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    brewers7
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 3:52 AM ET #1

    Random thoughts after 5 weeks:

    35 days down, 135 to go in the regular season...

    Western Conference is the dominant conference????

    The East is now 16 games over .500, which means they are 8 games better than the West so far this season...Been quite a while since this has happened after the recent domination by the Western Conference...

    "Tired legs mean Unders"????

    Ok, I have to clear something up that newbies or even folks who think they know something about NBA handicapping are saying on forums that I look at...I have no posters in mind, as many people blend together as I randomly read through threads one or two days a week at various forums, but I am tired of seeing this and I need to educate the masses here...

    I keep reading about "tired legs" and the insinuation is, this will slow down the scoring, meaing the game will go Under...

    Ok, how many of you actually play basketball?...

    I have played basketball a lot and still play full-court games once a week on Sunday nights, and I can tell you, unequivocally, from experience, that, in the sport of basketball, when players have "tired legs", it is harder, MUCH harder to play defense than it is to play offense...

    People who have played competitive basketball should back me up on this one...

    It is much harder to guard good post-up players when you are tired, it is much harder to rebound and box-out players when you are tired...MUCH harder...

    And I can also tell you, that, from experience, it doesn't effect your offense hardly at all, especially with fast-breaks -- lay-ups and dunks -- or spot-up shooting...Ok, I never could dunk a basketball, tennis ball, yes, but if I could dunk a basketball, being "tired" would not effect my ability to do so...Tired legs can have an effect on some jump-shooters late in games (outside of 15 to 18 feet) because they obviously use their legs to jump as they shoot at the apex of their jump, unlike spot-shooters (like Larry Bird, for example, who would get maybe 3 or 4 inches off the ground)...

    I remember when we had daily microphone chats (in chat rooms) with many handicappers at an old forum called ThinkDog, and I pointed this out during a microphone chat, and the founder and owner of that forum told me years later that that is the one thing that he remembered the most out of the hundreds of daily chats we had...

    Remember that folks..."Tired legs" effects the defense more than it effects the offense...

    Are we clear?...

    Now if we take this information into the handicapping world, does this mean that we take the Over every time some team has "tired legs" and we all become millionaires in a season or two?...

    Of course not...

    But, point of fact, in all NBA games this season where a team was playing their 4th game in 5 nights, those games are 11-3 to the Over...

    GS at NY had a 263 last SAT at MSG with GS playing their 4th game in 5 nights...Did anybody watch that game?...Did you see the matador "defense" being played by "tired legs" GS in that one?...How many lay-ups and dunks did the Knicks have?...And Golden State's offense was NOT effected, even without Stephen Jackson, as they still scored 125 with "tired legs"...

    Am I getting through to some people yet??...

    So the general rule of thumb should be:

    "tired legs" = Overs

    Now this doesn't guarantee anything...You STILL have to look at the situational spots before making determinations on playing the "automatic" Over in this spot...But you should make the Over in the 4th game in 5 nights the "default" pick until you see evidence that points you to the Under before "officially" making your selection...Just remember that there are teams who will play Unders consistently in this spot...It's a matter of styles and opponents...

    Personal notes

    Despite a super-slow start for me this season (and I have had many seasons that started out just like this, just not since 2003-04 though), I am only less than 1 unit down...That's it...It feels like I am 10 units down, really...But despite a horrible bad beat last SAT (a 2-unit swing against me), I am less than 1 unit down on the season, with LOTS of time left...

    Now with that said, I need to constructively criticize myself while patting myself on the back a little...I'll pat myself on the back for being conservative as I muddled through these first 5 weeks...But I also must criticize myself severely ALSO for being too conservative at times...I have had enough stone cold winners these first 5 weeks where the bet should have been raised to Level 2 or there were certain "no bets" made...

    I was successful a few years back betting what I thought were stone Overs by betting them Over in the 1Q, 1H and for the game...Now I didn't do it at all last year as my time was severely limited, so maybe that made me a bit gun-shy this year, as I have not done it yet...Not even once...Almost did it with the GS/NY Over, but STILL chickened out and skipped the 1H Over...

    GUTLESS...

    I had that game circled 5 days in advance...No balls...

    I have not lost a 1Q bet yet this season (all 1Q Overs)...Had I bet all of those games Over in the 1H and Game, also, and there were a couple of others where I bet only the Game and skipped the 1Q and 1H, I would be an additional 15-2 on the season...Like Monday night, I was ready to bet the game total Over, but saw it jump 3 points and just skipped it because I was p*ssed at losing some value...Well, like 3 points makes a difference in most GS totals...Again, STUPID...

    Hopefully I will make better betting decisions in the weeks to come...

    But I may start looking at 1Q and 1H bets a lot more in upcoming weeks...Just as many trends and patterns in those 2 categories as there are for the game lines...

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    Random thoughts after 5 weeks:

    35 days down, 135 to go in the regular season...

    Western Conference is the dominant conference????

    The East is now 16 games over .500, which means they are 8 games better than the West so far this season...Been quite a while since this has happened after the recent domination by the Western Conference...

    "Tired legs mean Unders"????

    Ok, I have to clear something up that newbies or even folks who think they know something about NBA handicapping are saying on forums that I look at...I have no posters in mind, as many people blend together as I randomly read through threads one or two days a week at various forums, but I am tired of seeing this and I need to educate the masses here...

    I keep reading about "tired legs" and the insinuation is, this will slow down the scoring, meaing the game will go Under...

    Ok, how many of you actually play basketball?...

