Glyde...while I disagree with you I cannot help but like what you sad. That is how I often feel. There might be some groundbreaking hip hop out there but it just aint for me. Do I understand why it is deemed great? Sure. Do I get why sooo many people love it? Sure. Does that me I have to love it? Certainly not. Nothing in particular, but just because I find something to be great hip hop, doesnt mean I have to like it or love it. Now I must torch you for saying it is middle of the pack
Glyde...while I disagree with you I cannot help but like what you sad. That is how I often feel. There might be some groundbreaking hip hop out there but it just aint for me. Do I understand why it is deemed great? Sure. Do I get why sooo many people love it? Sure. Does that me I have to love it? Certainly not. Nothing in particular, but just because I find something to be great hip hop, doesnt mean I have to like it or love it. Now I must torch you for saying it is middle of the pack
It's like if I was forced to make a top 25 rap album list, how can I not put Illmatic? Nas is a legend and that was his first album. It was at the forefront of a tremendous explosion of raw east coast rap artists that changed the industry. It was lyrically amazing. BUT...At the same time, if I am stuck on a desert island for life and I can only bring one Nas album, it would be It Was Written.
Exactly how I feel, SS.
It's like if I was forced to make a top 25 rap album list, how can I not put Illmatic? Nas is a legend and that was his first album. It was at the forefront of a tremendous explosion of raw east coast rap artists that changed the industry. It was lyrically amazing. BUT...At the same time, if I am stuck on a desert island for life and I can only bring one Nas album, it would be It Was Written.
"I TAKE 7 MC'S PUT THEM IN A LINE,ADD 7 MORE BROTHER'S WHO THINK THEY CAN RHYME,WELL IT WILL TAKE 7 MORE BEFORE I GO FOR MINE,NOW THAT'S 21 MC'S ATE UP AT THE SAME TIME"
RAKIM
HONORABLE MENTION
FRESH PRINCE,
WILL SMITH
He truly took the game mainstream WINNING RAPS first GRAMMY!
And without being a negative influence!
TOP TEN ALL TIME
10. ICE T
9.SNOOP
8.LL COOL J
7.ICE CUBE
6.RUN DMC
5.EMINEM
4.JZ
3.BIGGIE
2.RAKIM
**1.TUPAC**
BEST VERSE:
"I TAKE 7 MC'S PUT THEM IN A LINE,ADD 7 MORE BROTHER'S WHO THINK THEY CAN RHYME,WELL IT WILL TAKE 7 MORE BEFORE I GO FOR MINE,NOW THAT'S 21 MC'S ATE UP AT THE SAME TIME"
RAKIM
HONORABLE MENTION
FRESH PRINCE,
WILL SMITH
He truly took the game mainstream WINNING RAPS first GRAMMY!
Yeah dude, I thought it was pretty bad. I wasn't a fan of the beats, the guests, and Nas' retarded political message that overpowered several of the tracks. There were a couple standout tracks of course, but overall his weakest album(imo). And where the hell was L.E.S.? He has been peppering Nas tracks since Life's A Bitch, yet he was a no show.
My favorite Nas albums are It Was Written, I Am, and Stillmatic. Least favorite are Nastradamus, God's Son, and Untitled. Middle of the pack would be Hip Hop, Street's Discipile, and Illmatic.
Before Nas fans cream me for having Illmatic only in the "middle of the pack," let me say it is my own personal liking on the album. I certainly understand how important and groundbreaking that album was when it was released. I know how raw and real it was compared to a lot of the crap out back then. I don't know though. I just think that It Was Written equals it lyrically, sounds a lot better, and has more content(ill only 9 tracks; 8 if you add in that Halftime was released two years before the album).
I can agree with this and I was going to ask if your main problem with the album was the political stance he takes on many of the records. I thought it was just as good as Hip Hop. Outside of Nastradamus all the Nas albums in my mind are pretty good. I thought Street Disciple would have been better if it was cut down to one disc just thought there was too much filler. I also think It Was Written is just as good as Illmatic, most people overlook that follow up album.
Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:
Yeah dude, I thought it was pretty bad. I wasn't a fan of the beats, the guests, and Nas' retarded political message that overpowered several of the tracks. There were a couple standout tracks of course, but overall his weakest album(imo). And where the hell was L.E.S.? He has been peppering Nas tracks since Life's A Bitch, yet he was a no show.
My favorite Nas albums are It Was Written, I Am, and Stillmatic. Least favorite are Nastradamus, God's Son, and Untitled. Middle of the pack would be Hip Hop, Street's Discipile, and Illmatic.
