[Quote: Originally Posted by Ih8coldweather]Send your thoughts/comments and trends... Also, I think the move is to go: Denver ML Denver +4.5 LARGE Denver +10.5/Rams +8.5 Seattle ML Third matchup between Seattle and Rams. Rams on the road, playing divisional opponent where they split the season series 1-1. This is an AWFUL situational spot for Stafford and the Rams. I think it is their 6th game on the road out of the last 8 games, after a brutal, lengthy, overtime thriller against a physical bears team. They play a SeaHawks team that had a first round bye, and basically played half of a game against the 49ers. The only thing that sort of scares me about this is Sam Darnold in another high pressure, spotlight game. This would be an excellent spot to try to middle the game, hoping for a Seattle win but not a blowout. The game should be close but the spot favors Seattle.[/Quote]
You could argue Rams should've won the previous matchup, and that was all without Devante. And Charbonnet is done now, too, for 'Hawks. Those are both greater factors than a tough travel schedule for Rams IMHO
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[Quote: Originally Posted by Ih8coldweather]Send your thoughts/comments and trends... Also, I think the move is to go: Denver ML Denver +4.5 LARGE Denver +10.5/Rams +8.5 Seattle ML Third matchup between Seattle and Rams. Rams on the road, playing divisional opponent where they split the season series 1-1. This is an AWFUL situational spot for Stafford and the Rams. I think it is their 6th game on the road out of the last 8 games, after a brutal, lengthy, overtime thriller against a physical bears team. They play a SeaHawks team that had a first round bye, and basically played half of a game against the 49ers. The only thing that sort of scares me about this is Sam Darnold in another high pressure, spotlight game. This would be an excellent spot to try to middle the game, hoping for a Seattle win but not a blowout. The game should be close but the spot favors Seattle.[/Quote]
You could argue Rams should've won the previous matchup, and that was all without Devante. And Charbonnet is done now, too, for 'Hawks. Those are both greater factors than a tough travel schedule for Rams IMHO
Probably Under feels most solid to me, side is tough but ultimately I don't think Denver will have enough offense. NE has a good defense too. They have one of the best yards per completion in the pass game 2nd in NFL between Ramadan and hawks and the best completion percentage. I think they make more big plays and Denver ranking 20th even with Nix in yards per comp will be even lower.
Stidham is probably going to be rusty and NE hurried stroud a lot last game.
NE has the most fumbles in the NFL Denver has the fewest. The Pats score the 4th most TDs Denver has allowed the 2nd fewest, NE the 6th fewest and Denver has scored the 13th most.
If Maye doesn't turn it over they will win this game. Stidham will have to continue to avoid giveaways the way Nix and the offense has to have a chance. There's a good chance he is going to turn it over most of his pro career he throws like a TD and a pick every game.
Houston could have beat NE and even tho Denver is the top seed I think Nix was such a driving force he had an energy that really worked i don't think it's an overreaction to make the Broncos a 5 pt dog.
They barely got by Buffalo and in London barely got by the Jets. Now they're playing the best team of the AFC East without their starter. Pats schedule is all kinds of suspect but they keep making plays and winning. It's tough to win on the road but they have a rising star at QB and in a game where both teams will feel the path to victory will lie in avoiding mistakes I'll take the team that can make big plays often enough to rank 2nd in yards per completion and 2nd in yards per play. 6 yards per play vs 5.9 for Buffalo who gave their defense fits last game and NE has a better overall defense too than Buffalo. Denver's vaunted rush defense got ran all over by Buffalo and NE is a good running team also.
NE leads the NFL in 1st half points. It's easy to see them carrying tbeir momentum from taking control of the game last week in the 4th and getting off to a good start. Playing from behind is not where a backup QB wants to be with a struggling offense. The OT after effect combined with the deflating injury could cause a hangover which is not what you want facing the best 1st half scoring team and 3rd best 2nd half defense - if NE takes the lead early this could get ugly for Denver and Stidham the pressure will mount quickly.
