Trae Young better than Doncic and better than Curry at the same age! Let the debate begin.

sooooooooo,HAVE YOU played basketball?

@ThrowDemDarts

 . He literally played the exact same way last year and they were 20-47 and one of the worst teams in the NBA. They restocked, got him some elite shooters, and a 15/14 pick and roll center, and what a shocker. They are better. And it's hilarious how you think Bogdanovic and Capela didn't prove shit this year. Their team D against the 76ers was way more impressive than Trae Young inefficient shooting.[/Quote]

what the hell has this got to do with anything???its completely irrelevant...what the fucc does the team adding good players have to do with anything??the crux of the argument ISNT that the team is doing well and its "all because of trae"..no,thats just a cherry on top that he gets to show what he can do on a bigger stage under greater pressure...the main crux is his INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCE,which is better than what steph managed....but hey thanks for pointing out that he was ALREADY BETTER than steph as a 21 year old due to his output being similar in both years...mighty generous of you.but you just keep on digging your own hole even deeper by doing so...thats what dumb guys do though.

They did go up without Monta. His first year without Monta he averaged 23/7 with a ridiculous 45% from 3. They also lost in the 2nd round in game 6 to the dynasty Spurs team. Steph Curry was always better than Trae Young. He didn't stop being better than him between 22-24 simply because he was stuck on a crap team sharing the ball with a veteran who was meant to be the primary scorer. 

Your recollection of Steph is skewed for some reason. He was great, so great they got rid of Monta for him and the team excelled once they allowed him to be the focal point of the team. And even as the focal point he still shot an insane 45% from 3. You guys scoffing at his %'s is the most hilarious part of this whole argument. His efficiency for what he does is what separates him from everyone else. I'm glad Trae is allowed to be a ball dominant guard, who shoots a crap load of inefficient shots and accumulates stats. Why you think that makes him better than a 22 year old steph curry who was an assassin who had to share the ball with someone else is beyond me. You'd think as a fan of Steph you'd think a little more highly of him. He's definitely always been better than Trae at every age. Luka would be a better argument. 

Well I'm glad you eliminated team success from your argument now. You just strike me as someone who'd be amazed by an inefficient shooting point guard who struggles playing D.

nobody is "scoffing" at shooting %..obviously they are important.i mean the whole idea is to put the ball in the basket as often aspossible..but its not the ONLY THING the way that a dunce like you thinks it is.you are sitting there getting a hard-on over looking at his shooting %,you cant even contain your excitement......its you that is "scoffing" at a guy "accumulating stats"...if its that easy then why are there fucc all guys in  league history notching 25 and 9 assists over a season??its easy and anyone can do it and its not impressive,right??then why aint everyone doing it?can teams not use a guy who can create shots and score points??

good grief,you really do struggle mightily with reading and comprehension dont you??its not eliminated..its an extra cherry on top..cos nobody can control the team or coach that they have around them so you can only go as far as those elements will allow you to go...BUT the fact he is on a good team is illustrating that a)he is helping to elevate them due to the fact that none of those guys are elite all-star level players previous to this year and b)he can perform in a tougher environment than just regular season play and can handle pressure.

Luka was balling with grown men , winning championships and mvps when trae was playing in high school .. ????

You guys are just basketball novices. Trae has been the same player for 4 years. At no point has he been better than Steph. He's not even a top 100 shooter. We've seen inefficient shooting stat accumulators before. Harden, Rose, Westbrook, Ja, Giannis, Luka, etc, etc. Especially in the modern day basketball that Steph created, we'll see more and more. They're skilled no doubt but we are comparing them to arguably the most skilled offensive basketball player to ever touch a basketball. Trae is not even close to being someone that is good enough to be compared to a 22 year old steph. He needs to spend the next year in the gym working on shooting. I'm sorry that this is the first time you've watched him play but this is just who he's been the entire time. He played the same way last year and they were 20-47. He played miserably to start this year and got a coach fired. They're on a pretty cool run in the eastern conference. Great for the Hawks. But he's not that special. You guys are insane and just forgot how good Steph Curry actually is.