    I have played basketball a lot and still play full-court games once a week on Sunday nights, and I can tell you, unequivocally, from experience, that, in the sport of basketball, when players have "tired legs", it is harder, MUCH harder to play defense than it is to play offense...

    People who have played competitive basketball should back me up on this one...

    It is much harder to guard good post-up players when you are tired, it is much harder to rebound and box-out players when you are tired...MUCH harder...

    And I can also tell you, that, from experience, it doesn't effect your offense hardly at all, especially with fast-breaks -- lay-ups and dunks -- or spot-up shooting...Ok, I never could dunk a basketball, tennis ball, yes, but if I could dunk a basketball, being "tired" would not effect my ability to do so...Tired legs can have an effect on some jump-shooters late in games (outside of 15 to 18 feet) because they obviously use their legs to jump as they shoot at the apex of their jump, unlike spot-shooters (like Larry Bird, for example, who would get maybe 3 or 4 inches off the ground)...

    I remember when we had daily microphone chats (in chat rooms) with many handicappers at an old forum called ThinkDog, and I pointed this out during a microphone chat, and the founder and owner of that forum told me years later that that is the one thing that he remembered the most out of the hundreds of daily chats we had...

    Remember that folks..."Tired legs" effects the defense more than it effects the offense...

    Are we clear?...

    Now if we take this information into the handicapping world, does this mean that we take the Over every time some team has "tired legs" and we all become millionaires in a season or two?...

    Of course not...

    But, point of fact, in all NBA games this season where a team was playing their 4th game in 5 nights, those games are 11-3 to the Over...

    GS at NY had a 263 last SAT at MSG with GS playing their 4th game in 5 nights...Did anybody watch that game?...Did you see the matador "defense" being played by "tired legs" GS in that one?...How many lay-ups and dunks did the Knicks have?...And Golden State's offense was NOT effected, even without Stephen Jackson, as they still scored 125 with "tired legs"...

    Am I getting through to some people yet??...

    So the general rule of thumb should be:

    "tired legs" = Overs

    Now this doesn't guarantee anything...You STILL have to look at the situational spots before making determinations on playing the "automatic" Over in this spot...But you should make the Over in the 4th game in 5 nights the "default" pick until you see evidence that points you to the Under before "officially" making your selection...Just remember that there are teams who will play Unders consistently in this spot...It's a matter of styles and opponents...

    Personal notes

    Despite a super-slow start for me this season (and I have had many seasons that started out just like this, just not since 2003-04 though), I am only less than 1 unit down...That's it...It feels like I am 10 units down, really...But despite a horrible bad beat last SAT (a 2-unit swing against me), I am less than 1 unit down on the season, with LOTS of time left...

    Now with that said, I need to constructively criticize myself while patting myself on the back a little...I'll pat myself on the back for being conservative as I muddled through these first 5 weeks...But I also must criticize myself severely ALSO for being too conservative at times...I have had enough stone cold winners these first 5 weeks where the bet should have been raised to Level 2 or there were certain "no bets" made...

    I was successful a few years back betting what I thought were stone Overs by betting them Over in the 1Q, 1H and for the game...Now I didn't do it at all last year as my time was severely limited, so maybe that made me a bit gun-shy this year, as I have not done it yet...Not even once...Almost did it with the GS/NY Over, but STILL chickened out and skipped the 1H Over...

    GUTLESS...

    I had that game circled 5 days in advance...No balls...

    I have not lost a 1Q bet yet this season (all 1Q Overs)...Had I bet all of those games Over in the 1H and Game, also, and there were a couple of others where I bet only the Game and skipped the 1Q and 1H, I would be an additional 15-2 on the season...Like Monday night, I was ready to bet the game total Over, but saw it jump 3 points and just skipped it because I was p*ssed at losing some value...Well, like 3 points makes a difference in most GS totals...Again, STUPID...

    Hopefully I will make better betting decisions in the weeks to come...

    But I may start looking at 1Q and 1H bets a lot more in upcoming weeks...Just as many trends and patterns in those 2 categories as there are for the game lines...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 3:52 AM ET #2

    Tuesday's action

    Remember all those Unders the first week or so of the season?...Well, the Overs have arrived and Vegas totals are climbing higher and higher on a daily basis...

    At first blush, one might think that this Lakers game will fly over any total with the way the Lakers have scored their last 4 games, going Over the total every time and by a good margin most of those games...But this game is at Indy and the Lake-show is 4-1 to the Under on the Road...212.5?...Eeech, that's a lot...

    How good is Portland?...Took care of the Pistons with ease on Sunday, AT Detroit...Good enough to be Road chalk of 6.5 though?...Normally I'd say no way, but this is the Knicks, and anything is possible here, cripes, PORT could cover 11.5, I suppose...211.5 here...Only twice this season has PORT gone Over this number, at GS (217) and at SAC (213)...PORT 4 Unders and a Push their last 5...

    Ok, the Nets have won 5 of 6 and 7 of 9 (and NOT against slouches) and are only 5.5 chalk at Home against the Wizards??...What?...Why?...Ok, WASH has covered 4 of the last 6 h2h, so maybe that explains it, but NJ has won 8 of the last 9 h2h here...NJ played the Lakers tough for the 1H, then lost, but then went to SAC-town the next night and won, then won at Utah (ok they're injury depleted and they caught the Jazz on a back-ender, but still) and then the next night, PHOE was rested and off an embarrassing loss and a "tired" NJ outscored the Suns 43-24 in the 4Q to win by 8...The Wizards stink...Winless on the Road and 2-4 ATS on the Road...Hmmmm, this makes no sense...Is Vegas giving us a free winner here?...Well, hot damn, I believe they are...Take the Wizards to the bank...Free winner, courtesy of Vegas...Thank you...