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I've gone back and forth on this one a lot.
Probably Under feels most solid to me, side is tough but ultimately I don't think Denver will have enough offense. NE has a good defense too. They have one of the best yards per completion in the pass game 2nd in NFL between Ramadan and hawks and the best completion percentage. I think they make more big plays and Denver ranking 20th even with Nix in yards per comp will be even lower.
Stidham is probably going to be rusty and NE hurried stroud a lot last game.
NE has the most fumbles in the NFL Denver has the fewest. The Pats score the 4th most TDs Denver has allowed the 2nd fewest, NE the 6th fewest and Denver has scored the 13th most.
If Maye doesn't turn it over they will win this game. Stidham will have to continue to avoid giveaways the way Nix and the offense has to have a chance. There's a good chance he is going to turn it over most of his pro career he throws like a TD and a pick every game.
Houston could have beat NE and even tho Denver is the top seed I think Nix was such a driving force he had an energy that really worked i don't think it's an overreaction to make the Broncos a 5 pt dog.
They barely got by Buffalo and in London barely got by the Jets. Now they're playing the best team of the AFC East without their starter. Pats schedule is all kinds of suspect but they keep making plays and winning. It's tough to win on the road but they have a rising star at QB and in a game where both teams will feel the path to victory will lie in avoiding mistakes I'll take the team that can make big plays often enough to rank 2nd in yards per completion and 2nd in yards per play. 6 yards per play vs 5.9 for Buffalo who gave their defense fits last game and NE has a better overall defense too than Buffalo. Denver's vaunted rush defense got ran all over by Buffalo and NE is a good running team also.
NE leads the NFL in 1st half points. It's easy to see them carrying tbeir momentum from taking control of the game last week in the 4th and getting off to a good start. Playing from behind is not where a backup QB wants to be with a struggling offense. The OT after effect combined with the deflating injury could cause a hangover which is not what you want facing the best 1st half scoring team and 3rd best 2nd half defense - if NE takes the lead early this could get ugly for Denver and Stidham the pressure will mount quickly.
What factors make him elite? Since winning the super bowl in 2009 he was a pedestrian 5-8 in the post-season as the Saints head coach, and that was with an elite QB in Drew Brees. He's going to instantly transform Stidham into a superstar???
Self-reliance is more important than artificial intelligence.
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"an elite super bowl winning coach"
What factors make him elite? Since winning the super bowl in 2009 he was a pedestrian 5-8 in the post-season as the Saints head coach, and that was with an elite QB in Drew Brees. He's going to instantly transform Stidham into a superstar???
"If Stidham can just play in the Sean Payton offense and not try to be like CJ Stroud from the week prior and force throws that aren't there, he should give the Broncs a good chance of winning this game outright at home."
How can the line be a gift if you're "hoping" Stidham plays well?
Self-reliance is more important than artificial intelligence.
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"If Stidham can just play in the Sean Payton offense and not try to be like CJ Stroud from the week prior and force throws that aren't there, he should give the Broncs a good chance of winning this game outright at home."
How can the line be a gift if you're "hoping" Stidham plays well?
Lastly, is this the Broncos team that was shutout through three quarters at home against the Giants earlier this season? If that happens again you can bet they won't be scoring 33 points in the 4th quarter with Stidham. Just sayin.
Self-reliance is more important than artificial intelligence.
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Lastly, is this the Broncos team that was shutout through three quarters at home against the Giants earlier this season? If that happens again you can bet they won't be scoring 33 points in the 4th quarter with Stidham. Just sayin.
Unless pats turn the ball over stidham ain't getting past the 50 yard line
They forgot to tell you Denvers defense has given up 30 "pure" points per gm last 4 @ home and if Josh and the bills didnt gift them 16 pts..guess what 17-30, but we wont count that 30-14 Pats..will finish what Buffalo couldnt do. Stidham...lol.
