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#51
just noticed this thread
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As the worst decade in the history of popular music draws to an end...
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#53
Quote Originally Posted by hugh613:
- The 50's witnessed the birth of rock n' roll
- The 60's had Motown, the British Invasion and the rise of music as a means to protest
- The 70's had Guitar Rock, Punk Rock and, yes, even disco
- The 80's saw the emergence of the Alternative and Hip-Hop genres
- The 90's had grunge and the rise of "indie" music
the lasting legacy of this decade will probably be the resurgence of folk music/trubadours and electro-pop
props or no props, this calls for another thread....when i have time
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#54
Quote Originally Posted by hugh613:
Let's face it: once you hit a certain age, you've pretty much heard it all before... and that's part of the problem. Elvis, The Beatles, Dylan, Led Zeppelin, The Sex Pistols - we're not likely to have these types of revelations ever again.
As for myself, I don't necessarily mind today's music, but that "Wow!" factor when you're driving in your car and hear a song on the radio for the first time just isn't there anymore.
Music where you just sit there and 'listen' because you feel as though you're experiencing something special for the very first time just hasn't happened in a long time. Honestly, I can remember the first time I heard artists like U2, The Clash, The Cure, Depeche Mode, R.E.M., The Smiths, Pixies, Metallica, Nirvana, Radiohead, Tool, Nine Inch Nails, Rage Against The Machine etc. and just thinking to myself "This is what music is all about".
It sounds corny, I know, but I just hope some kid out there turning on the radio for the very first time gets to feel that same sort of euphoria I did. I doubt it, but let's keep our fingers crossed.
Let's face it: once you hit a certain age, you've pretty much heard it all before... and that's part of the problem. Elvis, The Beatles, Dylan, Led Zeppelin, The Sex Pistols - we're not likely to have these types of revelations ever again.
As for myself, I don't necessarily mind today's music, but that "Wow!" factor when you're driving in your car and hear a song on the radio for the first time just isn't there anymore.
Music where you just sit there and 'listen' because you feel as though you're experiencing something special for the very first time just hasn't happened in a long time. Honestly, I can remember the first time I heard artists like U2, The Clash, The Cure, Depeche Mode, R.E.M., The Smiths, Pixies, Metallica, Nirvana, Radiohead, Tool, Nine Inch Nails, Rage Against The Machine etc. and just thinking to myself "This is what music is all about".
It sounds corny, I know, but I just hope some kid out there turning on the radio for the very first time gets to feel that same sort of euphoria I did. I doubt it, but let's keep our fingers crossed.
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#55
I blame the media, they tell people what is "cool" DJ plays what the retards want, the retards like it because they are told it's cool.
today's pop-rap music is ignorant, it makes us all lazy and dumber, anyone can free style rap, put an annoying repetitive background have it on MTV with person and beer and a #1 song even though the song brings nothing new or anything that's going to promote something life changing, everyone loves it, because retards like retarded music, it's why rappers are rhyming instead of playing instruments, playing an instrument would involve putting time into something and talent. you could make endless songs about drinking and bitches and it will never end, no music dept, or musicality color changes, changes in key or tempo, or really anything musical at all. Just noise sung from ignorance with a unlimited audience that has no clue what real music sounds like. All they care about is shake that ass bitch and have a shot, sung by high school drop outs, for the products of the "no child left behind act"
look at Rap from the 80, 90's original, fresh, funny, and often very good. i remember the first time i heard Guilty conscience from M and Dre, the song was good vs. evil, and told a story, it was intellectual and worth my time as a listener. Pac was the poet of the streets, i felt Rap had an identity, not all rap was the same.
Not just Rap, the media. i honestly feel that who is once popular always will be, i have heard horrible singles from stars that go number #1 because they are on magazines. I would bet every dollar i have that if Lady Gaga and Britney Spears were to record a single of them Burping the alphabet that it would go number 1, get its own Ipod commercial, and more than likely win music video of the year.
the idea of my rant is that musicality is not important in today's music, that's why it sucks
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#59
Ah, a Claudio Monteverdi fan, perhaps? Or maybe a Heinrich Schutz groupie?
Pachelbel's Canon in D was the piece that prompted the Baroque Era to jump the shark if you ask me. Telemann and Bach, who can tell the difference? It all sounds the same; it must have been the record label's and media's faults. The damn churches were commissioning the wrong cats. Oh, the horror.
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#60
My great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather once wrote in his diary, "I used to be able to sit under the shade of my favorite tree and listen to the rehearsals of the church's rendition of Heinrich Albert's chorale selections. Purest of bliss, until that dastardly Johann Rudolf Ahle slipped his hymn melodies into the churches new hymnal selections. All down hill from there my friends. My ears never heard such trash. At that moment, the Baroque Era died for me."
