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    Quote Originally Posted by phixer:

    i'm not going to name the people personally i want to thank for their input here as there are only two or three exceptions - all the rest - some in many words, the others just in a few - i thank you all.
    people who sign up with the covers because of the content here, those of the old timers who are always here to appreciate and support what we do, the old timers who have single digit posts in years and come alive here, the regular covers user who feel the need to express themselves in support of what we do and those who are simply positively expressing themselves, the great cappers who are here on regular bases and express their support - all those i want to thank for the time and effort.
    to others i want to remind that 7-1-1 record is not really a record that needs anyone's support and approval as the record speaks for itself and more than that what i expect from anyone - transparency and consistency in posting and recapping - all this is here in abundance, so the only thing left is me, me and my demons.
    not submitting to cheap shots taken and the elephant skin using i developed over years of posting my picks. i am the only problem of myself and no one else has any influence on me and my conduct here.
    once i will conquer that anger in me for those who oppose positive conduct with my brothers and sisters here, those who try to make themselves names by challenging me in a funny way, those who are small time bookies taking beating because of me and the all the idiots who simply enjoy the attention no matter if this is an attention for the idiots - once i will learn to ignore those, then and only then i will regard myself in a way i want to.


    Amen & well said GL this weekend Phixer
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    Quote Originally Posted by phixer:

    i'm not going to name the people personally i want to thank for their input here as there are only two or three exceptions - all the rest - some in many words, the others just in a few - i thank you all.
    people who sign up with the covers because of the content here, those of the old timers who are always here to appreciate and support what we do, the old timers who have single digit posts in years and come alive here, the regular covers user who feel the need to express themselves in support of what we do and those who are simply positively expressing themselves, the great cappers who are here on regular bases and express their support - all those i want to thank for the time and effort.
    to others i want to remind that 7-1-1 record is not really a record that needs anyone's support and approval as the record speaks for itself and more than that what i expect from anyone - transparency and consistency in posting and recapping - all this is here in abundance, so the only thing left is me, me and my demons.
    not submitting to cheap shots taken and the elephant skin using i developed over years of posting my picks. i am the only problem of myself and no one else has any influence on me and my conduct here.
    once i will conquer that anger in me for those who oppose positive conduct with my brothers and sisters here, those who try to make themselves names by challenging me in a funny way, those who are small time bookies taking beating because of me and the all the idiots who simply enjoy the attention no matter if this is an attention for the idiots - once i will learn to ignore those, then and only then i will regard myself in a way i want to.


    Amen & well said GL this weekend Phixer
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 12:05 PM ET #177

    NFL Week 2: CIN Bengals vs SD Chargers

    This is a 10 Units Play

    CIN Bengals -3  -120  1200$

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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 12:06 PM ET #178

    NFL Week 2: CAR Panthers vs HOU Texans

    This is a 5 Units Play

    CAR Panthers -3  -110   550$

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    NFL Week 2: BUF Bills vs NE Patriots

    I know betting against Brady borders with insanity. I know that he can change the game like P.Manning did just last Thursday. I know the risks involved. On the other hand - the Bills have a chance to win only if there will be a low scoring game. How do the dots connect? The line opened for the totals at 46. Now it is at 44 despite most bets being on Over. So, despite what we witnessed on Thursday getting screwed in last 36 seconds on Under - I believe this time the teams will follow the "protocol" and stay under that mark of 44 which is a testimony to the Bills being a "chosen" team to cover. In recent games - the Bills won in unison with Unders and the Pats took the games with Overs. Little reaching out and convincing myself and you to risk for the Bills while even most of the Bills fans are on the Pats? May be.

    If there is one thing I learned over the years of handicapping is that the best picks are hardest to pull the trigger on. So, really up to you to tail or not. I am willing to risk 550$ to check the hands of the other side.

