 Covers arrow
    • 🏈🏈🏈 Fubah2's risky CFB bets 259,756 Covers arrow
    • Couple thoughts 4,062 Covers arrow
    • I'm embarrassed for Trump supporters 58,360 Covers arrow
    • NFL LOCKED IN! 99,613 Covers arrow
    • Tuesday 2,758 Covers arrow
    • Trump's legacy? 25,551 Covers arrow
    • Something to think about Tuesday 2,297 Covers arrow
    • ?? KBO Plays 🥎 15,070 Covers arrow

    Warning - External Link

    Report User

    Thank you for reporting
    This content is abusive or harmful
    This post is spam
    An error has occurred
    This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.

    Delete Post

    Are you sure you would like to remove this post?

    Remove Thread

    Are you sure you would like to remove this thread?

    Scan Results

    Login/Register

    Happy to have you join the conversation. To do so, please login or create an account.
    Accounts are free and easy to create.

    Search


    Loading…

    Loading…

    About Us
    Contact Us
    Careers
    Our Team
    Brand
    Testimonials
    Betting Guides
    Sportsbook Reviews
    Betting News
    Podcasts
    Responsible Gambling
    Betting Sites
    US Betting Sites
    Canada Betting Sites
    Canada Casinos
    Best Betting Apps
    Contests
    Streak Survivor
    King of Covers
    Ultimate Race
    Office Pools
    The Covers community has
    810,221
    lifetime members worldwide
    Join our community today
    Covers 30 Years Logo Established in 1995,
    Covers is the world
    leader in sports
    betting information.
    21+
    Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER
    Help Privacy Terms of Service Cookies Sitemap Forum
    YouTube logo
    Facebook logo
    Twitter logo
    Instagram logo
    LinkedIn logo
    Google News logo
    Covers is verified safe by:
    Evalon Logo Logo GPWA Logo GDPR logo Logo GeoTrust logo Logo PCI DSS logo Logo
    Copyright © 1995 - 2026 Genius Sports. All Rights Reserved.
    If you choose to make use of any information on this website including online sports betting services from any websites that may be featured on this website, we strongly recommend that you carefully check your local laws before doing so.It is your sole responsibility to understand your local laws and observe them strictly.Covers does not provide any advice or guidance as to the legality of online sports betting or other online gambling activities within your jurisdiction and you are responsible for complying with laws that are applicable to you in your relevant locality.Covers disclaims all liability associated with your use of this website and use of any information contained on it.As a condition of using this website, you agree to hold the owner of this website harmless from any claims arising from your use of any services on any third party website that may be featured by Covers.