    Clips/Dallas, no line...Both teams playing better after bad starts...Clips actually 4-2 ATS on the closing line after that 1-9 ATS start...

    The Sixers have been disgraceful thus far...Disgraceful...High expectations as I saw one magazine rate them as the third or fourth best team in the East before the season started...Try 11th best right now at 7-10...Home and Home here and I generally like these revenge spots in some instances, and this is one instance where I like Philly to win outright...Will I bet them...Hmmmm, that's a tough one...Vegas has been on the button with Philly totals as there have been 3 pushes in the last 4 Philly games on the total...That may be unprecedented...CHI has been an Under team at Home and Philly hasn't gone Under their last 6 overall...

    Det/SA almost an automatic play on the Under...Total has already dropped 3 points after it opened at 186...I am already p*ssed at myself for losing value...9 of the last 11 h2h in the regular season have gone Under...Largest Vegas total on the closing line for any of these games was 183.5...With the exception of a 211, the other 10 games out of those 11 ALL stayed under 180...

    no line Tor/Den...Nuggets suddenly Over 5 in a row...Last 2 times these teams played h2h at DEN, they flew Over with a 242 & 226...I will investigate a possible 1Q Over play here once the line is out...

    no line Utah/Sac...Revenge spot for SAC as Utah just killed them 4 days ago at Utah by 26...Last 6 h2h have all gone Over...
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    Tuesday's action

    Remember all those Unders the first week or so of the season?...Well, the Overs have arrived and Vegas totals are climbing higher and higher on a daily basis...

    At first blush, one might think that this Lakers game will fly over any total with the way the Lakers have scored their last 4 games, going Over the total every time and by a good margin most of those games...But this game is at Indy and the Lake-show is 4-1 to the Under on the Road...212.5?...Eeech, that's a lot...

    How good is Portland?...Took care of the Pistons with ease on Sunday, AT Detroit...Good enough to be Road chalk of 6.5 though?...Normally I'd say no way, but this is the Knicks, and anything is possible here, cripes, PORT could cover 11.5, I suppose...211.5 here...Only twice this season has PORT gone Over this number, at GS (217) and at SAC (213)...PORT 4 Unders and a Push their last 5...

    Ok, the Nets have won 5 of 6 and 7 of 9 (and NOT against slouches) and are only 5.5 chalk at Home against the Wizards??...What?...Why?...Ok, WASH has covered 4 of the last 6 h2h, so maybe that explains it, but NJ has won 8 of the last 9 h2h here...NJ played the Lakers tough for the 1H, then lost, but then went to SAC-town the next night and won, then won at Utah (ok they're injury depleted and they caught the Jazz on a back-ender, but still) and then the next night, PHOE was rested and off an embarrassing loss and a "tired" NJ outscored the Suns 43-24 in the 4Q to win by 8...The Wizards stink...Winless on the Road and 2-4 ATS on the Road...Hmmmm, this makes no sense...Is Vegas giving us a free winner here?...Well, hot damn, I believe they are...Take the Wizards to the bank...Free winner, courtesy of Vegas...Thank you...

    Clips/Dallas, no line...Both teams playing better after bad starts...Clips actually 4-2 ATS on the closing line after that 1-9 ATS start...

    The Sixers have been disgraceful thus far...Disgraceful...High expectations as I saw one magazine rate them as the third or fourth best team in the East before the season started...Try 11th best right now at 7-10...Home and Home here and I generally like these revenge spots in some instances, and this is one instance where I like Philly to win outright...Will I bet them...Hmmmm, that's a tough one...Vegas has been on the button with Philly totals as there have been 3 pushes in the last 4 Philly games on the total...That may be unprecedented...CHI has been an Under team at Home and Philly hasn't gone Under their last 6 overall...

    Det/SA almost an automatic play on the Under...Total has already dropped 3 points after it opened at 186...I am already p*ssed at myself for losing value...9 of the last 11 h2h in the regular season have gone Under...Largest Vegas total on the closing line for any of these games was 183.5...With the exception of a 211, the other 10 games out of those 11 ALL stayed under 180...

    no line Tor/Den...Nuggets suddenly Over 5 in a row...Last 2 times these teams played h2h at DEN, they flew Over with a 242 & 226...I will investigate a possible 1Q Over play here once the line is out...

    no line Utah/Sac...Revenge spot for SAC as Utah just killed them 4 days ago at Utah by 26...Last 6 h2h have all gone Over...
     
