I'm in the minority here, I love it the way it is and hope it never changes. Also winning the flip isn't such a big deal like everyone makes it out to be. I'm not sure of the accuracy of this now, but last year a respected source had done the research and the team that wins the toss in OT only wins the game on that drive 60% of the time, so its a pretty small edge anyway, hence why its stayed the same
Pretty small edge!!!!!!
If this was a bet, 60% would translate into -150 odds. What you are saying is that a game with -160/+140 odds is a virtual pick 'em.
Ummm...I'd like to bet against you.
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Quote Originally Posted by pickinvet:
I'm in the minority here, I love it the way it is and hope it never changes. Also winning the flip isn't such a big deal like everyone makes it out to be. I'm not sure of the accuracy of this now, but last year a respected source had done the research and the team that wins the toss in OT only wins the game on that drive 60% of the time, so its a pretty small edge anyway, hence why its stayed the same
Pretty small edge!!!!!!
If this was a bet, 60% would translate into -150 odds. What you are saying is that a game with -160/+140 odds is a virtual pick 'em.
The ultimate decision does not rest on the coin toss...
If the coin toss winner wins 73% of the time, then almost the ultimate decision rests on the coin toss.
With those odds, who would you bet on at the start of OT. Watch which way the odds go in Live! betting after the coin toss.
It's a no-brainer argument. Sure we can say a team should win the a game in regulation,e tc. But that's not the issue. A team may have made a valiant effort to get to OT, only to lose the coin flip and a 73% chance at winning the game.
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Quote Originally Posted by HotRoute:
The ultimate decision does not rest on the coin toss...
If the coin toss winner wins 73% of the time, then almost the ultimate decision rests on the coin toss.
With those odds, who would you bet on at the start of OT. Watch which way the odds go in Live! betting after the coin toss.
It's a no-brainer argument. Sure we can say a team should win the a game in regulation,e tc. But that's not the issue. A team may have made a valiant effort to get to OT, only to lose the coin flip and a 73% chance at winning the game.
And last night's game is a good example at the stupidity of FGs. Houston has lost two games because of their kicker vs another kicker. Should those two "non-players" be the difference between two teams, or should it be decided by the guys who really PLAY the game?
Sure you can say Houston should have done more than manage 3 points in the 2H, but still the game was even and then decided by these two "non-players."
OK, rant over. I hate FGs. Or at least I hate it when a missed one decides the game.
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And last night's game is a good example at the stupidity of FGs. Houston has lost two games because of their kicker vs another kicker. Should those two "non-players" be the difference between two teams, or should it be decided by the guys who really PLAY the game?
Sure you can say Houston should have done more than manage 3 points in the 2H, but still the game was even and then decided by these two "non-players."
OK, rant over. I hate FGs. Or at least I hate it when a missed one decides the game.
Yeah, it's over 70% that the team that wins the coin toss wins the OT, which is why you never see a team defer to receive the ball and play defense instead, proving how important it is to win that toss. However, in college the teams that wins the toss plays D first, which makes perfect sense. The college idea is clearly better, but can still use some tinkering. College system's review of plays is also soooo much better than Pro too, it isn't even close. College has a replay booth with a group of people that are always looking over every play and will buzz the official when they went to take a longer look. Not like in the NFL where they might not look at it and the coach has no timeouts left and crap like that. Plus in the NFL, one idiot looks at the replay and decides, instead of multiple people in college. Finally, the time of reviews is the biggest difference. In college they can resolve it seconds, NFL can take up to 10 minutes with commercials. Brutal.
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Yeah, it's over 70% that the team that wins the coin toss wins the OT, which is why you never see a team defer to receive the ball and play defense instead, proving how important it is to win that toss. However, in college the teams that wins the toss plays D first, which makes perfect sense. The college idea is clearly better, but can still use some tinkering. College system's review of plays is also soooo much better than Pro too, it isn't even close. College has a replay booth with a group of people that are always looking over every play and will buzz the official when they went to take a longer look. Not like in the NFL where they might not look at it and the coach has no timeouts left and crap like that. Plus in the NFL, one idiot looks at the replay and decides, instead of multiple people in college. Finally, the time of reviews is the biggest difference. In college they can resolve it seconds, NFL can take up to 10 minutes with commercials. Brutal.
And last night's game is a good example at the stupidity of FGs. Houston has lost two games because of their kicker vs another kicker. Should those two "non-players" be the difference between two teams, or should it be decided by the guys who really PLAY the game?
Sure you can say Houston should have done more than manage 3 points in the 2H, but still the game was even and then decided by these two "non-players."
OK, rant over. I hate FGs. Or at least I hate it when a missed one decides the game.
And last night's game is a good example at the stupidity of FGs. Houston has lost two games because of their kicker vs another kicker. Should those two "non-players" be the difference between two teams, or should it be decided by the guys who really PLAY the game?
Sure you can say Houston should have done more than manage 3 points in the 2H, but still the game was even and then decided by these two "non-players."
OK, rant over. I hate FGs. Or at least I hate it when a missed one decides the game.
I don't think you wanna bet against me man, 5 straight winning years, 5 straight winning weeks currently, 10-2 last 4 weeks on top 3 (check the threads)
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I don't think you wanna bet against me man, 5 straight winning years, 5 straight winning weeks currently, 10-2 last 4 weeks on top 3 (check the threads)
I mean you can debate whether a team has a 55% chance of winning or a 65% chance of winning and with all the situational statistics, etc. the number is always open to debate.