    This is a 5 Units Play

    BUF Bills ML  -110  550$

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    NFL Week 2: BUF Bills vs NE Patriots

    I know betting against Brady borders with insanity. I know that he can change the game like P.Manning did just last Thursday. I know the risks involved. On the other hand - the Bills have a chance to win only if there will be a low scoring game. How do the dots connect? The line opened for the totals at 46. Now it is at 44 despite most bets being on Over. So, despite what we witnessed on Thursday getting screwed in last 36 seconds on Under - I believe this time the teams will follow the "protocol" and stay under that mark of 44 which is a testimony to the Bills being a "chosen" team to cover. In recent games - the Bills won in unison with Unders and the Pats took the games with Overs. Little reaching out and convincing myself and you to risk for the Bills while even most of the Bills fans are on the Pats? May be.

    If there is one thing I learned over the years of handicapping is that the best picks are hardest to pull the trigger on. So, really up to you to tail or not. I am willing to risk 550$ to check the hands of the other side.

    This is a 5 Units Play

    BUF Bills ML  -110  550$

     
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    NFL Week 2: BUF Bills vs NE Patriots  Totals

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    Under 44  -110  550$

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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 12:34 PM ET #181

    Nice, also don't like betting against Brady & Co, but this game is the Bills Super Bowl. I expect them to be "up" for the game since if they lose, I don't see them winning at the Patsies. BOLTA
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    Nice, also don't like betting against Brady & Co, but this game is the Bills Super Bowl. I expect them to be "up" for the game since if they lose, I don't see them winning at the Patsies. BOLTA
     
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    sports betting part 1

    This week 2 emerges as one of the most interesting in deciphering the Vegas code.

    I'd like to put into the right perspective the Vegas role in all the sportsbetting business first.

    So, how the whole business works and what we mean when we say Vegas this and Vegas that? Well, in oder to understand how the system works - we have to know the flow and the role of each player we have to deal with and decipher.

    1. The lines and the odds for whatever we bet originate in Las Vegas usually. There used to be one authority called Las Vegas Sporting Commission that all the best experts and the oddsmakers used to sit there and each in its area of expertise used to issue opening lines for each bettable sporting event around the globe. The books used to hire the services of LVSC and after receiving the opening lines and odds - they used to doctor those according to how they read the market and the bettors perceptions while the main goal of both - LVSC and the books (online most, but also Vegas casinos and the hotels as well as other gambling institutions round the globe - was to create the lines as close as possible to the middle (so there will be similar amount of money on both side of the spread, totals and the money line). Now, since creating the middle line for the spreads and the totals was possible by setting the number as close as possible to expected outcome  - with the money line they had to calculate the potential backing on each team and set the odds the way that the money wise - there will be an equilibrium on both sides. That was an idea. And that idea was to serve the books to live on juice or the wig or the commission - any way you call it. That meant that no matter what side won - the books would always earn the juice in the middle. Well, that didn't always happen as sometimes and even most of the times there were unbalanced sides and then the books had to change the lines and the odds to attract people to take the less betted side so the books could be balanced. That was the case and is still the case although LVSC is no more the major force in the business as today the people who call them themselves the "traders" are the experts who actually decide on lines and the odds and offer their services to anyone interested. Most of the books and hotels and casinos employ their own traders who are in close contact with the other traders of the other books and hotels and casinos and are actually synced between each other using the trading and betting platforms created to monitor a major source for the lines and odds adjusted according to the amount of money flowing in globally and thus issuing almost the similar lines and odds in all books, hotels and casinos. So, Las Vegas as the city in the state of Nevada has nothing to do with our meaning of Vegas as it is conditional nick for the side that manipulated the lines and the odds through various tools and methods. If it was up to books and casinos - they would like to have all the games absolutely balanced money wise guaranteeing them profits steadily through the juice. But that is not the case. And actually never was. Because people have their own perceptions about the lines and the odds.