Translated from early German.
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#61
bands dont need the record companies to distribute and front the band anymore...just means ur not gonna get ur music for tat 1 or 2 sources nemore...but hose sources were always for kids neways....
but if you think this decade was bad, wait for the next one!!!! popular music will only continue to get worse (dont u see the trend), hell music in general as people are failing to perfect their craft, instead settle for a few catchy numbers and play the game, hoping their number hits.
but if you think this decade was bad, wait for the next one!!!! popular music will only continue to get worse (dont u see the trend), hell music in general as people are failing to perfect their craft, instead settle for a few catchy numbers and play the game, hoping their number hits.
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#63
there is still good contemporary music out there..the problem is we are
bombarded with so much crap because of the web,movies and tv (American idol is competitive karaoke, not a talent search) ...
the real problem however is the lack of skill problem most musicians have nowadays. Its more about finding a sound and style and then "cashing in", rather than the "work in progress" mentality of musicians of old (improvising and jamming was tantamount). "professionals" no longer exist in the music biz, name single songwriter, arranger, composer who has had success for longer than 5 years. Producers (who provide the beats, samples) are what most musicians covet to keep them relevant.
the real problem however is the lack of skill problem most musicians have nowadays. Its more about finding a sound and style and then "cashing in", rather than the "work in progress" mentality of musicians of old (improvising and jamming was tantamount). "professionals" no longer exist in the music biz, name single songwriter, arranger, composer who has had success for longer than 5 years. Producers (who provide the beats, samples) are what most musicians covet to keep them relevant.
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Quote Originally Posted by misfit_aka:
there is still good contemporary music out there..the problem is we are bombarded with so much crap because of the web,movies and tv (American idol is competitive karaoke, not a talent search) ...
the real problem however is the lack of skill problem most musicians have nowadays. Its more about finding a sound and style and then "cashing in", rather than the "work in progress" mentality of musicians of old (improvising and jamming was tantamount). "professionals" no longer exist in the music biz, name single songwriter, arranger, composer who has had success for longer than 5 years. Producers (who provide the beats, samples) are what most musicians covet to keep them relevant.
Some bands that fit your criteria are: Clutch(Neil Fallon and ), Radiohead(Thom Yorke), Queens of the Stone Age(Josh Homme), Pearl Jam(Eddie Vedder), Tool(Maynard Keenan); all of which began in the '90's. Solo artists, Ray Lamontagne, St. Vincent, Of Montreal(Kevin Barnes), Rufus Wainwright, Robert Del Naja and Grant Marshall(Massive Attack)... I could go on. They are out there and always have been.
there is still good contemporary music out there..the problem is we are bombarded with so much crap because of the web,movies and tv (American idol is competitive karaoke, not a talent search) ...
the real problem however is the lack of skill problem most musicians have nowadays. Its more about finding a sound and style and then "cashing in", rather than the "work in progress" mentality of musicians of old (improvising and jamming was tantamount). "professionals" no longer exist in the music biz, name single songwriter, arranger, composer who has had success for longer than 5 years. Producers (who provide the beats, samples) are what most musicians covet to keep them relevant.
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#65
Quote Originally Posted by Sugarhouse:
Some bands that fit your criteria are: Clutch(Neil Fallon and ), Radiohead(Thom Yorke), Queens of the Stone Age(Josh Homme), Pearl Jam(Eddie Vedder), Tool(Maynard Keenan); all of which began in the '90's. Solo artists, Ray Lamontagne, St. Vincent, Of Montreal(Kevin Barnes), Rufus Wainwright, Robert Del Naja and Grant Marshall(Massive Attack)... I could go on. They are out there and always have been.
Some bands that fit your criteria are: Clutch(Neil Fallon and ), Radiohead(Thom Yorke), Queens of the Stone Age(Josh Homme), Pearl Jam(Eddie Vedder), Tool(Maynard Keenan); all of which began in the '90's. Solo artists, Ray Lamontagne, St. Vincent, Of Montreal(Kevin Barnes), Rufus Wainwright, Robert Del Naja and Grant Marshall(Massive Attack)... I could go on. They are out there and always have been.
but i have all those guys and their talent is mediocre to what im thinking, ie: the musicians up until the 70's...this before everyone got so fragmented into their "styles" forgot there are more than 3 chord progressions more than a cpl scales, keys, more than 1 song structure (verse-chorus-verse)....etc.
props to droppin Rufus Wainwright, ur the only person ive ever heard mention him. im not a fan really but he does have some skills, but again he is a TRAINED musician. and that is what is missing from popular music and far as underground...always some trend setters, agitators, and originators in the fray.
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#67
Quote Originally Posted by misfit_aka:
props to droppin Rufus Wainwright, ur the only person ive ever heard mention him. im not a fan really but he does have some skills, but again he is a TRAINED musician. and that is what is missing from popular music and far as underground...always some trend setters, agitators, and originators in the fray.
