Why the Yankees ruined this sport

This league need a salary cap, anything less is bullshit

When small market teams have no chance before the season even starts something is very wrong with baseball. I know that the Yankees play within the rules but small market teams have no chance to even compete financially.  To make matters worse this year I will have to listen about Derek Jeter and his contract talks. This game is broken. Will Derek consider going to any other team. HELL NO, he is just another greedy bastard who can't even spend what he has earned already,but he'll want more.

How long to NFL training camps ?

I couldn't disagree more.

The top 5 highest payrolls in 2009 were

Yankees

Mets

Something screwed up.


Cubs

Red Sox

Tigers


We know how the Cubs, Mets, and Tigers made out.

They missed the playoffs. Spending money guarantees nothing.

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Is NFL taking away it's salary cap for next season?

 

Complain as much as you like. If you do not like the way baseball runs their league...then don't watch. They won't miss you one bit.

Not trying to be rude...but it's how it works.

This statement is 100% incorrect.

They are not taking away the salary cap for next season. THE CBA IS EXPIRING. Causing teh next season to be uncapped. It will be the only season taht is uncapped.

After next season there will be a cap in place for the following season. Might be a different cap and different guidelines than the current cap but they are NOT having no cap like you are believing and have been constantly repeating for months.

And I meant ...not the sleeping one.

Would you prefer that money to go to the owners pockets instead? If the money keeps rolling into baseball, I'd prefer to see it go the players.

and surely the results of the past decade prove a salary cap doesn't do much. if anything, the playoff teams have been even more varied than the NFL or NBA over the past decade. The AL East is the only division with real parity problems.

Since the cancellation of the WS this will be the 15th WS. On one side for the argument for parity is that 7 of the 14 American teams have made it to the WS. However looking deeper into the stats you see this: American East: Yankees 6 (7 now) Red Soxs: 2 Rays: 1 Central: Indians: 2 Tigers: 1 White Soxs: 1 West: Angels: 1 After looking at these stats it is very alarming that there is no parity in the American league. The West only has one representation in 15 years!!! The Central has only 4. The Yankees themselves have more combined appearances than all the AL Central and West teams combined. To me this is a problem, but maybe not to others.

Oh, but it gets worse:

Let's look at ALCS appearances vs World Series Appearances (ie, how many ALCS wins does a team have?) from 1995 to 2009 :

East
Yankees 9/7
Boston 5/2
Baltimore 2/0
Tampa 1/1
Toronto 0/0

Central
Cleveland 4/2
Minn. 1/0
Chicago 1/1
Detroit 1/1
KC 0/0

West
Angels 3/1
Seattle 3/0
Okland 1/0
Rangers 0/0

So, over the last 15 World Series, the American League has been represented by the Yankees in seven. Boston and Cleveland account for half of the remaining eight (and Cleveland last went 12 years ago!). Tampa, Chicago, Detroit and Anaheim each have one WS appearance since 1995.
Yeah, that's parity baby...a parody of parity.

Here's another stat that will keep you up at night. The Yankees or the Red $ox have been in the playoffs every year since 1995 (14 trips to the ALDS for the Yankee$, nine for the Red $ox). The Yankees and the Red $ox have both been in the playoffs eight of the last 15 years.
The wild card has come out of the West three times and the Central one time in the last 15 years.

Why go back 15 years? So you blame the salary cap for Jeter, Bernie, Posada, Pettitte and Mariano in the 90s when they were still under team control? That seems fair.

The decade is more realistic. When the Yanks won 2 World Series' out of 10 with extremely high payrolls. Not the 3 before hand when their payrolls were reasonable.

But anything to make your stats look better I guess.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, LRM704 is one of the worst posters on this site

JPERO I hear your point and to an extent I agree with you,however to keep harping on the same point is not going to change anything and cetainly not peoples opinions on this site. I believe there needs to be something done also but I really think that the owners worst enemies are themselves as they are just as greedy as the players.

I hate salary caps.  If you have a team with great fans and in a big market, then that team should have a better roster than a team in a small market with lousy fans.  And with the wildcard, any decently run team has a great chance to make the playoffs at least once every 5 years.

Wow. Another Yankee hater. I'm shocked............

You really have no baseball knowledge.

15 years ago was the first season after the strike..... The 1st season with the CBA that has started baseball on the downward spiral it has reached today.

You choosing to only want to use the past decade is your pure Yankee bias coming to fruition.

This has nothing to do with greedy players and owners.

Baseball, especially in the AL, is not about building a team from the farm system and keeping the team together to compete.

There is a clear, distinct correlation to being a top spender and making the playoffs.  Once a team is in the playoffs anything can happen in a 5 game series or 7 game series.

This is the downfall of baseball as the large markets have a built in advantage, some larger than others, and the money they bring in is what allows them to be successful instead of having good managment and team decisions for building.

Salary cap is not hte issue. ITs all revenue sharing. Until revenue sharing is change to involve all types of media and sharing of those media streams equally baseball will continue to follow the current trend of absolutely no parity.

The system is broken but baseball is so much different than football in terms of TV revenue streams.  The NFL has contracts with 3 networks that show all of their games and the 32 teams share that revenue equally.  In baseball, the major networks show maybe 1% of all games with the team's regional networks showing the rest.  The YES network and all its inherent advantages is not comparable to the small local KC "network".

