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    The nobody believed in us team from hell! Cavs vs Warriors (game 7 writeup)

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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 3:31 AM ET #1

    It’s fitting that the great battle in The Game of Thrones, between the Bolton’s and Starks for Winterfell, is on the same night as the NBA finals. Like the Starks, the once indomitable Warriors have been reduced to a shell of themselves, partly due to bad luck (Curry’s injuries), partly self-inflicted (the suspensions and ejections), and partly from dealing with a ferocious foe (LBJ and his gang) looking for revenge. And like the weakened, battered and defeated Starks, the Warriors, this Sunday, are, despite Vegas odds, underdogs in their own home, at least according to the public who are both on the Cavs spread and ML.

    The nobody believes in us theory (developed by Bill Simmons) goes something like this: “The Nobody Believes In Us (NBIU) theory. It's pretty self-explanatory: a team feels, rightly or wrongly, that everyone has picked against them and comes together to pull off an upset because that added unity trumps talent.”

    This theory is not so much a theory as it is a description of a motivational tool/tactic that athletes and coaches use to overcome competitors who are bigger, faster, stronger and better than they are. The beauty of this is “theory,” when applied to the NBA, is that (due to the long nature of a series, and all the developments that can take place) it can apply to both teams at different parts of a series. Take Warriors vs OKC for example. The Thunder played like the NBIU team for four games, until everyone started doubting the Warriors, reminding themselves that perhaps they should have never believed in this team of fleet footed, diminutive jump shooters, whose star player looks like he just graduated high school. It was at that point, when the pressure shifted, and that the hunter (OKC) became the hunted. Or how about the Cavs? Once they became the NBIU team (down 1-3 in the Finals), they started to turn things around.

    For much of this season, the warriors were the NBIU champions (if there ever was one). Champions only on paper, but not in the hearts and minds of most basketball players, pundits and even fans. In response to this skepticism, they went out and set the record for most wins in a season, surprising, perhaps, even themselves. And yet, what was not a surprise, in hindsight, is the fact that if there was any team in history that would take umbrage to being dissed the way the Warriors were after winning the title, and respond to it in record-breaking fashion, it would be the Warriors. Why? Because the core of this NBIU team is made up of NBIU players the likes of which we have never seen. Go back and read interviews and stories about Curry, Thompson and Green, and what you’ll find is a common theme: all three guys (for various reasons and at various points in their basketball careers) were guys most people did not believe in. Curry, despite having father who played in the NBA, was not highly recruited and ended up going to a small private school to play ball. Klay was also not highly recruited and ended up playing for Washington State University (not exactly a powerhouse). Green was chosen in the 2nd round of the NBA draft and knows every player that went before him. All three players play with a huge chip on their shoulders, and their experience as NBUI players fuels their success and is also responsible for the synergy of the team. Add to the mix two guys (Bogut and Livingston) who suffered gruesome, career altering injuries that turned them from promising young athletes to damaged goods, and you have the makings of a NBUI team. Is it any surprises then, when you look at the brief history of this young team, they always seem to respond when the chips are down, and everyone is doubting them? It’s as if that is their comfort zone, that is what they are used to, and used to responding to. 

    Last year, they responded twice when down 1-2 to the Grizz and the Cavs. This year they responded when down 1-3 to the Thunder, while everyone was burying them (both literally and figuratively). They also responded with the greatest regular season when Doc Rivers opened his big trap and said they got lucky (BTW, an added twist to all this is Tyron Lue saying in his last presser that, “Everything I do is Doc Rivers-driven,” Lue said. “He taught me everything as far as being a coach, giving me my first chance to coach.”) During the regular season, whenever the Warriors played a very good team and everyone thought it would be a close, exciting game (including the Cavs and Spurs on the road) they usually won, and won convincingly. In other words, this team, more than any great NBA team in recent memory, loves being doubted, questioned and left for dead. It’s in their DNA. They simply don’t enjoy prosperity, which is a good thing because most teams, after squandering a 3-1 lead the way the Warriors have, would not be a good bet in a do or die game 7 (even at home). But, the Warriors are a different animal, and, in a strange way, have the Cavs right where they want them. That’s why I believe this team of underdogs will summon whatever strength they have for 48 minutes, and like the Starks on Sunday, win against the bigger, stronger, faster and fresher opponent. After all, this is what Doc Rivers said was the difference between them winning and losing: luck. And now that luck has frowned upon them, in the form of Green’s suspension, Bogut’s injury, Iggy’s back issues, and the NBA gods (i.e., Scott Foster and Crew), they must not only defeat and overcome the indomitable (not to mention sneering and preening) James, but luck itself. If there was ever a team to accomplish such a task, it is this one; the NBIU Warriors. 

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    It’s fitting that the great battle in The Game of Thrones, between the Bolton’s and Starks for Winterfell, is on the same night as the NBA finals. Like the Starks, the once indomitable Warriors have been reduced to a shell of themselves, partly due to bad luck (Curry’s injuries), partly self-inflicted (the suspensions and ejections), and partly from dealing with a ferocious foe (LBJ and his gang) looking for revenge. And like the weakened, battered and defeated Starks, the Warriors, this Sunday, are, despite Vegas odds, underdogs in their own home, at least according to the public who are both on the Cavs spread and ML.

    The nobody believes in us theory (developed by Bill Simmons) goes something like this: “The Nobody Believes In Us (NBIU) theory. It's pretty self-explanatory: a team feels, rightly or wrongly, that everyone has picked against them and comes together to pull off an upset because that added unity trumps talent.”