This is funny considering Stump watched every Warriors game and knew the Warriors and that Steph was never considered that good in his early years. Let's look back in time to see what was really said about Steph. Here's the first article I came across from the warriors site golden state of mind. I'm glad I looked back at this because these guys had me actually questioning the past because I clearly remember Steph being a stud on a crappy team. It's kind of weird his rookie season they were already questioning whether he's a future hall of famer. Kind of weird question for a guy who couldn't handle the big bad NBA like Trae can. 

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"As has been well chronicled, the Warriors have played ridiculously short-handed all season long. This team was held together by midseason D-League call-ups, that brought the number of players available to play each night up to a ridiculously low six, seven or eight. In the midst of all of these injury woes, Curry was the iron-man, playing in all but 2 games. He has been a major part of the glue that has kept this decimated Warriors squad together, and playing hard all season long.

And what of Curry's work with the D-leaguers? The on-court chemistry he has achieved with Chris Hunter and Anthony Tolliver, in a matter of weeks, is nothing short of remarkable. Could Tyreke Evans, who failed in an entire season to attain any chemistry with his established high-draft-pick big men, have led the Warriors D-leaguers the way Curry has?

Stephen Curry is loved by his teammates. Don Nelson recently referred to the extraordinary chemistry in the Warriors' locker room, calling the Warriors' young core of players "Curry's guys."

Real greatness is foreshadowed in Curry's rookie stats. And not just in his stats, but in the opinion of his head coach, and many other coaches and commentators around the league, who consider him on a par with Steve Nash in terms of basketball IQ.

Brandon Jennings has me wondering if he really is a legitimate NBA starter. Tyreke Evans has me wondering whether he can ever be the kind of player who makes his teammates better, who leads his team into the playoffs, who becomes worthy of an all-star selection.

I don't wonder about those things with Stephen Curry. I have no doubt that he will lead his team into the playoffs many times, and earn many all-star selections.

What Stephen Curry has me wondering is whether I'm watching a future NBA Hall of Famer.

Stephen Curry is the right choice, and the only choice, for the NBA Rookie of the Year."

O...M....F...G.

DUMBEST GUY ON COVERS.AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE.

we are 25 fuccing pages deep now and he has basically repeated the same corny,inaccurate "fan-boy" phrases about 247 times.whilst refusing to address a single point or question posed in refutation.he has been asked several times why he simply repeats the exact same 3 phrases over and over and over again but being a simpleton he either doesnt understand or cant formulate a response......so dumb,so basic.the ONLY thing he seemingly knows about hoops is fg% and thats it.this guy is a moron with a pointy dunce hat on,sitting in the corner dribbling all over himself.

stick to throwing darts,little fella.thats about all the complexity your golf ball-sized brain can deal with.

Steph Curry was better at 18 than Trae is at age 22.

What a duma$$ argument from Trae backers. 

Trae Young gets numbers because he is the only point guard on the roster and doesn't have to share the ball with anyone.

He shoots 34% from three for a career, and is shooting 33% from 3 in the playoffs. He is nowhere near as efficient as Steph Curry was at 22 or at any other age. 

Dudes in here arguing otherwise do not know hoops. 

in the ultimate land of homers and fanboys it doesnt get any worse or more sickening than this curry slurper...wipe your mouth,dart-boy.its disgusting.

stu admits to a deep love of steph but at least he can be objective....of course you would need a fully developed brain and some level of perspective and maturity for that so we understand why its beyond this dart throwing lard-as.s.

hey little guy....tryna see how many topics you can be wrong about??

how come jordan didnt "make his team better" the first 6 years of his career and get past superior squads???like you wanted lebron to do.

steph-18.6 ppg   5.8 assts   3.9 rbs   1.5 stls   48% fg   44% 3pt fg   93% ft   PER-19.4

trae-  25.3 ppg   9.4 assts   3.9 rbs   0.8 stls   44% fg   34% 3pt fg   89% ft   PER-23 

Stop slurping Lebron. You look foolish. His resume even in his early years in the weak a$$ east is nowhere near what MJ faced in his first 6 years.