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    Ok, the Nets have won 5 of 6 and 7 of 9 (and NOT against slouches) and are only 5.5 chalk at Home against the Wizards??...What?...Why?...Ok, WASH has covered 4 of the last 6 h2h, so maybe that explains it, but NJ has won 8 of the last 9 h2h here...NJ played the Lakers tough for the 1H, then lost, but then went to SAC-town the next night and won, then won at Utah (ok they're injury depleted and they caught the Jazz on a back-ender, but still) and then the next night, PHOE was rested and off an embarrassing loss and a "tired" NJ outscored the Suns 43-24 in the 4Q to win by 8...The Wizards stink...Winless on the Road and 2-4 ATS on the Road...Hmmmm, this makes no sense...Is Vegas giving us a free winner here?...Well, hot damn, I believe they are...Take the Wizards to the bank...Free winner, courtesy of Vegas...Thank you...

    hello!
    You mean Nets to the bank right? I think you sarcastacly wrote wizzard.am I wrong?
    very good points here with tired legs brewers7! thanks for this - I agree with you 100%! very good post!
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    Ok, the Nets have won 5 of 6 and 7 of 9 (and NOT against slouches) and are only 5.5 chalk at Home against the Wizards??...What?...Why?...Ok, WASH has covered 4 of the last 6 h2h, so maybe that explains it, but NJ has won 8 of the last 9 h2h here...NJ played the Lakers tough for the 1H, then lost, but then went to SAC-town the next night and won, then won at Utah (ok they're injury depleted and they caught the Jazz on a back-ender, but still) and then the next night, PHOE was rested and off an embarrassing loss and a "tired" NJ outscored the Suns 43-24 in the 4Q to win by 8...The Wizards stink...Winless on the Road and 2-4 ATS on the Road...Hmmmm, this makes no sense...Is Vegas giving us a free winner here?...Well, hot damn, I believe they are...Take the Wizards to the bank...Free winner, courtesy of Vegas...Thank you...

    hello!
    You mean Nets to the bank right? I think you sarcastacly wrote wizzard.am I wrong?
    very good points here with tired legs brewers7! thanks for this - I agree with you 100%! very good post!
    best of luck in future!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 5:26 AM ET #4

    Great post
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    Quote Originally Posted by butros:

    Ok, the Nets have won 5 of 6 and 7 of 9 (and NOT against slouches) and are only 5.5 chalk at Home against the Wizards??...What?...Why?...Ok, WASH has covered 4 of the last 6 h2h, so maybe that explains it, but NJ has won 8 of the last 9 h2h here...NJ played the Lakers tough for the 1H, then lost, but then went to SAC-town the next night and won, then won at Utah (ok they're injury depleted and they caught the Jazz on a back-ender, but still) and then the next night, PHOE was rested and off an embarrassing loss and a "tired" NJ outscored the Suns 43-24 in the 4Q to win by 8...The Wizards stink...Winless on the Road and 2-4 ATS on the Road...Hmmmm, this makes no sense...Is Vegas giving us a free winner here?...Well, hot damn, I believe they are...Take the Wizards to the bank...Free winner, courtesy of Vegas...Thank you...

    hello!
    You mean Nets to the bank right? I think you sarcastacly wrote wizzard.am I wrong?
    very good points here with tired legs brewers7! thanks for this - I agree with you 100%! very good post!
    best of luck in future!

    No...I mean Wizards are the free winner...

    It makes no sense for NJ to only open at 5.5 against the horrible Wizards after this NJ stretch of wins against good teams...

    So that means Vegas is telling us the Wizards are the play here...Have seen it a thousand times over the last 2 decades plus...Doesn't win all the time, but wins more than it loses...

    Wizards are the play...The line will keep going up, I am sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by butros:

    Ok, the Nets have won 5 of 6 and 7 of 9 (and NOT against slouches) and are only 5.5 chalk at Home against the Wizards??...What?...Why?...Ok, WASH has covered 4 of the last 6 h2h, so maybe that explains it, but NJ has won 8 of the last 9 h2h here...NJ played the Lakers tough for the 1H, then lost, but then went to SAC-town the next night and won, then won at Utah (ok they're injury depleted and they caught the Jazz on a back-ender, but still) and then the next night, PHOE was rested and off an embarrassing loss and a "tired" NJ outscored the Suns 43-24 in the 4Q to win by 8...The Wizards stink...Winless on the Road and 2-4 ATS on the Road...Hmmmm, this makes no sense...Is Vegas giving us a free winner here?...Well, hot damn, I believe they are...Take the Wizards to the bank...Free winner, courtesy of Vegas...Thank you...

    hello!
    You mean Nets to the bank right? I think you sarcastacly wrote wizzard.am I wrong?
    very good points here with tired legs brewers7! thanks for this - I agree with you 100%! very good post!
    best of luck in future!

    No...I mean Wizards are the free winner...

    It makes no sense for NJ to only open at 5.5 against the horrible Wizards after this NJ stretch of wins against good teams...

    So that means Vegas is telling us the Wizards are the play here...Have seen it a thousand times over the last 2 decades plus...Doesn't win all the time, but wins more than it loses...

    Wizards are the play...The line will keep going up, I am sure...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 2:35 PM ET #6

    I'm playing the play ,   I look forward to your posts every day . I know it a lot of work but keep'em coming.
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    I'm playing the play ,   I look forward to your posts every day . I know it a lot of work but keep'em coming.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 4:06 PM ET #7

    Nj back from  4 road games OUT WEST last play Sunday...
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    Pride and Poise...Commitment to Excellence...Striving towards handicapping perfection...
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    Preseason bets: 5-1, +$395 (flat-bet for $100) | All picks: 62-41-2 | #1 picks: 12-7
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    Level 3 bets (starting BR = 10K) -- Record: 0-0
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    Sides: 118-131-5
    #1 picks: 18-17

    Totals: 136-114-3
    #1 picks: 15-20
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    Day 36:

    A couple of games tonight to gauge where I am at with NBA sides...Have lost 5 straight #1 sides, but last night, if I knew Jackson was playing for GS, that pick would have changed...Regardless, I wasn't betting it...I feel compelled to bet Philly and Washington...I am not really in love with either play, but I am going to take them both anyway, just on principle...We'll see how it turns out...I am looking at a few totals and I am going to look at a few 1Q possibilities and see if there is anything worth taking there...