    This theory is not so much a theory as it is a description of a motivational tool/tactic that athletes and coaches use to overcome competitors who are bigger, faster, stronger and better than they are. The beauty of this is “theory,” when applied to the NBA, is that (due to the long nature of a series, and all the developments that can take place) it can apply to both teams at different parts of a series. Take Warriors vs OKC for example. The Thunder played like the NBIU team for four games, until everyone started doubting the Warriors, reminding themselves that perhaps they should have never believed in this team of fleet footed, diminutive jump shooters, whose star player looks like he just graduated high school. It was at that point, when the pressure shifted, and that the hunter (OKC) became the hunted. Or how about the Cavs? Once they became the NBIU team (down 1-3 in the Finals), they started to turn things around.

    For much of this season, the warriors were the NBIU champions (if there ever was one). Champions only on paper, but not in the hearts and minds of most basketball players, pundits and even fans. In response to this skepticism, they went out and set the record for most wins in a season, surprising, perhaps, even themselves. And yet, what was not a surprise, in hindsight, is the fact that if there was any team in history that would take umbrage to being dissed the way the Warriors were after winning the title, and respond to it in record-breaking fashion, it would be the Warriors. Why? Because the core of this NBIU team is made up of NBIU players the likes of which we have never seen. Go back and read interviews and stories about Curry, Thompson and Green, and what you’ll find is a common theme: all three guys (for various reasons and at various points in their basketball careers) were guys most people did not believe in. Curry, despite having father who played in the NBA, was not highly recruited and ended up going to a small private school to play ball. Klay was also not highly recruited and ended up playing for Washington State University (not exactly a powerhouse). Green was chosen in the 2nd round of the NBA draft and knows every player that went before him. All three players play with a huge chip on their shoulders, and their experience as NBUI players fuels their success and is also responsible for the synergy of the team. Add to the mix two guys (Bogut and Livingston) who suffered gruesome, career altering injuries that turned them from promising young athletes to damaged goods, and you have the makings of a NBUI team. Is it any surprises then, when you look at the brief history of this young team, they always seem to respond when the chips are down, and everyone is doubting them? It’s as if that is their comfort zone, that is what they are used to, and used to responding to. 

    Last year, they responded twice when down 1-2 to the Grizz and the Cavs. This year they responded when down 1-3 to the Thunder, while everyone was burying them (both literally and figuratively). They also responded with the greatest regular season when Doc Rivers opened his big trap and said they got lucky (BTW, an added twist to all this is Tyron Lue saying in his last presser that, “Everything I do is Doc Rivers-driven,” Lue said. “He taught me everything as far as being a coach, giving me my first chance to coach.”) During the regular season, whenever the Warriors played a very good team and everyone thought it would be a close, exciting game (including the Cavs and Spurs on the road) they usually won, and won convincingly. In other words, this team, more than any great NBA team in recent memory, loves being doubted, questioned and left for dead. It’s in their DNA. They simply don’t enjoy prosperity, which is a good thing because most teams, after squandering a 3-1 lead the way the Warriors have, would not be a good bet in a do or die game 7 (even at home). But, the Warriors are a different animal, and, in a strange way, have the Cavs right where they want them. That’s why I believe this team of underdogs will summon whatever strength they have for 48 minutes, and like the Starks on Sunday, win against the bigger, stronger, faster and fresher opponent. After all, this is what Doc Rivers said was the difference between them winning and losing: luck. And now that luck has frowned upon them, in the form of Green’s suspension, Bogut’s injury, Iggy’s back issues, and the NBA gods (i.e., Scott Foster and Crew), they must not only defeat and overcome the indomitable (not to mention sneering and preening) James, but luck itself. If there was ever a team to accomplish such a task, it is this one; the NBIU Warriors. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 3:39 AM ET #3

    However I wish the spread shouted Nobody Believes in Us a little more better than -5.
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    However I wish the spread shouted Nobody Believes in Us a little more better than -5.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 3:51 AM ET #4

    Hey BB, who is that in your picture? He looks like a crazy version of willy wonka.
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    Hey BB, who is that in your picture? He looks like a crazy version of willy wonka.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 3:56 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by mgmprofits:

    Hey BB, who is that in your picture? He looks like a crazy version of willy wonka.

    Buster Keaton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgmprofits:

    Hey BB, who is that in your picture? He looks like a crazy version of willy wonka.

    Buster Keaton.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 5:10 AM ET #6

    Cavs have owned the warriors wire to wire in every win and they even owned them for most of the game In their losses before coughing it up... Except game 1 and 2 when they seemed like a different team...  As soon as they turn on the defense button golden state has no answer. They can't take enough shots to make up for it. Just my observation.... Good luck on your play. Only one side wins and it's over. Whomevwr shows up gets the prize. My money is on cavs, but I have no problem saying well done if it loses.
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    Cavs have owned the warriors wire to wire in every win and they even owned them for most of the game In their losses before coughing it up... Except game 1 and 2 when they seemed like a different team...  As soon as they turn on the defense button golden state has no answer. They can't take enough shots to make up for it. Just my observation.... Good luck on your play. Only one side wins and it's over. Whomevwr shows up gets the prize. My money is on cavs, but I have no problem saying well done if it loses.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 5:59 AM ET #7

    A game of this caliber may never come along ever again in the history of the NBA. This game can make history amongst many other things if Cleveland wins, but if golden state wins its just s back to back. This is one of the biggest games ever...
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    A game of this caliber may never come along ever again in the history of the NBA. This game can make history amongst many other things if Cleveland wins, but if golden state wins its just s back to back. This is one of the biggest games ever...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 9:46 AM ET #8

    Nice read...GL on your pick. 
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    Nice read...GL on your pick. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 10:15 AM ET #9

    If Iggy was completely healthy then I agree.