What dynasty did Lebron face in the East during his first 6 years??? I'll wait.

Jordan did make his team better immediately guy.

Look at the Bulls record before and after he joined the team in 85, and every year after that. Are you trying to say Jordan didn't instantly make his team better?? Of course he was going to lose to the dynasty Celtics and Back to Back Title Pistons teams with numerous hall of famers all over the rosters in his earliest years in the 80s before he even had Pippen, and during Pipps earliest years before he was even an all star.

MJ is the GOAT, and it's not close, but keep slurping. 

@DeezyAZ81

dis dude been sitting in his basement all angry and salty about the last time he got obliterated in an argument and this is his ingenious plan to "get revenge"....i know,i'll be WRONG about another topic and go and voice my disagreement,that'll show him!!

losers telling people they "dOnT kNoW hOoPs" when the only fuccing metric they are aware of is shooting efficiency...there is nothing else in the sport of basketball that matters.only shooting efficiency.

if its the only thing that matters then why the fugg are these high volume,inefficient shooters even allowed on the floor or on a roster??surely you could just replace them all with a far less talented spot-up shooter that wont miss as many shots??......nope,these coc.ks are a bit too dumb to figure it out.

oh no no no...dont shift the goalposts,little man...you know EXACTLY what i was asking...i was asking why didnt he MAKE HIS TEAM BETTER than the teams he lost to each year in the playoffs??or even better to the point where his bulls made the playoffs in the first place.obviously they both make any team they are on better,you absolute moron..the point is that lebron FAILED in the finals and "didnt do enough" to "make his team-mates better" over and over again in the finals each time he lost and you said thats unacceptable.if you are the "GOAT" then you can do enough to beat far superior,more talented teams.(this despite the fact that every single fuccing year lebron was putting up historically unprecedented numbers himself)....so whats up,little guy??lebron failed all those times in the finals to "make his team better" in order to get them over the hump.

why did jordan NOT ONCE "make his team better" to the point where he could even get to the finals,let alone win in all those years before 1992????

dont tell me he was underdog and didnt have good enough team around him....you dont give a flying fukc about that with lebron,who has been favourite only twice in all his finals series...you just got to "make your team better"

Is Steph now only a spot up efficient shooter now??? That's comical.

Steph is a smarter basketball player than Trae Young as well. Isn't this Trae Young's first season with a winning record? first time in the playoffs? His inefficiencies clearly impacting winning.

Didn't trade average 30 points last season? What was his team's record last season and the year before that? That should tell you numbers do not tell the whole story. 

Dudes on bad teams can put up good numbers when they have the ultimate green light with no one else playing their position. 

hilarious how the absolute best teams of jordans era were the bird celtics,isiah pistons and kareem/magic lakers and HE COULDNT EVER BEAT ANY OF THEM,NOT ONCE!!!!didnt even come close..........oh no wait,scratch that...after being completely exhausted and depleted from going on deeeeeeep playoff runs 4 years in a row all the way to the finals basically,the pistons finally succumbed to jordans bulls.

so then he goes on to pad the resume with wins versus sonics,blazers,jazz and you act like he slayed all before him....if it was switched and that was lebron you would be tearing him a new one for "beating up on the weak" and not being able to get it done until all the great teams had dis-banded or fallen apart.

You argument is weak as well. You act like Lebron played in 8 finals with no help.

Lebron played with three hall of famers in Miami and likely two others in Cleveland. What on earth are you talking about? 

