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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 6:51 PM ET #276

    Trout’s 7-year production (2019–2026 window)

    Raw slash line (aggregate):

    • .268 / .386 / .560 / .945 OPS
    • 165 HR in 588 games (~45 HR / 162 pace)

    Even with injuries, that OPS is still elite-tier.

     

    Core advanced metrics

    ?? wRC+ (park + era adjusted offense)

    • 2019: 176
    • 2020: 160
    • 2021: 189
    • 2022: 176
    • 2023: 135
    • 2024: ~139 (small sample)
    • 2025: ~118 (decline year)

    ?? 7-year takeaway:

    • Peak: ~175–190 (best hitter on earth range)
    • Recent: trending toward ~120–140 (still All-Star level)

    Context:

    • League average = 100
    • MVP-level = 150+
    • Inner-circle peak Trout = ~180

     

    OPS / OBP dominance

      • OBP ~.386 over this span
      • Historically elite plate discipline still shows up even as batting avg dipped

     

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    Trout’s 7-year production (2019–2026 window)

    Raw slash line (aggregate):

    • .268 / .386 / .560 / .945 OPS
    • 165 HR in 588 games (~45 HR / 162 pace)

    Even with injuries, that OPS is still elite-tier.

     

    Core advanced metrics

    ?? wRC+ (park + era adjusted offense)

    • 2019: 176
    • 2020: 160
    • 2021: 189
    • 2022: 176
    • 2023: 135
    • 2024: ~139 (small sample)
    • 2025: ~118 (decline year)

    ?? 7-year takeaway:

    • Peak: ~175–190 (best hitter on earth range)
    • Recent: trending toward ~120–140 (still All-Star level)

    Context:

    • League average = 100
    • MVP-level = 150+
    • Inner-circle peak Trout = ~180

     

    OPS / OBP dominance

      • OBP ~.386 over this span
      • Historically elite plate discipline still shows up even as batting avg dipped

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 6:51 PM ET #277

     Statcast quality (contact dominance)

    Recent snapshot:

    • Avg EV: ~92–93 mph
    • Barrel rate: ~25% (!!)
    • xwOBA: near .490 at peak samples

    Translation:
    Even when results dip, underlying contact quality still ranks near the very top of MLB

     

    WAR (value)

    • Injuries heavily suppress totals post-2020
    • Rough pattern:
      • 2019: MVP-caliber (~8 WAR pace)
      • 2020–2025: mostly 2–6 WAR pace seasons prorated, but fewer games

    ?? Key insight:

      • Per-game value remains elite
      • Total value no longer leads MLB due to missed time

     

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     Statcast quality (contact dominance)

    Recent snapshot:

    • Avg EV: ~92–93 mph
    • Barrel rate: ~25% (!!)
    • xwOBA: near .490 at peak samples

    Translation:
    Even when results dip, underlying contact quality still ranks near the very top of MLB

     

    WAR (value)

    • Injuries heavily suppress totals post-2020
    • Rough pattern:
      • 2019: MVP-caliber (~8 WAR pace)
      • 2020–2025: mostly 2–6 WAR pace seasons prorated, but fewer games

    ?? Key insight:

      • Per-game value remains elite
      • Total value no longer leads MLB due to missed time

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 6:51 PM ET #278

     How Trout compares to MLB peers (2019–2026)

    ?? Peak performance (rate stats)

    Trout vs elite hitters:

    • Aaron Judge
    • Juan Soto
    • Mookie Betts
    • Freddie Freeman

     

    wRC+ comparison (approx range over this window):

    • Judge: ~160–210 peak seasons
    • Soto: ~150–180 consistently
    • Betts: ~140–170
    • Freeman: ~140–160
    • Trout: ~170 peak ? ~130 recent

    ?? Conclusion:

    • 2019–2022 Trout = best hitter in baseball (still)
    • 2023–2026 Trout = no longer #1, but still top-tier when healthy

     

    Durability gap (biggest difference)

    Where Trout loses ground:

    • Judge, Freeman, Betts ? full seasons
    • Trout ? ~50–120 games most years

    ?? Over 7 years:

      • Others lead in total WAR
      • Trout still near top in WAR per plate appearance

     

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     How Trout compares to MLB peers (2019–2026)

    ?? Peak performance (rate stats)

    Trout vs elite hitters:

    • Aaron Judge
    • Juan Soto
    • Mookie Betts
    • Freddie Freeman

     

    wRC+ comparison (approx range over this window):

    • Judge: ~160–210 peak seasons
    • Soto: ~150–180 consistently
    • Betts: ~140–170
    • Freeman: ~140–160
    • Trout: ~170 peak ? ~130 recent

    ?? Conclusion:

    • 2019–2022 Trout = best hitter in baseball (still)
    • 2023–2026 Trout = no longer #1, but still top-tier when healthy

     

    Durability gap (biggest difference)

    Where Trout loses ground:

    • Judge, Freeman, Betts ? full seasons
    • Trout ? ~50–120 games most years

    ?? Over 7 years:

      • Others lead in total WAR
      • Trout still near top in WAR per plate appearance

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 6:51 PM ET #279

    @bigred84

    100% agree!

    A more annoying mfkr I cannot recall on this site. Dude needs to get a life…

    paint_help

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    @bigred84

    100% agree!

    A more annoying mfkr I cannot recall on this site. Dude needs to get a life…

    paint_help

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 6:52 PM ET #280

     Skill breakdown vs league

    Elite / still top of MLB

    • Plate discipline (walk rate)
    • Power per swing
    • Barrel rate / hard contact
    • Run creation (wRC+)

    Declining slightly

    • Batting average consistency
    • Speed (SB impact)
    • Availability (biggest factor)

     

    Trend summary (this is the key insight)

    Phase 1 (2019–2021)

    • Best hitter alive
    • 170–190 wRC+
    • MVP-level dominance

    Phase 2 (2022–2023)

    • Still elite, but injuries start cutting volume
    • Production still top 5–10

    Phase 3 (2024–2026)

      • Decline phase:
        • wRC+ closer to 120–140
        • Still dangerous, but no longer “automatic best player”

     

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     Skill breakdown vs league

    Elite / still top of MLB

    • Plate discipline (walk rate)
    • Power per swing
    • Barrel rate / hard contact
    • Run creation (wRC+)

    Declining slightly

    • Batting average consistency
    • Speed (SB impact)
    • Availability (biggest factor)

     

    Trend summary (this is the key insight)

    Phase 1 (2019–2021)

    • Best hitter alive
    • 170–190 wRC+
    • MVP-level dominance

    Phase 2 (2022–2023)

    • Still elite, but injuries start cutting volume
    • Production still top 5–10

    Phase 3 (2024–2026)

      • Decline phase:
        • wRC+ closer to 120–140
        • Still dangerous, but no longer “automatic best player”

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 6:52 PM ET #281

     Final verdict

    If you compare advanced metrics over the last 7 years:

    • Rate stats (per PA):
      ? Trout is STILL one of the best hitters in baseball
    • Cumulative value:
      ? He falls behind peers due to injuries
    • Peak level within the window:
      ? Only a few players (Judge mainly) match or exceed his highs

     

     

    Bottom line:

      • Trout’s 7-year span is a tale of two players
        • Early: GOAT-level dominance
        • Recent: still elite, but no longer the clear #1

     

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     Final verdict

    If you compare advanced metrics over the last 7 years:

    • Rate stats (per PA):
      ? Trout is STILL one of the best hitters in baseball
    • Cumulative value:
      ? He falls behind peers due to injuries
    • Peak level within the window:
      ? Only a few players (Judge mainly) match or exceed his highs

     

     

    Bottom line:

      • Trout’s 7-year span is a tale of two players
        • Early: GOAT-level dominance
        • Recent: still elite, but no longer the clear #1

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 6:57 PM ET #282

    I do not think you have to be a Trout fan to appreciate what an alltime talent he has been.  