- The storms will come, the storms will pass -
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Quote Originally Posted by Peezy9166:
Unless pats turn the ball over stidham ain't getting past the 50 yard line
They forgot to tell you Denvers defense has given up 30 "pure" points per gm last 4 @ home and if Josh and the bills didnt gift them 16 pts..guess what 17-30, but we wont count that 30-14 Pats..will finish what Buffalo couldnt do. Stidham...lol.
I've gone back and forth on this one a lot. Probably Under feels most solid to me, side is tough but ultimately I don't think Denver will have enough offense. NE has a good defense too. They have one of the best yards per completion in the pass game 2nd in NFL between Ramadan and hawks and the best completion percentage. I think they make more big plays and Denver ranking 20th even with Nix in yards per comp will be even lower. Stidham is probably going to be rusty and NE hurried stroud a lot last game. NE has the most fumbles in the NFL Denver has the fewest. The Pats score the 4th most TDs Denver has allowed the 2nd fewest, NE the 6th fewest and Denver has scored the 13th most. If Maye doesn't turn it over they will win this game. Stidham will have to continue to avoid giveaways the way Nix and the offense has to have a chance. There's a good chance he is going to turn it over most of his pro career he throws like a TD and a pick every game. Houston could have beat NE and even tho Denver is the top seed I think Nix was such a driving force he had an energy that really worked i don't think it's an overreaction to make the Broncos a 5 pt dog. They barely got by Buffalo and in London barely got by the Jets. Now they're playing the best team of the AFC East without their starter. Pats schedule isall kinds of suspect but they keep making plays and winning. It's tough to win on the road but they have a rising star at QB and in a game where both teams will feel the path to victory will lie in avoiding mistakes I'll take the team that can make big plays often enough to rank 2nd in yards per completion and 2nd in yards per play. 6 yards per play vs 5.9 for Buffalo who gave their defense fits last game and NE has a better overall defense too than Buffalo. Denver's vaunted rush defense got ran all over by Buffalo and NE is a good running team also. NE leads the NFL in 1st half points. It's easy to see them carrying tbeir momentum from taking control of the game last week in the 4th and getting off to a good start. Playing from behind is not where a backup QB wants to be with a struggling offense. The OT after effect combined with thedeflating injurycould cause a hangover which is not what you want facing the best 1st half scoring team and 3rd best 2nd half defense - if NE takes the lead early this could get ugly for Denver and Stidham the pressure will mount quickly.
Several good points you mention, not something that a coach did years ago( Payton) or home dogs this, home dogs in the playoffs that.. let me elaborate..
Maye and the Pats are beating that weak opposition an AOPR of 18 by 11-12 pure points per game, 29-30 road rating ( L4 road series/ recent road form) with a positive true point differential
Denver is losing to an AOPR of 24.5 at home ( L4H) by 11-13 pure points per game, a 13-16 home rating ( L4H) with a negative true point diifferential
New England will score 1st..the rest is history.
- The storms will come, the storms will pass -
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Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:
I've gone back and forth on this one a lot. Probably Under feels most solid to me, side is tough but ultimately I don't think Denver will have enough offense. NE has a good defense too. They have one of the best yards per completion in the pass game 2nd in NFL between Ramadan and hawks and the best completion percentage. I think they make more big plays and Denver ranking 20th even with Nix in yards per comp will be even lower. Stidham is probably going to be rusty and NE hurried stroud a lot last game. NE has the most fumbles in the NFL Denver has the fewest. The Pats score the 4th most TDs Denver has allowed the 2nd fewest, NE the 6th fewest and Denver has scored the 13th most. If Maye doesn't turn it over they will win this game. Stidham will have to continue to avoid giveaways the way Nix and the offense has to have a chance. There's a good chance he is going to turn it over most of his pro career he throws like a TD and a pick every game. Houston could have beat NE and even tho Denver is the top seed I think Nix was such a driving force he had an energy that really worked i don't think it's an overreaction to make the Broncos a 5 pt dog. They barely got by Buffalo and in London barely got by the Jets. Now they're playing the best team of the AFC East without their starter. Pats schedule isall kinds of suspect but they keep making plays and winning. It's tough to win on the road but they have a rising star at QB and in a game where both teams will feel the path to victory will lie in avoiding mistakes I'll take the team that can make big plays often enough to rank 2nd in yards per completion and 2nd in yards per play. 6 yards per play vs 5.9 for Buffalo who gave their defense fits last game and NE has a better overall defense too than Buffalo. Denver's vaunted rush defense got ran all over by Buffalo and NE is a good running team also. NE leads the NFL in 1st half points. It's easy to see them carrying tbeir momentum from taking control of the game last week in the 4th and getting off to a good start. Playing from behind is not where a backup QB wants to be with a struggling offense. The OT after effect combined with thedeflating injurycould cause a hangover which is not what you want facing the best 1st half scoring team and 3rd best 2nd half defense - if NE takes the lead early this could get ugly for Denver and Stidham the pressure will mount quickly.