    You can't say you feel confident with how Iggy looked on Thursday. That injury looked bad. 
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    If Iggy was completely healthy then I agree.

    You can't say you feel confident with how Iggy looked on Thursday. That injury looked bad. 
     
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    I'm sorry but again, the nbiu? Ok, that's creative and I know it's from Simmons but to think that the dubs fall into this category and not the Cavs is crazy. When I read this, I read this coming from a one sided dubs fan. You speak only about the dubs and the "adversity" that they have gone through yet what about the Cavs? Love gets hurt last year and is unable to play all throughout the playoffs. All the crap the media gave him and the falsified stories they painted to make the Cavs looks dysfunctional. It was ridiculous. If you believed that then I know you your stance on perception, then yikes. Then Irving hurts his knee and is unable to play as well. Lebron takes the team on his shoulders and he makes it a series. Warriors win. Then after that they go out and win 73?! Nobody believes in them? They have been the consensus favorite ALL YEAR and whether you want to admit it or not, they are NOT underdogs in this game. Maybe in your mind but not in theirs and that is what counts. Where are u getting this nonsense? Let me get this straight bro. Dubs come back down 1-3 and beat OKC and then after that nobody believes in the dubs?! Are u serious. The Cavs win 10 games in a row and then lose 2 to Toronto who nobody thinks is good and then the Cavs lose two straight by large numbers and nobody believes in the dubs? Are u serious? All the media goes off on lue, Lebron, I have to read your posts about Richard Jefferson who is a 15 year vet who actually has had a decent series. Nobody believes in the dubs?! Then your posts about how Lebron is basically a choke and to think twice before you bet on him? You weren't alone in this thinking yet the dubs are the ones who nobody beleives in?Then the Cavs win 3 of the next 4 and I'm supposed to believe that on the road, in a game 7 where home teams dominate and against a team that has never lost 3 in a row or for that fact 2 in a row at home, the dubs are the ones that nobody believes in? Listen, if you think the dubs win, fine but this is nonsense AGAIN. Your other post claims " dubs are going to win because they have to"? I mean what are we listening to? This series was supposed to be over in 5 is what you claimed. How many others thought that? 99% of this forum! I'm supposed to believe that nobody beleives in dubs? How convenient for a game 7 to CREATE this falsified bs. The dubs expeirence adversity in one, maybe two games of this series where the Cavs have heard the naysayers for 5 of the 6 and because curry and draymond can't control themselves and Kerr b@tches till the cows come home about the refs, I'm supposed to feel as if they are owed something here? You paint this picture that the dubs star players have paid their dues?! Are U serious? Curry wins two MVPs, they go out and win a championship and follow that up with a record breaking 73 game season, their coach sits out for half the season and this is a team that you think has overcome adversity? Maybe the franchise but when I think of adversity, I think of Cleveland and the drought. I think of love and Irving coming back this year for revenge. Then I think of Lebron who has heard the critics all series. Whether he screwed Cleveland with the decision or not, he laid over last year and gave it everything he had. Did he pay all of his dues for the Cleveland decision, no idea but at some point curry and co. need to realize that everything won't be handed to them here. What about lue who has heard it all this series and has YET to open his mouth like Kerr who doesn't think twice. Currys wife nails it right on the head when she opened her idiotic mouth. She is an extension of her husband and she knows damn well how things work. To gladly accept her endorsements and tv shows and for curry to blow up these last two years, how can they sit there and act so entitled. Lastly, to bring up the past like you do for the dubs, the past does not always predict the future. We've seen that with the pure cappers in here looking silly. It's a great indicator but like you've said, this series should have been done in 5 right? You didn't give the Cavs a chance to get back to this game 7 nor did the many in here. I mean you may have called a 7 game series but once down 3-1, you and the rest wrote the Cavs off. Dubs = underdogs? That is comical. The money may point that way but like the Super Bowl a few years ago when all the money was on Seattle to beat New England in the Super Bowl, sometimes things happen. Somethings the better team doesn't necessary win. Stats and history don't always tell the tale. Again, this isn't about who I think will win this series. It is about the fact thst in two of your posts, I have read nonsense. The dubs win because they have to? The dubs are the team that nobody beleives in? It's ludicrous. It seems as if you are trying to convince yourself that bulletin board material  will motivate this dubs team yet don't forget about the Cavs who are in the other locker room. They lost last year to the same team. Their city hasn't won jack in over a half century. Many of their players have been written off by the the media and yes, YOU. Adversity? Look at love, look at RJ, look at JR whose daughter will point out that this guy got kicked off a team in his past. He has come back on a doff the court and has done things right. The Cavs have received no credit whatsoever and the only way they get that is by winning a game 7 on the road doing what no other team has done in history. This game is on the road so the nobody believes in us bs stops there. Nobody beleives in us you say? How many people in here denounced Drays suspension and still thought the dubs would cover? Maybe not you but the majority did. Again, I saw the length of this post and thought there would be some good analysis yet all I found here again is nonsense and self-created persuasion for someone's favorite team. im sure your team of posters will come to your rescue like they always do and that's fine. I truly hope the Cavs can finish this thing off becuase then MAYBE some sense will start to settle for many in this forum. I'm sure even if they do though, we'll hear something that caters to the idea that the series wasn't played straight up. We all know it hasn't in this series so no surprise here. Enjoy the game and understand like you, I have my opinions. 