    You simply have to be a baseball fan.  

    Even today, when he is healthy, you can still see what a generational talent he was.

    It does not have to be your favorite team that he plays for and he dos not have to be your favorite player — in order to see and appreciate his skill.

    peace_5

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    I do not think you have to be a Trout fan to appreciate what an alltime talent he has been.  

    You simply have to be a baseball fan.  

    Even today, when he is healthy, you can still see what a generational talent he was.

    It does not have to be your favorite team that he plays for and he dos not have to be your favorite player — in order to see and appreciate his skill.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 10:22 PM ET #283

    @Raiders22

     Dude, that's a a long write-up for someone who can't hit .240. the game just started, and the great Mike Trout has already won me my wager by striking out. What's his average now? 220? But hey, I digress.

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    @Raiders22

     Dude, that's a a long write-up for someone who can't hit .240. the game just started, and the great Mike Trout has already won me my wager by striking out. What's his average now? 220? But hey, I digress.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 10:25 PM ET #284

    2025 when he was fully healthy. 130 games, .232 avg. 64 RBI's, 106 hits, 178 k's. Wow, I didn't realize that was an elite player stats? Look at the stats this year. Look at his stats 2024, look at his stats 2023. He was fully healthy then. And he's fully healthy now.

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    2025 when he was fully healthy. 130 games, .232 avg. 64 RBI's, 106 hits, 178 k's. Wow, I didn't realize that was an elite player stats? Look at the stats this year. Look at his stats 2024, look at his stats 2023. He was fully healthy then. And he's fully healthy now.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 10:26 PM ET #285

    @Raiders22

     It's funny if someone is 27 years old right now, and they started following baseball when they were 19. They have no idea who Mike Trout is?

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    @Raiders22

     It's funny if someone is 27 years old right now, and they started following baseball when they were 19. They have no idea who Mike Trout is?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 10:29 PM ET #286

    Only 3 times over 100 RBIs. You call that great? Why don't you give me numbers and not metrics? Will he reach 3K hits? Not even close. Will he reach 1500 RBIs? Not even close. Will he reach 2500 hits? Not even close, will he reach 2100 hits? Maybe. Will he reach 2100 k's? Yes. When his career ends will his career average be above 290.? I doubt it.

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    Only 3 times over 100 RBIs. You call that great? Why don't you give me numbers and not metrics? Will he reach 3K hits? Not even close. Will he reach 1500 RBIs? Not even close. Will he reach 2500 hits? Not even close, will he reach 2100 hits? Maybe. Will he reach 2100 k's? Yes. When his career ends will his career average be above 290.? I doubt it.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 10:31 PM ET #287

    Barrel rate? What the hell is that? I didn't know Hall of Fame voters cared about barrel rate? 

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    Barrel rate? What the hell is that? I didn't know Hall of Fame voters cared about barrel rate? 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 10:33 PM ET #288

    Everyone just remember at the end of the year when his stats suck again. HE IS FULLY HEALTHY AGAIN JUST LIKE HE WAS LAST YEAR. I DON'T WANT ANY EXCUSES FOR HIS NUMBERS. But I know, I know, it's the barrel rate? LOL

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    Everyone just remember at the end of the year when his stats suck again. HE IS FULLY HEALTHY AGAIN JUST LIKE HE WAS LAST YEAR. I DON'T WANT ANY EXCUSES FOR HIS NUMBERS. But I know, I know, it's the barrel rate? LOL

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 10:41 PM ET #289

    15 years, 0 championships, division titles, playoff wins, batting titles, home run titles, gold gloves, 200 hit seasons, only 3 times over 100 RBI's, 8 years in a row more strikeouts than hits, ( Manny Machado has never done this, neither did Frank Thomas), career batting average has dropped 10 points, and it's still dropping. Those are real numbers! Not metric numbers. Barrel rate? Power per swing? Batting average consistency? Now that's true, because it drops every year. But once again. That's a lot of time spent on someone who can't hit .240.