    I have to insert a sentence here that makes clear what we are dealing with when handicapping games: we all have to understand that the sportsbettors are merely a fraction of people who watch and enjoy the sporting events. Therefore - the first and utmost importance is given to the entertainment value of those events. Sportsbetting is only another tool to attract people to the events and watch them although they have no interest in one or another side winning. Merchandising and advertising are closely knitted with networking enterprises creating a giant circus for all to see and enjoy. So, the usual perception of an average gambler that the game ended up in a certain way opposed to his or her logic and the predictions  - may be a disaster to him or her but has utmost entertainment value for the business and the viewers who mostly have nothing to do with the lines and the odds. So, even if there are some events manipulated into certain outcomes - it is not automatically a "Vegas Fault". Actually number of interests have to inter cross in order to create a manipulation that will also go through. The leagues in professional sports are trying to avoid inequality between the teams - the draft system is the testimony for that when the weakest teams are given an opportunity to pick the strongest players for the next season. No league is interested in having the Bulls consecutive three pits. Or Real Madrid's consecutive European Titles, or Michael Tyson beating everyone in his way in just one round, or Maradona dominating the football the way he did, or Brady, Mannings and all the other great quarterbacks winning the titles year after year etc etc. That is not a good business. But if there will be no interference by the leagues through manipulations of all kinds - what we will see is that the NE Patriots and the Green Bay Packers  will be winning the title every other year. Or LBJ and the POP winning the titles alternating years. I can give you many examples but first digest all this and in Part 2 we will also touch the subject of how the bias is created and who has hands in it. Actually all of us are guilty of the bias in sports.

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    sports betting part 1

    This week 2 emerges as one of the most interesting in deciphering the Vegas code.

    I'd like to put into the right perspective the Vegas role in all the sportsbetting business first.

    So, how the whole business works and what we mean when we say Vegas this and Vegas that? Well, in oder to understand how the system works - we have to know the flow and the role of each player we have to deal with and decipher.

    1. The lines and the odds for whatever we bet originate in Las Vegas usually. There used to be one authority called Las Vegas Sporting Commission that all the best experts and the oddsmakers used to sit there and each in its area of expertise used to issue opening lines for each bettable sporting event around the globe. The books used to hire the services of LVSC and after receiving the opening lines and odds - they used to doctor those according to how they read the market and the bettors perceptions while the main goal of both - LVSC and the books (online most, but also Vegas casinos and the hotels as well as other gambling institutions round the globe - was to create the lines as close as possible to the middle (so there will be similar amount of money on both side of the spread, totals and the money line). Now, since creating the middle line for the spreads and the totals was possible by setting the number as close as possible to expected outcome  - with the money line they had to calculate the potential backing on each team and set the odds the way that the money wise - there will be an equilibrium on both sides. That was an idea. And that idea was to serve the books to live on juice or the wig or the commission - any way you call it. That meant that no matter what side won - the books would always earn the juice in the middle. Well, that didn't always happen as sometimes and even most of the times there were unbalanced sides and then the books had to change the lines and the odds to attract people to take the less betted side so the books could be balanced. That was the case and is still the case although LVSC is no more the major force in the business as today the people who call them themselves the "traders" are the experts who actually decide on lines and the odds and offer their services to anyone interested. Most of the books and hotels and casinos employ their own traders who are in close contact with the other traders of the other books and hotels and casinos and are actually synced between each other using the trading and betting platforms created to monitor a major source for the lines and odds adjusted according to the amount of money flowing in globally and thus issuing almost the similar lines and odds in all books, hotels and casinos. So, Las Vegas as the city in the state of Nevada has nothing to do with our meaning of Vegas as it is conditional nick for the side that manipulated the lines and the odds through various tools and methods. If it was up to books and casinos - they would like to have all the games absolutely balanced money wise guaranteeing them profits steadily through the juice. But that is not the case. And actually never was. Because people have their own perceptions about the lines and the odds.

    I have to insert a sentence here that makes clear what we are dealing with when handicapping games: we all have to understand that the sportsbettors are merely a fraction of people who watch and enjoy the sporting events. Therefore - the first and utmost importance is given to the entertainment value of those events. Sportsbetting is only another tool to attract people to the events and watch them although they have no interest in one or another side winning. Merchandising and advertising are closely knitted with networking enterprises creating a giant circus for all to see and enjoy. So, the usual perception of an average gambler that the game ended up in a certain way opposed to his or her logic and the predictions  - may be a disaster to him or her but has utmost entertainment value for the business and the viewers who mostly have nothing to do with the lines and the odds. So, even if there are some events manipulated into certain outcomes - it is not automatically a "Vegas Fault". Actually number of interests have to inter cross in order to create a manipulation that will also go through. The leagues in professional sports are trying to avoid inequality between the teams - the draft system is the testimony for that when the weakest teams are given an opportunity to pick the strongest players for the next season. No league is interested in having the Bulls consecutive three pits. Or Real Madrid's consecutive European Titles, or Michael Tyson beating everyone in his way in just one round, or Maradona dominating the football the way he did, or Brady, Mannings and all the other great quarterbacks winning the titles year after year etc etc. That is not a good business. But if there will be no interference by the leagues through manipulations of all kinds - what we will see is that the NE Patriots and the Green Bay Packers  will be winning the title every other year. Or LBJ and the POP winning the titles alternating years. I can give you many examples but first digest all this and in Part 2 we will also touch the subject of how the bias is created and who has hands in it. Actually all of us are guilty of the bias in sports.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 12:41 PM ET #183