    Sides:

    #1 Was +6.5
    #2 Phi +2
    #3 Det +5
    #4 Den -5
    #5 NY +7.5
    #6 Sac +1.5
    #7 Ind +9
    #8 LAC +11

    Totals:

    #1 Det un 185
    #2 Den ov 206.5
    #3 Sac ov 209
    #4 Ind un 213
    #5 LAC ov 198
    #6 Was un 205.5
    #7 Phi un 194.5
    #8 NY un 212

    BET:

    Level 1 -- Philadelphia 76ers Pick (+121 -- MatchBook), laying $200 to win $242 -- Back-end of a home-and-home where Chicago already beat the 76ers in Philly...The Sixers have lost 4 in a row...I always like playing the team that lost the front-end of a home-and-home between fairly evenly-matched teams...Philly had one horrible quarter in that home loss last time out, being outscored 31-11...CHI shot 10-for-16 in that 3Q from the field and 8-for-11 from the FT line, while Philly shot 4-for-19 in that 3Q...

    Level 1 -- Washington Wizards +6.5, laying $250 to win $255 -- New Jersey just off a very successful road trip, winning their final 3 games...They have won 7 of their last 9 against ATL (twice), TOR, LAC, SAC, UTAH & PHOE...Only 2 losses to CLE & LAL...This line opened at 5.5, which is too low, IMO, which "tells me something" as to what Vegas thinks here...They apparently want action on NJ and are getting it...I'll take the Wiz as they are catching NJ in their 1st Home game after a road trip and WAS has 2 days rest for this one...

    GL...

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    Sides: 118-131-5
    #1 picks: 18-17

    Totals: 136-114-3
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    Day 36:

    A couple of games tonight to gauge where I am at with NBA sides...Have lost 5 straight #1 sides, but last night, if I knew Jackson was playing for GS, that pick would have changed...Regardless, I wasn't betting it...I feel compelled to bet Philly and Washington...I am not really in love with either play, but I am going to take them both anyway, just on principle...We'll see how it turns out...I am looking at a few totals and I am going to look at a few 1Q possibilities and see if there is anything worth taking there...


    Sides:

    #1 Was +6.5
    #2 Phi +2
    #3 Det +5
    #4 Den -5
    #5 NY +7.5
    #6 Sac +1.5
    #7 Ind +9
    #8 LAC +11

    Totals:

    #1 Det un 185
    #2 Den ov 206.5
    #3 Sac ov 209
    #4 Ind un 213
    #5 LAC ov 198
    #6 Was un 205.5
    #7 Phi un 194.5
    #8 NY un 212

    BET:

    Level 1 -- Philadelphia 76ers Pick (+121 -- MatchBook), laying $200 to win $242 -- Back-end of a home-and-home where Chicago already beat the 76ers in Philly...The Sixers have lost 4 in a row...I always like playing the team that lost the front-end of a home-and-home between fairly evenly-matched teams...Philly had one horrible quarter in that home loss last time out, being outscored 31-11...CHI shot 10-for-16 in that 3Q from the field and 8-for-11 from the FT line, while Philly shot 4-for-19 in that 3Q...

    Level 1 -- Washington Wizards +6.5, laying $250 to win $255 -- New Jersey just off a very successful road trip, winning their final 3 games...They have won 7 of their last 9 against ATL (twice), TOR, LAC, SAC, UTAH & PHOE...Only 2 losses to CLE & LAL...This line opened at 5.5, which is too low, IMO, which "tells me something" as to what Vegas thinks here...They apparently want action on NJ and are getting it...I'll take the Wiz as they are catching NJ in their 1st Home game after a road trip and WAS has 2 days rest for this one...

    GL...

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    Good stuff...
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    you know something buddy, in a semi-selfish kind of way, i am glad that you are about even for the year because i believe that the law of averages always prevail. 
     
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    you know something buddy, in a semi-selfish kind of way, i am glad that you are about even for the year because i believe that the law of averages always prevail. 
     
    the story of my life-- i am always too early or too late, but i think i found you just in time. 
     
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    On both
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    Solid picks today Brew!  Hopefully Philly can score some points in the 2nd half.  Keep up the great work! 
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    Solid picks today Brew!  Hopefully Philly can score some points in the 2nd half.  Keep up the great work! 
     
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    Super call on the Wiz, my friend!
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    Thanx guys...
     
    Too bad the Sixers stink and blew this game...Led from wire-to-wire and then don't score a single point in the final 3+ minutes...They have no shot to win now in OT after choking away that lead...NO CHANCE...GUARANTEED loser here...Damn...
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    Thanx guys...
     
    Too bad the Sixers stink and blew this game...Led from wire-to-wire and then don't score a single point in the final 3+ minutes...They have no shot to win now in OT after choking away that lead...NO CHANCE...GUARANTEED loser here...Damn...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by brewers7:

    Thanx guys...
     
    Too bad the Sixers stink and blew this game...Led from wire-to-wire and then don't score a single point in the final 3+ minutes...They have no shot to win now in OT after choking away that lead...NO CHANCE...GUARANTEED loser here...Damn...

    ahhhh the reverse jinx is alive and well

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    Thanx guys...
     