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    I'm sorry but again, the nbiu? Ok, that's creative and I know it's from Simmons but to think that the dubs fall into this category and not the Cavs is crazy. When I read this, I read this coming from a one sided dubs fan. You speak only about the dubs and the "adversity" that they have gone through yet what about the Cavs? Love gets hurt last year and is unable to play all throughout the playoffs. All the crap the media gave him and the falsified stories they painted to make the Cavs looks dysfunctional. It was ridiculous. If you believed that then I know you your stance on perception, then yikes. Then Irving hurts his knee and is unable to play as well. Lebron takes the team on his shoulders and he makes it a series. Warriors win. Then after that they go out and win 73?! Nobody believes in them? They have been the consensus favorite ALL YEAR and whether you want to admit it or not, they are NOT underdogs in this game. Maybe in your mind but not in theirs and that is what counts. Where are u getting this nonsense? Let me get this straight bro. Dubs come back down 1-3 and beat OKC and then after that nobody believes in the dubs?! Are u serious. The Cavs win 10 games in a row and then lose 2 to Toronto who nobody thinks is good and then the Cavs lose two straight by large numbers and nobody believes in the dubs? Are u serious? All the media goes off on lue, Lebron, I have to read your posts about Richard Jefferson who is a 15 year vet who actually has had a decent series. Nobody believes in the dubs?! Then your posts about how Lebron is basically a choke and to think twice before you bet on him? You weren't alone in this thinking yet the dubs are the ones who nobody beleives in?Then the Cavs win 3 of the next 4 and I'm supposed to believe that on the road, in a game 7 where home teams dominate and against a team that has never lost 3 in a row or for that fact 2 in a row at home, the dubs are the ones that nobody believes in? Listen, if you think the dubs win, fine but this is nonsense AGAIN. Your other post claims " dubs are going to win because they have to"? I mean what are we listening to? This series was supposed to be over in 5 is what you claimed. How many others thought that? 99% of this forum! I'm supposed to believe that nobody beleives in dubs? How convenient for a game 7 to CREATE this falsified bs. The dubs expeirence adversity in one, maybe two games of this series where the Cavs have heard the naysayers for 5 of the 6 and because curry and draymond can't control themselves and Kerr b@tches till the cows come home about the refs, I'm supposed to feel as if they are owed something here? You paint this picture that the dubs star players have paid their dues?! Are U serious? Curry wins two MVPs, they go out and win a championship and follow that up with a record breaking 73 game season, their coach sits out for half the season and this is a team that you think has overcome adversity? Maybe the franchise but when I think of adversity, I think of Cleveland and the drought. I think of love and Irving coming back this year for revenge. Then I think of Lebron who has heard the critics all series. Whether he screwed Cleveland with the decision or not, he laid over last year and gave it everything he had. Did he pay all of his dues for the Cleveland decision, no idea but at some point curry and co. need to realize that everything won't be handed to them here. What about lue who has heard it all this series and has YET to open his mouth like Kerr who doesn't think twice. Currys wife nails it right on the head when she opened her idiotic mouth. She is an extension of her husband and she knows damn well how things work. To gladly accept her endorsements and tv shows and for curry to blow up these last two years, how can they sit there and act so entitled. Lastly, to bring up the past like you do for the dubs, the past does not always predict the future. We've seen that with the pure cappers in here looking silly. It's a great indicator but like you've said, this series should have been done in 5 right? You didn't give the Cavs a chance to get back to this game 7 nor did the many in here. I mean you may have called a 7 game series but once down 3-1, you and the rest wrote the Cavs off. Dubs = underdogs? That is comical. The money may point that way but like the Super Bowl a few years ago when all the money was on Seattle to beat New England in the Super Bowl, sometimes things happen. Somethings the better team doesn't necessary win. Stats and history don't always tell the tale. Again, this isn't about who I think will win this series. It is about the fact thst in two of your posts, I have read nonsense. The dubs win because they have to? The dubs are the team that nobody beleives in? It's ludicrous. It seems as if you are trying to convince yourself that bulletin board material  will motivate this dubs team yet don't forget about the Cavs who are in the other locker room. They lost last year to the same team. Their city hasn't won jack in over a half century. Many of their players have been written off by the the media and yes, YOU. Adversity? Look at love, look at RJ, look at JR whose daughter will point out that this guy got kicked off a team in his past. He has come back on a doff the court and has done things right. The Cavs have received no credit whatsoever and the only way they get that is by winning a game 7 on the road doing what no other team has done in history. This game is on the road so the nobody believes in us bs stops there. Nobody beleives in us you say? How many people in here denounced Drays suspension and still thought the dubs would cover? Maybe not you but the majority did. Again, I saw the length of this post and thought there would be some good analysis yet all I found here again is nonsense and self-created persuasion for someone's favorite team. im sure your team of posters will come to your rescue like they always do and that's fine. I truly hope the Cavs can finish this thing off becuase then MAYBE some sense will start to settle for many in this forum. I'm sure even if they do though, we'll hear something that caters to the idea that the series wasn't played straight up. We all know it hasn't in this series so no surprise here. Enjoy the game and understand like you, I have my opinions. 

     
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    Great Stuff BB.
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    Great Stuff BB.
     