Knew him when I was growing up (oh the fun you can have when someone's name rhymes with 'doofus'). He has quite the musical pedigree (parents are folk singers Kate McGarrigle and Loudon Wainwright, and his infinitely more talented sister is singer Martha Wainwright).props to droppin Rufus Wainwright, ur the only person ive ever heard mention him. im not a fan really but he does have some skills, but again he is a TRAINED musician. and that is what is missing from popular music and far as underground...always some trend setters, agitators, and originators in the fray.
Anyways, here's the only song of his I could ever stomach (see if you can recognize the waitress in the diner).
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#69
This is what you asked for: rather than the "work in progress" mentality of musicians of old (improvising and jamming was tantamount). "professionals" no longer exist in the music biz, name single songwriter, arranger, composer who has had success for longer than 5 years. Producers (who provide the beats, samples) are what most musicians covet to keep them relevant.
Every example I gave fit your criteria. Furthermore, all of them are arrangers, producers and composers who have kept themselves relevant. I've witnessed each and every one of them "jam." How many Tool knock-off bands have been popping up and out since they hit the scene? Radiohead-alikes? Clutch may not be played on the radio as much as others, but I guarantee many a band has stolen their sound. QOTSA's Josh Homme and KYUSS, extremely influential in the music world.
Again, these are just "examples" of what is out there. The 70's had a sound and many bands copied that sound and to some, many of these bands sound alike and couldn't tell the difference between them.
You seem to be talking about music you hear on the top 40 radio stations and Nickleodeon. Don't listen to that crap if you don't like it. And stop complaining when there is a plethora of great shit available to someone who sounds like they enjoy good music. 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sugarhouse:
This is what you asked for: rather than the "work in progress" mentality of musicians of old (improvising and jamming was tantamount). "professionals" no longer exist in the music biz, name single songwriter, arranger, composer who has had success for longer than 5 years. Producers (who provide the beats, samples) are what most musicians covet to keep them relevant.
This is what you asked for: rather than the "work in progress" mentality of musicians of old (improvising and jamming was tantamount). "professionals" no longer exist in the music biz, name single songwriter, arranger, composer who has had success for longer than 5 years. Producers (who provide the beats, samples) are what most musicians covet to keep them relevant.
Every example I gave fit your criteria. Furthermore, all of them are arrangers, producers and composers who have kept themselves relevant. I've witnessed each and every one of them "jam." How many Tool knock-off bands have been popping up and out since they hit the scene? Radiohead-alikes? Clutch may not be played on the radio as much as others, but I guarantee many a band has stolen their sound. QOTSA's Josh Homme and KYUSS, extremely influential in the music world.
Again, these are just "examples" of what is out there. The 70's had a sound and many bands copied that sound and to some, many of these bands sound alike and couldn't tell the difference between them.
You seem to be talking about music you hear on the top 40 radio stations and Nickleodeon. Don't listen to that crap if you don't like it. And stop complaining when there is a plethora of great shit available to someone who sounds like they enjoy good music.
50 YRS FROM NOW you wont see ppl seriously studying and analyzing their music as with the case with miles davis, fats waller, Coltrane and even classical fucks...popular music musician's have become so musically illiterate they have ensured themselves only as a passing fad.
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Quote Originally Posted by misfit_aka:
50 YRS FROM NOW you wont see ppl seriously studying and analyzing their music as with the case with miles davis, fats waller, Coltrane and even classical fucks...popular music musician's have become so musically illiterate they have ensured themselves only as a passing fad.
I understand what you're getting at but, think about this: today's music has some very interestingly intricate arrangements and sounds which have never been heard before. This newness has somehow already become old shoe and tedious to some. How? It's the nature of new music. Even in the Classical Period when a fresh new way of writing came about, at first it was shunned and thought of as too much against the grain. Then, everybody started to do it. Some how it kept changing and morphed into a new "popular" style. Each era has this. The format of verse-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus can even be attributed all the way back to A-B-A-C-B type forms of Classical music and before. Hell, much of the Classical music we hear today is nothing but formulaic chord structures governed by musical "rules" composers were supposed to adhere to. Over time, some composers stretched these rules to the limits until a new foundation was formed and a different set of rules were administered. A constant evolution. This is what music has and always will be.50 YRS FROM NOW you wont see ppl seriously studying and analyzing their music as with the case with miles davis, fats waller, Coltrane and even classical fucks...popular music musician's have become so musically illiterate they have ensured themselves only as a passing fad.
So, yes, 50 years from now, today's music will be analyzed and studied. Will it be revered or laughed at is anybody's guess. But just like any era of musical creativity, there's always the good with the bad. And even that is subjective.
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