    in other words, summing up part 1 - without "vegas" we would not have the fun we have and the guys who are making sure we have fun aren't the bad guys. there are "bad guys" too in the story but they definitely aren't the ones we usually think of when we bet.
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    in other words, summing up part 1 - without "vegas" we would not have the fun we have and the guys who are making sure we have fun aren't the bad guys. there are "bad guys" too in the story but they definitely aren't the ones we usually think of when we bet.
     
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    i like the system and it is fun and i think the guys who we usually have a battle of minds against are guys just like us who want to keep the integrity in sports but also not to lose its entertainment values. so, yes, it is all phixed, but that is all the fun in it
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    i like the system and it is fun and i think the guys who we usually have a battle of minds against are guys just like us who want to keep the integrity in sports but also not to lose its entertainment values. so, yes, it is all phixed, but that is all the fun in it
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 12:46 PM ET #185

    now i go and let you digest all this. 

    and yes, i am full $hit. i know it. you know it. my wife knows it and even my dogs know it. so do not take seriously what i write here as it is just a crazy person's crazy thoughts craving for attention
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    now i go and let you digest all this. 

    and yes, i am full $hit. i know it. you know it. my wife knows it and even my dogs know it. so do not take seriously what i write here as it is just a crazy person's crazy thoughts craving for attention
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 1:14 PM ET #187

    lets get this again phixer!!!
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 1:30 PM ET #188

    I love this "yes, i am full $hit. i know it. you know it. my wife knows it and even my dogs know it" haha... Good work and thanks for posting.

    Phixer,
    I was wondering your take on Raiders this week?  I hate to play them bc usually end up broke but like you say "the best plays are the hardest to pull the trigger on"  The situation really plays into the raiders and looks like the betting public is riding balt hard.. If the line reaches 7 I'm going to play it smaller just to taste.. balt with 2 tough road games to start the season ... a lot of trvel and no suggs... total coming down a point to 42.5 plays more into the hand of oak who I think can stick around in a n ugly game.. What are your thoughts???
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    I love this "yes, i am full $hit. i know it. you know it. my wife knows it and even my dogs know it" haha... Good work and thanks for posting.

    Phixer,
    I was wondering your take on Raiders this week?  I hate to play them bc usually end up broke but like you say "the best plays are the hardest to pull the trigger on"  The situation really plays into the raiders and looks like the betting public is riding balt hard.. If the line reaches 7 I'm going to play it smaller just to taste.. balt with 2 tough road games to start the season ... a lot of trvel and no suggs... total coming down a point to 42.5 plays more into the hand of oak who I think can stick around in a n ugly game.. What are your thoughts???
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 5:30 PM ET #189

    Thank you for the write up and picks phixer.

    Much appreciated.


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    Thank you for the write up and picks phixer.

    Much appreciated.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 5:45 PM ET #190

    Quote Originally Posted by phixer:

    NFL Week 2: CIN Bengals vs SD Chargers

    This is a 10 Units Play

    CIN Bengals -3  -120  1200$


    Glad to see we on the same side.  SD might have something going this year...really solid players on both sides, but Cincys been too good at home, and should win the battle in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phixer:

    NFL Week 2: CIN Bengals vs SD Chargers

    This is a 10 Units Play

    CIN Bengals -3  -120  1200$


    Glad to see we on the same side.  SD might have something going this year...really solid players on both sides, but Cincys been too good at home, and should win the battle in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 6:09 PM ET #191

    I love it Phix. You are insane a mad man but I love it  and so true 


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    I love it Phix. You are insane a mad man but I love it  and so true 


     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 6:19 PM ET #192

    Diary of a mad handicapper love it
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    Diary of a mad handicapper love it
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 6:43 PM ET #193

    Phixer,

    There is a theory afoot, regarding subtractive knowledge in the human brain.  Releasing your gambling homilies upon your degenerative flock, allows the cranial space for important handicapping thought.