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    I always bought into the NBIU theory but never bought into your proposed 'shifting' of the theory within a series...until I saw how OKC/GS played out. Now Imma a believa
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    I always bought into the NBIU theory but never bought into your proposed 'shifting' of the theory within a series...until I saw how OKC/GS played out. Now Imma a believa
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeebooger:

    If Iggy was completely healthy then I agree.

    You can't say you feel confident with how Iggy looked on Thursday. That injury looked bad. 

    He couldn't even dunk the ball under the rim. Felt bad for the guy as he was trying real hard. Unless all of a sudden Ezelie and Rush can replace Bogut and Iggy respectively and effectively, the Warriors will not have an answer to Cavs offense and defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeebooger:

    If Iggy was completely healthy then I agree.

    You can't say you feel confident with how Iggy looked on Thursday. That injury looked bad. 

    He couldn't even dunk the ball under the rim. Felt bad for the guy as he was trying real hard. Unless all of a sudden Ezelie and Rush can replace Bogut and Iggy respectively and effectively, the Warriors will not have an answer to Cavs offense and defense.
     
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    As i read the original post, i felt like i needed to post until i scrolled down and read what ACHILLES1629 posted. My thoughts exactly, ACHILLES1629!
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    As i read the original post, i felt like i needed to post until i scrolled down and read what ACHILLES1629 posted. My thoughts exactly, ACHILLES1629!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:

    I'm sorry but again, the nbiu? Ok, that's creative and I know it's from Simmons but to think that the dubs fall into this category and not the Cavs is crazy. When I read this, I read this coming from a one sided dubs fan. You speak only about the dubs and the "adversity" that they have gone through yet what about the Cavs? Love gets hurt last year and is unable to play all throughout the playoffs. All the crap the media gave him and the falsified stories they painted to make the Cavs looks dysfunctional. It was ridiculous. If you believed that then I know you your stance on perception, then yikes. Then Irving hurts his knee and is unable to play as well. Lebron takes the team on his shoulders and he makes it a series. Warriors win. Then after that they go out and win 73?! Nobody believes in them? They have been the consensus favorite ALL YEAR and whether you want to admit it or not, they are NOT underdogs in this game. Maybe in your mind but not in theirs and that is what counts. Where are u getting this nonsense? Let me get this straight bro. Dubs come back down 1-3 and beat OKC and then after that nobody believes in the dubs?! Are u serious. The Cavs win 10 games in a row and then lose 2 to Toronto who nobody thinks is good and then the Cavs lose two straight by large numbers and nobody believes in the dubs? Are u serious? All the media goes off on lue, Lebron, I have to read your posts about Richard Jefferson who is a 15 year vet who actually has had a decent series. Nobody believes in the dubs?! Then your posts about how Lebron is basically a choke and to think twice before you bet on him? You weren't alone in this thinking yet the dubs are the ones who nobody beleives in?Then the Cavs win 3 of the next 4 and I'm supposed to believe that on the road, in a game 7 where home teams dominate and against a team that has never lost 3 in a row or for that fact 2 in a row at home, the dubs are the ones that nobody believes in? Listen, if you think the dubs win, fine but this is nonsense AGAIN. Your other post claims " dubs are going to win because they have to"? I mean what are we listening to? This series was supposed to be over in 5 is what you claimed. How many others thought that? 99% of this forum! I'm supposed to believe that nobody beleives in dubs? How convenient for a game 7 to CREATE this falsified bs. The dubs expeirence adversity in one, maybe two games of this series where the Cavs have heard the naysayers for 5 of the 6 and because curry and draymond can't control themselves and Kerr b@tches till the cows come home about the refs, I'm supposed to feel as if they are owed something here? You paint this picture that the dubs star players have paid their dues?! Are U serious? Curry wins two MVPs, they go out and win a championship and follow that up with a record breaking 73 game season, their coach sits out for half the season and this is a team that you think has overcome adversity? Maybe the franchise but when I think of adversity, I think of Cleveland and the drought. I think of love and Irving coming back this year for revenge. Then I think of Lebron who has heard the critics all series. Whether he screwed Cleveland with the decision or not, he laid over last year and gave it everything he had. Did he pay all of his dues for the Cleveland decision, no idea but at some point curry and co. need to realize that everything won't be handed to them here. What about lue who has heard it all this series and has YET to open his mouth like Kerr who doesn't think twice. Currys wife nails it right on the head when she opened her idiotic mouth. She is an extension of her husband and she knows damn well how things work. To gladly accept her endorsements and tv shows and for curry to blow up these last two years, how can they sit there and act so entitled. Lastly, to bring up the past like you do for the dubs, the past does not always predict the future. We've seen that with the pure cappers in here looking silly. It's a great indicator but like you've said, this series should have been done in 5 right? You didn't give the Cavs a chance to get back to this game 7 nor did the many in here. I mean you may have called a 7 game series but once down 3-1, you and the rest wrote the Cavs off. Dubs = underdogs? That is comical. The money may point that way but like the Super Bowl a few years ago when all the money was on Seattle to beat New England in the Super Bowl, sometimes things happen. Somethings the better team doesn't necessary win. Stats and history don't always tell the tale. Again, this isn't about who I think will win this series. It is about the fact thst in two of your posts, I have read nonsense. The dubs win because they have to? The dubs are the team that nobody beleives in? It's ludicrous. It seems as if you are trying to convince yourself that bulletin board material  will motivate this dubs team yet don't forget about the Cavs who are in the other locker room. They lost last year to the same team. Their city hasn't won jack in over a half century. Many of their players have been written off by the the media and yes, YOU. Adversity? Look at love, look at RJ, look at JR whose daughter will point out that this guy got kicked off a team in his past. He has come back on a doff the court and has done things right. The Cavs have received no credit whatsoever and the only way they get that is by winning a game 7 on the road doing what no other team has done in history. This game is on the road so the nobody believes in us bs stops there. Nobody beleives in us you say? How many people in here denounced Drays suspension and still thought the dubs would cover? Maybe not you but the majority did. Again, I saw the length of this post and thought there would be some good analysis yet all I found here again is nonsense and self-created persuasion for someone's favorite team. im sure your team of posters will come to your rescue like they always do and that's fine. I truly hope the Cavs can finish this thing off becuase then MAYBE some sense will start to settle for many in this forum. I'm sure even if they do though, we'll hear something that caters to the idea that the series wasn't played straight up. We all know it hasn't in this series so no surprise here. Enjoy the game and understand like you, I have my opinions. 