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    15 years, 0 championships, division titles, playoff wins, batting titles, home run titles, gold gloves, 200 hit seasons, only 3 times over 100 RBI's, 8 years in a row more strikeouts than hits, ( Manny Machado has never done this, neither did Frank Thomas), career batting average has dropped 10 points, and it's still dropping. Those are real numbers! Not metric numbers. Barrel rate? Power per swing? Batting average consistency? Now that's true, because it drops every year. But once again. That's a lot of time spent on someone who can't hit .240.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 10:54 PM ET #290

    Who's a better hitter? Frank Thomas or Mike Trout? Miguel Cabrera or Mike Trout?

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    Who's a better hitter? Frank Thomas or Mike Trout? Miguel Cabrera or Mike Trout?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 11:19 PM ET #291

    3174 hits, 1881 RBI's .306 avg. The great Mike Trout won't come near to these numbers. Not even close.

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    3174 hits, 1881 RBI's .306 avg. The great Mike Trout won't come near to these numbers. Not even close.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 11:22 PM ET #292

    The dude just struck out again! But I know, I know. The BARREL RATE was there. The, "POWER SWING" was there.

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    The dude just struck out again! But I know, I know. The BARREL RATE was there. The, "POWER SWING" was there.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 11:25 PM ET #293

    Really, Mike Trout is a top-tier hitter in baseball? Really? Is he? Is he REALLY? Last 6 seasons, a 260 average. This is one of the top hitters in baseball? 400 hits, 545 strikeouts, 266 RBI's is a top hitter in baseball in the last 6 seasons? Really? Someone who is fully healthy who has 106 hits, 178 strikeouts, 64 rbis, 232 average. Really guys? That's a top tier hitter in baseball? You guys are pathetic. But hey, I won my wager tonight. The great Little Mikey trout keeps winning me money when he strikes out

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    Really, Mike Trout is a top-tier hitter in baseball? Really? Is he? Is he REALLY? Last 6 seasons, a 260 average. This is one of the top hitters in baseball? 400 hits, 545 strikeouts, 266 RBI's is a top hitter in baseball in the last 6 seasons? Really? Someone who is fully healthy who has 106 hits, 178 strikeouts, 64 rbis, 232 average. Really guys? That's a top tier hitter in baseball? You guys are pathetic. But hey, I won my wager tonight. The great Little Mikey trout keeps winning me money when he strikes out

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 11:30 PM ET #294

    I didn't realize the top tier hitter in baseball last year had an average of .232, 64 RBIs, 106 hits, 178 strikeouts. And he was fully healthy. I didn't realize that was considered a top-tier hitter in baseball. Does anyone know who stats these belong to last year? Because whoever it was? You guys think that's a top-tier hitter in baseball. And this year he's on pace to do it again. The exact same numbers

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    I didn't realize the top tier hitter in baseball last year had an average of .232, 64 RBIs, 106 hits, 178 strikeouts. And he was fully healthy. I didn't realize that was considered a top-tier hitter in baseball. Does anyone know who stats these belong to last year? Because whoever it was? You guys think that's a top-tier hitter in baseball. And this year he's on pace to do it again. The exact same numbers

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2026 - 11:32 PM ET #295

    but I know, I know, I digress. The "power swing" and "barrel rate" was there. I know, I hear ya. But for the record, Little Mikey won my wager again tonight, I'm still making money

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    but I know, I know, I digress. The "power swing" and "barrel rate" was there. I know, I hear ya. But for the record, Little Mikey won my wager again tonight, I'm still making money

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2026 - 12:05 AM ET #296

    And there it was!!! The ole hat trick. Trout just struck out, AGAIN. 3rd time tonight. But I know his barrel rate and power swing was there. I give up guys. You can have Mike Trout on your team. He's a worthless baseball player. He doesn't care about baseball. He is content being in last place. He actually sucks. But I know, I know. He's the goat.