I don't think we'll ever see true revenue sharing in baseball.  But baseball has an answer already in place if they would just use it properly.  The luxury tax gives money from the rich teams to the poor teams.  However, baseball doesn't force the poor teams to use that extra money to increase their salaries.  How many consecutive years have the Pirates received luxury tax money?  Has their payroll ever increased?  Nope.  Force the luxury tax receivers to put their money into salaries or they don't get any extra money.  Whatever they don't use goes to the next poorest team and so on.

Realistically, the Yankees need most if not all of these other teams to be financially healthly.  If teams start folding, it wouldn't be long before mlb is down to an 8 team league.  That would set the mlb back 100 years.  I could see 2 or 4 teams folding and the league still being viable.  But not if 20 teams fold.

The Yankees made $380 million in profit from ticket sales and over $200 million from YES. Steinbrenner also owns all the concessions in his stadium (him and Jerry Jones started a company that supplies both their stadiums with concessions) so there is more profit there.... Them paying $75 million in luxury tax is a drop in the bucket to them.

The Pirates receiving $25 million does absolutely nothing to help them get better and compete. The Pirates received $25 million yet only profited $21.9 million last year. So despite receiving millions they profitted less than they received. So this clearly shows they spend the money they receive in other areas: scouting, player development, draft signees, other expenses associated with operating a baseball organization that does not involve the ML roster. The ML roster is a small part of running a franchise. THere are millions other dollars that are spent within the franchise that people do no see being spent because they are only focused on the ML roster.

In other discussions... I have continually asked the question of who do you want these smaller-mid market teams to sign... What players do they ahve a realistic shot at signing... Then tell me where these players you wanted the non large market teams to sign... where they they ended up signing and for how much?

When CC was a FA the Brewers and Giants wanted to sign him. CC said he wanted to go to the west coast to play closer to home. Then he was close to resigning with the Brewers until a team called the Yankees offered $50+ million more... This is something the Brewers and Giants could not even fathom doing because it woudl handcuff them and prevent them from making any future signings. They would have had to mortgage their franchise on one player who pitches once every 5 games.

The teams being blasted by people saying they should spend their money is being ignorant to complete picture of running a franchise and planning for the future. You dont set a franchise back 10-15 years just to sign one marquee name to silence the crowd that says small-mid market teams just pocket money.

I agree it's not perfect, but it's better than the what's happening currently.  Pure revenue sharing just isn't feasible in baseball.  Do you realize what you'd be asking the Yankees to do?  Do the math.

Selig estimated that in 2009 total mlb revenue was $6.5 Billion.  Divide that over the 30 teams and you have just under $217 Million a team.  The Yankees in 2009 had an estimated $600 Million in total revenue.  To have equal revenue sharing in baseball, you'd be asking the Yankees to give up $383 Million or 64% of their total revenue to the other teams. 

Increase the luxury tax a little and force teams to use it to pay for salaries.  Show me a more feasible solution because asking the Yankees to give up 64% of their total revenue isn't a feasible solution.

here's another way of looking at this . . . success of baseball in new york just so happens to coincide with success of baseball on a national level.  all baseball teams/players benefit with new york teams are good.  can you say the same thing about the nba (insert knicks joke here) or the nfl ?  how was the game of baseball doing in the 1910's ?  the 40's are difficult to gage because of the war and depression, but certainly baseball grew leaps and bounds in the 1950's,  and ditto for the time period since 1996.  tremendous growth.  the pirates suck because they consistently make poor decisions, funny, the twins don't have the same problem on their win-loss ledge board.  the angels benefitted from better ownership, not market size. 

Revenue sharing is only part of what I would like to see done.

Move a 3rd team into the NYC market... That would reduce the NYY revenue.

Why should the Yankees keep 100% of all profits from YES when they would not have a game to make money on if not of the opposing team? Why should the opposing team get nothing from being a part of a tv contract that pays the Yankees north of $200 million (thats a very reasonable estimate as YES profits are not released to public).

How much money are the Giants and Jets losing out on cause of revenue sharing, equally? NFL is the largest money maker in the sports. You think those 2 franchises aren't losing on on hundreds of millions of dollars if football had the same revenue sharing rules.

Baseball was a lot more popular in the in the 70s, 80s, and 90s than it is now. Baseball does not need the  Yankees to be successful to make money. They need more parity where every team has a chance every year. That would at a minimum double the fanbase of baseball. They are missing out on rural America. They are missing out and alienating the small-mid market teams that built baseball and was the foundation of baseball. They are turning their backs on the areas adn teams that made baseball waht it is today.

The AL Central is one of the weakest divisions in baseball. The reason for this is because of unbalanced scheduling which helps the central division since it protects them from competing and playing the larger market, better teams on the east and west coasts.

Get rid of unbalanced scheduling.

Have all international FA have to enter the draft like high school and college players.

Change revenue sharing to create a more equal playing field.

Move a franchise to the tri-state area. Brooklyn, New Haven, Northern-Central Jersey.

Create some sort of slotting system for the draft so teams are able to take the best player available instead of drafting because of monetary constraints.

Create a max contract type of rule to prevent Boras from manipulating the markets and inflating values of his clients which causes a ripple effect and causes inflated contracts for lesser talents.