    BB, I'll save you the trouble.

    The main problem with this post can be summarized in a single sentence:

    You believe NIBU theory applies from YOUR perception, when it reality it applies to the Dubs perception of themselves ONLY.

    And if the the Dubs believe it, then who cares if they won 73, or what the Cavs suffered, or if they came back from 3-1 on OKC, or if the Cavs lost two to the Raptors?

    If the DUBS believe it, it provides them a psychological edge that can put them over the top, no matter how irrational you believe their belief to be (and in that regard it is irrational after winning 73, but that doesn't matter, since they don't know you or care to know your thoughts!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:

    I'm sorry but again, the nbiu? Ok, that's creative and I know it's from Simmons but to think that the dubs fall into this category and not the Cavs is crazy. When I read this, I read this coming from a one sided dubs fan. You speak only about the dubs and the "adversity" that they have gone through yet what about the Cavs? Love gets hurt last year and is unable to play all throughout the playoffs. All the crap the media gave him and the falsified stories they painted to make the Cavs looks dysfunctional. It was ridiculous. If you believed that then I know you your stance on perception, then yikes. Then Irving hurts his knee and is unable to play as well. Lebron takes the team on his shoulders and he makes it a series. Warriors win. Then after that they go out and win 73?! Nobody believes in them? They have been the consensus favorite ALL YEAR and whether you want to admit it or not, they are NOT underdogs in this game. Maybe in your mind but not in theirs and that is what counts. Where are u getting this nonsense? Let me get this straight bro. Dubs come back down 1-3 and beat OKC and then after that nobody believes in the dubs?! Are u serious. The Cavs win 10 games in a row and then lose 2 to Toronto who nobody thinks is good and then the Cavs lose two straight by large numbers and nobody believes in the dubs? Are u serious? All the media goes off on lue, Lebron, I have to read your posts about Richard Jefferson who is a 15 year vet who actually has had a decent series. Nobody believes in the dubs?! Then your posts about how Lebron is basically a choke and to think twice before you bet on him? You weren't alone in this thinking yet the dubs are the ones who nobody beleives in?Then the Cavs win 3 of the next 4 and I'm supposed to believe that on the road, in a game 7 where home teams dominate and against a team that has never lost 3 in a row or for that fact 2 in a row at home, the dubs are the ones that nobody believes in? Listen, if you think the dubs win, fine but this is nonsense AGAIN. Your other post claims " dubs are going to win because they have to"? I mean what are we listening to? This series was supposed to be over in 5 is what you claimed. How many others thought that? 99% of this forum! I'm supposed to believe that nobody beleives in dubs? How convenient for a game 7 to CREATE this falsified bs. The dubs expeirence adversity in one, maybe two games of this series where the Cavs have heard the naysayers for 5 of the 6 and because curry and draymond can't control themselves and Kerr b@tches till the cows come home about the refs, I'm supposed to feel as if they are owed something here? You paint this picture that the dubs star players have paid their dues?! Are U serious? Curry wins two MVPs, they go out and win a championship and follow that up with a record breaking 73 game season, their coach sits out for half the season and this is a team that you think has overcome adversity? Maybe the franchise but when I think of adversity, I think of Cleveland and the drought. I think of love and Irving coming back this year for revenge. Then I think of Lebron who has heard the critics all series. Whether he screwed Cleveland with the decision or not, he laid over last year and gave it everything he had. Did he pay all of his dues for the Cleveland decision, no idea but at some point curry and co. need to realize that everything won't be handed to them here. What about lue who has heard it all this series and has YET to open his mouth like Kerr who doesn't think twice. Currys wife nails it right on the head when she opened her idiotic mouth. She is an extension of her husband and she knows damn well how things work. To gladly accept her endorsements and tv shows and for curry to blow up these last two years, how can they sit there and act so entitled. Lastly, to bring up the past like you do for the dubs, the past does not always predict the future. We've seen that with the pure cappers in here looking silly. It's a great indicator but like you've said, this series should have been done in 5 right? You didn't give the Cavs a chance to get back to this game 7 nor did the many in here. I mean you may have called a 7 game series but once down 3-1, you and the rest wrote the Cavs off. Dubs = underdogs? That is comical. The money may point that way but like the Super Bowl a few years ago when all the money was on Seattle to beat New England in the Super Bowl, sometimes things happen. Somethings the better team doesn't necessary win. Stats and history don't always tell the tale. Again, this isn't about who I think will win this series. It is about the fact thst in two of your posts, I have read nonsense. The dubs win because they have to? The dubs are the team that nobody beleives in? It's ludicrous. It seems as if you are trying to convince yourself that bulletin board material  will motivate this dubs team yet don't forget about the Cavs who are in the other locker room. They lost last year to the same team. Their city hasn't won jack in over a half century. Many of their players have been written off by the the media and yes, YOU. Adversity? Look at love, look at RJ, look at JR whose daughter will point out that this guy got kicked off a team in his past. He has come back on a doff the court and has done things right. The Cavs have received no credit whatsoever and the only way they get that is by winning a game 7 on the road doing what no other team has done in history. This game is on the road so the nobody believes in us bs stops there. Nobody beleives in us you say? How many people in here denounced Drays suspension and still thought the dubs would cover? Maybe not you but the majority did. Again, I saw the length of this post and thought there would be some good analysis yet all I found here again is nonsense and self-created persuasion for someone's favorite team. im sure your team of posters will come to your rescue like they always do and that's fine. I truly hope the Cavs can finish this thing off becuase then MAYBE some sense will start to settle for many in this forum. I'm sure even if they do though, we'll hear something that caters to the idea that the series wasn't played straight up. We all know it hasn't in this series so no surprise here. Enjoy the game and understand like you, I have my opinions. 