    Too bad the Sixers stink and blew this game...Led from wire-to-wire and then don't score a single point in the final 3+ minutes...They have no shot to win now in OT after choking away that lead...NO CHANCE...GUARANTEED loser here...Damn...

    ahhhh the reverse jinx is alive and well

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 11:22 PM ET #18

    they just did that because they knew i needed the over. 
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    they just did that because they knew i needed the over. 
     
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    brewers calls the Bulls bluff
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    Had to pull out all the stops folks...Wanted the sweep...
     
    Onwards and hopefully upwards, I'll start looking at tomorrow's board with the Utah/Sac game on in the background...
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    Had to pull out all the stops folks...Wanted the sweep...
     
    Onwards and hopefully upwards, I'll start looking at tomorrow's board with the Utah/Sac game on in the background...
     
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    Random thoughts:

    Feeling cautiously optimistic here that maybe I am snapping out of this early-season funk...My Sides were 7-1 Tuesday and that was long overdue...#1 Sides losing streak snapped...#1 Totals have won 4 straight...If anyone is still following out there, I will say that one sign that I am getting hot is when my bets start to win EASILY for a spell...On Saturday, the GS/NY Over was about 40 points over the vegas total and never in doubt and on the same day, the Rockets won by 19 as 3-point chalk...The Wiz was easy on TUE...The signs are there...Hopefully I am heating up, but the next 3-to-5 days will tell for sure...Proceed with caution...

    Memp/Atl -- ATLis a chart-play for me, pure and simple...The Hawks ended a NC7 and are now reversing that on a C2 and my "chart-play" stipulates that the C (Cover) streak will continue for a few games...For those of you unfamiliar with my chart-plays, whenever a C or NC or Over or Under streak of 5 (but preferably 6) or higher ends, the streak will immediately reverse itself and go the other way...Memphis is currently on a NC6, losing 6 in a row...I love chart-plays, but I love them a whole helluva lot less when the chart-play is 9-point chalk...Both teams have 3 days rest and are 1-0 ATS and 1-0 to the Over in this spot earlier in the season...MEMP 3 straight Overs coming into this game...One last factor to consider is that Josh Smith is back for this game for ATL, so there is the automatic "fade a team with an important player returning for their first game" to consider here...Lots of stuff clashing, probably a stay-away for me...

    Port/Was -- PORT suddenly a beast on the Road now, at least, against the East...PORT is 4-0 SU and 3-1 ATS vs. the EAST on the Road, while they are just 2-6 SU & 3-5 ATS against the WEST on the Road...WAS has yet to win 2 games in a row this year and this is important because most teams most seasons have a win streak of at least 2 by the end of the 4th week of the NBA season...We are now in Week 6...

    Other teams that still do not have a win streak ar Charlotte and Oklahoma City and guess what?...They play each other tonight and both teams are coming off a win so one of them will have a win streak at the end of the night...Memphis & Minnesota also yet to have a win streak...

    Back to Port/Was, though...PORT killed the Wiz at WASH last year...But are the Blazers looking ahead to Boston on Friday?...PORT 5-0-1 to the Under their last 6...These 2 teams h2h have a recent history of Unders...Like the under here...

    LAL/Phi -- The Lakers won for the first time in Philly in the regular season last season in 8 years...Philly had won the previous 7 meetings h2h in Philly, but LAL won last year 106-101 on 12/21/07, about 6 weeks before Philly got hot and made their playoff run...Sometimes the best remedy for a real tough loss in the NBA is to have a game the following day...Sixers blew a late lead before winning in OT last night at CHI...Lakers lost to Detroit at Home earlier this season and then did NOT cover the next time out vs. the Bulls at Home (Lakers had 3 days rest)...I like the Under here, even though LAL has gone Over 5 straight...The Sixers are 4-0-3 to the Under their last 7...

    Min/Orl -- Does Orlando crash back to reality here a bit?...Visiting team has won the last 4 meetings h2h...Minny Over 4 straight and ORL Over 2 straight and these 2 teams h2h Over 6 of 7...

    NY/Cle -- Cavs already spanked the Knicks by 18 at MSG and it wasn't even that close as they led by 29 going into the 4Q...CLE is 2-0 SU & ATS when they have rest and their opponent does not this season and BOTH went Over...NY 2-1 ATS on back-enders and 2-1 to the Over...CLE Under 3 straight games although 2 of them were very close to going Over...They played a 220 at MSG...Not sure what their motivation is here after killing NY 8 days ago, but I guess they are good enough to accidently beat the Knicks by 20...5 straight have gone Over h2h here...

    OKC/Char -- CHAR started the season 12-1 to the Under on the 1H line before going 2-2 their last 4 in the 1H...Still, 13-3 to the Under in the 1H is strong...CHAR showing signs of Overs and have been an Over team for the most part when they win...I simply do not think CHAR should be favored by 8 over anybody though...I am thinking about an Over play here, though, for sure...

    Ind/Bos -- Can you say "revenge"?...Indy spanked the Celtics on 11/1 a month ago at Indy 95-79...And now a HUGE let-down spot for the Pacers after a BIG win against the Lakers last night on a last-second tip-in by Troy Murphy...But man, I HATE laying big chalk...Celtics 1-3 ATS when they have rest and their opponent does not, all at Home...Indy 2-3 ATS on the back-end of back-to-backs this season...Don't know if I can ignore the revenge spot and let-down spot all rolled into one for a great situational spot, though...I may have to play the Celts...