Before Nas fans cream me for having Illmatic only in the "middle of the pack," let me say it is my own personal liking on the album. I certainly understand how important and groundbreaking that album was when it was released. I know how raw and real it was compared to a lot of the crap out back then. I don't know though. I just think that It Was Written equals it lyrically, sounds a lot better, and has more content(ill only 9 tracks; 8 if you add in that Halftime was released two years before the album).
I can agree with this and I was going to ask if your main problem with the album was the political stance he takes on many of the records. I thought it was just as good as Hip Hop. Outside of Nastradamus all the Nas albums in my mind are pretty good. I thought Street Disciple would have been better if it was cut down to one disc just thought there was too much filler. I also think It Was Written is just as good as Illmatic, most people overlook that follow up album.
RAS KASS "NATURE OF THE THREAT" MOST INTELLIGENT SONG EVER WRITTEN....SERIOUSLY YOU GOTTA LISTEN JUST ONCE. 5000 YEARS OF HISTORY IN A 7 MIN VERSE UNREAL HOW HE SHREDS WHITE PEOPLE THOUGH TRUE
RAS KASS "NATURE OF THE THREAT" MOST INTELLIGENT SONG EVER WRITTEN....SERIOUSLY YOU GOTTA LISTEN JUST ONCE. 5000 YEARS OF HISTORY IN A 7 MIN VERSE UNREAL HOW HE SHREDS WHITE PEOPLE THOUGH TRUE
And a pale man walks in the threshold of darkness Roughly 20,000 years ago the first humans evolved With the phenotypical trait, genetic recessive Blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans So the mutants traveled North of the equator Called Europeans later, the first race haters So here's the Devil's alpha to the beta Cause history's best qualified to teach one Quoting German philosopher Schopenhauer "Every white man is a faded or a bleached one" Migration created further mutation Genetic drifts, evolution through recombination Adaptation to the climate As the Caucus Mountain man reverted to that of a primate Savage Neanderthals, until the late Paleolithic age That's when the Black Grimaldi man came With the symbol of the dragon, fire and art Check cave paintings in France and Spain to the Venus of Willendorf Around 2000 B.C. Southern Russians migrate in small units Those who travel West populated Europe Those who went East settled in Iran, known as Aryans 1500 B.C. some crossed the Khyber Pass into India and Created Hinduism, the first caste system, the origins of racism
And a pale man walks in the threshold of darkness Roughly 20,000 years ago the first humans evolved With the phenotypical trait, genetic recessive Blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans So the mutants traveled North of the equator Called Europeans later, the first race haters So here's the Devil's alpha to the beta Cause history's best qualified to teach one Quoting German philosopher Schopenhauer "Every white man is a faded or a bleached one" Migration created further mutation Genetic drifts, evolution through recombination Adaptation to the climate As the Caucus Mountain man reverted to that of a primate Savage Neanderthals, until the late Paleolithic age That's when the Black Grimaldi man came With the symbol of the dragon, fire and art Check cave paintings in France and Spain to the Venus of Willendorf Around 2000 B.C. Southern Russians migrate in small units Those who travel West populated Europe Those who went East settled in Iran, known as Aryans 1500 B.C. some crossed the Khyber Pass into India and Created Hinduism, the first caste system, the origins of racism
he's not wack but definitely not the greatest LOL. hands down some of the illest present day
jayz the god mc
eminem living legend. you simply cannot deny him
jadakiss eternal swag
beanie sigel the most underrated
weezy f baby his rock shit is retarded but that was experimental. lyrically his swag is effortless. if you don't understand what he's saying means it's flying right over your head!
joe budden just listen to the dumb out. it will change your life
seriously? chamillionaire?
he's not wack but definitely not the greatest LOL. hands down some of the illest present day
jayz the god mc
eminem living legend. you simply cannot deny him
jadakiss eternal swag
beanie sigel the most underrated
weezy f baby his rock shit is retarded but that was experimental. lyrically his swag is effortless. if you don't understand what he's saying means it's flying right over your head!
joe budden just listen to the dumb out. it will change your life
Anyone download MM7 off his site? I tried recently, and while it did save to my hard drive, I can't access it, and I can't import the file to my itunes.
Quote Originally Posted by Iw1nBets:
this is a song i didnt like at first... but keep listen to the whole thing... fuck man he just keeps snappin toward the middle
Anyone download MM7 off his site? I tried recently, and while it did save to my hard drive, I can't access it, and I can't import the file to my itunes.
It's like if I was forced to make a top 25 rap album list, how can I not put Illmatic? Nas is a legend and that was his first album. It was at the forefront of a tremendous explosion of raw east coast rap artists that changed the industry. It was lyrically amazing. BUT...At the same time, if I am stuck on a desert island for life and I can only bring one Nas album, it would be It Was Written.