    BB, I'll save you the trouble.

    The main problem with this post can be summarized in a single sentence:

    You believe NIBU theory applies from YOUR perception, when it reality it applies to the Dubs perception of themselves ONLY.

    And if the the Dubs believe it, then who cares if they won 73, or what the Cavs suffered, or if they came back from 3-1 on OKC, or if the Cavs lost two to the Raptors?

    If the DUBS believe it, it provides them a psychological edge that can put them over the top, no matter how irrational you believe their belief to be (and in that regard it is irrational after winning 73, but that doesn't matter, since they don't know you or care to know your thoughts!).
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 1:26 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    BB, I'll save you the trouble.

    The main problem with this post can be summarized in a single sentence:

    You believe NIBU theory applies from YOUR perception, when it reality it applies to the Dubs perception of themselves ONLY.

    And if the the Dubs believe it, then who cares if they won 73, or what the Cavs suffered, or if they came back from 3-1 on OKC, or if the Cavs lost two to the Raptors?

    If the DUBS believe it, it provides them a psychological edge that can put them over the top, no matter how irrational you believe their belief to be (and in that regard it is irrational after winning 73, but that doesn't matter, since they don't know you or care to know your thoughts!).

    Exactly.

    Thank you, Scal, for saving me the trouble. Some people just read what they want to read and/or miss the subtleties of the argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    BB, I'll save you the trouble.

    The main problem with this post can be summarized in a single sentence:

    You believe NIBU theory applies from YOUR perception, when it reality it applies to the Dubs perception of themselves ONLY.

    And if the the Dubs believe it, then who cares if they won 73, or what the Cavs suffered, or if they came back from 3-1 on OKC, or if the Cavs lost two to the Raptors?

    If the DUBS believe it, it provides them a psychological edge that can put them over the top, no matter how irrational you believe their belief to be (and in that regard it is irrational after winning 73, but that doesn't matter, since they don't know you or care to know your thoughts!).

    Exactly.

    Thank you, Scal, for saving me the trouble. Some people just read what they want to read and/or miss the subtleties of the argument.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 2:12 PM ET #17

    I can say the cavs believe the same thing that nobody believes in them. Now what are we talking about here? It doesn't mean one team has  to win over the other based off of who believes in them or the chip they've created on their shoulders. Bulletin board material, falsified bs? Your post did nothing for me but thanks. Enjoy the game guys
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    I can say the cavs believe the same thing that nobody believes in them. Now what are we talking about here? It doesn't mean one team has  to win over the other based off of who believes in them or the chip they've created on their shoulders. Bulletin board material, falsified bs? Your post did nothing for me but thanks. Enjoy the game guys
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 5:55 PM ET #18

    His post is attempting to quantify the allegedly unquantifiable, Achilles. 

    That is why you have angles in capping, that is, to find an edge. NBIU is one such angle.

    That is why LC searches for trends, however relevant or otherwise, to find an angle.

    This is looking for an edge when the line offers none. This is capping.

    It may have not done a great deal for you but I read BB consistently and from Game ONE of this season he has said that the Dubs were looking to prove, even with a championship, that last year was no fluke since they were deemed to be "lucky" in last year's finals (because of injuries), and since they avoided the Clippers with the Rockets comeback, and since they avoided the Spurs altogether.

    And 73 wins tells me he is more than correct with that angle. Now there is one more more game for the NBIU angle to come full circle. He didn't say it but this is a SEASON long angle, not just a one game angle or a series angle. It's quite powerful given their unprecedented success thus far. The proof is in the pudding.
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    His post is attempting to quantify the allegedly unquantifiable, Achilles. 

    That is why you have angles in capping, that is, to find an edge. NBIU is one such angle.

    That is why LC searches for trends, however relevant or otherwise, to find an angle.

    This is looking for an edge when the line offers none. This is capping.

    It may have not done a great deal for you but I read BB consistently and from Game ONE of this season he has said that the Dubs were looking to prove, even with a championship, that last year was no fluke since they were deemed to be "lucky" in last year's finals (because of injuries), and since they avoided the Clippers with the Rockets comeback, and since they avoided the Spurs altogether.