    Chi/Milw -- This is generally a strong spot where a team comes off a long road trip, plays one game at Home and then goes right back out and plays a Road game...You fade this team...CHI is that team this time...But I don't know if I can...A lot of things favoring MILW situationally here...CHI off an OT game last night, revenge spot for MILW after losing to CHI opening night...MILW 3 days rest here...MILW is tied for the 2nd best ATS record in the league with DEN, behind CLE...But they haven't covered 2 straight and it's kind of a quasi chart-play for me against MILW here...Another factor, I believe, is that although CHI is coming off this brutal "circus" road trip, the schedule-makers were kind enough to give them a 3-day break before Game 7 of the road trip at Philly, so the Bulls aren't as bad off as you might think for this spot...Also, as good as MILW is ATS-wise this season, they are 0-1 SU & ATS when they have rest and their opponent does not, a home loss to Toronto on NOV 1...CHI 2-2 SU & ATS on back-enders this season...

    Phoe/NO -- The Hornets have absolutely taken over this h2h series with Phoenix, winning 5 straight and covering 7 straight...This used to be an Under series h2h, but now the last 4 have gone Over...The Suns seem to be in disarray, losing 2 straight at Home vs. Eastern Conference foes that are at or below .500 and they lost both games badly...Now they have to deal with the Hornets...Are Amare Stoudamire's comments a distraction?...Suns have played 3 straight Overs...

    LAC/Hou no line -- Rockets have won and covered 5 straight h2h...Clips now 5-2 ATS after their 1-9 ATS start...

    Mia/Utah no line -- Miami has won 9 straight h2h, covering 7 straight and 8 of 9...Heat 5th and last game of their Road trip...But they are catching Utah on a back-ender, just like NJ did 4 days ago at Utah and the Nets spanked the Jazz by 17 the night after the Jazz beat SAC...And last night, the Jazz beat, hmmm, SAC again...Hmmmmm...MIA 3 straight and 6 of 7 Over...
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    Feeling cautiously optimistic here that maybe I am snapping out of this early-season funk...My Sides were 7-1 Tuesday and that was long overdue...#1 Sides losing streak snapped...#1 Totals have won 4 straight...If anyone is still following out there, I will say that one sign that I am getting hot is when my bets start to win EASILY for a spell...On Saturday, the GS/NY Over was about 40 points over the vegas total and never in doubt and on the same day, the Rockets won by 19 as 3-point chalk...The Wiz was easy on TUE...The signs are there...Hopefully I am heating up, but the next 3-to-5 days will tell for sure...Proceed with caution...

    Memp/Atl -- ATLis a chart-play for me, pure and simple...The Hawks ended a NC7 and are now reversing that on a C2 and my "chart-play" stipulates that the C (Cover) streak will continue for a few games...For those of you unfamiliar with my chart-plays, whenever a C or NC or Over or Under streak of 5 (but preferably 6) or higher ends, the streak will immediately reverse itself and go the other way...Memphis is currently on a NC6, losing 6 in a row...I love chart-plays, but I love them a whole helluva lot less when the chart-play is 9-point chalk...Both teams have 3 days rest and are 1-0 ATS and 1-0 to the Over in this spot earlier in the season...MEMP 3 straight Overs coming into this game...One last factor to consider is that Josh Smith is back for this game for ATL, so there is the automatic "fade a team with an important player returning for their first game" to consider here...Lots of stuff clashing, probably a stay-away for me...

    Port/Was -- PORT suddenly a beast on the Road now, at least, against the East...PORT is 4-0 SU and 3-1 ATS vs. the EAST on the Road, while they are just 2-6 SU & 3-5 ATS against the WEST on the Road...WAS has yet to win 2 games in a row this year and this is important because most teams most seasons have a win streak of at least 2 by the end of the 4th week of the NBA season...We are now in Week 6...

    Other teams that still do not have a win streak ar Charlotte and Oklahoma City and guess what?...They play each other tonight and both teams are coming off a win so one of them will have a win streak at the end of the night...Memphis & Minnesota also yet to have a win streak...

    Back to Port/Was, though...PORT killed the Wiz at WASH last year...But are the Blazers looking ahead to Boston on Friday?...PORT 5-0-1 to the Under their last 6...These 2 teams h2h have a recent history of Unders...Like the under here...

    LAL/Phi -- The Lakers won for the first time in Philly in the regular season last season in 8 years...Philly had won the previous 7 meetings h2h in Philly, but LAL won last year 106-101 on 12/21/07, about 6 weeks before Philly got hot and made their playoff run...Sometimes the best remedy for a real tough loss in the NBA is to have a game the following day...Sixers blew a late lead before winning in OT last night at CHI...Lakers lost to Detroit at Home earlier this season and then did NOT cover the next time out vs. the Bulls at Home (Lakers had 3 days rest)...I like the Under here, even though LAL has gone Over 5 straight...The Sixers are 4-0-3 to the Under their last 7...

    Min/Orl -- Does Orlando crash back to reality here a bit?...Visiting team has won the last 4 meetings h2h...Minny Over 4 straight and ORL Over 2 straight and these 2 teams h2h Over 6 of 7...

    NY/Cle -- Cavs already spanked the Knicks by 18 at MSG and it wasn't even that close as they led by 29 going into the 4Q...CLE is 2-0 SU & ATS when they have rest and their opponent does not this season and BOTH went Over...NY 2-1 ATS on back-enders and 2-1 to the Over...CLE Under 3 straight games although 2 of them were very close to going Over...They played a 220 at MSG...Not sure what their motivation is here after killing NY 8 days ago, but I guess they are good enough to accidently beat the Knicks by 20...5 straight have gone Over h2h here...