    Thx, so much

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    Phixer,

    There is a theory afoot, regarding subtractive knowledge in the human brain.  Releasing your gambling homilies upon your degenerative flock, allows the cranial space for important handicapping thought.

    Thx, so much

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 6:58 PM ET #194

    i see i am not alone in my madness


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    i see i am not alone in my madness


     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 7:03 PM ET #195

    Not even close brother

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    Not even close brother

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 8:15 PM ET #196

    NFL Week 2: NO Saints vs TB Bucs  Totals

    This is a 5 Units Play

    Under 47.5  -110  550$

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    This is a 5 Units Play

    Under 47.5  -110  550$

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 8:55 PM ET #197

    Looking forward to another good day tomorrow.  Thanks for giving me my phix.  

    BOL 
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    Looking forward to another good day tomorrow.  Thanks for giving me my phix.  

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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2015 - 10:12 PM ET #198

    phixer

    With you on the Pats under but give the Pats 10 days to prep for Taylor / Rex Ryan not sure I see Rex / Bills pulling this one out unless Def / special teams gives them one score and even maybe two scores.

    I know brady seems to always struggle against Rex coached teams and that is why I see the under but winning with maybe no McCoy and a still very young Taylor (per actual game play) will be tough.

    The (Arizona total going over game) came thru with a last minute 50 yard RB dump pass and I see the same type of last minute play to pull this one out for Buffalo.

    Good luck and thanks for the pics. 

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    phixer

    With you on the Pats under but give the Pats 10 days to prep for Taylor / Rex Ryan not sure I see Rex / Bills pulling this one out unless Def / special teams gives them one score and even maybe two scores.

    I know brady seems to always struggle against Rex coached teams and that is why I see the under but winning with maybe no McCoy and a still very young Taylor (per actual game play) will be tough.

    The (Arizona total going over game) came thru with a last minute 50 yard RB dump pass and I see the same type of last minute play to pull this one out for Buffalo.

    Good luck and thanks for the pics. 

     
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    Thank you for explaining to these commoners and peasants the meaning of "Vegas".

    Too many times I get called out for referring to "Vegas". I always explain that "Vegas" is a loose term to denote the larger umbrella of worldwide sportsbook association.

    It is us (sports bettors), versus Vegas (sportsbook - whether this is LV, overseas, local etc.).
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    Thank you for explaining to these commoners and peasants the meaning of "Vegas".

    Too many times I get called out for referring to "Vegas". I always explain that "Vegas" is a loose term to denote the larger umbrella of worldwide sportsbook association.

    It is us (sports bettors), versus Vegas (sportsbook - whether this is LV, overseas, local etc.).
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeORdie:

    Thank you for explaining to these commoners and peasants the meaning of "Vegas".

    Too many times I get called out for referring to "Vegas". I always explain that "Vegas" is a loose term to denote the larger umbrella of worldwide sportsbook association.

    It is us (sports bettors), versus Vegas (sportsbook - whether this is LV, overseas, local etc.).
    i did not explain to "commoners and peasants" but merely expressed my opinion to my brothers and sisters. no one is born with the full knowledge of anything.
    i spent few tours with "commoners and peasants" in military and they were the best i could rely on. no condescending in my thread please
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeORdie:

    Thank you for explaining to these commoners and peasants the meaning of "Vegas".

    Too many times I get called out for referring to "Vegas". I always explain that "Vegas" is a loose term to denote the larger umbrella of worldwide sportsbook association.

    It is us (sports bettors), versus Vegas (sportsbook - whether this is LV, overseas, local etc.).
    i did not explain to "commoners and peasants" but merely expressed my opinion to my brothers and sisters. no one is born with the full knowledge of anything.
    i spent few tours with "commoners and peasants" in military and they were the best i could rely on. no condescending in my thread please
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