    And 73 wins tells me he is more than correct with that angle. Now there is one more more game for the NBIU angle to come full circle. He didn't say it but this is a SEASON long angle, not just a one game angle or a series angle. It's quite powerful given their unprecedented success thus far. The proof is in the pudding.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 6:41 PM ET #19

    Ive noticed the people who played GS in game 5, chased them to game 6...and now the people who liked GS game 6 are playing them game 7

    I knew this would happen. Books knew this would happen. I mean what gambler would think dubs would continue to lose, when its never happened in history

    Vegas is going to get super rich and double up after cavs win sunday

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    Ive noticed the people who played GS in game 5, chased them to game 6...and now the people who liked GS game 6 are playing them game 7

    I knew this would happen. Books knew this would happen. I mean what gambler would think dubs would continue to lose, when its never happened in history

    Vegas is going to get super rich and double up after cavs win sunday

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 6:44 PM ET #20

    Scal, I consider you an elite capper...

    Who do you like in game 7?

    I am going to guess Dubs for the simple fact that they've lost 2 straight and you wont count on them to have ANOTHER bad shooting quarter while at the same time LeBron and Kyrie continue to combine for 80....lol

    I see an OT in this game if you guys wanna try the prop. Its got value don't ya think? Every game has been a blowout almost but this is finally going to be the close game of the series...

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    Scal, I consider you an elite capper...

    Who do you like in game 7?

    I am going to guess Dubs for the simple fact that they've lost 2 straight and you wont count on them to have ANOTHER bad shooting quarter while at the same time LeBron and Kyrie continue to combine for 80....lol

    I see an OT in this game if you guys wanna try the prop. Its got value don't ya think? Every game has been a blowout almost but this is finally going to be the close game of the series...

     
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    And because you liked dubs game 6.

    I'm just trying to prove a point here that most of the world is gong to take dubs. Only people on cavs are the people who think its' rigged, mainly.

    Which is about 60% but these people don't tend to bet as much

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    And because you liked dubs game 6.

    I'm just trying to prove a point here that most of the world is gong to take dubs. Only people on cavs are the people who think its' rigged, mainly.

    Which is about 60% but these people don't tend to bet as much

     
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    And I've predicted 2 close games already and I was wrong both times

    I'm predicting it again , and this time will be 3x a charm

    I don't see me being wrong 3x in a row

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    And I've predicted 2 close games already and I was wrong both times

    I'm predicting it again , and this time will be 3x a charm

    I don't see me being wrong 3x in a row

     
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    Just came up with a saying

    "You whack the same spot over and over again, eventually you'll get a mole"

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    Just came up with a saying

    "You whack the same spot over and over again, eventually you'll get a mole"

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    His post is attempting to quantify the allegedly unquantifiable, Achilles. 

    That is why you have angles in capping, that is, to find an edge. NBIU is one such angle.

    That is why LC searches for trends, however relevant or otherwise, to find an angle.

    This is looking for an edge when the line offers none. This is capping.

    It may have not done a great deal for you but I read BB consistently and from Game ONE of this season he has said that the Dubs were looking to prove, even with a championship, that last year was no fluke since they were deemed to be "lucky" in last year's finals (because of injuries), and since they avoided the Clippers with the Rockets comeback, and since they avoided the Spurs altogether.

    And 73 wins tells me he is more than correct with that angle. Now there is one more more game for the NBIU angle to come full circle. He didn't say it but this is a SEASON long angle, not just a one game angle or a series angle. It's quite powerful given their unprecedented success thus far. The proof is in the pudding.

    Beautifully put, Scal. And I'll add this to Achilles' heel (i.e., his intellectual blindspot), anyone with the anointed with the nickname "King," and still playing close to his prime, can't be a NBIU player or be on a NBIU team, though there are always exceptions (last year's injury riddled Cavs being one of those) but certainly not this year's Cavs, with two number one draft picks starting for them and one of the biggest payrolls in the NBA, and not with this series now evened up).
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    His post is attempting to quantify the allegedly unquantifiable, Achilles. 

    That is why you have angles in capping, that is, to find an edge. NBIU is one such angle.

    That is why LC searches for trends, however relevant or otherwise, to find an angle.

    This is looking for an edge when the line offers none. This is capping.

    It may have not done a great deal for you but I read BB consistently and from Game ONE of this season he has said that the Dubs were looking to prove, even with a championship, that last year was no fluke since they were deemed to be "lucky" in last year's finals (because of injuries), and since they avoided the Clippers with the Rockets comeback, and since they avoided the Spurs altogether.

    And 73 wins tells me he is more than correct with that angle. Now there is one more more game for the NBIU angle to come full circle. He didn't say it but this is a SEASON long angle, not just a one game angle or a series angle. It's quite powerful given their unprecedented success thus far. The proof is in the pudding.

    Beautifully put, Scal. And I'll add this to Achilles' heel (i.e., his intellectual blindspot), anyone with the anointed with the nickname "King," and still playing close to his prime, can't be a NBIU player or be on a NBIU team, though there are always exceptions (last year's injury riddled Cavs being one of those) but certainly not this year's Cavs, with two number one draft picks starting for them and one of the biggest payrolls in the NBA, and not with this series now evened up).
     
     
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    Look for my post tomorrow buddy. I'm exhausted with this nonsense. You two lovebirds enjoy the game tomorrow. It will be the NBIU vs the WMWATFC (We Must Win A Title For Cleveland). It's a 54 year long angle scal. Does that qualify for your quantifiable angle? What in the f%ck did I just read today? 
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    Look for my post tomorrow buddy. I'm exhausted with this nonsense. You two lovebirds enjoy the game tomorrow. It will be the NBIU vs the WMWATFC (We Must Win A Title For Cleveland). It's a 54 year long angle scal. Does that qualify for your quantifiable angle? What in the f%ck did I just read today? 
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