Fair enough. I am a huge fan of It was Written, its a great album from start to finish and it has that great NY-Gangster theme to it and not gangster like du-rags and baggy pants but on some Bugsey Siegel shit. It also has one of if not my fav/best concept tracks.
Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:
Exactly how I feel, SS.
It's like if I was forced to make a top 25 rap album list, how can I not put Illmatic? Nas is a legend and that was his first album. It was at the forefront of a tremendous explosion of raw east coast rap artists that changed the industry. It was lyrically amazing. BUT...At the same time, if I am stuck on a desert island for life and I can only bring one Nas album, it would be It Was Written.
Fair enough. I am a huge fan of It was Written, its a great album from start to finish and it has that great NY-Gangster theme to it and not gangster like du-rags and baggy pants but on some Bugsey Siegel shit. It also has one of if not my fav/best concept tracks.
i have been a big pac fan for over 10 years...what makes him so special is the truth behind most of his stories...sure biggies rhymes were better..but pac sacrificed his rhyming ability because his messages and stories were the most important thing to him..His songs ranged from stories of poverty, drugs, sex, anger, hate, love, peace, racism and woman.In an interview he says that some call him a hypocrit because in one song hes preaching for peace and the next song he is killing someone, but he says that its just his raw emotion.Everyday your thoughts and feelings change and he expresses how he is feeling at the time.In a documentary on Shakur it interviewed White suburban fans of Shakur and asked what they liked about him.Most replied, “I can relate to him.”How can white people born in the suburbs relate to a man who was born in the ghetto?The reason they can is the emotions in his voice and how vividly he can tell his stories.His songs make you feel his pain and his happiness...the man was a lyrical machine..his cd "7 day theory" is called that because he wrote the entire cd in 7 days...now some people who dont listen to pac like his big fans may be like "hitter your an idiot the man only preached about violence" as i sed above..his emotions were raw and constantly changing..alot of his songs talk about women and respecting them and having pride in being black and of course there were his war songs..when he was pissed he was gunna let you know it....
and as for eminem..hes like a bettor picking the square play of the day..nobody wants to pick the square play of the day..eminem is very talented when he chooses to be..nas said it best in ether "Eminem murdered you on your own shit" think about it...even if you dont listen to eminems stuff...there are a lot of great rappers that he has been featured on..and whos verse is always the best???
i have been a big pac fan for over 10 years...what makes him so special is the truth behind most of his stories...sure biggies rhymes were better..but pac sacrificed his rhyming ability because his messages and stories were the most important thing to him..His songs ranged from stories of poverty, drugs, sex, anger, hate, love, peace, racism and woman.In an interview he says that some call him a hypocrit because in one song hes preaching for peace and the next song he is killing someone, but he says that its just his raw emotion.Everyday your thoughts and feelings change and he expresses how he is feeling at the time.In a documentary on Shakur it interviewed White suburban fans of Shakur and asked what they liked about him.Most replied, “I can relate to him.”How can white people born in the suburbs relate to a man who was born in the ghetto?The reason they can is the emotions in his voice and how vividly he can tell his stories.His songs make you feel his pain and his happiness...the man was a lyrical machine..his cd "7 day theory" is called that because he wrote the entire cd in 7 days...now some people who dont listen to pac like his big fans may be like "hitter your an idiot the man only preached about violence" as i sed above..his emotions were raw and constantly changing..alot of his songs talk about women and respecting them and having pride in being black and of course there were his war songs..when he was pissed he was gunna let you know it....
and as for eminem..hes like a bettor picking the square play of the day..nobody wants to pick the square play of the day..eminem is very talented when he chooses to be..nas said it best in ether "Eminem murdered you on your own shit" think about it...even if you dont listen to eminems stuff...there are a lot of great rappers that he has been featured on..and whos verse is always the best???
Don't get me wrong I'm one of the only people that I know who listens to/appreciates how underrated Chamillionaire is (yes mixtape messiah 7 was fairly good), HOWEVER, you can't even begin to compare Chamillionaire to the top two rappers alive (Lupe Fiasco & Nas). Lupe has been known to use more complex metaphors than any other new rapper around & is also known to use QUADRUPLE entendres quite frequently in his music. Where were we though?? Oh yeah I believe you were talking about "concept skill in rap"....
Don't get me wrong I'm one of the only people that I know who listens to/appreciates how underrated Chamillionaire is (yes mixtape messiah 7 was fairly good), HOWEVER, you can't even begin to compare Chamillionaire to the top two rappers alive (Lupe Fiasco & Nas). Lupe has been known to use more complex metaphors than any other new rapper around & is also known to use QUADRUPLE entendres quite frequently in his music. Where were we though?? Oh yeah I believe you were talking about "concept skill in rap"....
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