But once you know what that number is, you convert that number into true odds and there is no "like xxx", it is xxx.
What you just said was the equivalent of saying a dollar is more like 65 cents than it is 100 cents.
It just makes no sense.
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I mean you can debate whether a team has a 55% chance of winning or a 65% chance of winning and with all the situational statistics, etc. the number is always open to debate.
But once you know what that number is, you convert that number into true odds and there is no "like xxx", it is xxx.
What you just said was the equivalent of saying a dollar is more like 65 cents than it is 100 cents.
interesting for sure didn't know the exact formula. All I meant with my original post is that, while there is a better chance for whoever wins flip it is not as huge of advantage like Costas was talking. Plus I like having OT the way it is.
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interesting for sure didn't know the exact formula. All I meant with my original post is that, while there is a better chance for whoever wins flip it is not as huge of advantage like Costas was talking. Plus I like having OT the way it is.
Barnstorm I'm talking about the 60%, this is the number for them to win on the opening drive, the 73% number is for that team to win in all games not just opening drive, if the Teams that wins the flip doesn't win it on that drive it shouldn't be a part of the argument to change OT in my opinion
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Barnstorm I'm talking about the 60%, this is the number for them to win on the opening drive, the 73% number is for that team to win in all games not just opening drive, if the Teams that wins the flip doesn't win it on that drive it shouldn't be a part of the argument to change OT in my opinion
That is a huge advantage. 73% is almost 3-1...roughly the same as the Yankees best pitcher facing the Nationals worst in Yankee Stadium.
I always thought the number was less than 50% on the opening drive...60% overall. Haven't looked it up recently.
Honestly, anything over 52% is just wrong. What do you think of my bidding idea? It would basically guarantee 50%...plus it would be as quick and easy as a coin flip.
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Is it 60% on the opening drive; 73% overall??
That is a huge advantage. 73% is almost 3-1...roughly the same as the Yankees best pitcher facing the Nationals worst in Yankee Stadium.
I always thought the number was less than 50% on the opening drive...60% overall. Haven't looked it up recently.
Honestly, anything over 52% is just wrong. What do you think of my bidding idea? It would basically guarantee 50%...plus it would be as quick and easy as a coin flip.
The Steelers got the ball first vs the Chiefs they lost
I HATE THIS ARGUMENT EVERY TIME A F'N TEAM THAT WINS THE TOSS WINS ON THE 1ST DRIVE
PLAY DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK....saying a team is 40% to win doesn't mean they are going to lose. I don't know why people think like this. Obviously, 40% teams win sometimes....ummm 40% of the time.
Its still not nearly right.
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Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:
The Steelers got the ball first vs the Chiefs they lost
I HATE THIS ARGUMENT EVERY TIME A F'N TEAM THAT WINS THE TOSS WINS ON THE 1ST DRIVE
PLAY DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK....saying a team is 40% to win doesn't mean they are going to lose. I don't know why people think like this. Obviously, 40% teams win sometimes....ummm 40% of the time.
you may be right tallguy, like I said I last read something about it last year, I thought it was 60% overall, but then when these guys are saying 73% I figured the 60% I read about must have been opening drive I'm not sure
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you may be right tallguy, like I said I last read something about it last year, I thought it was 60% overall, but then when these guys are saying 73% I figured the 60% I read about must have been opening drive I'm not sure
I just meant Costas speaks like its 90% or something and its not that big of an edge
No its not 90%....but the NFL will routinely stop the game and bring out the sticks to see if someone is one or two inches short.
They will stop the game for minutes to analyze about a millimeter's distance on replay.
Then a really close game ends in a tie and they give an enormous head start to one team based purely on random chance.
Its a strange way of doing things....
Its also another example of a system that made sense initially but nobody would have thought was a good idea if they just thought of it is allowed to stay purely out of inertia.
In London, they made a law in the late 1800s that taxis had to carry a bale of hay in case their horses got hungry downtown. Of course, soon thereafter, taxicabs started changing from horse drawn carraiges to motorcars. They didn't change the law until 1976!!! Taxi drivers were still hauling around hay for no good reason well after we landed a man on the moon.
Don't let fear of change get in the way of removing stupid rules.
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Quote Originally Posted by pickinvet:
I just meant Costas speaks like its 90% or something and its not that big of an edge
No its not 90%....but the NFL will routinely stop the game and bring out the sticks to see if someone is one or two inches short.
They will stop the game for minutes to analyze about a millimeter's distance on replay.
Then a really close game ends in a tie and they give an enormous head start to one team based purely on random chance.
Its a strange way of doing things....
Its also another example of a system that made sense initially but nobody would have thought was a good idea if they just thought of it is allowed to stay purely out of inertia.
In London, they made a law in the late 1800s that taxis had to carry a bale of hay in case their horses got hungry downtown. Of course, soon thereafter, taxicabs started changing from horse drawn carraiges to motorcars. They didn't change the law until 1976!!! Taxi drivers were still hauling around hay for no good reason well after we landed a man on the moon.
Don't let fear of change get in the way of removing stupid rules.
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