    OKC/Char -- CHAR started the season 12-1 to the Under on the 1H line before going 2-2 their last 4 in the 1H...Still, 13-3 to the Under in the 1H is strong...CHAR showing signs of Overs and have been an Over team for the most part when they win...I simply do not think CHAR should be favored by 8 over anybody though...I am thinking about an Over play here, though, for sure...

    Ind/Bos -- Can you say "revenge"?...Indy spanked the Celtics on 11/1 a month ago at Indy 95-79...And now a HUGE let-down spot for the Pacers after a BIG win against the Lakers last night on a last-second tip-in by Troy Murphy...But man, I HATE laying big chalk...Celtics 1-3 ATS when they have rest and their opponent does not, all at Home...Indy 2-3 ATS on the back-end of back-to-backs this season...Don't know if I can ignore the revenge spot and let-down spot all rolled into one for a great situational spot, though...I may have to play the Celts...

    Chi/Milw -- This is generally a strong spot where a team comes off a long road trip, plays one game at Home and then goes right back out and plays a Road game...You fade this team...CHI is that team this time...But I don't know if I can...A lot of things favoring MILW situationally here...CHI off an OT game last night, revenge spot for MILW after losing to CHI opening night...MILW 3 days rest here...MILW is tied for the 2nd best ATS record in the league with DEN, behind CLE...But they haven't covered 2 straight and it's kind of a quasi chart-play for me against MILW here...Another factor, I believe, is that although CHI is coming off this brutal "circus" road trip, the schedule-makers were kind enough to give them a 3-day break before Game 7 of the road trip at Philly, so the Bulls aren't as bad off as you might think for this spot...Also, as good as MILW is ATS-wise this season, they are 0-1 SU & ATS when they have rest and their opponent does not, a home loss to Toronto on NOV 1...CHI 2-2 SU & ATS on back-enders this season...

    Phoe/NO -- The Hornets have absolutely taken over this h2h series with Phoenix, winning 5 straight and covering 7 straight...This used to be an Under series h2h, but now the last 4 have gone Over...The Suns seem to be in disarray, losing 2 straight at Home vs. Eastern Conference foes that are at or below .500 and they lost both games badly...Now they have to deal with the Hornets...Are Amare Stoudamire's comments a distraction?...Suns have played 3 straight Overs...

    LAC/Hou no line -- Rockets have won and covered 5 straight h2h...Clips now 5-2 ATS after their 1-9 ATS start...

    Mia/Utah no line -- Miami has won 9 straight h2h, covering 7 straight and 8 of 9...Heat 5th and last game of their Road trip...But they are catching Utah on a back-ender, just like NJ did 4 days ago at Utah and the Nets spanked the Jazz by 17 the night after the Jazz beat SAC...And last night, the Jazz beat, hmmm, SAC again...Hmmmmm...MIA 3 straight and 6 of 7 Over...
     
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    BREWERS7 - STANDING"O"BRO !
     
    YOUR WRITE UP BLEW ME OUT OF THE WATER ! WILL LOOK FOR YOUR THREAD DAILY. B.O.L.
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    YOUR WRITE UP BLEW ME OUT OF THE WATER ! WILL LOOK FOR YOUR THREAD DAILY. B.O.L.
     
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    Thanx and GL to you sir...
     

    BET:

    Level 1 -- Boston Celtics -12.5, laying $275 to win $250 --
    I hate laying the juice, but I believe this line will go up to 14, so I want to get it now...Revenge spot for the Celts (losing big to Indy at Indy a month ago) coupled with a let-down spot for the Pacers (after their big win against the Lakers last night) and although I hate laying big chalk in the NBA, I cannot ignore this situational spot...Celts have won 9 straight and covered 6 of their last 8...They will win, it's just a matter of whether they cover the number, so I need to get the 12.5 while it lasts...This would a Level 2 play under normal circumstances, but the big chalk prevents me from going to Level 2, I'll keep this as a Level 1 play...

    Again, at Level 1, I am betting to win 2.5% of that starting bankroll...If the bankroll changes a bit as the season progresses, then the betting amount will change...

    GL...

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    Level 1 -- Boston Celtics -12.5, laying $275 to win $250 --
    I hate laying the juice, but I believe this line will go up to 14, so I want to get it now...Revenge spot for the Celts (losing big to Indy at Indy a month ago) coupled with a let-down spot for the Pacers (after their big win against the Lakers last night) and although I hate laying big chalk in the NBA, I cannot ignore this situational spot...Celts have won 9 straight and covered 6 of their last 8...They will win, it's just a matter of whether they cover the number, so I need to get the 12.5 while it lasts...This would a Level 2 play under normal circumstances, but the big chalk prevents me from going to Level 2, I'll keep this as a Level 1 play...

    Again, at Level 1, I am betting to win 2.5% of that starting bankroll...If the bankroll changes a bit as the season progresses, then the betting amount will change...

    GL...

     
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    GL Brewers already on this one let's get the cash. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercurial:

    GL Brewers already on this one let's get the cash. 

    Thank you sir and GL to you...

    And also a thank you for the well wishes last week from you, I appreciate it...I don't know who that moron was, but he probably couldn't pick a silver dollar out of a small cup full of pennies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercurial:

    GL Brewers already on this one let's get the cash. 

    Thank you sir and GL to you...

    And also a thank you for the well wishes last week from you, I appreciate it...I don't know who that moron was, but he probably couldn't pick a silver dollar out of a small cup full of pennies...

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