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    And there it was!!! The ole hat trick. Trout just struck out, AGAIN. 3rd time tonight. But I know his barrel rate and power swing was there. I give up guys. You can have Mike Trout on your team. He's a worthless baseball player. He doesn't care about baseball. He is content being in last place. He actually sucks. But I know, I know. He's the goat.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2026 - 12:07 AM ET #297

    I think he is 2- 12, 1 run, 0 home runs, RBIs. Since the Yankees series where obviously the ball was flying out of the park with 22 home runs in the series. But I know, I know, trout hit 20 of those home runs according to his fans and the media. I give up guys, trout sucks, and his stats continue to prove it.

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    I think he is 2- 12, 1 run, 0 home runs, RBIs. Since the Yankees series where obviously the ball was flying out of the park with 22 home runs in the series. But I know, I know, trout hit 20 of those home runs according to his fans and the media. I give up guys, trout sucks, and his stats continue to prove it.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2026 - 11:03 AM ET #298

    The great Mike Flounder has played 1671 games. By comparison to Miguel Cabrera in his first 1671 games. Trout, 293 average, ( and dropping fast)., Cabrera, .320, trout, 1773 hits, Cabrera 2006 hits, trout 1034 RBIs, Cabrera 1270, trout 1685 k's Cabrera 1270. Oh, and Miggy won something called "the triple crown". Mike Trout has come nowhere near winning a triple crown. Not even close to winning a triple crown. But hey, trouts "barrel rate" and "power per swing" is there. 

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    The great Mike Flounder has played 1671 games. By comparison to Miguel Cabrera in his first 1671 games. Trout, 293 average, ( and dropping fast)., Cabrera, .320, trout, 1773 hits, Cabrera 2006 hits, trout 1034 RBIs, Cabrera 1270, trout 1685 k's Cabrera 1270. Oh, and Miggy won something called "the triple crown". Mike Trout has come nowhere near winning a triple crown. Not even close to winning a triple crown. But hey, trouts "barrel rate" and "power per swing" is there. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2026 - 11:12 AM ET #299

    This is the stats of a "certain"player in his last 6 seasons. And I didn't realize these stats and accomplishments were an elite player. But I guess it is. .268 avg. 430 hits, 545 k's, 266 RBI's, 0 MVP'S, championships, division titles, playoff wins, playoff appearances, batting titles, home run titles, 200 hit season, Gold gloves. Like I said, I didn't know these stats meant you were an elite player. I don't understand why teams don't offer a trade for this player??? Why don't the dodgers, yankees, Phillies, Cubs, TX, Mets go after him???

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    This is the stats of a "certain"player in his last 6 seasons. And I didn't realize these stats and accomplishments were an elite player. But I guess it is. .268 avg. 430 hits, 545 k's, 266 RBI's, 0 MVP'S, championships, division titles, playoff wins, playoff appearances, batting titles, home run titles, 200 hit season, Gold gloves. Like I said, I didn't know these stats meant you were an elite player. I don't understand why teams don't offer a trade for this player??? Why don't the dodgers, yankees, Phillies, Cubs, TX, Mets go after him???

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2026 - 11:50 AM ET #300

    And how come not one Mike Trout fan will tell me why he can't win a gold glove? His fans say he's great. His fans call him the goat. The media calls him the goat. How come he can't win a gold glove? If you're the goat in your sport, that means you dominate your sport. Tom brady, MJ, Gretzky, messi, Federer, woods, Michael Phelps, Serena Williams. Why can't the dude win a gold glove? Griffey Jr did, bonds did, mays, mantle did. How come the goat of baseball can't? LOL

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    And how come not one Mike Trout fan will tell me why he can't win a gold glove? His fans say he's great. His fans call him the goat. The media calls him the goat. How come he can't win a gold glove? If you're the goat in your sport, that means you dominate your sport. Tom brady, MJ, Gretzky, messi, Federer, woods, Michael Phelps, Serena Williams. Why can't the dude win a gold glove? Griffey Jr did, bonds did, mays, mantle did. How come the goat of baseball can't? LOL

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