During Mike's first 5-6 years he played with no all-stars, and no hall of famers. Scottie wasn't an all star until his 3rd year in the league (he only averaged 16 that year). The very first time Scottie was an all star they took the Pistons seven games and Scottie couldn't play game 7 with a migraine in the Eastern Conference Finals. The very next year they swept the defending two time champs. 

MJ previously lost to the dynastic Celtics with no all stars, and many considered the 86 Celtics to be maybe the best team of all time during that era. 

Don't even bring up Lebrick losing to the Warriors 3 times either. After you are in here comparing Trae Young to Steph Curry. 

That counteracts your whole argument that Lebron faced better teams in the finals. Saying Trae Young is on Stephs level. 

I know you are young, but you need history lessons boy. 

Awww the Pistons were exhausted???? That is your argument??? 

I guess they should have just sat out the playoffs and not defended their titles since they were too tired. Are you serious with that BS excuse for getting beat? They were exhausted??? awww, poor babies.

They weren't tired in the back to back title years though or season 3 with a deep championship run?? They were only tired in year 4???? hahaha. Ok guy whatever excuse you need to elevate Lebrick. 

You Lebrick stans are funny. 

Imagine actually saying that. 

wut???are you docile or sumthin??you fall and bump your head??who the hell said that steph was only a spot-up shooter???huh??thats not what i said at all.

oh jeezus h. christ you americans ARE DENSE.thick as pig-shit..its unbelievable.young couldnt win primarily because he DIDNT HAVE A GOOD ENOUGH TEAM,its a team sport you imbecile.how many fuggin times does this have to be pointed out to you before the penny drops???the same way steph didnt do anything his first 2 or 3 years..cos the team he was on was TRASH.didnt matter how efficient he or trae were or were not,if your team-mates are garbage you arent going very far..fuccing hell,this is stuff a small child can understand and yet you are struggling greatly......to make you look as stupid as what you are the point is being proved RIGHT NOW,trae is still not efficient shooting the ball this year,same as last year and yet the team has made a huge leap,its cos he got extra pieces added...as well as his own improvement and leadership....so your argument is destroyed.saying they were crap overall solely cos of his play makes zero sense.

2011 Dallas Finals. Case closed. Lebrick eliminated from GOAT debate. Deal with it. 

GOATS don't perform that poorly in a Finals. Sorry guy. 

OMFG..you utter,utter dope.go and check the history books.you complete fuggin idiot..are you actually an alternate account of "thow-dem-lies"??cos the statistical probability of encountering two people as incomprehensibly thick as what you two are in one place seems staggeringly low.

of all the teams in league history that went deep into the playoffs,finals or conference finals and beyond,for 3 FUQQING YEARS STRAIGHT can you please tell me the records of how well they did the following year?????how many either got back or did well at all????...surprise surprise surprise it was ONLY the celtics of the 60s that could maintain greatness for longer than 3 years and thats only cos they had all of the best players and there were only 8 teams and guys on other teams were plumbers and accountants that wore teeny-tiny shorts and spectacles on the court......so all the other teams-kobe lakers,curry warriors,magic lakers,garnett celtics broke down or were taken down.....shi.t,jordan HIMSELF was all worn out and had to sit down,have a wee nap and a break for 1 year and a half after doing it 3 in a row...this is BASIC,BASIC STUFF.that going that far with essentially the same group takes a huge emotional and physical toll on a team and eventually you are a shell of yourself and a younger,hungrier team sees you as being there for the taking......but hey,im not really surprised that someone so basic that all they know is fg % is unaware of this rather obvious feature of nba history..again,even a small child could grasp this concept that its hard to be the "hunted" year after year after year and stay as sharp and motivated as the teams coming up....the obvious exception is adding a great player (or players) mid-run to revitalise the team and just add an extra huge weapon.....but even then the warriors never dominated for 10 years like people thought they could.they had 3 years with KD and physically and mentally disintegrated in that 3rd year.