Several good points you mention, not something that a coach did years ago( Payton) or home dogs this, home dogs in the playoffs that.. let me elaborate..
Maye and the Pats are beating that weak opposition an AOPR of 18 by 11-12 pure points per game, 29-30 road rating ( L4 road series/ recent road form) with a positive true point differential
Denver is losing to an AOPR of 24.5 at home ( L4H) by 11-13 pure points per game, a 13-16 home rating ( L4H) with a negative true point diifferential
The team that managed 41 non QB rush yds against Bills is going to smash Barmore & Williams in the mouth? Who did the Broncos play? Impressive OT win vs Mariotta, Oak by 3, Giants & Jets miracle comenacks..I know you have Google and can see they played no one either. Outside of at Eagles what was their signature win? Thr come from behind one scores games were because of Nixs. I'll give you the crowd and the altitude but don't see any match up nightmares for Pats. It seems to be the other way.
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@Ih8coldweather
The team that managed 41 non QB rush yds against Bills is going to smash Barmore & Williams in the mouth? Who did the Broncos play? Impressive OT win vs Mariotta, Oak by 3, Giants & Jets miracle comenacks..I know you have Google and can see they played no one either. Outside of at Eagles what was their signature win? Thr come from behind one scores games were because of Nixs. I'll give you the crowd and the altitude but don't see any match up nightmares for Pats. It seems to be the other way.
Make sure you come back to this thread with your tail between your legs like the last time when Denver covers the 4.5. I like to keep receipts, especially of clowns who constantly come into my threads and offer nothing of substance.
I love the Patriots. I love Vrabel. They are tough and gritty. But this game will go down to the wire...
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@C-70Blues
Make sure you come back to this thread with your tail between your legs like the last time when Denver covers the 4.5. I like to keep receipts, especially of clowns who constantly come into my threads and offer nothing of substance.
I love the Patriots. I love Vrabel. They are tough and gritty. But this game will go down to the wire...
"an elite super bowl winning coach" What factors make him elite? Since winning the super bowl in 2009 he was a pedestrian 5-8 in the post-season as the Saints head coach, and that was with an elite QB in Drew Brees. He's going to instantly transform Stidham into a superstar???
you're cherry picking. payton is 17-5 with backup qb, that is very good.
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Quote Originally Posted by C-70Blues:
"an elite super bowl winning coach" What factors make him elite? Since winning the super bowl in 2009 he was a pedestrian 5-8 in the post-season as the Saints head coach, and that was with an elite QB in Drew Brees. He's going to instantly transform Stidham into a superstar???
you're cherry picking. payton is 17-5 with backup qb, that is very good.
Why does the 17-5 stat mean jack shit. It means that clearly he chooses his backups wisely and knows how to gameplan and win with them. It is arguably one of the most important stats.
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@wizard1183
Why does the 17-5 stat mean jack shit. It means that clearly he chooses his backups wisely and knows how to gameplan and win with them. It is arguably one of the most important stats.
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